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This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by krysrenee7 on Monday, October 7, 2013 and has 33 replies.
Cringe, die inside or be upset if your child came out of the closet as a homosexual at a very young age (not adulthood)?
Not necessarily a huge defiance to it but at least a tiny weeny bit?

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OMG, I'm not going to even lie, YES. I want grandchildren, not adopted ones. My son had a Barbie crazy at age 2 & I was a little upset about it. He grew out of it though once we moved away & started playing with new friends, other boys. His bff at the time of the 'barbie phase' was our neighbour's little gir.
I almost died when I saw him breastfeeding a doll, but I didn't say anything to him. I even tied a doll on his back African style a few times lol. Thanks God he is over the doll craze @ 4.
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no way. i'd accept him/her no matter what. it'd probably break my heart about grandchildren a tiny bit, but that's the selfishness in me. I just want my baby to be happy and be open with his sexuality and not hide it in the closet. He/she can count on me, no fear.
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Posted by Mr. Defense
Posted by krysrenee7
Cringe, die inside or be upset if your child came out of the closet as a homosexual at a very young age (not adulthood)?
Not necessarily a huge defiance to it but at least a tiny weeny bit?





I would, especially in the teenage phase where it seems to become fashionable to claim to be gay or bisexual. When I was that age, homosexuality or claiming to be gay was not widely accepted, so it would present a generational issue for me. It would be hard to support a teenager who came out of the closet. In adulthood, I wouldn't like it, but at least I know it's a real decision instead of just something that "other kids are doing".
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That is NOT fair!
I admire the young kids who are brave enough to come out at young ages & who inspire other young kids to not suffer in silence & to come out for the sake of their own sanity! So yes, coming out has become popular, but being gay isn't something you do for someone else! It's something you do for you & when you see others who are brave enough to do it, it's contagious!
If you're straight to the core, it won't matter how many people around you are coming out! Them coming out won't make YOU gay! But it'll def. bring out those others who were ALREADY GAY!

Research has concluded over & over again that homosexual adults knew long before they were adults that they were gay! Back in the day, they didn't come out of the closet b/c doing so meant being shamed & not b/c they "weren't gay until it became popular." lol
It's either in you or it's not. Some just choose to admit it & embrace it at a young age, while others take longer to prepare for the amount of guilt & shame they know they'll face by coming out. Just b/c a boy/girl comes out at 30 doesn't mean he 1st realized he was gay at 29! He probably knew when he was 5 but didn't say anything!!
If anything parents who discriminate against their own children but yet hate that society will judge them in the very same way is POPULAR!
Being gay isn't like trying drugs. Those kinds of things are experimented with b/c of peer pressure even if that's not truly "YOU" deep inside. Being gay is who you are just like being straight is who you are
You're not straight b/c it was popular to be straight! You were gonna be straight whether
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...You're not straight b/c it was popular to be straight! You were gonna be straight whether being straight was popular or not!
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A big part of the reason I feel some people cringe at this, like they do with society's judgment on interracial dating, or race in general, is that I hate the amount of discrimination they will face all b/c they were simply being themselves
How does it make sense to feel bad for my children & hate that society will judge them in this way if I'm gonna be at home judging/discriminating in the exact SAME way?
If I would hate for others to judge my son/daughter for being gay, why would I judge them myself?
I would cringe a little at this only b/c I know that kids these days have even killed themselves b/c of the discrimination they'll face in the real world, just like a parent with a disabled child would cringe at their child being disabled b/c they know discrimination is immanent!
I wouldn't actually judge them myself though. I'd just cringe b/c of my awareness that others would judge them.
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This is why my kids need to be raised in Africa.



You're going to move your kids from the best country in the world, to the worst continent in the world. No matter how you feel about Africa, no one in their right mind is going to say it's superior to the USA.


This cesspool? Really.



Yeah, richest country in the world, best infrastructure, great education, most dynamic economy, probably the best place for upward mobility, and best place for choices be it social, religious, or consumer wise. Yes America is such a dump.
How can we EVER compare with Africa with unstable politics, infant mortality rates, tribalism, dictatorships, economic imbalance, famine, ethnocentrism, despotism, and bad infrastructure.
Yes compared to Africa, America is a dump.
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Africans are still very content people within themselves. So all that doesn't matter when people aren't happy inside. Money can't buy love or happiness.
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Posted by krysrenee7
...You're not straight b/c it was popular to be straight! You were gonna be straight whether being straight was popular or not!



Exactly. And I told my mom when I was twelve though I knew what I was since I was eleven. Two years prior to the age of twelve, Matthew Shepherd had been killed due to his orientation, so it wasn't a "decision"(like I've said before, you don't pick who you like) and it wasn't "popular". "Popular" is claiming to be a bisexual female when you're really not. This isn't a jab at bis, it's just reality due to the actions of a shit ton of people who make those who are truly bisexual look bad.
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America is NOT the richest country in the world lol. What are you sniffing, MrD? Some European country IS the richest country in the world.
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Luxembourg is the richest country in the world. America is #7.
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Posted by WaterCup
Luxembourg is the richest country in the world. America is #7.


And yet SHUTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by tiziani
Posted by WaterCup
Luxembourg is the richest country in the world. America is #7.


Is that per capita income? Because I'm pretty sure cumulatively as a country China is number 1 and America 2.
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Luxembourg is #1 as a country.
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Posted by WaterCup
Luxembourg is the richest country in the world. America is #7.


And yet SHUTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What?
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Tiz, as of 2013 its Qatar & Luxembourg is #2. America is still #7 though.
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Posted by WaterCup
Luxembourg is the richest country in the world. America is #7.


And yet SHUTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What?
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Despite all the money we supposedly have, there's (supposedly) not enough to pay certain government workers that are apparently considered unnecessary and the ones considered necessary won't get paid for overtime. Meanwhile, the ones withholding their pay are earning millions which should really be applied to the country's debt. I thought the British were the ones worth the most. Aren't pounds worth more than dollars? *completely off topic*
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Posted by Mr. Defense
I really hate when people compare other Western societies to the USA. Not only do these countries lack the diversity of the USA, it also lack the history, the population, and a lot of the same dilemmas. It's quite annoying that people think you can run the USA which has over 300 million people, to a society like Norway which has 4 million.
When you start talking about social programs, population make a lot of difference. A huge one. Even places like Norway have issues with things like NHS, and it only has like 4-7 million people. The USA is like 30 times the population. When you talk about that level of coverage, you have a logistical nightmare on your hands.
But anyway, let's not get onto politics.
I have a big problem with LBGT intrusion into society. I'm am not against homosexuality, but I AM against trying to push it on kids. To me it's like indoctrination. I think people should be free to accept whom they want to. Some people aren't going to like, some people are. Trying to brainwash kids with LBGT propaganda isn't going to change that.
I think if an 11 year old comes up to you and say they are gay, it SHOULD be a problem. The same as if my 11 year old son came up to me and tell me he wants to have sex with his female teacher. I don't think kids that age should be concerned with their sexuality. It shouldn't be an issue or concern for them. Sexuality comes later in life. The fact that people think 11 or 12 year olds can make an educated decision on sexuality, shows me how out of touch we are as a society


You had no problem comparing Africa to the US- Africa also has way more people than the US. Why are you now bitching when we compare you to the big dogs IN YOUR LEVEL?
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You're out of touch with society because everyone who's asked how old I was when I knew(11) say that all their homosexual friends say the same thing. When girls are ten, we watch videos about menstruation and why it happens. Biology gets taught at the age of thirteen. It's not uncommon for people to start going through puberty at that age, but either you have conveniently forgotten this or probably had it start much later than the rest.
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Posted by WaterCup
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Posted by WaterCup
Luxembourg is the richest country in the world. America is #7.


And yet SHUTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What?


Despite all the money we supposedly have, there's (supposedly) not enough to pay certain government workers that are apparently considered unnecessary and the ones considered necessary won't get paid for overtime. Meanwhile, the ones withholding their pay are earning millions which should really be applied to the country's debt. I thought the British were the ones worth the most. Aren't pounds worth more than dollars? *completely off topic*
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Wow I didn't know that's what the 'shutdown' was about. That's hectic. The strongest money in the world is Dinar(sp?)
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Posted by WaterCup
Posted by 2N3R
Posted by WaterCup
Posted by 2N3R
Posted by WaterCup
Luxembourg is the richest country in the world. America is #7.


And yet SHUTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What?


Despite all the money we supposedly have, there's (supposedly) not enough to pay certain government workers that are apparently considered unnecessary and the ones considered necessary won't get paid for overtime. Meanwhile, the ones withholding their pay are earning millions which should really be applied to the country's debt. I thought the British were the ones worth the most. Aren't pounds worth more than dollars? *completely off topic*


Wow I didn't know that's what the 'shutdown' was about. That's hectic. The strongest money in the world is Dinar(sp?)
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That's one of the results of the shutdown, but what they're saying is that it happened because the Republicans and Democrats are still arguing over Obama Care. It's ridiculous.
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I'd be devastated if my boy was gay,not as much if it was my daughter thou..i'd even accept having a daughter that was full blown slut or stripper then a homosexual boy..
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LOL @ you telling an African about Africa. Alright. Most of the countries that are rich today are rich because of Africa..they stole from Africa for centuries. Now tell me how you expect us to recover so soon? It took years to steal from us, it'll take years to build it back & not a snap of a finger.
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And what do you mean by 'socially regressive'?
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American society is far from cruel and heartless. Our problem is that we try to be too forgiving and compassionate, which makes us so weak.


Compassion is not a weakness.
Have you ever seen a Norwegian prison? They look like hotels. They have one of the lowest murder rates. Their recidivism rate is 20% ...America's is 67% . Why, if Norwegians are treated more humanely, do they have a lower recidivism rate?
America IS weak, but not for any reasons that you've stated.
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But Norway is still comprised of predominantly Norwegians; no culture clash to speak of, yet.
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Immigration laws are probably super tight there in Norway. No one gets in kind of thing. Keeps the "riff raff" out maybe. I need to read up on Norway laws/immigration.
although...
Due to Norway's membership in the European Economic Area, migrants from the European Union as well as Iceland and Liechtenstein do not require any residency permits.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway
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Read The wealth of the West was built on exploitation of Africa.
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Posted by lisabethur8
Immigration laws are probably super tight there in Norway. No one gets in kind of thing. Keeps the "riff raff" out maybe. I need to read up on Norway laws/immigration.
although...
Due to Norway's membership in the European Economic Area, migrants from the European Union as well as Iceland and Liechtenstein do not require any residency permits.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway


The immigration laws have gotten "looser" as of late-- which is why I said "yet"
#Ethnicity">Ethnicity of Norway.
STATS, Norway gov.
I doubt their would be significant cultural differences between Norwegians and immigrants from Iceland or Liechtenstein.
I have no idea about the motivation behind Norway's historical immigration laws, though, and whether or not the laws were intended to keep the "riff-raff" out.
Tbh, I'm not sure what constitutes "riff-raff" from your perspective, either-- so... *shrugs*
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This is why my kids need to be raised in Africa.


Why? So your kid can grow up in even worse fear of being ridiculed, arrested, or killed just because of who they love?



You would see it that way. Have you guys ever thought about opening your minds to other people's ideals and ways of life, before condoning them.
It's highly egotistic to assume that your life style s and culture is superior, when from my point of view, it's sick, from the core (and i'm not discussing homosexuality), i'm talking about everything.


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Africa is NOT "gay-friendly", for lack of a better term.
It's still an offense punishable by death in many countries, to say nothing of the gross human rights violations.
Its' awful.
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Posted by tiziani
There's no real need for tight immigration laws in Norway. It's not a place where you can just arrive and say "we'll do whatever it takes to make it. Start from the bottom."
Starting from the bottom is getting into a family owned business doing logging, or drilling or any other remote type discipline where you can stand 10 months of snow per year. The rest is making GDP off of that or electronics, although the Fins tend to run electronics and internet.


That's a lot of damn snow. o.O
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Posted by lisabethur8
Immigration laws are probably super tight there in Norway. No one gets in kind of thing. Keeps the "riff raff" out maybe. I need to read up on Norway laws/immigration.
although...
Due to Norway's membership in the European Economic Area, migrants from the European Union as well as Iceland and Liechtenstein do not require any residency permits.
 from,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway


The immigration laws have gotten "looser" as of late-- which is why I said "yet"
#Ethnicity">Ethnicity of Norway.
STATS, Norway gov.
I doubt their would be significant cultural differences between Norwegians and immigrants from Iceland or Liechtenstein.
I have no idea about the motivation behind Norway's historical immigration laws, though, and whether or not the laws were intended to keep the "riff-raff" out.
Tbh, I'm not sure what constitutes "riff-raff" from your perspective, either-- so... *shrugs*

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The "undesirables" from their POV. I'm not an immigration law officer so I wouldn't know honestly. Some countries won't allow known felons in, that kind of thing. Or those who speak against Human rights, as a politician and aren't allowed in. Besides, Norway is COLD. Bahamas or the Maldives people!
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Kids get discriminated on for a lot of things: RACE, RELIGION, BEING DISABLED, BEING GAY, etc.
African American or inter-racial kids get bullied for their race all the time...should us black folks stop having children or embracing that they are black b/c a bunch of ignorant fools can't stop judging them? NO
Disabled kids get bullied/judged/laughed at all the time...should the parents of that child just hide them in the house or teach them not to embrace who they are & the cards they were dealt? NO!
Muslims & even Christians get crucified all the time...should we teach our kids that it's only ok to praise God when others aren't looking all b/c a bunch of ignorant people judge them or make fun of them for it?
Hell, women get discriminated against too. Should we start judging our daughters simply b/c they are "women" all b/c some screwed up society still can't process that women are equal? NO!
So how can we justify not encouraging our children to be who they really are, even if everybody else disagrees with it, when we would teach them the very same "Embrace who you are" mentality persay they faced discrimination in OTHER ways/areas? That's hypocrisy
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Posted by Mr. Defense
Sorry I don't take anything a teenager has to say seriously. Maybe if they were past 25, had time to explore, and then discovered they were gay, that would be fine. But if you're 15 years old, you don't know shit.


Mr. D., with all due respect, this is something you really don't know much about since you haven't had to be in those shoes. At the age of 15 did you know you were straight? Did you find females attractive? Or other males? Unless this is a case of being a late bloomer I'm fairly sure that males start popping woodies by then so there should have been a pretty good clue about what was appealing.
I've known about my orientation since I was about 8. My parents and siblings are all straight. If I ever met another gay person before the age of 17 I didn't know about it. And considering that my family regularly bashes on homosexuals and teaches that gays burn in hell I think it's safe to assume that mine isn't a case of learned behavior or wanting to be cool. If anything, I think of my ability to bond with males as being more of a learned behavior than the other way around, something of a survival technique.
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Mr. Defense...if YOU knew at 5 that you were straight & liked girls, why is it unreasonable to say that a kid knows they are gay & likes boys?
I can remember having a crush on a few boys in the 1st grade! I remember b/c my parents thought it was cute to scrapbook like every aspect of my childhood lol, like the times I came home & told them about some cute boy
I had no clue what sexuality meant...true, BUT I knew I liked boys. I didn't know that there was a technical term for it (being straight) but just b/c I didn't know what it meant, doesn't mean that I didn't know what I liked!!!!
Some of the gay men that used to play with barbies when they were 5 of course didn't know that it indicated they were "gay." BUT they knew something was different about them the minute adults were cool with him playing with trucks but not barbies, even though his little sister could play with both!!!
I didn't understand racism or race at all when I was 5 BUT I knew I was f'ing black though!
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Posted by Mr. Defense
Until they can live in an adult world and show they can make adult decisions, I'll take can't take any proclamations of their sexuality seriously.


Until adults can make adult decisions, your point is invalid. The world and its problems are not due to people still in school, ghey are due to people who are preoccupied over things that are not that big of a deal but they're too stupid to accept that the only reason whyI'm it affects them because they allow it to. I'm happy to say it is attitudes and bullshit like yours that made me have more capacity and be a decent person who learned to accept people as they are BEFORE I became an adult. A lot of people like to compare other people's behavior to children, but the reality is that children are much more mature(or mature in the first place) than the so called adults are. >_>
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