Ophiuchus
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What I don't understand is if they're telling him to fucking stop, why does he keep walking to the car, disregarding them?
In so many of these situations, the one having the gun pointed at is fucking with those holding the gun. Why the fuck do people do such stupid shit when there's a gun pointed at them?
No, it's not right that they're getting shot, but jfc, you'd think you would completely cooperate when a fucking gun is pointed at you, because, hello? Gun is bad.
In so many of these situations, the one having the gun pointed at is fucking with those holding the gun. Why the fuck do people do such stupid shit when there's a gun pointed at them?
No, it's not right that they're getting shot, but jfc, you'd think you would completely cooperate when a fucking gun is pointed at you, because, hello? Gun is bad.
Posted by GetMistedOnce again my thread went completely over your head.
What crime was he suspected of committing?
Posted by GetMistedWhy do you think they both reacted when he went up to the driver side? Do you think she will be exonerated?Posted by OphiuchusYou asked me what I thought.. did you not?Posted by GetMistedOnce again my thread went completely over your head.
What crime was he suspected of committing?
I'm thinking you don't understand constitutionally protected rights.
What crime did she suspect him of committing in order for her to lawfully order him to stop and put his hands up?
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Posted by GetMistedBut the law is far from perfect. This rights things isn't some invincible shield. If you're being raped at gunpoint, it's better to take the rape than lose your life. If you're being asked by a cop to stop at gun point, whether the cop is right or wrong, you don't go anywhere. These are basic survival tactics, forget the law for a moment and do what you can to preserve your life. After all is said and done, report the rapist, or sue the officer. Live to get your rights another day.Posted by rockyroadicecreamIt's an unlawful order.
What I don't understand is if they're telling him to fucking stop, why does he keep walking to the car, disregarding them?
In so many of these situations, the one having the gun pointed at is fucking with those holding the gun. Why the fuck do people do such stupid shit when there's a gun pointed at them?
No, it's not right that they're getting shot, but jfc, you'd think you would completely cooperate when a fucking gun is pointed at you, because, hello? Gun is bad.
Cop: Hey you! Stop and put your hands up!
Me: Why?
Cop: I SAID SO! PUT YOUR HANDS UP!
Me: What crime did I commit??
Cop: *points gun at me*
Me: yeah.. fuck you buddy. You're gonna have to shoot me. I don't give up my rights that easily.
It's an unlawful order.
Rapist: Hey you! Give me sex!
You: Hell no!
Rapist: DO IT NOW! GIVE IT TO ME!
You: Are you foreal??
Rapist: *points gun at you*
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After reading that, I actually fear for your life. Take care.
I think the manslaughter charge sticks, but not in the first degree.
She shot the man.
She shot the man.
Posted by GetMistedTo preserve your life...? What good are rights if you're dead? And I never said to just let it be. I said after the situation has calmed down and you're safe make a report/sue. You can get your rights another day and keep your life. win win. Reacting emotionally/impulsively is not the best thing to do in these situations.Posted by OphiuchusYou may be okay with giving up your rights, be it constitutionally protected rights.. or in the case of rape, basic human rights.. but I am not.Posted by GetMistedBut the law is far from perfect. This rights things isn't some invincible shield. If you're being raped at gunpoint, it's better to take the rape than lose your life. If you're being asked by a cop to stop at gun point, whether the cop is right or wrong, you don't go anywhere. These are basic survival tactics, forget the law for a moment and do what you can to preserve your life. After all is said and done, report the rapist, or sue the officer. Live to get your rights another day.Posted by rockyroadicecreamIt's an unlawful order.
What I don't understand is if they're telling him to fucking stop, why does he keep walking to the car, disregarding them?
In so many of these situations, the one having the gun pointed at is fucking with those holding the gun. Why the fuck do people do such stupid shit when there's a gun pointed at them?
No, it's not right that they're getting shot, but jfc, you'd think you would completely cooperate when a fucking gun is pointed at you, because, hello? Gun is bad.
Cop: Hey you! Stop and put your hands up!
Me: Why?
Cop: I SAID SO! PUT YOUR HANDS UP!
Me: What crime did I commit??
Cop: *points gun at me*
Me: yeah.. fuck you buddy. You're gonna have to shoot me. I don't give up my rights that easily.
It's an unlawful order.
Rapist: Hey you! Give me sex!
You: Hell no!
Rapist: DO IT NOW! GIVE IT TO ME!
You: Are you foreal??
Rapist: *points gun at you*
Are you going to comply?
After reading that, I actually fear for your life. Take care.
I will never understand people's need to give up their rights in exchange for security or convenience.
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Posted by GetMistedYou just quoted that part, quote my whole reply and read it again... get your rights ANOTHER DAY. Jesus Christ I'm done with you.Posted by OphiuchusWhat good is life if you have no basic rights?
To preserve your life...? What good are rights if you're dead?
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Posted by GetMistedYou cannot compare a rapist to a police officer .Posted by rockyroadicecreamIt's an unlawful order.
What I don't understand is if they're telling him to fucking stop, why does he keep walking to the car, disregarding them?
In so many of these situations, the one having the gun pointed at is fucking with those holding the gun. Why the fuck do people do such stupid shit when there's a gun pointed at them?
No, it's not right that they're getting shot, but jfc, you'd think you would completely cooperate when a fucking gun is pointed at you, because, hello? Gun is bad.
Cop: Hey you! Stop and put your hands up!
Me: Why?
Cop: I SAID SO! PUT YOUR HANDS UP!
Me: What crime did I commit??
Cop: *points gun at me*
Me: yeah.. fuck you buddy. You're gonna have to shoot me. I don't give up my rights that easily.
It's an unlawful order.
Rapist: Hey you! Give me sex!
You: Hell no!
Rapist: DO IT NOW! GIVE IT TO ME!
You: Are you foreal??
Rapist: *points gun at you*
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Yes - it is your right to remain silent, your right to not consent to a search, your right to know what crime you are being suspected of...but it is not your right, not is it wise, to physically resist when asked to stop.
I am outraged by the lack of accountability, common manners and human decency of many cops but cops wouldn't be shooting people out of fear if they behaved in a rational compliant manner.
You won't see my ass on the news getting shot because of a police officer asks me to stop, I'm going to stop.
If I feel I am being wronged and treated unjustly I will handle it properly after the fact. That's what rational people do.
Its just sort of ignorant and unreasonable to say "you're gonna have to shoot me if you want me to comply"
And if you get your wish, are we supposed to riot on your behalf—
*sigh* I said I wasn't going to get into this kind of discussion
Posted by brianafayMy faith in dxpnet has been restored.
You cannot compare a rapist to a police officer .
Yes - it is your right to remain silent, your right to not consent to a search, your right to know what crime you are being suspected of...but it is not your right, not is it wise, to physically resist when asked to stop.
I am outraged by the lack of accountability, common manners and human decency of many cops but cops wouldn't be shooting people out of fear if they behaved in a rational compliant manner.
You won't see my ass on the news getting shot because of a police officer asks me to stop, I'm going to stop.
If I feel I am being wronged and treated unjustly I will handle it properly after the fact. That's what rational people do.
Its just sort of ignorant and unreasonable to say "you're gonna have to shoot me if you want me to comply"
And if you get your wish, are we supposed to riot on your behalf—
Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Posted by GetMistedWhat is resisting going to accomplish though? Really?Posted by OphiuchusSay you're arrested for a crime you didn't commit. You're put in jail without bail or a bail too high for you to afford. You spend 3-4 years in jail awaiting trial before you can be proven guilty/innocent.Posted by GetMistedYou just quoted that part, quote my whole reply and read it again... get your rights ANOTHER DAY. Jesus Christ I'm done with you.Posted by OphiuchusWhat good is life if you have no basic rights?
To preserve your life...? What good are rights if you're dead?
Let's also say that you're the main source of income for your family. Wife is at home taking care of your new born baby and a 5 year old.
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They're gonna say "oh, shit we got a harass on our hands, you're free to go, sorry sir"??
Badass** not harass lol
Posted by GetMistedI totally agree. Just not sure what destroying your home and lashing out at people who have nothing to do with it is going to accomplish either.Posted by brianafayIt's a lose/lose situation. Which is why this conversation needs to be had. Which is why people are fed up and rioting and protecting.Posted by GetMistedWhat is resisting going to accomplish though? Really?Posted by OphiuchusSay you're arrested for a crime you didn't commit. You're put in jail without bail or a bail too high for you to afford. You spend 3-4 years in jail awaiting trial before you can be proven guilty/innocent.Posted by GetMistedYou just quoted that part, quote my whole reply and read it again... get your rights ANOTHER DAY. Jesus Christ I'm done with you.Posted by OphiuchusWhat good is life if you have no basic rights?
To preserve your life...? What good are rights if you're dead?
Let's also say that you're the main source of income for your family. Wife is at home taking care of your new born baby and a 5 year old.
How do they survive while you're awaiting trial?
They're gonna say "oh, shit we got a harass on our hands, you're free to go, sorry sir"??
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But I understand the anger and I am not one of those ignorant white people that pretends none of this is going on. I've seen it first hand.
People need to fight back without a doubt...but they need to do it properly and rationally...or the cycle continues
Posted by GetMistedYou're measuring money alone... they'll get settlement money but lost a father/husband... why are you even putting a price on a life right now
At least if you resist and die..
Your family will get settlement money from your death.
Posted by brianafayExactly. Something some of the idiots around here seem to miss.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Too many "I can do whatever I want because I'm me" and less being a decent human being.
"I DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH MEEEEE."
Fuck you.
This is what happens when you give everyone fucking trophies for gracing everyone with their presence and excuses are constantly made for bad behavior.
In a good portion of these stories making the news, most of those who were shot were being fucking stupid. This isn't even victim blaming, it's "why the fuck would you do that? Now you're dead!"
I'd also think that if you know some of these asshole cops are turning into trigger happy freaks, you'd REALLY want to cooperate to lower that risk and not be a statistic.
Posted by GetMistedYou're being overly dramatic, as usual. Your family won't die if you're in jail for 3-4 years. They'll manage. After those 4 years you sue and you'll be compensated for the 4 years lost and your family will be well off AND have their father/husband. Think ahead please. You keep thinking in the moment.Posted by OphiuchusI'm measuring my family's ability to survive without me.Posted by GetMistedYou're measuring money alone... they'll get settlement money but lost a father/husband... why are you even putting a price on a life right now
At least if you resist and die..
Your family will get settlement money from your death.
If I comply.. sit in jail for 3-4 years awaiting trial.. do they survive? What if I get convicted of a crime I didn't commit?
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Posted by brianafayI'm blindly aware of my personal freedom, not a "badass," maybe a snotty bitch. And, I have exercised my freedom of speech and lawful action without being murdered by the cop in question. I didn't go to jail, didn't commit a crime, did have gun drawn on me, etc.Posted by GetMistedWhat is resisting going to accomplish though? Really?Posted by OphiuchusSay you're arrested for a crime you didn't commit. You're put in jail without bail or a bail too high for you to afford. You spend 3-4 years in jail awaiting trial before you can be proven guilty/innocent.Posted by GetMistedYou just quoted that part, quote my whole reply and read it again... get your rights ANOTHER DAY. Jesus Christ I'm done with you.Posted by OphiuchusWhat good is life if you have no basic rights?
To preserve your life...? What good are rights if you're dead?
Let's also say that you're the main source of income for your family. Wife is at home taking care of your new born baby and a 5 year old.
How do they survive while you're awaiting trial?
They're gonna say "oh, shit we got a harass on our hands, you're free to go, sorry sir"??
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Did I just get lucky those times?
There are also lots of grants for children of incarcerated parents...I know because my best friend growing up received them and got a full ride through college
But that's besides the point. I don't want to sound insensitive
But that's besides the point. I don't want to sound insensitive
Posted by VenusAquariusNo, I would say you handled yourself properly.Posted by brianafayI'm blindly aware of my personal freedom, not a "badass," maybe a snotty bitch. And, I have exercised my freedom of speech and lawful action without being murdered by the cop in question. I didn't go to jail, didn't commit a crime, did have gun drawn on me, etc.Posted by GetMistedWhat is resisting going to accomplish though? Really?Posted by OphiuchusSay you're arrested for a crime you didn't commit. You're put in jail without bail or a bail too high for you to afford. You spend 3-4 years in jail awaiting trial before you can be proven guilty/innocent.Posted by GetMistedYou just quoted that part, quote my whole reply and read it again... get your rights ANOTHER DAY. Jesus Christ I'm done with you.Posted by OphiuchusWhat good is life if you have no basic rights?
To preserve your life...? What good are rights if you're dead?
Let's also say that you're the main source of income for your family. Wife is at home taking care of your new born baby and a 5 year old.
How do they survive while you're awaiting trial?
They're gonna say "oh, shit we got a harass on our hands, you're free to go, sorry sir"??
Did I just get lucky those times?
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It's fine to say, "I wish to remain silent"
It's fine to refuse a search
It's fine to demand to know why you are being stopped
I don't think any of that has ever gotten anyone shot. That's not threatening.
What's gotten people shot is acting sketchy as fuck and attempting to flee or physically resisting/fighting cops.
Posted by GetMistedObviously the latter ...but things escalate out of control when you attempt to flee or resist ...cops are jumpy as hell and I can't say I don't understand why seeing the irrational way people actPosted by brianafayFair enough.
There are also lots of grants for children of incarcerated parents...I know because my best friend growing up received them and got a full ride through college
But that's besides the point. I don't want to sound insensitive
I want your honest opinion on something though..
Is it better..
To convicted an innocent person?
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Posted by GetMistedPosted by brianafayFair enough.
There are also lots of grants for children of incarcerated parents...I know because my best friend growing up received them and got a full ride through college
But that's besides the point. I don't want to sound insensitive
I want your honest opinion on something though..
Is it better..
To convicted an innocent person?
Or to allow a guilty person to walk and get them at a later date?click to expand
The latter.
Your mindset seems to be - if you don't fight the cops you're gonna be convicted, period.
What happened to all your rights talk? Be rational and exercise your rights in court after everything has happened and be exonerated. I don't get how you make a big deal about rights while a gun is pointed at you, but forget your rights exist anywhere else. It's like you're trying so hard to justify fighting the cops on the field and putting it up as the best course of action. What even
Posted by brianafayYou would think so but, it's not true. St. Paul Minnesota...Posted by VenusAquariusNo, I would say you handled yourself properly.Posted by brianafayI'm blindly aware of my personal freedom, not a "badass," maybe a snotty bitch. And, I have exercised my freedom of speech and lawful action without being murdered by the cop in question. I didn't go to jail, didn't commit a crime, did have gun drawn on me, etc.Posted by GetMistedWhat is resisting going to accomplish though? Really?Posted by OphiuchusSay you're arrested for a crime you didn't commit. You're put in jail without bail or a bail too high for you to afford. You spend 3-4 years in jail awaiting trial before you can be proven guilty/innocent.Posted by GetMistedYou just quoted that part, quote my whole reply and read it again... get your rights ANOTHER DAY. Jesus Christ I'm done with you.Posted by OphiuchusWhat good is life if you have no basic rights?
To preserve your life...? What good are rights if you're dead?
Let's also say that you're the main source of income for your family. Wife is at home taking care of your new born baby and a 5 year old.
How do they survive while you're awaiting trial?
They're gonna say "oh, shit we got a harass on our hands, you're free to go, sorry sir"??
Did I just get lucky those times?
It's fine to say, "I wish to remain silent"
It's fine to refuse a search
It's fine to demand to know why you are being stopped
I don't think any of that has ever gotten anyone shot. That's not threatening.
What's gotten people shot is acting sketchy as fuck and attempting to flee or physically resisting/fighting cops.
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Broken taillight...The officer asked her boyfriend for his license and registration, and that he told the officer he had a pistol and was licensed to carry.
“He was reaching for his wallet and the officer just shot him in his arm,” she says. “He shot his arm off."
People's constitutional rights are being violated. And, it shouldn't be a game of russian roulette to assert your rights whether consciously or subconsciously.
Even those who don't assert and actually give up their rights, "cooperate" are being assualted or murdered. It's scary.
Posted by seraphI am not premeditative with my freedom... It comes naturally. Period. I just live and let live.
This is a basic common sense issue. You'd need to be pants-on-head stupid if you want to start fighting for your rights on the scene of a police encounter. You *can* do that, but you'll radically decrease your chances of making your lunch appointment with your head still on. If a police officer instructs you to stop walking, you stop walking, even if you think it is unlawful for them to make that request. They usually won't demand you to fellate them or do weird shit. In the vast majority of cases the demands come in the form of getting out of a vehicle, standing here or there, or to stop doing something that you can easily and safely stop doing. So we can cut the "rape" bullshit along with the "well what if they ask you to do *insert ridiculous thing that won't happen*, are you just going to do it??"
The question isn't whether what you're being told to do is lawful/unlawful, the question is where and when you will fight it if it is. Doing it on scene is not a good idea for obvious reasons.
You aren't giving up your rights. You're picking your battles. It's being smart about the situation.
How responsible is it for you to be confrontational with officers and start refusing simple instructions if you've got a child in the back seat? How responsible is it for you to be confrontational with officers and start refusing simple instructions if you've got a family at home that needs you to return safely to them?
You aren't being a hero and you aren't being courageous by beating your chest with police. Defending your significant other or your child from harm or harassment is one thing. Police giving you simple instructions is a completely different issue.
And no, rapists and police officers aren't the same, and to attempt to draw parallels is a false equivalence too hilarious to even contemplate.
In the vast majority of cases you're to comply with police. If you feel your rights have been violated there are mechanisms in place after the fact that can be used to address your concerns. If you don't like that you can always get stupid and see what happens. If you don't want cops messing with your rights there are other ways to make change happen and get the appropriate legislation passed.
De-escalation of a situation has to happen on both sides. The individual being given instructions is just as responsible for an easy, non-deadly outcome as the police officer.
Duh, people.
No fight and in many cases there was no fight or assertion of rights.
Posted by seraph
This is a basic common sense issue. You'd need to be pants-on-head stupid if you want to start fighting for your rights on the scene of a police encounter. You *can* do that, but you'll radically decrease your chances of making your lunch appointment with your head still on. If a police officer instructs you to stop walking, you stop walking, even if you think it is unlawful for them to make that request. They usually won't demand you to fellate them or do weird shit. In the vast majority of cases the demands come in the form of getting out of a vehicle, standing here or there, or to stop doing something that you can easily and safely stop doing. So we can cut the "rape" bullshit along with the "well what if they ask you to do *insert ridiculous thing that won't happen*, are you just going to do it??"
The question isn't whether what you're being told to do is lawful/unlawful, the question is where and when you will fight it if it is. Doing it on scene is not a good idea for obvious reasons.
You aren't giving up your rights. You're picking your battles. It's being smart about the situation.
How responsible is it for you to be confrontational with officers and start refusing simple instructions if you've got a child in the back seat? How responsible is it for you to be confrontational with officers and start refusing simple instructions if you've got a family at home that needs you to return safely to them?
You aren't being a hero and you aren't being courageous by beating your chest with police. Defending your significant other or your child from harm or harassment is one thing. Police giving you simple instructions is a completely different issue.
And no, rapists and police officers aren't the same, and to attempt to draw parallels is a false equivalence too hilarious to even contemplate.
In the vast majority of cases you're to comply with police. If you feel your rights have been violated there are mechanisms in place after the fact that can be used to address your concerns. If you don't like that you can always get stupid and see what happens. If you don't want cops messing with your rights there are other ways to make change happen and get the appropriate legislation passed.
De-escalation of a situation has to happen on both sides. The individual being given instructions is just as responsible for an easy, non-deadly outcome as the police officer.
Duh, people.
Posted by Ophiuchus
The guy walks from behind his vehicle all the way to the driver side. As soon as he placed his hands on the window, one officer shot him, and another tazed him.
From the officiers' point of view, they can't see that the window is up, they're in a line south of the car. It isn't an unreasonable assumption to make that he was about to reach through the driver window to get a weapon. Why else would he walk all the way up there and not just put his hand on the back of the vehicle? This is the officers' point of view.
They both responded at the same time to what could have been perceived as a threat, only difference is one had a tazer and one actually had a gun, she certainly needed more training. She used excessive force and is wrong, but I can understand why she paniced. If this is explained she could be exonerated, or have her charge reduced.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/22/tulsa-officer-who-fatally-shot-terrence-crutcher-charged-with-first-degree-manslaughter/?utm_term=.786d5b67cf68
Wood told the Tulsa World that Shelby opened fire and that another officer used a stun gun when Crutcher’s “left hand goes through the car window.”
What do you guys think?
I think this is the first thread I've seen representing
the other side, for the sake of giving both sides of
the story.
I like that.
Just FYI
all the lawful or not lawful/common sense or not common sense talk
Still doesnt make this not manslaughter
lolol
all the lawful or not lawful/common sense or not common sense talk
Still doesnt make this not manslaughter
lolol
Duh,
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Posted by AfternoonDelights22Yep
Just FYI
all the lawful or not lawful/common sense or not common sense talk
Still doesnt make this not manslaughter
lolol
Posted by GetMistedYou're lucky... I've heard as much as 2 years.Posted by seraphYou always says it's "common sense". It's not as black/white as you want to make it out to be.
Duh, people.
When I was arrest for my DWI, it was 6 months before I even got into a courtroom to plead guilty. 6 months..
Obviously I was guilty.. I know that. I also had enough money to post bail and pay a lawyer to get my punishment reduced from a year in jail/ $ 2000 fine deduced to time served/ $ 400 fine.
Now...
Let's say that I was not guilty. Let's say I was also working a minimum wage job at the time.
I wouldn't have been able to post bail. I'd have set 6 months in jail while awaiting my day in court. If I would have been convicted (which probably would have happened with a public defender since I wouldn't be able to afford an attorney), that's another year in jail plus fines.. All the while not being able to work and make money to pay those fines. I'm left in a tough spot when I get out.
Now let's up the stakes.. You're arrested for a much more serious crime your innocent of. Except now you have a family also. You're going to spend even more time in jail before your court date, because the prosecutor needs the time to put his case together. Could be a year.. could be 4? Who knows. When you finally get to trial.. you're convicted! 10 years in the pen.
What does you're family do?
If you don't have the money to beat the system, you're shit out of luck.
You're common sense approach only helps if you have the means. $ $ $
The "mechanisms" you speak of do nothing to help those less fortunate.
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Wondering if it has anything to do with the private prison contracts and private contractors?
Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphYou always says it's "common sense". It's not as black/white as you want to make it out to be.
Duh, people.
When I was arrest for my DWI, it was 6 months before I even got into a courtroom to plead guilty. 6 months..
Obviously I was guilty.. I know that. I also had enough money to post bail and pay a lawyer to get my punishment reduced from a year in jail/ $ 2000 fine deduced to time served/ $ 400 fine.
Now...
Let's say that I was not guilty. Let's say I was also working a minimum wage job at the time.
I wouldn't have been able to post bail. I'd have set 6 months in jail while awaiting my day in court. If I would have been convicted (which probably would have happened with a public defender since I wouldn't be able to afford an attorney), that's another year in jail plus fines.. All the while not being able to work and make money to pay those fines. I'm left in a tough spot when I get out.
Now let's up the stakes.. You're arrested for a much more serious crime your innocent of. Except now you have a family also. You're going to spend even more time in jail before your court date, because the prosecutor needs the time to put his case together. Could be a year.. could be 4? Who knows. When you finally get to trial.. you're convicted! 10 years in the pen.
What does you're family do?
If you don't have the money to beat the system, you're shit out of luck.
You're common sense approach only helps if you have the means. $ $ $
The "mechanisms" you speak of do nothing to help those less fortunate.
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Good point but thats a class issue more than
a race issue imo.
Then they should've waited till he reached through the window to 'grab a weapon'. Smh
You can thank the media that this has become a race issue
The media should also be held accountable for all of this, really.
The media should also be held accountable for all of this, really.
Posted by LadyNeptuneYes they should have waited for a gunfight smh
Then they should've waited till he reached through the window to 'grab a weapon'. Smh
Actually, can't access the info atm, but I have read of incidents (the mention of DUI/DWI) where an aresst has been made where the cop mistook diabetic ketoacidosis for intoxication.
Obviously, the person in question was not guilty, but should he/she have resisted?
Obviously, the person in question was not guilty, but should he/she have resisted?
Posted by GetMistedIn war zones....since when is a traffic stop war?Posted by brianafaySoldiers do don't they?Posted by LadyNeptuneYes they should have waited for a gunfight smh
Then they should've waited till he reached through the window to 'grab a weapon'. Smh
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Point is was that person's rights violated?
Should they sue?
Should diabetics riot?
Should they sue?
Should diabetics riot?
Actually, don't even answer that, lol
But it shouldn't be
But it shouldn't be
Haha best you to it
And I agree 10000%
And I agree 10000%
But again, given the way people behave, I understand why cops are jumpy
I really see both sides ...I get nowhere in these convos
I really see both sides ...I get nowhere in these convos
It's so vicious.
And then you have the media turning the wheel
And then you have the media turning the wheel
Class, sometimes but, I remember the black Harvard professor accused of burgalarizing his own home.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by MontgomeryHave I mentioned race?Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphYou always says it's "common sense". It's not as black/white as you want to make it out to be.
Duh, people.
When I was arrest for my DWI, it was 6 months before I even got into a courtroom to plead guilty. 6 months..
Obviously I was guilty.. I know that. I also had enough money to post bail and pay a lawyer to get my punishment reduced from a year in jail/ $ 2000 fine deduced to time served/ $ 400 fine.
Now...
Let's say that I was not guilty. Let's say I was also working a minimum wage job at the time.
I wouldn't have been able to post bail. I'd have set 6 months in jail while awaiting my day in court. If I would have been convicted (which probably would have happened with a public defender since I wouldn't be able to afford an attorney), that's another year in jail plus fines.. All the while not being able to work and make money to pay those fines. I'm left in a tough spot when I get out.
Now let's up the stakes.. You're arrested for a much more serious crime your innocent of. Except now you have a family also. You're going to spend even more time in jail before your court date, because the prosecutor needs the time to put his case together. Could be a year.. could be 4? Who knows. When you finally get to trial.. you're convicted! 10 years in the pen.
What does you're family do?
If you don't have the money to beat the system, you're shit out of luck.
You're common sense approach only helps if you have the means. $ $ $
The "mechanisms" you speak of do nothing to help those less fortunate.
Good point but thats a class issue more than
a race issue imo.
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So you agree.
Posted by AfternoonDelights22I don't see anyone here saying this, so...?
Just FYI
all the lawful or not lawful/common sense or not common sense talk
Still doesnt make this not manslaughter
lolol
Posted by rockyroadicecreamExoneration is the thread topic.Posted by AfternoonDelights22I don't see anyone here saying this, so...?
Just FYI
all the lawful or not lawful/common sense or not common sense talk
Still doesnt make this not manslaughter
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Posted by brianafaybig jump between reaching into an open window and a gunfight. and the window wasn't even open.Posted by LadyNeptuneYes they should have waited for a gunfight smh
Then they should've waited till he reached through the window to 'grab a weapon'. Smh
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I'm in the same battle as my brothers. Whether I believe this to be a class or race issue.. the point is that we both have to come together to fight.-get misted
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this all of this ....
Posted by GetMistedYeah I remember it. Disgusting abuse of power.
Anyone remember the Kinsey shooting in Miami? Wasn't too long ago..
The man complied. Laid on the ground with hands up. He was shot while officers were attempting to shoot the mentally disabled kid he was taking care of because they thought the toy train the kid was holding.. was a weapon.
No charges brought up on the officer.
I mean come the fuck on people.
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Posted by seraphThis is exactly the problem...we have complying men that are being gun down because they are black.Posted by GetMistedI have no idea what you're talking about. Are you ok?Posted by seraphLet me rephrase this then..
What are you talking about?
I'm not discussing exoneration of that officer. I'm addressing specifically what you posted earlier in the thread.
How many innocent people must be sacrificed to make sure we get all of the "bad guys"?
Are YOU okay with being sacrificed for the greater good?
All that is being said here (by *one* of us, anyway) is that it's preferable to simply comply with police requests. You don't know how a police encounter will go for certain (even though it'll probably go fine if you do your part), so even if there's this uncertainty, it's still a good idea to not act like an idiot. Even if you get a charge that you think is unjust it's *still* a good idea to not act like an idiot.
The rest you have no control over. All you can do anything about is what *you* are doing.click to expand
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From 0:45 onwards the wife was very calm and was walking up to the scene.
From 1:10 the wife "Keith! Keith don't you do it! Don't you do it! Keith! Keith! Keith don't you do it!" She's extremely flustered,
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Thoughts?
i read an article about how fuck boys attract fuck girls but honestly i think there are many different reasons.
for me, i have way too much fucking faith in people. i give them love, dedication, and i stick it out to the end. I guess to that extent I’m
I want to hear about your experiences living with the opposite sex. I'm not talking about your bf or gf, I'm talking about someone who is strictly a roommate.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/21/pickup-artists-on-trial-for-rape-ring.html
It's a freaking long article, but I'm going to copy/paste snippets. Overall gist is that these PUA fucks got 8 years in prison for raping a drunk chick. Hopeful
Regardless of what colour they are.
Discuss.
This isn't a troll thread made to spread hate or gain attention. This thread is for actual longterm solutions on the issue with race in America. No bs opinions, but straight to the point.
It all starts with you, and every person as an individual. Stop
Can you guys share your memes with me?
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What did everyone do this summer?
My mum and I went to this local german restaurant for a dinner. As usual, the foods there have always been amazing! :)
There's this green herb they always put on top of almost every dish they have which never fails to amaze my palate. It's crunchy and,
Rainbow dash - my little pony
Soundwave - transformers
Rick - rick and morty
Is anyone loving this phi phi drama—
I need your opinion about this.
For some years I have noticed several brand-new couples are having babies even though they did not want any in their last long-term relationships. Karma?
Maybe I just overreacted but my own bro in law did this, too.
Ever intended to do something, then get distracted and then you forget what you're going to do in the first place?
Names please
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The guy walks from behind his vehicle all the way to the driver side. As soon as he placed his hands on the window, one officer shot him, and another tazed him.
From the officiers' point of view, they can't see that the window is up, they're in a line south of the car. It isn't an unreasonable assumption to make that he was about to reach through the driver window to get a weapon. Why else would he walk all the way up there and not just put his hand on the back of the vehicle? This is the officers' point of view.
They both responded at the same time to what could have been perceived as a threat, only difference is one had a tazer and one actually had a gun, she certainly needed more training. She used excessive force and is wrong, but I can understand why she paniced. If this is explained she could be exonerated, or have her charge reduced.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/22/tulsa-officer-who-fatally-shot-terrence-crutcher-charged-with-first-degree-manslaughter/?utm_term=.786d5b67cf68
Wood told the Tulsa World that Shelby opened fire and that another officer used a stun gun when Crutcher’s “left hand goes through the car window.”
What do you guys think?