Why is socialism a dirty word in America?

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by Dastard2020 on Thursday, February 11, 2021 and has 22 replies.
Why so many people support capitalism? When they don't benefit much from it because they're poor and struggling just like the majority of the country.
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Posted by Tomboyyyy

Amurican rugged individualism and the misguided pursuit of manifest destiny.


I think extreme individualism has become a problem that branches also into other areas. Like each group selfishly pursuing their agenda at the expense of other groups. And we end up with a bunch of groups divided against one another, and you can see the same pattern even among sub-groups.

I'm not saying we should turn into Japan and embrace a full-blown collectivist mindset. But a little of that wouldn't hurt and would balance us out more.
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Most Americans have an IQ of around 100 and follow whatever they’re told.
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Like changing ideologies is gonna fix the main problem society.

Jfc. I thought slavery was bad and some want even more dependance instead? I'm happier in puberty than I would ever be in socialist heaven Germany.

We literally have no lights for good on end and yet....

Socialism is not gonna fix the main problem which is Americans and the American collective. You just substitute one form of destute form of control for another.

It's mentality that is the issue. You can have many different competing ideaologies working together so long as a respect with a cooperative mentality is incorporated.
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america is a pyramid scam

The country was built on get rich quick schemes, killing critters by thousands for a quick buck on fur, slavery, european refugees business, gold rush. Always a scam going on.

Everybody's conditioned to think they're a milllionaire in the making, just wait
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Many people in the west don't even care to know what socialism is about, they have been told socialism = communism = Soviets = evil enemy. They were raised that way and it will never change.
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Most of the ism's are dirty words here.

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It's been given negative connotations to dupe dummies into supporting a system where the wealth and power is concentrated at the top. Soviet style Communism is almost the exact opposite of democratic socialism in practice and has more in common with oligarchy like is present in the U.S.. Unfortunately, it confuses some by what they call it rather than what it is in practice. Despite the "American Dream" myth perpetuated, the U.S. is far behind most European social democracies in regards to upward mobility (education and healthcare outcomes) and life expectancy, two leading indicators or societal health. The younger generation on the whole gets it so there is hope.
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Like changing ideologies is gonna fix the main problem society.

Jfc. I thought slavery was bad and some want even more dependance instead? I'm happier in puberty than I would ever be in socialist heaven Germany.

We literally have no lights for good on end and yet....

Socialism is not gonna fix the main problem which is Americans and the American collective. You just substitute one form of destute form of control for another.

It's mentality that is the issue. You can have many different competing ideaologies working together so long as a respect with a cooperative mentality is incorporated.


There are unseen forces behind the scenes working and fighting amongst themselves to prevent that from happening.

Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.
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The unseen forces behind the scenes part you mentioned borders on a level of conspiracy theory. I'm not saying it's not true, but I'm also not claiming to know it's false. It's not hard to see why holding such belief would make a person have a cynical outlook, and that's a problem in and of itself.

Yes, duality is part of nature but we can't deny the obvious. Which is that there are countries with better standards of living than the US. Who is saying that we have to completely obliterate duality? Improvement is something we should always strive for.
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Like changing ideologies is gonna fix the main problem society.

Jfc. I thought slavery was bad and some want even more dependance instead? I'm happier in puberty than I would ever be in socialist heaven Germany.

We literally have no lights for good on end and yet....

Socialism is not gonna fix the main problem which is Americans and the American collective. You just substitute one form of destute form of control for another.

It's mentality that is the issue. You can have many different competing ideaologies working together so long as a respect with a cooperative mentality is incorporated.


There are unseen forces behind the scenes working and fighting amongst themselves to prevent that from happening.

Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.
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Those things exist only in contrast to it's opposite. Without either the other can't exist. Therefore it's survival is dependent on the other. Only in open cooperation on some level can there be true harmony without needless destruction. When you go deep enough all differences are petty and superficial. When you go even deeper and see the truth of it all, those differences are merely a joke that was forgotten and become a bad joke that is being taken too seriously.

Harmony through cooperation isn't a paradox. It's the solution you find that doesn't involve mass destruction and suffering.
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Posted by Dastard2020

Why so many people support capitalism? When they don't benefit much from it because they're poor and struggling just like the majority of the country.


because they think being a millionaire happens by magic
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I think it goes deeper than that. I think they have conflicting beliefs.

On one hand they know that most people will not become rich, and on the other they desperately want to believe they will become rich themselves. But how do they uphold or support such belief? By assuming they will in fact become rich and that the steps they are currently taking will ensure their success.

So for them to believe that their success is guaranteed by their personal efforts and decisions, they must also believe that anyone follows the same steps should also achieve financial freedom. Anything opposed to this narrative even if based in reality is disregarded because they need to believe it's possible for them.

The delusion is fed by a projection of their ideal future self (self-made rich person).
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Like changing ideologies is gonna fix the main problem society.

Jfc. I thought slavery was bad and some want even more dependance instead? I'm happier in puberty than I would ever be in socialist heaven Germany.

We literally have no lights for good on end and yet....

Socialism is not gonna fix the main problem which is Americans and the American collective. You just substitute one form of destute form of control for another.


Capitalism and slavery are intimately intertwined especially in American history.




Completely flew over your head? Well whatever.

Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.

Everything you know might as well be false. The only truth to be found is the one found in the darkest Abyss. Stare at it long enough and maybe you'll find it stares back.

But I guess being comfortably numb in a socialist egalitarian Utopia is best. Neither ideologies are better than the other. Stop kidding yourself. They both suffer from the same inconsistencies deriving from the problems society is structured.

Chaos is at least fair. Anything can happen.


Chaos might be fair if we call came into this world on an equal footing. But we don’t.


Exactly. What difficulty is there to understand.

The ones that yell about unfairness are often the most unfair themselves.

Every Socialist I've met was a parasitic shithead. Even the most educated. Nothing more than glorified mouthpieces for the party.

One of the politicians had a saying for Communism (although I guess the same can be said of all unbalanced systems)

"Communism. When it lives, it kills."

And kill it does. A quick peek into the soviet union era. Tells you what pure Socialism does. Millions dead in camps. Prisoners , slaves of the state. Mass starvations. Raping of women in prison.

I'm not quite sure what exactly you are trying to tell me, a person who has had family members born inside prison cells of the "workers paradise".

Not that the current free market oligarchy is any better though.

I don't understand why people hate freedom so much. Pearls before swine.

There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self. No external force can fix these problems of ours.
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You outo take the time to read or listen to detail documentaries about the political activities and activism of that time. It isn't that black and white at all.

It was the ideaology that caused it. Not the concept of socialism. There were heavy Marxist influences and demonization of the "opposition" that caused that travesty. Constantly targeting escape goats to rally support for their mistakes.Which they purged from society. Even family owned farmer where not spared from this. They destroyed themselves.

Its too much to describe effectively with writing a book. This video is a good start though.



And this video gives a quick summary of how Russia became communistic and why.
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Posted by LiterallyStalinG

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Is this a proceed with caution warning or a don't-do-anything-it's-not-even-worth-it kind of message?
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Posted by hydorah

america is a pyramid scam

The country was built on get rich quick schemes, killing critters by thousands for a quick buck on fur, slavery, european refugees business, gold rush. Always a scam going on.

Everybody's conditioned to think they're a milllionaire in the making, just wait


Sounds like the American Dream has turned into the American Nightmare. As much some people want to believe this country is the same as it was 40-50 years ago, it's not. We don't have the same opportunities we did in the past.
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Posted by TheSag Many people in the west don't even care to know what socialism is about, they have been told socialism = communism = Soviets = evil enemy. They were raised that way and it will never change.


Partially agree. But change is a constant. Perhaps we won't see a 180-degree change in our lifetime. But never say never. We can direct the way we change and shape the future with conscious effort.
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Like changing ideologies is gonna fix the main problem society.

Jfc. I thought slavery was bad and some want even more dependance instead? I'm happier in puberty than I would ever be in socialist heaven Germany.

We literally have no lights for good on end and yet....

Socialism is not gonna fix the main problem which is Americans and the American collective. You just substitute one form of destute form of control for another.

It's mentality that is the issue. You can have many different competing ideaologies working together so long as a respect with a cooperative mentality is incorporated.


There are unseen forces behind the scenes working and fighting amongst themselves to prevent that from happening.

Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.

Those things exist only in contrast to it's opposite. Without either the other can't exist. Therefore it's survival is dependent on the other. Only in open cooperation on some level can there be true harmony without needless destruction. When you go deep enough all differences are petty and superficial. When you go even deeper and see the truth of it all, those differences are merely a joke that was forgotten and become a bad joke that is being taken too seriously.

Harmony through cooperation isn't a paradox. It's the solution you find that doesn't involve mass destruction and suffering.


Alas certain groups have much to lose if people catch on to the sham. But it is a fight that must be fought.

I wouldn't say I know anything. I just have an idea.
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The trick is to not directly call out and challenge those groups but change the rules and conditions in which they rely on to existence.

For instance, in the USA right now, special interest groups( money) controls who runs for election. Their support behind closed doors.

Yet both parties rely on this and have to get the approval from the same players. And are beholden to them. Because The backroom "players" fund both sides their interests are never challenged. We are slowly becoming Corporate fascists. Corporations controlling government. Corporations are amoral entities who's primary objective is making money. Not people, society, Countries or even our species as a whole. Just money.

A course it's pointless to call this out because you will be labeled crazy, communist, or some other demonization. However if you where to make campaign finances truly transparent (campaign finance laws) it would completely undermine this process without all the hoopla. You wouldn't have to say anything, it would be made apparent on it's own. A course that would take a lot of pressure to force politicians to grow balls and kick their addiction to do this. Perhaps ignoring party lines and not vote for candidates who do not support this and ones that run on it.

The same solution can be used for politicians who use empty rhetoric and full of shit. You don't vote for them. Even vote for 3rd parties and independants. The idea your throwing away your vote is a lie. You have to think about the long game. As a whole They will take notice of this pattern and adjust themselves to fit voters desires. Basically voting like this will create a whole/desire and the proper person will eventually try to fill it naturally.

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Posted by Lostthoughts
Posted by LiterallyStalinG

Like changing ideologies is gonna fix the main problem society.

Jfc. I thought slavery was bad and some want even more dependance instead? I'm happier in puberty than I would ever be in socialist heaven Germany.

We literally have no lights for good on end and yet....

Socialism is not gonna fix the main problem which is Americans and the American collective. You just substitute one form of destute form of control for another.

It's mentality that is the issue. You can have many different competing ideaologies working together so long as a respect with a cooperative mentality is incorporated.


There are unseen forces behind the scenes working and fighting amongst themselves to prevent that from happening.

Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.

Those things exist only in contrast to it's opposite. Without either the other can't exist. Therefore it's survival is dependent on the other. Only in open cooperation on some level can there be true harmony without needless destruction. When you go deep enough all differences are petty and superficial. When you go even deeper and see the truth of it all, those differences are merely a joke that was forgotten and become a bad joke that is being taken too seriously.

Harmony through cooperation isn't a paradox. It's the solution you find that doesn't involve mass destruction and suffering.


Alas certain groups have much to lose if people catch on to the sham. But it is a fight that must be fought.

I wouldn't say I know anything. I just have an idea.

The trick is to not directly call out and challenge those groups but change the rules and conditions in which they rely on to existence.

For instance, in the USA right now, special interest groups( money) controls who runs for election. Their support behind closed doors.

Yet both parties rely on this and have to get the approval from the same players. And are beholden to them. Because The backroom "players" fund both sides their interests are never challenged. We are slowly becoming Corporate fascists. Corporations controlling government. Corporations are amoral entities who's primary objective is making money. Not people, society, Countries or even our species as a whole. Just money.

A course it's pointless to call this out because you will be labeled crazy, communist, or some other demonization. However if you where to make campaign finances truly transparent (campaign finance laws) it would completely undermine this process without all the hoopla. You wouldn't have to say anything, it would be made apparent on it's own. A course that would take a lot of pressure to force politicians to grow balls and kick their addiction to do this. Perhaps ignoring party lines and not vote for candidates who do not support this and ones that run on it.

The same solution can be used for politicians who use empty rhetoric and full of shit. You don't vote for them. Even vote for 3rd parties and independants. The idea your throwing away your vote is a lie. You have to think about the long game. As a whole They will take notice of this pattern and adjust themselves to fit voters desires. Basically voting like this will create a whole/desire and the proper person will eventually try to fill it naturally.


I agree with mostly everything you say it's just the little details. I can't accept Socialism because the phrase "I'm from the government and we're here to help" is terrifying for me.

I do get the feeling of alienization though about calling this out but most sane people agree that corporates are brutal entities.

Buttt the future is what we make of it. Just have to plant the seed and not expect to enjoy the shade of the tree yourself.
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"I'm from the government and we're here to help" is terrifying for me.

It should scare you and make you cautious. Actions speak louder then words. You look at their actions. In our recent history when a statement like that was made, the actions didn't match it. So this phrases have a stigma attached.


That isn't what socialism is though. The fact their isn't a toll on ever major road and you can call the police without opening your wallet is socialism. Critical services Funded by society and managed without any self interest. We are already socialist.

The current pushback for extending this is a few groups that are in the middle manipulating things for their own self interests. It's self preservationist if you think about it.

Just as pure socialism is detrimental in some area so is pure capitalism. A Good current example of this is large companies buying out competition and competing technology to simply kill it. And a really disgusting one would be oil companies buying patents for renewable technologies( 70s-2000s) and just sitting on it. It's shit like this I'm talking about. Hell monopolies is general. In a capatalistic system if their is no competition there is no reason to innovate. And quality goes down will cost goes up.

Looking at our past the one thing I noticed was Socialistic principals in a area can creates a baseline, a bare minimum. It forces private entities to at least match or exceed that line in order to compete. ATM that is what regulatory laws do for us. But unfortunately those are currently being eroded.

I'm not speaking out my ass about the voting thing either. The house rep. For my area is Republican. He grow some balls and broke party lines and voted for impeachment. As well as made public statements as to why he followed his conscious and broke ranks. I'll personally work to get him reelected when the time comes.
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Posted by Tomboyyyy
Posted by LiterallyStalinG

Like changing ideologies is gonna fix the main problem society.

Jfc. I thought slavery was bad and some want even more dependance instead? I'm happier in puberty than I would ever be in socialist heaven Germany.

We literally have no lights for good on end and yet....

Socialism is not gonna fix the main problem which is Americans and the American collective. You just substitute one form of destute form of control for another.


Capitalism and slavery are intimately intertwined especially in American history.




Completely flew over your head? Well whatever.

Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.

Everything you know might as well be false. The only truth to be found is the one found in the darkest Abyss. Stare at it long enough and maybe you'll find it stares back.

But I guess being comfortably numb in a socialist egalitarian Utopia is best. Neither ideologies are better than the other. Stop kidding yourself. They both suffer from the same inconsistencies deriving from the problems society is structured.

Chaos is at least fair. Anything can happen.
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Dude... you’re are taking it to the extreme! Comparing “socialism” experienced under the communist regime or ever more severe alternative, dictatorships to what most in this tread are addressing, is absurd!!! There are degrees of socialism & how such is incorporated into political as well as economic landscape of a country.
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Because people are fooled by the idea of capitalism. They were sold the idea by a capitalist nonetheless. An open minded person can clearly see the downfall of capitalism. It was destined to fail given enough time. Most of us can see capitalism wants to be in favor of average people rising to the top though hard work and good investments, but it's obvious what the downfall is. With that type of economy it's only a matter of time before all the funds are in the hands of a small few. The majority of the population will have no other choice then to bow to those who hold all the wealth, because there is no more wealth to give out. Then what would we have?
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This thread pretty much sums up Americans having an average IQ of 100 and no idea about Socialism.

Congratulations, you’ve proven why the World thinks you’re all morons.
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Rigged Capitalism or Corporate Socialism?

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Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown

Because U.S.A. is an extremely socialistic country.
No it isn’t.

If it was, you’d have free funding to deal with your special needs.
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