What IS Astrology?

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by Enoch on Tuesday, March 4, 2014 and has 15 replies.
A question everyone should have before joining this site...
Its really quite simple.
According to labels (Leo, Cancer, Pisces, Capricorn, etc), a person's personality is influenced by the movements of the planets and stars, but WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? Where is the evidence, you ask? There IS none. When we say theres no evidence to support this, we mean just that lol. Theres no evidence that a person's personality has any significant correlation to the state of the cosmos at the time of their birth. This is evident if you read the descriptions of different signs without reading the name of the sign. In most cases, you'll find a handful of traits that make you go, "BINGO!" And then another handful that make you say "wtf, this just a crock shit...this aint me," whether its your sign or not.
Astrology is no different than fortune cookies. The people who write this stuff (Duncan? Im talkin to you......."crickets") make the fortune or horoscope as vague as possible so that it can apply to virtually to ANYONE. Theres no need to check the stars, to predict something like, "That Leo girl is not made for me (Aquarian) WHY? Well... cuz you see? A snake smites the lion, or its vice versa, so it aint gonna work out...WHAAAAAAT? Because occasionally I WILL find a girl (who happens to be Leo) who gonna work out. The position of Mercury has nothin to do with it, nor does the angle of the star Beetlegeuse to the constellation Aquila or any other cosmological movement.
Still waitin on the evidence tho.
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Posted by Enoch
A question everyone should have before joining this site...
Astrology is no different than fortune cookies. The people who write this stuff (Duncan? Im talkin to you......."crickets") make the fortune or horoscope as vague as possible so that it can apply to virtually to ANYONE. Theres no need to check the stars, to predict something like, "That Leo girl is not made for me (Aquarian) WHY? Well... cuz you see? A snake smites the lion, or its vice versa, so it aint gonna work out...WHAAAAAAT? Because occasionally I WILL find a girl (who happens to be Leo) who gonna work out. The position of Mercury has nothin to do with it, nor does the angle of the star Beetlegeuse to the constellation Aquila or any other cosmological movement.
Still waitin on the evidence tho.


Even just dealing with Sun Signs, in principle, people adhere to astrology because of a percieved correlation between their own behaviors and those associated with their sign. Whether you agree with that perception or not, this is still evidence-based. There are plenty of books theorizing about *how* exactly planetary transits affect behavior, but really, that is only one aspect of Astrological theory, and it isn't necessary for a person to have a complete understanding of this, in order to have an evidence-based belief in astrology. That's more about tractibility than it is about evidence. Prior to the discovery of the laws of physics, we could still make accurate predictions and have understanding all sorts of physical phenomena. Our understanding has increased but we're still completely in the dark about the origins of the laws of physics themselves (and all matter, space, time, and energy).
Also - don't wait on the evidence. That's not how you do things. Its not going to fall out of the sky and hit you on the head like Newton's proverbial apple. I can tellyou have a very superficial understanding of Astrology from the examples you gave. What have you read? List please.....(crickets poised and ready to chirp). Pick up Richard Tarnas' _Cosmos and Psyche_ and read it in its entirety. Best defense of Astrological principles in print. You can't say you're reasonable, or even a skeptic, until you've heard the best of what the opposition has to say.
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Wheres the evidence to the contrary?
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Astrology is a belief system based on assumptions. You won't find evidence, but that doesn't mean you can't believe in it or use it for whatever you would like.
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Every belief system is based on assumptions though. Being based on assumptions, doesn't entail that evidence is non-existent.
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Posted by TaurusLovesScorpio
Every belief system is based on assumptions though. Being based on assumptions, doesn't entail that evidence is non-existent.


True.
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The irony in every post you make about how wrong astrology or misguided people are about astrology cracks me up. Have you forgotten you ARE on an astrology based website? If you believe so strongly in what you have been preaching, why not find some NON-astro based site to join?
Are you sure you are an Aqua? I'm asking seriously because to me you do not come across as one, yet you make sure with all three user names you now have to label yourself... Aqua sun, Libra rising, Aries moon.... if it means nothing as you state, why have it listed?
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And why the need for multiple user names? It makes you seem Cray cray.
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Posted by DonJohnson
there is evidence actually.
we are affected by star alignments on a molecular level. Women especially are affected by the moon and their menstrual cycle is corresponds with the moon cycle.
of course if you don't buy that.. then let's talk about another molecular component.
The ocean tides are controlled by the moon. this is a fact. Depending on the alignment of the stars the moon moves in certain patterns. On a molecular level, moon affects water.
The male body is about 70% water. The female body is 75% water.
So logically, it isn't out of the realm of possibility to conclude that we are affected on a molecular level by the stars. As for how much are we affected... even modern science can't determine that. As astrology is only an inclination. it isn't the end all be all... other than cat lady astrologers, most people only read it as some proximity of a guideline. and if read correctly, it can be surprisingly accurate.


I agree with the part in bold.
The rest are well known facts and theories that cannot support the astrology system as a whole.
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Posted by DonJohnson
if you had reading comprehension, you'd understand that isn't my point. i actually went out of my way to imply that.

yet it still flew over your head.


You sound like a broken record.
Boring.
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Posted by DonJohnson
there is evidence actually.
we are affected by star alignments on a molecular level. Women especially are affected by the moon and their menstrual cycle is corresponds with the moon cycle.
of course if you don't buy that.. then let's talk about another molecular component.
The ocean tides are controlled by the moon. ... On a molecular level, moon affects water.
The male body is about 70% water. The female body is 75% water.
So logically, it isn't out of the realm of possibility to conclude that we are affected on a molecular level by the stars. As for how much are we affected... even modern science can't determine that. As astrology is only an inclination. it isn't the end all be all... other than cat lady astrologers, most people only read it as some proximity of a guideline. and if read correctly, it can be surprisingly accurate.


Very nice.
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Posted by Montgomery
Posted by DonJohnson
there is evidence actually.
we are affected by star alignments on a molecular level. Women especially are affected by the moon and their menstrual cycle is corresponds with the moon cycle.
of course if you don't buy that.. then let's talk about another molecular component.
The ocean tides are controlled by the moon. ... On a molecular level, moon affects water.
The male body is about 70% water. The female body is 75% water.
So logically, it isn't out of the realm of possibility to conclude that we are affected on a molecular level by the stars. As for how much are we affected... even modern science can't determine that. As astrology is only an inclination. it isn't the end all be all... other than cat lady astrologers, most people only read it as some proximity of a guideline. and if read correctly, it can be surprisingly accurate.


Very nice.
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Cha-Ching. DJ does it again.
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People don't really care though because astrology gives them a culprit to blame their life on, when they fuck up.
So, it doesn't really matter if it's real to people. Even the ones who believe it is real, come in here to gripe about their bad life choices, or about their insecurities according to their charts.
If it wasn't astrology it would be something else people used to refute self accountability ... so, since this is the only thing astrology is actually used for, then nobody really cares of it's validity anymore than some god.
If they can use some god, they will do that too ... anything is usable to refuse accepting accountability.
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Where is the evidence Enoch is a real person?
The way I see it..as with everything, you choose a system to believe in..whether it's religion, astrology, people-with-green-eyes-are-evil, readheads-are-nasty etc. Everything is programming. Even if you don't believe in anything, that's still a choice you make. The moment you pick one, everything in your life will follow suit and go around that.
Stick to whatever choice you pick and don't put anything under your avatar.
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Posted by xMoonMan
Posted by Enoch
Still waitin on the evidence tho.


According to many people....God created the Universe.
Still waitin on the evidence tho.
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Enter the smart-ass who says "Still waiting on the evidence that says God didn't create the universe".


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