Zimmerman Trial Facts
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Posted by SUT3point0Posted by brianafay
yeppppp. real nice
lol sorry feelin mad ignorant right nowclick to expand
lol
nah, you're not though, that's point.
***the point
Posted by brianafayPosted by natural25Posted by brianafay
I look at this case as two people (not a black kid shot by a white man) as everyone else should.
That's how I come to the conclusion I have. Making it a racial issue is not even productive.
On another note...I didn't even know people still used the word "cracker" lmao
& it kind of offends me that when that girl testified and said Trayvon called Zimmerman that everyone said she only said it because she was "young and emotional"
Had it been a different scenario...like someone testifying Zimmerman had used a similar racial slur for Trayvon...there would have been a fucking riot.
Well in this case Zimmerman one upped Martin, now didn't he...
I'm sorry if you took what I said as some kind of attempt at racially one upping?
I just think it's sad how this case, and others like it, ends up being justification for racist bullshit on both sides. I don't understand why it always has to go there. Why can't it just be one person shot by another, you know?
I'm white though, so as I've been told a million times probably I wouldn't understand.click to expand
It's all good.
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
SUT - What is your points? Why did you post those songs?
Im trying to provide inspiration and motivation for when Zimmerman gets of lolclick to expand
How about you not perpetuate negative stereotypes because your'e better than that..
#intellingentBlackman
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
SUT - What is your points? Why did you post those songs?
Im trying to provide inspiration and motivation for when Zimmerman gets of lol
How about you not perpetuate negative stereotypes because your'e better than that..
#intellingentBlackman
-_-click to expand
Hi sweet pea
If you were in front of me, I would pull you by your ear right now! Smh....
#elevate
#elevate
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
If you were in front of me, I would pull you by your ear right now! Smh....
#elevate
you're so funny
Im like 50 levels into this knowledge of self shyt.click to expand
Good. Act like it.
Posted by SUT3point0
but
........
your'e cute...
but don't try that Sag boyish charm on me. I know allll about it.
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25Posted by SUT3point0Posted by natural25
If you were in front of me, I would pull you by your ear right now! Smh....
#elevate
you're so funny
Im like 50 levels into this knowledge of self shyt.
Good. Act like it.
practice what you preach #gonatural.click to expand
#Iam
I use all natural hair care products. With the exception of my hair color... He he he
My other pics were taken on the RARE occasion I get my hair flat ironed.
But in all my pics, with the exception of the hair color, it's all natural. All my hair.
lol @ xy
Posted by SUT3point0
goldie locs
Literally.
Ok, back to the facts.
A note on Jury Instruction in layman's terms.
What a jury is required to do is COMPARE the evidence with the set of
rules provided by the instructions given to them and pick the most appropriate
match. That is, which rule describes the case presented to you the jury
Is it choice A? Choice B? Or Choice C?
In the Zimmerman trial, like all trials, THAT is what the Jury's job is.
IF the law is shady and grey, it would be natural for the Jury to ask for
clarification of the law - the set of rules "instructions" they are given.
Personal opinion: It seems to me, as I understand it, the jury doesn't really
decide guilt or innocence, but in reality are deciding a multiple choice set
of questions.
1+1=2
1+2=3
1+4=6
that's it -
that's what it sounds like to me.
Verdict has been reached.
A note on Jury Instruction in layman's terms.
What a jury is required to do is COMPARE the evidence with the set of
rules provided by the instructions given to them and pick the most appropriate
match. That is, which rule describes the case presented to you the jury
Is it choice A? Choice B? Or Choice C?
In the Zimmerman trial, like all trials, THAT is what the Jury's job is.
IF the law is shady and grey, it would be natural for the Jury to ask for
clarification of the law - the set of rules "instructions" they are given.
Personal opinion: It seems to me, as I understand it, the jury doesn't really
decide guilt or innocence, but in reality are deciding a multiple choice set
of questions.
1+1=2
1+2=3
1+4=6
that's it -
that's what it sounds like to me.
Verdict has been reached.
Jury has yet to announce their decision.
Point I am making above, is that it almost seems that if the law states that the defendant
committed the act, even though the truth was self-defense, it could STILL be grounds for guilt.
That is..... Was the victim killed by the defendant? Yes - then he is guilty.
I need to read that set of instructions because I don't recall how specific it was.
The laws can be double-meaning.
Point I am making above, is that it almost seems that if the law states that the defendant
committed the act, even though the truth was self-defense, it could STILL be grounds for guilt.
That is..... Was the victim killed by the defendant? Yes - then he is guilty.
I need to read that set of instructions because I don't recall how specific it was.
The laws can be double-meaning.
not guilty, who didn't see that coming
JURY VERDICT: NOT GUILTY
Now.
The question is, whether or not Benjamin Crump, NAACP Justice Dept., President of the United States, State of Florida has violated George Zimmerman's Civil Rights.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that is the NEXT Big question.
Will Zimmerman ever live in peace? No. That terrible night is forever etched in his memory.
Will Zimmerman ever feel safe? Due to the promotion of hate, by certain groups, mainstream media
who made Zimmerman famous.... all it takes is one loon to murder a man who was found not guilty.
No doubt, there will ALSO can be a Wrongful Death Civil Trial.
In that trial, Zimmerman may be forced to talk.
The question is, whether or not Benjamin Crump, NAACP Justice Dept., President of the United States, State of Florida has violated George Zimmerman's Civil Rights.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that is the NEXT Big question.
Will Zimmerman ever live in peace? No. That terrible night is forever etched in his memory.
Will Zimmerman ever feel safe? Due to the promotion of hate, by certain groups, mainstream media
who made Zimmerman famous.... all it takes is one loon to murder a man who was found not guilty.
No doubt, there will ALSO can be a Wrongful Death Civil Trial.
In that trial, Zimmerman may be forced to talk.
Please everyone. no gloating.
Travon Martin lost his life. Zimmerman will be dogged the rest of his days.
Nobody "won"
There are no winners when pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.
As for the rest of us - I hope we can learn this lesson: Do unto others as you would have others
do unto you. IF you want to be treated like trash, all you have to do is treat others like trash...... Sooner or later, you will get what you had wanted.
IMHO, Peace is greater than Victory.
Travon Martin lost his life. Zimmerman will be dogged the rest of his days.
Nobody "won"
There are no winners when pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.
As for the rest of us - I hope we can learn this lesson: Do unto others as you would have others
do unto you. IF you want to be treated like trash, all you have to do is treat others like trash...... Sooner or later, you will get what you had wanted.
IMHO, Peace is greater than Victory.
I am trying to stay focused and impartial.
As for "No Justice No Peace" in the case of Travon Martin's death:
Zimmerman has been brought to trial for the death of Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman has been found "NOT GUILTY"
Justice has been served.
Let there be peace.
No doubt, the issue of guns and overturning laws is going to be the big buzzword in the face of
no riots - media always needs to have something negative to talk about.
Ever hear the saying "No news is good news"?
That's why.
As for "No Justice No Peace" in the case of Travon Martin's death:
Zimmerman has been brought to trial for the death of Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman has been found "NOT GUILTY"
Justice has been served.
Let there be peace.
No doubt, the issue of guns and overturning laws is going to be the big buzzword in the face of
no riots - media always needs to have something negative to talk about.
Ever hear the saying "No news is good news"?
That's why.
I feel so sorry for Trayvons family.
CNN Ticker Tape 1230a
NAACP is outraged and heartbroken....... NAACP will pursue Civil Rights Charges.....
Then something about Justice Dept pursuing Civil Rights Violation Charges, as well.
My question: Who are you pursuing, NAACP?
NAACP is outraged and heartbroken....... NAACP will pursue Civil Rights Charges.....
Then something about Justice Dept pursuing Civil Rights Violation Charges, as well.
My question: Who are you pursuing, NAACP?
Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK...
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK...
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
^^^^ Somebody please explain to me how Zimmerman violated anyone's civil rights.
What SPECIFIC law was violated?????
What SPECIFIC law was violated?????
Money????? Damage control???
Benjamin Kruidbos
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing
Now, let's find kruidbos testimony.
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Benjamin Kruidbos
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing
Now, let's find kruidbos testimony.
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Zimmerman can now add murderer and liar to his resume right under his assault on a cop, firing from a security job for assaulting a female patron, and a restraining order filed against him for domestic violence. The only thing he'll be able to do now is creep out of his house at 2am to go to a Taco Bell drive-thru. Karma's a bitch.
eye for an eye is what i say,fuck it...
hopefully some random white kid who's walking down the street,minding his business get his face blown off soon
hopefully some random white kid who's walking down the street,minding his business get his face blown off soon
Posted by geminicandle
Trust me. I work in legal field.
They arrest people for petty crimes, while killers get off free.
If you can't afford a good atty, you are screwed here.
There is no justice here. This was politically charged case, but justice was not served.
I hate Florida. What an IDIOTic state. SMFH!
"In his February 27, 2001 address to a Joint Session of Congress, President George W. Bush declared: "Racial profiling is wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our nation's brave police officers. They protect us every day -- often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve."[7]"
#Legality
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Again, I am requesting some assistance as to EXACTLY what racial profiling is.
I am looking for absolute factual laws - not opinions
In tandem with my previous post, above, here is my understanding:
As it stands, Racial Profiling appears to forbid any of us from looking at anyone who
remotely appears suspicious as suspicious.
In effect, it sounds like it is a violation of Civil Rights to observe someone's strange and
suspicious behavior which suggest criminal activity and report it to authorities.
IS my understanding correct??????
I am looking for absolute factual laws - not opinions
In tandem with my previous post, above, here is my understanding:
As it stands, Racial Profiling appears to forbid any of us from looking at anyone who
remotely appears suspicious as suspicious.
In effect, it sounds like it is a violation of Civil Rights to observe someone's strange and
suspicious behavior which suggest criminal activity and report it to authorities.
IS my understanding correct??????
Posted by MrFirebird
"In his February 27, 2001 address to a Joint Session of Congress, President George W. Bush declared: "Racial profiling is wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our nation's brave police officers. They protect us every day -- often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve."[7]"
#Legality
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" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling#Legality
Ummm hello??????
Can anyone at all confirm my question, previous post???
Can anyone at all confirm my question, previous post???
Posted by geminicandle
What was your question again?
Thanks for answering, gemini
I am trying understand the definition of "Racial Profiling".
What is Racial Profiling? What are some examples other than those alleged to have
occured by Zimmerman.
Some actual laws would be nice, too, please.
Posted by MrFirebirdPosted by geminicandle
What was your question again?
Thanks for answering, gemini
I am trying understand the definition of "Racial Profiling".
What is Racial Profiling? What are some examples other than those alleged to have
occured by Zimmerman.
Some actual laws would be nice, too, please.click to expand
PS, what is the specific Civil Rights Violation that Zimmerman committed?
I've heard people say "He is a racist" etc but I want to know the very SPECIFIC
offense those allegations of racial profiling refer to.
People, please refrain from the back and forth insults, or take it elsewhere.
Posted by Nemesis
european news broadcasted it a bit - it was not a sensation over here. they showed the verdict being spoken. riots have not been mentionend (yet) only showed protestors outside the court building. this could really escalate though.
Well, I for one hope for peace as does the Travon Martin family and the Zimmerman family.
IMHO, the US Mainstream media may likely feel otherwise. - It would be a field day for them.
Yes, it could escalate IF a shot rings out.
Over here, there are many groups who just don't get along.
Whether or not a riot breaks out, which I don't think will happen on the scale of the LA riots,
but for every action there is a reaction. - Again, I honestly don't think it's going to be anything
that bad - I haven't heard of anything yet. I was saying earlier that IF it broke out, it could escalate. - I think we are living in different times now, than back then, though so, it's all IFFY.
Posted by NemesisPosted by MrFirebird
People, please refrain from the back and forth insults, or take it elsewhere.
wiki provides a very extensive article about it .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profilingclick to expand
I read the wiki article but I am wondering what people on the street think it is and if they can
provide the actual law. - From what I have seen, it does NOT look like Zimmerman had violated
anyone's rights as Civil Rights Attorney, the NAACP have alleged.
In your country how do you report a suspected crime in progress?
What happened was really a tragedy. i feel bad for Trayvons family, and am sad/worried about the fall out from the trial.
@MrFirebird cannot help but feel you are trolling a bit in light of something very serious. Life and death is not something to be flippant about, of course people are going to be emotional. That is why the justice system exist in the first place, to provide subjective judgement, although it can be corrupted.
Aside from the link that Nemesis provided, i have a question for you that may assist you in your trouble understanding racial profiling.
How many bald, white males do you see getting pulled over based on their similar appearance to a skinhead?
How many airport screening checks have you seen focused on nordic looking males after the 2011 Norway attacks?
How many upper middle class suburban white high school-college boys do you see getting questioned since columbine?
Or the Aurora bombings?
Or Oklahoma?
The reason why racial profiling is flawed is because you cannot racially profile a crime. It is ridiculous.
People often talk about middle Easterners as terrorist, but their are other active groups in the US that are much more a threat on a daily basis.
Hate groups, nationalist groups, gangs.Everyone kills, everyone commits crimes, and no one group is more likely than another.
@MrFirebird cannot help but feel you are trolling a bit in light of something very serious. Life and death is not something to be flippant about, of course people are going to be emotional. That is why the justice system exist in the first place, to provide subjective judgement, although it can be corrupted.
Aside from the link that Nemesis provided, i have a question for you that may assist you in your trouble understanding racial profiling.
How many bald, white males do you see getting pulled over based on their similar appearance to a skinhead?
How many airport screening checks have you seen focused on nordic looking males after the 2011 Norway attacks?
How many upper middle class suburban white high school-college boys do you see getting questioned since columbine?
Or the Aurora bombings?
Or Oklahoma?
The reason why racial profiling is flawed is because you cannot racially profile a crime. It is ridiculous.
People often talk about middle Easterners as terrorist, but their are other active groups in the US that are much more a threat on a daily basis.
Hate groups, nationalist groups, gangs.Everyone kills, everyone commits crimes, and no one group is more likely than another.
Posted by journey4time
What happened was really a tragedy. i feel bad for Trayvons family, and am sad/worried about the fall out from the trial.
@MrFirebird cannot help but feel you are trolling a bit in light of something very serious. Life and death is not something to be flippant about, of course people are going to be emotional. That is why the justice system exist in the first place, to provide subjective judgement, although it can be corrupted.
Aside from the link that Nemesis provided, i have a question for you that may assist you in your trouble understanding racial profiling.
How many bald, white males do you see getting pulled over based on their similar appearance to a skinhead?
How many airport screening checks have you seen focused on nordic looking males after the 2011 Norway attacks?
How many upper middle class suburban white high school-college boys do you see getting questioned since columbine?
Or the Aurora bombings?
Or Oklahoma?
The reason why racial profiling is flawed is because you cannot racially profile a crime. It is ridiculous.
People often talk about middle Easterners as terrorist, but their are other active groups in the US that are much more a threat on a daily basis.
Hate groups, nationalist groups, gangs.Everyone kills, everyone commits crimes, and no one group is more likely than another.
I am NOT trolling for anything... I am fact finding. and I am trying to remain objective.
You haven't read everything I have posted - so... it would help to do so in order to catch up
to understanding where I am now. I am the one who started this thread.
You DO understand that there IS some validity as to the very real and current question of
whether or not George Zimmerman's Civil Rights were violated. - IF So it could be VERY Scandalous.
I am NOT making that up.
It's not about emotions it's about the law and whether the law has been broken by the government itself and the NAACP as well as Benjamin Crump who has been the Martin family's Civil Rights attorney.
I am trying to keep it real while asking legitimate questions. I have ALREADY stated my respect for Travon Martin's death and I respect his family's grief - nevertheless, as a US citizen, it is my obligation to be vigilant also for anyone else, George Zimmerman, included, who's rights may have been violated.
Posted by Nemesis
the jury consisted of 6 women .... just for balance sake and objectivity why not 3 men/3 women?
five of these women were white/caucausian
oh boy! i can understand the turmoil.....
I thought that, myself.
Why not an evenly chosen Jury. but..... then... I remembered that's NOT how
the jury selection process works.
I know that in a civil trial (criminal trial may differ), a jury goes
through a screening process - IF the defendant, plaintiff lawyers, judge deem
a potential juror to be problematic for the trial, that individual will be
excused and another will be decided. - Happened to me.
Zimmerman was sweating bullets on Friday. - With an all female jury old enough
to be mothers and grandmothers of someone Travon's age, you cannot help but
be concerned whether they will sympathize with Travon's parents.
You can be 100% innocent and a jury can decide your fate.
Mind you, in the US, we go by factual evidence, not emotions and sympathies and
presumptions. - It oftentimes defies logic. But that is how it is.
To characterize Trayvon was an innocent "little baby boy", ie "CHILD"
is very telling of the scores of people on the emotional level.
But in US Law, a 16 year old can drive a car. And a car can be used as deadly weapon.
Posted by geminicandle
Lol@ George Zimmerman's civil rights....
What about most inalienable right to LIFE of that kid that he'll never get back?
God have mercy on everybody's soul. Even the murderer's.
Have you answered my question, gemini? You mentioned that you work in the legal field.
Posted by MrFirebirdPosted by journey4time
What happened was really a tragedy. i feel bad for Trayvons family, and am sad/worried about the fall out from the trial.
@MrFirebird cannot help but feel you are trolling a bit in light of something very serious. Life and death is not something to be flippant about, of course people are going to be emotional. That is why the justice system exist in the first place, to provide subjective judgement, although it can be corrupted.
Aside from the link that Nemesis provided, i have a question for you that may assist you in your trouble understanding racial profiling.
How many bald, white males do you see getting pulled over based on their similar appearance to a skinhead?
How many airport screening checks have you seen focused on nordic looking males after the 2011 Norway attacks?
How many upper middle class suburban white high school-college boys do you see getting questioned since columbine?
Or the Aurora bombings?
Or Oklahoma?
The reason why racial profiling is flawed is because you cannot racially profile a crime. It is ridiculous.
People often talk about middle Easterners as terrorist, but their are other active groups in the US that are much more a threat on a daily basis.
Hate groups, nationalist groups, gangs.Everyone kills, everyone commits crimes, and no one group is more likely than another.
I am NOT trolling for anything... I am fact finding. and I am trying to remain objective.
You haven't read everything I have posted - so... it would help to do so in order to catch up
to understanding where I am now. I am the one who started this thread.
You DO understand that there IS some validity as to the very real and current question of
whether or not George Zimmerman's Civil Rights were violated. - IF So it could be VERY Scandalous.
I am NOT making that up.
It's not about emotions it's about the law and whether the law has been broken by the government itself and the NAACP as well as Benjamin Crump who has been the Martin family's Civil Rights attorney.
I am trying to keep it real while asking legitimate questions. I have ALREADY stated my respect for Travon Martin's death and I respect his family's grief - nevertheless, as a US citizen, it is my obligation to be vigilant also for anyone else, George Zimmerman,click to expand
I might remind you all that Zimmerman, being found not guilty can legitimately and legally
request for his 9mm pistol no matter how much the people may disagree.
That's right, He can have gun back. And... He can conceal carry and.... if someone else
tries to attack him.... and he kills that attacker in self-defense and found not guilty,
again, there's not damn thing anyone can do about it and.... he could still get his gun
back.
So... for all those out in the world who would want to see him dead, had better be forewarned
not to play with "Mr. Softy".
IMHO, he will have to defend himself for the rest of his days because part of a very reckless society
who believes everything the media and peculiar attitudes of certain organizations.
request for his 9mm pistol no matter how much the people may disagree.
That's right, He can have gun back. And... He can conceal carry and.... if someone else
tries to attack him.... and he kills that attacker in self-defense and found not guilty,
again, there's not damn thing anyone can do about it and.... he could still get his gun
back.
So... for all those out in the world who would want to see him dead, had better be forewarned
not to play with "Mr. Softy".
IMHO, he will have to defend himself for the rest of his days because part of a very reckless society
who believes everything the media and peculiar attitudes of certain organizations.
Hello MrFirebird
If i misunderstood you, I do apologize. Please do not assume that i would post without first doing back reading. I do try to be thorough.
I think you may have misunderstood me a bit as well. My post was for the most part about racial profiling, which you brought up several post back, and why i do not think it is legitimate.
I was referring to your commenting on other posters emotionalism, which why i stated that it is understandable for one to get emotional on such a topic, hence the need for an objective law.
Objectivity in this particular case is a loaded word, because almost from the start it became a racially, financially, and politically (especially due to Zimmerman's family background) charged case.
I noticed you keep emphasizing your status as a US citizen. Is there a reason for that? Also, you didnt answer my questions.
Furthermore, while factual evidence is definitely important, it the emotions and morals that lawyers appeal to in a jury, not facts. This is how propaganda, politics, and law work. And, while a great many cases are fairly solved , others are not .
If i misunderstood you, I do apologize. Please do not assume that i would post without first doing back reading. I do try to be thorough.
I think you may have misunderstood me a bit as well. My post was for the most part about racial profiling, which you brought up several post back, and why i do not think it is legitimate.
I was referring to your commenting on other posters emotionalism, which why i stated that it is understandable for one to get emotional on such a topic, hence the need for an objective law.
Objectivity in this particular case is a loaded word, because almost from the start it became a racially, financially, and politically (especially due to Zimmerman's family background) charged case.
I noticed you keep emphasizing your status as a US citizen. Is there a reason for that? Also, you didnt answer my questions.
Furthermore, while factual evidence is definitely important, it the emotions and morals that lawyers appeal to in a jury, not facts. This is how propaganda, politics, and law work. And, while a great many cases are fairly solved , others are not .
Posted by journey4time
Hello MrFirebird
If i misunderstood you, I do apologize. Please do not assume that i would post without first doing back reading. I do try to be thorough.
I think you may have misunderstood me a bit as well. My post was for the most part about racial profiling, which you brought up several post back, and why i do not think it is legitimate.
I was referring to your commenting on other posters emotionalism, which why i stated that it is understandable for one to get emotional on such a topic, hence the need for an objective law.
Objectivity in this particular case is a loaded word, because almost from the start it became a racially, financially, and politically (especially due to Zimmerman's family background) charged case.
I noticed you keep emphasizing your status as a US citizen. Is there a reason for that? Also, you didnt answer my questions.
Furthermore, while factual evidence is definitely important, it the emotions and morals that lawyers appeal to in a jury, not facts. This is how propaganda, politics, and law work. And, while a great many cases are fairly solved , others are not .
Regarding my comments on emotionalism:
So you know, while I am sorry for the death of Trayvon, I am also personally trying to be objective,
and impartial while investigating something that I personally find extremely important. Inasmuch as
one would study textbooks on history, science, medicine, geopolitical events etc. in a calm and professional manner. You must really read everything I posted before your first reply. - I am investigating and researching facts, while acknowledging others. - You'll see me say that to someone else. Anyway, I want to be informed and be informed impartially looking at everything as objectively
as I can. I still have my emotions concerning Trayvon's death, but choose to refrain from allowing
myself be dictated by my emotions, but rather my rationale. - I ask questions to get others thinking
about things, as well.
Regarding my US citizenship.
That comment is directed towards Nemesis whom I am of the understanding lives in Europe. That's the only reason why. The US has laws that govern and protect the basic human rights of people from every nation who visit this nation. -
Hope that helps.
Continued:
Regarding racial profiling:
I am NOT saying that racial profiling is legitimate or not.
What I AM asking is what is it, and what are the restrictions.
What I want to know is exactly what is forbidden based on factual US and Florida State law
that Civil Rights attorney Benjamin Crump, NAACP, and the Justice Department and the Special
Prosecutor believe that George Zimmerman is guilty of.
That's been their contention from the time Zimmerman had not been arrested. - What we need
to compare is what the law actually states that the Sanford PD used to decide NOT to arrest
Zimmerman and why Zimmerman was not arrested. - again, we can all disagree with what Sanford
PD's decision not arrest but we need to investigate why. And we have to do so, objectively and
impartially - not with human emotions, political opinions and such. BUT strictly in the spirit
of one who is simply searching for the truth.
I am NOT saying that racial profiling is legitimate or not.
What I AM asking is what is it, and what are the restrictions.
What I want to know is exactly what is forbidden based on factual US and Florida State law
that Civil Rights attorney Benjamin Crump, NAACP, and the Justice Department and the Special
Prosecutor believe that George Zimmerman is guilty of.
That's been their contention from the time Zimmerman had not been arrested. - What we need
to compare is what the law actually states that the Sanford PD used to decide NOT to arrest
Zimmerman and why Zimmerman was not arrested. - again, we can all disagree with what Sanford
PD's decision not arrest but we need to investigate why. And we have to do so, objectively and
impartially - not with human emotions, political opinions and such. BUT strictly in the spirit
of one who is simply searching for the truth.
Posted by MrFirebird
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Zimmerman's phone call Transcript (limited length)
Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK...
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
Dispatcher: OK--you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...
Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the--he's near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
The above is the beginning of that conversation
Is this where everyone is getting the idea that George Zimmerman is a racist or is it somewhere else????
I haven't heard or seen anything past the above call, so I am ignorant of any other recording.
When I listen to it, when I read the transcript, no offense, but I am NOT hearing anything racist.
The phrases "Fucking Punks" and "These Assholes" are NOT racist comments.
Offensive? Yes, to some and but not to others.
What they ARE words chosen in frustration in light of the fact of what he says in his first recorded sentence:
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Is this where everyone is getting the idea that George Zimmerman is a racist or is it somewhere else????
I haven't heard or seen anything past the above call, so I am ignorant of any other recording.
When I listen to it, when I read the transcript, no offense, but I am NOT hearing anything racist.
The phrases "Fucking Punks" and "These Assholes" are NOT racist comments.
Offensive? Yes, to some and but not to others.
What they ARE words chosen in frustration in light of the fact of what he says in his first recorded sentence:
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Posted by totemPosted by MrFirebirdPosted by Nemesis
european news broadcasted it a bit - it was not a sensation over here. they showed the verdict being spoken. riots have not been mentionend (yet) only showed protestors outside the court building. this could really escalate though.
Well, I for one hope for peace as does the Travon Martin family and the Zimmerman family.
IMHO, the US Mainstream media may likely feel otherwise. - It would be a field day for them.
Yes, it could escalate IF a shot rings out.
Over here, there are many groups who just don't get along.
Whether or not a riot breaks out, which I don't think will happen on the scale of the LA riots,
but for every action there is a reaction. - Again, I honestly don't think it's going to be anything
that bad - I haven't heard of anything yet. I was saying earlier that IF it broke out, it could escalate. - I think we are living in different times now, than back then, though so, it's all IFFY.
Where's over here? Riots are nothing new. We've had them approx. every 10 years in this country since our very beginning. LA was the first multicultural riot. The last riot I can think of is the Canadian one over soccer or hockey. I forget. The 'reaction' I see will be positive. It will most likely motivate people in Florida esp, the younger generations to get involved in political activism. I forget the last few events or trials that went on where people were screaming "There's going to be a riot!" and nothing even ever happened.click to expand
Notice what I said a few pages back, please. I happen to be a bit, shall we say "familiar" with the
LA Riots of 1992. Please Go back and read - you'll see what I had to say then. You might be surprised.
As for this thread, you're kinda new. Please read/watch ALL that I have posted.
Understanding should improve.
Ok, continuing back on the subject from my previous relevant post above
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
(Comment: Notice it was the DISPATCHER who INTRODUCES >COLOR< to the conversation????????
Zimmerman only truthfully BUT ...Notice the word "looks"?? That word in this context is
used when in doubt. That is, up to that moment, Zimmerman was NOT even sure what color
the then ANONYMOUS individual was.)
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
(Zimmerman providing the clothes the, THEN ANONYMOUS, person was wearing then he provides his
next observation. An apparent pause and the conversation continues)
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK...
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
Continued
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
(Comment: Notice it was the DISPATCHER who INTRODUCES >COLOR< to the conversation????????
Zimmerman only truthfully BUT ...Notice the word "looks"?? That word in this context is
used when in doubt. That is, up to that moment, Zimmerman was NOT even sure what color
the then ANONYMOUS individual was.)
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
(Zimmerman providing the clothes the, THEN ANONYMOUS, person was wearing then he provides his
next observation. An apparent pause and the conversation continues)
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK...
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
Continued
Continued from previous above
Dispatcher: OK--you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...
Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the--he's near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
and the report conversation continues. All of which, you will find on pg 2.
Comment to follow: see my next reply.
Dispatcher: OK--you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...
Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the--he's near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
and the report conversation continues. All of which, you will find on pg 2.
Comment to follow: see my next reply.
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