Zimmerman Trial Facts

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^^^ Above video was posted on youtube March 29 2012.
The purpose of this thread is for sorting some key facts.
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^^^ Above video was posted on youtube March 22 2012
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^^^ Above video was posted on youtube May 14 2012
(I am trying to find the best footage that filters out news media and politically oriented BS
out of the footage - that is raw footage and recordings - hard to find so some clips may have the
problematic twist and spin nonsense)
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^^^ Above video was posted on youtube June 21 2012
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THIS IS A CLUSTER FUCK
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Also I would like to hear from the eyewitnesses - neighbors and first responders - first reported eyewitness accounts transcripts and video clips are welcomed provided those transcripts and clips can verified by numerous sources and scrutinized for authenticity.
In case anyone is wondering, my personal target concerns the account provided by at least one 911 female caller who says that someone in a "white tee shirt" was on top.
I'd like to know who the first person was who came to the scene and what he/she observed -
Why? In the dark light colored fabric is going to look darker however it is going to look lighter than fabric of medium shade.
We know that Martin wore a grey "hoody" sweat jacket. Zimmerman wore a red and grey jacket, however
underneath Zimmerman's jacket is a grey shirt which would be dry. Martin's "hoody" was wet and thus
darker than it's dry shade.
That's what I am zeroing in on. Did Zimmerman take off his jacket moments before the altercation
began with Martin and put it back on after the fight before anyone showed up?
Follow up questions on that question, pending any corroborated eyewitness accounts.


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When I saw the side of Martin's uncovered body, I noted that the material of his "hoody"'s arms
were dark, and the front of the hoody dark as well - this is because it is wet, which would
"darken" the fabric. HOWEVER, the SIDE of the torso section of the garment was light grey.
I AM aware that it had been raining, I am aware the grass was wet. I am also aware that Martin
is seen on the 7/11 convenience store CCTV. That clip shows that the hoody appears wet, all over.
I have seen a still picture of the back of Zimmerman's Jacket and the back of his pant legs.
I was having trouble seeing telltale signs of grass stains as you might find on knees when the
fabric comes in excessive contact or pressure with grass.

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Zimmerman's jacket looked awfully pristine given what he just been through.
Again, IF he took his jacket off just prior to the physical altercation, he
may have been wearing a grey Tee shirt underneath and against a dark black background
grey might appear "white" to that 911 caller. - I'd like to verify if, in fact, Zimmerman
WAS wearing such a tee-shirt.
IF anyone knows with a source, please share it.
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^^^ Above video was posted on youtube March 29 2012.
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Why the hell did he put a pacifier in his mouth standing at the cash register?

Was he rolling?
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Posted by P-Angel
Why the hell did he put a pacifier in his mouth standing at the cash register?

Was he rolling?


A pacifier??? a 17 year old "child" with a pacifier????
Must be my monitor... gotta look at that again.
Funny thing about that "child" description. My Grand-dad joined the US Army when he was 17 years old
and went off to fight "The War To End All Wars". That's WW1 (28 July 1914 - 11 November 1918), kids.
He was underage. Big difference between "children" back then and the ones, today. BIG Difference.
Speaking of child... Just heard Zimmerman may be charged with child abuse. I almost broke the floor when my jaw dropped.
Looks like in Florida, you can walk down the street and some punk can come up to you and beat you to
a bloody pulp and basically get away with it because IF you use deadly force in defense of your life, person or property, you're screwed. Clever way to screw with the right to keep and bear arms. "Oh sure... you can have a gun, but you better not defend yourself with it, or it's curtains for YOU."
IMHO, with the problems Counselor West is experiencing with the State's shenanigans, and the media
blitz to bury Zimmerman in the public's mind, while playing a peculiar head game with gun control.
I heard something about Attorney General Eric Holder, possibly even the President, may be pulling some political strings or sway that is influencing the decisions being made by the judge, presiding.
Like... "make damned sure this man does not get acquitted". Gut feeling with that suspicion.
I learned at a VERY early and young age of seven, NOT to blindly trust the legal system.
so... when you can't trust the legal system to get it right. - and nothing can be done about it.
IMHO, when a court convenes whatever charges are made, the court should abide by those original charges
and not be playing these games of changing the rules after the defense has rest it's case and just before case is handed to the jury to decide. - We have to remember the State has all the resources in the world. No Defense does NOT have an army the size of government employees.

I honestly wonder if Zimmerman is convicted if it wasn't politically caused.
Something's up.
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That's not a pacifier??? It's a necklace or something I think.
When there are shots of his face you can tell it's something small and linear.
This is exactly what the media does...
"why does he have a pacifier in his mouth?"
"was he rolling?"
innocent speculation?
hmmm...
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^^^ Above video was posted on youtube April 10 2012.
Martin Family Counselor Benjamin Crump explains intent of pursuing the special
prosecution in response to Sanford PD not arresting and filing charges against George Zimmerman.
Crump warns that if case is not brought to trial by the special prosecutor, in the spirit of equal justice under the law, to paraphrase, "pandemonium could break out not only in the US but all over the world".

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^^^ Above video was posted on youtube April 11 2012.
US Attorney General Eric Holder comments on Trayvon Martin Case.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin
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Posted by xygeneration
I just wonder why Zimmerman aimed to the chest when he can just shoot him on the legs or arms. Shooting him right around the chest area means he was intending to kill Trayvon. Duh. If you're a licensed gun owner and your ass is trained for a job, they teach you these things.
This situation could have been handled a lot better.



Law Enforcement are trained to kill and use discretion when situations call for it.
There are NUMEROUS incidences where law enforcement will shoot to kill if they feel
their life is threatened. In recent decades, these incidences have occurred when the suspect
has not laid a finger on the officer, yet the suspect was killed and life goes on.

My question would is this:
IF Zimmerman had been a Law Enforcement Officer (LEO), would the questions you just asked
concerning Zimmerman the citizen, who in his mind was in fear of life endangerment, killed Martin. - that is, a LEO did this would the same questions and accusations and charges be brought???
If yes, why?
If not, why?
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I am researching the validity of this trial in the first place.
It "MAY" be in violation of US civil code. (research required)
Why? for starters, let's go back to the phone call Zimmerman made to the non-911 number.
(Remember "911" is for definite emergencies - I don't think you report suspicious activities via 911)
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Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK...
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
Dispatcher: OK--you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...
Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the--he's near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
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Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is. Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance...fucking [unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George...He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman
Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?
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Zimmerman: [redacted by Mother Jones]
Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that's my truck...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman: I don't know, it's a cut through so I don't know the address.
Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.
Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
Zimmerman: Yeah that's fine.
Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that's no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [redacted by Mother Jones]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I'll let them know to call you when you're in the area.
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Zimmerman: Thanks.
Dispatcher: You're welcome
Source: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
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Transcript end.
For audio Refer to first video posted on page one (My original post in this thread) at the top for audio.

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Note: in that first youtube clip, there are 8 calls. The first call on that video is the Zimmerman call to Sanford Police Dept.
Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Extract:
"Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes."
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Observational Comment:
I have heard the numerous allegations that Zimmerman is a racist and was profiling.
First of all, according to the audio, Zimmerman was NOT the first person to invoke skin color.
It was the Dispatcher when he asked: "Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?"
All Zimmerman said was "Zimmerman: He looks black."
IMHO, the alleged "racism" hangs on that point. That does NOT sound like racism at all.
Zimmerman was responding to the Dispatcher's question: "Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?"
that is what he was doing. Truthfully answering a valid and legitimate question.
As for the reason for the call:
"Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. "
Gotta have a valid reason to call the cops... the foregoing was the reason which was "Suspicious Activity".
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Posted by CluelessCancer
Zimmerman is a bitch ass motherfucker who was DENIED from ever being a COP so he took out his worthless insecurities on an innocent boy. & Now we are hearing he has abused children, he probably got raped by his judge daddy too, he could never measure up.
loser.



Abused children? Do you have legal documents to prove what you just said or are you expressing an opinion
based on rumor?
Why wasn't this brought forward by the Prosecution from the start?
Mind you, I am attempting to be objective and unbiased. IF you have information such as a rap sheet, past charges of such conduct, please share them. Otherwise, you may be engaging in perpetuating a few civil violations against Mr. Zimmerman if the charges you cite are untrue.
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How tall was Trayvon Martin and how tall was George Zimmerman??
IF I recall, correctly, Trayvon Martin is taller than George Zimmerman.
With regard to weight, how heavy was George Zimmerman and how heavy was Trayvon Martin
at the time of the incident?
Also, mind you that there are juveniles (under 18) who have murdered people so don't think
that because Travon Martin was 17 years old that he was a little baby, a toddler, young adolescent
below half Zimmerman's stature.
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"IF I recall, correctly, Trayvon Martin was taller than George Zimmerman."
correction, "is" to "was". editing typo.
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Posted by CluelessCancer
P-Angel you just got unfavorited,mocking a dead boy, because you're inherently racist.
disgusting.



I haven't personally seen P-angel call anyone any a racial slur, if you have any proof, again, I think
you need to quote and link. Otherwise, if you have no proof, then why post such a comment in a thread
that is trying to stay impartially focused on facts and not emotions while seeking to resolve
some unanswered questions?

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A side note observation: when the dispatcher said "Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?"
How come he left out other ethnic groups? Seems the Dispatcher's own words violates disenfranchisment
by means of excluding "Asians, Middle Eastern or Native Americans" - I haven't seen nor heard any
uproar from these groups. IF anyone else has, please post any such reports.
Perhaps members of these three racial groups that WERE mentioned in the Dispatcher's multiple choice list, were known to have been cited in the multitudes of calls and crimes in the recent past in Sanford.
I wonder how come white people came first in the selection of options in the Dispatcher's multiple choice list.
On the other hand....
Why have a description list at all??? Just leave as "Suspect" is described as wearing.....
Of course, a suspect can change clothing and suddenly disappear because the suspect's skin color
cannot be allowed for fear of injury to sensitive predudices.
Sometimes, I am demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. But, these are legit questions. But one never knows, sometimes.
Anyway.....
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Posted by xygeneration
Height has nothing to with strength



True but when your head is bouncing up and down off the concrete, it doesn't appear to have any
physical advantage.
Remember, Zimmerman was described as a "Softie", someone who couldn't fight. Many people are
like that and they have to compensate some way. What IF Zimmerman was really 800 lbs?
And Travon was jumping up and down on him like he were a human trampoline? I can tell you
that such an experience might cause some reason for fear of life endangerment when the
ability to breath seems to challenged. I think it is unreasonable to assume that just because
a man is heavier, means he is stronger. Body weight does NOT interpret as strength.
Robert Earl Hughes was heavier than Arnold Schwarzenegger, even WWF's famous wrestler "The Giant".
But that doesn't mean Mr. Hughes would be stronger.
From what I have seen, Mr. Martin appeared to be in better shape, after all, he was 11 years YOUNGER than Mr. Zimmerman.
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Posted by xygeneration
If he's a softie, his ass should have stayed in the car. When you're in that type of job you measure the individual that you want to approach, you observe if its safe to approach.



x, he was a "volunteer", if I understand Neighborhood Watch, correctly. He didn't have to
involve himself in the program. He chose to. IF you listen to that first audio clip,
you will hear others who say, "I don't want to go outside" and "GET BACK IN HERE!".
So, he was out there where others were afraid to go. Unfortunately, people forget
about "heroes" sometimes and instantly exchange the word "Hero" for something worthy of
loathing. Just because the circumstances don't suit their philosophies and opinions etc.
Also, he was in his OWN neighborhood, and he was doing what he thought was the right thing
according to being a good citizen and according to the call, it sounds like he was trying
to go by the rules.
Furthermore, following the then suspect was NOT, repeat NOT against the law. Something people
need to truly understand. Something else, there is what is called "Citizen's Arrest" people
seem to have forgotten that concept, as well. But it happens every day.

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^^^ so in short he had a right to be there, he was also reporting a potential crime.
Imagine had it NOT been who we now know as Trayvon Martin, 17 year old "Child" who was
killed that night, but someone whom Zimmerman saw and a crime was committed:
(One caller talked about an elderly man who lived a few doors away from her residence -
she's one of the callers in the very first clip on page 1, again)
Suppose that elderly man was murdered and Zimmerman could have stopped it.
IMHO, it's REALLY a tragic case of two people who engaged one another and one lost his life.
That Sanford PD let Zimmerman go in the first place was because there was no substantial evidence
to support that the incident was a crime.
Bill Lee lost his job over it. And THAT may one day come to light.
However, I have questions which aim at a much LARGER issue that no one seems to have noted.
And that is the possibility members of the Justice Dept. pursued Zimmerman with it's Special
Prosecutor on the grounds of Profiling, when in fact, the Dispatcher asked Zimmerman the suspect's
race and Zimmerman simply replied in truth.
There seems to be something a LOT bigger than Zimmerman. Something on the level of violation
of a US citizen's Constitutional Rights to a FAIR trial and it could go all the way to the Supreme
Court and there may be some issues with the ATTY GEN. if NOT the POTU, himself.
Was this done as a political favor??? And why?
Is anyone paying attention to what I just said?
This "could" be HUGE in the future. IF Zimmerman is convicted, he will no doubt appeal.
IMHO, it's pretty bizarre and something to watch for and study.



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I don't think they'll find zimmerman guilty of second degree murder or guilty for anything near murder. Zimmerman didn't have the intention to kill trayvon. I don't know what the circumstances would be to get involuntary manslaughter charge, but thats just saying you get charged with a crime if you kill someone accidentally in self defense. they're trying to get zimmerman on concealing his weapon but he had a conceal carry permit. If they do get him on involuntary manslaughter or more, i'd be surprise. its up to the jury getting paid their minimum wage
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Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by xygeneration
If he's a softie, his ass should have stayed in the car. When you're in that type of job you measure the individual that you want to approach, you observe if its safe to approach.



x, he was a "volunteer", if I understand Neighborhood Watch, correctly. He didn't have to
involve himself in the program. He chose to. IF you listen to that first audio clip,
you will hear others who say, "I don't want to go outside" and "GET BACK IN HERE!".
So, he was out there where others were afraid to go. Unfortunately, people forget
about "heroes" sometimes and instantly exchange the word "Hero" for something worthy of
loathing. Just because the circumstances don't suit their philosophies and opinions etc.
Also, he was in his OWN neighborhood, and he was doing what he thought was the right thing
according to being a good citizen and according to the call, it sounds like he was trying
to go by the rules.
Furthermore, following the then suspect was NOT, repeat NOT against the law. Something people
need to truly understand. Something else, there is what is called "Citizen's Arrest" people
seem to have forgotten that concept, as well. But it happens every day.




Yeah I get that, there's also False Arrest.
Citizens Arrest applies when you have good reason to detain the individual. You need to have proof of your arrest.
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My point is that when Zimmerman was on the phone with dispatch, to him, Trayvon Martin was acting suspicious. He clearly states his suspicion at the beginning of his report to the Sanford PD Dispatch who also thought it was suspicious enough to send an officer to the scene.
Unfortunately, the officer had not arrived in time. This is an example of the consequences of not having enough officers to cover a given territory. (same idea for fire and medical teams) Government flaw, once again.

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Posted by xygeneration
Potential crime doesnt always lead to an actual crime.
The individual has to commit an actual crime before arrest
Its like, if you're in a store. You can roam around and do facks. Secret security will follow you around the store. Not unless you break, be a nuisance or steal (need to leave store to be considered theft) or vandalize, no one can arrest you or even interrogate you. No matter how much of a sketchbag you look.



The trouble is, "potential" crime is STILL a potential crime and IF we put our heads in the sand or
we can be vigilant in our surroundings. In fact, the President of the US, has admonished all Americans
to be vigilant. Again, in Martin's case, he appeared "suspicious". Remember, the neighborhood had already experienced criminal activity before, I refer to my prior comments earlier in this thread.
I also cite the neighbor witness for whom, Zimmerman had installed a deadbolt or lock of some kind on a back door, following a break in which she armed herself with a pair of scissors. - See why Zimmerman
would think someone behaving suspiciously would be reason to call Sanford PD in the first place?
Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
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^^^ so in short he had a right to be there, he was also reporting a potential crime.
Imagine had it NOT been who we now know as Trayvon Martin, 17 year old "Child" who was
killed that night, but someone whom Zimmerman saw and a crime was committed:
(One caller talked about an elderly man who lived a few doors away from her residence -
she's one of the callers in the very first clip on page 1, again)
Suppose that elderly man was murdered and Zimmerman could have stopped it.
IMHO, it's REALLY a tragic case of two people who engaged one another and one lost his life.
That Sanford PD let Zimmerman go in the first place was because there was no substantial evidence
to support that the incident was a crime.
Bill Lee lost his job over it. And THAT may one day come to light.
However, I have questions which aim at a much LARGER issue that no one seems to have noted.
And that is the possibility members of the Justice Dept. pursued Zimmerman with it's Special
Prosecutor on the grounds of Profiling, when in fact, the Dispatcher asked Zimmerman the suspect's
race and Zimmerman simply replied in truth.
There seems to be something a LOT bigger than Zimmerman. Something on the level of violation
of a US citizen's Constitutional Rights to a FAIR trial and it could go all the way to the Supreme
Court and there may be some issues with the ATTY GEN. if NOT the POTU, himself.
Was this done as a political favor??? And why?
Is anyone paying attention to what I just said?
This "could" be HUGE in the future. IF Zimmerman is convicted, he will no doubt appeal.
IMHO, it's pretty bizarre and something to watch for and study.






I am. Winking
Angela Corey, Florida State Attorney, has been well-loved by those who were employed by her office.
The move-- that is, the arrest of Zimmerman based solely on public outcry (remember, elected officials)-- had those who were previously singing her praises, shaking their heads in confusion.
I'm being generous.
Good questions, Mr. Firebird.
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It is my opinion that Trayvon Martin used words that would justifiably be called "racist"
Words are "Cracka" and "Nigga" -
Miss Jeantel is conveying what Martin said.
- Personally, I would like to have heard the actual phone conversation in order to hear EXACTLY what Trayvon Martin, himself, said.
I am puzzled why I haven't heard this. - Did he say a lot more that might be inconvenient to
the prosecution's case? Why did Rachel Jeantel alter her story on this specific detail?
Once again:
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
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Posted by MrFirebird
^^^ so in short he had a right to be there, he was also reporting a potential crime.
Imagine had it NOT been who we now know as Trayvon Martin, 17 year old "Child" who was
killed that night, but someone whom Zimmerman saw and a crime was committed:
(One caller talked about an elderly man who lived a few doors away from her residence -
she's one of the callers in the very first clip on page 1, again)
Suppose that elderly man was murdered and Zimmerman could have stopped it.
IMHO, it's REALLY a tragic case of two people who engaged one another and one lost his life.
That Sanford PD let Zimmerman go in the first place was because there was no substantial evidence
to support that the incident was a crime.
Bill Lee lost his job over it. And THAT may one day come to light.
However, I have questions which aim at a much LARGER issue that no one seems to have noted.
And that is the possibility members of the Justice Dept. pursued Zimmerman with it's Special
Prosecutor on the grounds of Profiling, when in fact, the Dispatcher asked Zimmerman the suspect's
race and Zimmerman simply replied in truth.
There seems to be something a LOT bigger than Zimmerman. Something on the level of violation
of a US citizen's Constitutional Rights to a FAIR trial and it could go all the way to the Supreme
Court and there may be some issues with the ATTY GEN. if NOT the POTU, himself.
Was this done as a political favor??? And why?
Is anyone paying attention to what I just said?
This "could" be HUGE in the future. IF Zimmerman is convicted, he will no doubt appeal.
IMHO, it's pretty bizarre and something to watch for and study.






I am. Winking
Angela Corey, Florida State Attorney, has been well-loved by those who were employed by her office.
The move-- that is, the arrest of Zimmerman based solely on public outcry (remember, elected officials)-- had those who were previously singing her praises, shaking their heads in confusion.
I'm being generous.
Good questions, Mr. Firebird.
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Thank you, Montgomery. - it's something I think needs to be sorted out and clearly understood.
Knowledge and suspicion may have been around awhile, but it has only come recently to my attention in the last day or so... - I am sensing something isn't quite right - I connect this with the way
Judge Nelson handled Zimmerman Defense objections at the time of asking if Zimmerman
wanted to testify or not. Also, the business of Manslaughter and Felony with Child Abuse language
on Thursday (yesterday).
Almost makes me wonder if Sharpton and Jackson "may" have done Zimmerman a favor.
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Martin Atty Benj. Crump is one individual, whom I understand pushed the button that ultimately alerted the Justice Dept.
I don't know nor do I think there is anything wrong with what Crump did, by the way.
But, the Justice Dept. getting involved and as I THINK Eric Holder had stated that the Martin family
was personally visited. And the Special Prosecutor pursued this case to trial.
Thursday night Sean Hannity had a panel on which Judge Alex and Jose Baez (Casey Anthony lead Attorney)
Baez said at one point, he didn't think this case should have been brought to trial.
Many Legal experts on various programs on CNN, HLN, Fox News, MSNBC and elsewhere have made
comments with regard to Judge Nelson pushed and controlled the course of the proceedings
the day Zimmerman was asked if he wanted to testify, and the day after when Manslaughter option was entered into the jury instruction. - I do need to catch up the details from a year ago as to how
the Special Prosecutor was brought in.
Also, A notation of the Bill Lee interview played back on one of Anderson Cooper's programs either
Wednesday or Thursday (July 10 or July 11, 2013)

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I didnt get racist from reading that transcript either, more steretyping, but I could definitely see why Trayvon ran. Clearly Zimmerman was following close enough to where Trayvon could see.
Im curiuos as to what type of vehicle Zimmerman was in. Being followed by what looks to be a regular guy could be a fight or flight situation for anybody. To my understanding Zimmerman never identified himself as a neighborhood watch guy either.
Im honestly not following this, well i am, but only thru here and other message boards. IF Zimmerman continued to follow him after he was told not to, he was the initiator. On the transcipt he said he would stop, but he continued Im assuming. You cant follow someone, not identify yourself as a person of some kind of authority, and cry self defense if you are attacked or even initiate the attack by now being suspicious to that person.
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(well, it's about 9 pm EST) time to watch.
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Excellent defense closing statements - weather observation noted = wind. Zimmerman wasn't running...
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Plain clothed security in the courtroom? ear piece observed.
court takes 15 min recess. 10:00a EST.
Judge would not allow full animation only stills in the animation.
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What'd I tell ya???
Trayvon used the concrete as HIS weapon.
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Yeah seriously,
how is something considered self defense if you picked the fight?!
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