Hades Moon - Pluto and moon soft aspects too?
This topic was created in the Moon Signs forum by CopperDove on Saturday, July 23, 2016 and has 46 replies.
I've been reading about so-called Hades moons.
It's confusing because some of the info I found gives the impression that only hard aspects between the moon and Pluto are Hades. Others believe it's any major aspect.
I have a weird one with Pluto and my moon. They are not trine in sign, but are by degree.
0 degree 22 second Gemini moon
29 degree 2 second Virgo Pluto
So, is this a Hades moon as some people like to label it, or not? Curious about opinions.
It's confusing because some of the info I found gives the impression that only hard aspects between the moon and Pluto are Hades. Others believe it's any major aspect.
I have a weird one with Pluto and my moon. They are not trine in sign, but are by degree.
0 degree 22 second Gemini moon
29 degree 2 second Virgo Pluto
So, is this a Hades moon as some people like to label it, or not? Curious about opinions.
Huh. I guess I have one too, then. Moon in 12th trine (4°) Pluto in 7th.
Maybe I should read about it.
Maybe I should read about it.
Posted by tizianiGood, cue mine too, lol.
Apparently yes. I have the exact same thing, out-of-sign trine, just in Scorp Pluto instead. I've been told by several people that counts as a Hades Moon. Cue my blank cheque for some of my worst behaviour.
Look at all of the things we can do with it:
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-trine-sextile-pluto/
Posted by sultrykittyYes, looks like it! I'm in good company.
Huh. I guess I have one too, then. Moon in 12th trine (4°) Pluto in 7th.
Maybe I should read about it.
I didn't realize this about my chart until recently. Goes nicely with how I was born on a Friday the 13th, lol.
The link I posted to Tiziani describes what it supposedly can do.
Posted by CopperDove"Moon trine Pluto subjects can play their cards very close to their chest. They are survivors. Pluto trines can inflate the subject’s sense of power and here we can get the tyrant."Posted by tizianiGood, cue mine too, lol.
Apparently yes. I have the exact same thing, out-of-sign trine, just in Scorp Pluto instead. I've been told by several people that counts as a Hades Moon. Cue my blank cheque for some of my worst behaviour.
Look at all of the things we can do with it:
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-trine-sextile-pluto/click to expand
Yes. I can totally relate, and am quite aware of the tyrant effect. It sits just outside my subconscious and it can show itself if I'm not careful. Much moreso when I was young, though. I don't like that side of myself.
Posted by tizianiYes, thank God (or Hades) it's not too late!Posted by CopperDovePosted by tizianiGood, cue mine too, lol.
Apparently yes. I have the exact same thing, out-of-sign trine, just in Scorp Pluto instead. I've been told by several people that counts as a Hades Moon. Cue my blank cheque for some of my worst behaviour.
Look at all of the things we can do with it:
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-trine-sextile-pluto/
"Look at all of the things we can do with it:"
Hahaha
In the company of Aleister Crowley, and a penchant for marketing manipulative genius. That's not half bad
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Posted by Explicit
What are "Hades Moons?" Like Scorpio Moons?
Apparently Scorpio moon, moon in the 8th house, and moon aspecting Pluto are all Hades moons.
Posted by sultrykittyMe too. The tyrant is something I acted out for a relatively short time as a kid. I won't go there again - no desire to - but I remember the power surge well. Not good power, I learned the difference, but it made me feel so tall (I've always been small) and superior.Posted by CopperDove"Moon trine Pluto subjects can play their cards very close to their chest. They are survivors. Pluto trines can inflate the subject’s sense of power and here we can get the tyrant."Posted by tizianiGood, cue mine too, lol.
Apparently yes. I have the exact same thing, out-of-sign trine, just in Scorp Pluto instead. I've been told by several people that counts as a Hades Moon. Cue my blank cheque for some of my worst behaviour.
Look at all of the things we can do with it:
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-trine-sextile-pluto/
Yes. I can totally relate, and am quite aware of the tyrant effect. It sits just outside my subconscious and it can show itself if I'm not careful. Much moreso when I was young, though. I don't like that side of myself.click to expand
Posted by KoniuchaaFrom the same site I linked to before, here are the square and opposition described:Posted by caIiberI have this too. It's hard.
my moon squares pluto.... should i just quit?click to expand
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-opposite-square-pluto/
Posted by caIiberYes, that site tends to paint things more negatively than some might. I think there are usually ways to deal with even the most negative aspects and related, but most sites don't share tips about that, they'll just say things like a person can channel it creatively somehow.Posted by CopperDovethanks for this copperdove. that's great lol can't get the hell outta my own way and i'm an emotional rollercoaster from hell with no seatbelts. sounds bout right.Posted by KoniuchaaFrom the same site I linked to before, here are the square and opposition described:Posted by caIiberI have this too. It's hard.
my moon squares pluto.... should i just quit?
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-opposite-square-pluto/click to expand
Posted by TrueFantasyYou have Virgo moon in the 8th house, is that right? What sucks about your moon? I like 8th house moons, and Virgo moons.
My moon fucking sucks.
Posted by PV&JellayApparently it counts. Soft aspect but still Hades.
Moon sextile pluto. Not sure if it counts. If so it's pretty tame. It's my venus square pluto you need to worry about.
What do you detect that Venus square Pluto does to you?
@PV&Jellay
I love the photo illustrations! lol
Some people don't mind those qualities at all in a relationship - they might even consider them ideal. But I can understand how they could manifest negatively in some people and cause too much pain at times. Hopefully you can find the right expression of the energy for yourself and experience the love you most want/need.
I love the photo illustrations! lol
Some people don't mind those qualities at all in a relationship - they might even consider them ideal. But I can understand how they could manifest negatively in some people and cause too much pain at times. Hopefully you can find the right expression of the energy for yourself and experience the love you most want/need.
Posted by LuckyLibra979
Why would you want a Hades moon? I have a moon square Pluto and fucc me can I just go one day w/o being hypersensitive?
Since my moon is in 12th, I guess it's more natural for me to know how to just suck it up.
Yeah, I'm sensitive. Yeah, life (and people I thought I could trust) throw me curveballs a lot. But we get through it, you know? All this shit is transitory; it's all in how you own it.
Posted by CopperDoveMy SO has his moon in the 8th house, also trine pluto. Could be why we understand each other so well. And why we can support each other when one of us is having a bad go of it.
@PV&Jellay
I love the photo illustrations! lol
Some people don't mind those qualities at all in a relationship - they might even consider them ideal. But I can understand how they could manifest negatively in some people and cause too much pain at times. Hopefully you can find the right expression of the energy for yourself and experience the love you most want/need.
Could also be why Scorpios feel comfortable around me even though my other placements don't typically jive with water, because I recognize something hidden there and accept the darkness.
While I identify with most Leo traits, there are some that I've never really felt describe me (mainly 5th house stuff). I think I give off 5th house vibes but internally I don't feel them.
Posted by PV&JellayIt will be interesting when you do, to see if you like it or not. They are out there, mark my words, lol. The 8th house mooners I've known are all rather intense in love.Posted by CopperDoveLOL. I just want to find someone as intense as I am. That might be too much though.
@PV&Jellay
I love the photo illustrations! lol
Some people don't mind those qualities at all in a relationship - they might even consider them ideal. But I can understand how they could manifest negatively in some people and cause too much pain at times. Hopefully you can find the right expression of the energy for yourself and experience the love you most want/need.click to expand
Posted by sultrykittyClose relationships I've had with 8th house mooners have had a lot of understanding in them, relating to my Scorpio parts I imagine. One of the men I dated, a Pisces with Aries moon in the 8th house, really liked that I'm sensitive - he didn't have any issue with it, he saw it as ideal.Posted by CopperDoveMy SO has his moon in the 8th house, also trine pluto. Could be why we understand each other so well. And why we can support each other when one of us is having a bad go of it.
@PV&Jellay
I love the photo illustrations! lol
Some people don't mind those qualities at all in a relationship - they might even consider them ideal. But I can understand how they could manifest negatively in some people and cause too much pain at times. Hopefully you can find the right expression of the energy for yourself and experience the love you most want/need.
Could also be why Scorpios feel comfortable around me even though my other placements don't typically jive with water, because I recognize something hidden there and accept the darkness.
While I identify with most Leo traits, there are some that I've never really felt describe me (mainly 5th house stuff). I think I give off 5th house vibes but internally I don't feel them.click to expand
I can totally see why Scorpios might feel comfortable around you. I relate to your posts even w/o meeting you because of a familiar energy I detect in them in part.
Posted by Plaguedhaha, yes, supposedly it's difficult, but who knows. I'm never sure what to believe about Pluto's influence.
The conjunction is nice I guess, nice to not have?
Posted by LuckyLibra979
Why would you want a Hades moon? I have a moon square Pluto and fucc me can I just go one day w/o being hypersensitive?
It's not that bad tho once you accept that you are an emotional person. Pluto gives you bottom lines to everything no matter what. You accept it or you dont. Here you learn how to control emotions. Do you feel like you've been in situations that call for emotional control? The tribe, out of sign or not, means these lessons come to you easily. Doesn't mean it's easy to accept or learn just that it's easily brought to you. The squares, it has a tougher time getting across to you so it may be harder to accept that you are emotional.
This is one of my favorite aspects. It explains alot.
I agree it's not bad once you accept being emotional and sensitive. I can control my emotional expression on the outside when needed and I try to work through any difficult emotions so they don't eat away at me. I've also increasingly been aware of how to live, who to associate with and related to not be overwhelmed by my sensitivity day-to-day so I'm not fried out by life. Work in progress.
I often question the power of Pluto in a chart. Sometimes I think it's really not that tremendous with what it does/can do to a person. Maybe funny to say that given I'm a Scorpio but sometimes I think Scorpios can get egocentric and grandiose about their supposed power with Pluto.
Posted by KoniuchaaMe too. It's so frustrating.Posted by caIiberI have this too. It's hard.
my moon squares pluto.... should i just quit?click to expand
Posted by TrueFantasyThat's really interesting that you find a better fit with your Draconic chart. I've looked at mine but don't relate to some of it so haven't been sure about how that works.Posted by CopperDoveIt's just that I relate nothing to moon in Virgo and my relationships with other Virgos can be super iffy, boring and awkward. Kind of like I can't grow. And that a bunch of people think only a Virgo moon can understand a Virgo moon isn't true to me. Cancer moons, Scorpio moons and cap moons are miles better.Posted by TrueFantasyYou have Virgo moon in the 8th house, is that right? What sucks about your moon? I like 8th house moons, and Virgo moons.
My moon fucking sucks.
Also I have moon trine Neptune, moon trine AC so I express my emotions explicitly which I hate. I'm often seen 'weak and easy' because of that -____- I turn to arts to help me.
Moon in the 8th is fine because I'm interested in 8th house activities and I relate to it so well.
So then I looked at my draconic chart (regardless if they're BS or not) and tbh I relate to my personal planets more. I had a Pisces moon in the 8th which blew my mind on how true it still is to me. I still carry my draconic chart with me, that's why a lot of people almost never guess me to be a Virgo.
I think my current moon sucks only because I barely relate to it. From now on I read Pisces moon qualities lol
My username has Fantasy in it and the avi pics I go for reflect it tooclick to expand
Do you feel a special connection with Pisces sun people instead of Virgo? Have people ever thought that you are a Pisces?
Posted by PlaguedI don't think I notice some of my more difficult aspects either. I have to remind myself that conjunctions are often considered challenging aspects in a natal chart by astrologers, because that's not my sense of them.Posted by CopperDovePosted by Plaguedhaha, yes, supposedly it's difficult, but who knows. I'm never sure what to believe about Pluto's influence.
The conjunction is nice I guess, nice to not have?
I really don't notice much of my double dose of hades moon lol it is said having a scorp moon and a pluto contact gives it a double dose. I had found a very good article once upon a time on tribes I will have to find!click to expand
I'd like to read that article if you find it.
Posted by caIiberI haven't looked much at minor aspects in charts.Posted by CopperDovei'm just being dramatic :p i actually have a minor aspect - sesquiquadrate. from what i understand, it's a square within a square. so while someone has a pie slice of cray, i just get a bite. the descriptions i've read regarding hard moon/pluto aspects are unfortunately still, personally, very relevant - just not as intense depending on the circumstances.Posted by caIiberYes, that site tends to paint things more negatively than some might. I think there are usually ways to deal with even the most negative aspects and related, but most sites don't share tips about that, they'll just say things like a person can channel it creatively somehow.Posted by CopperDovethanks for this copperdove. that's great lol can't get the hell outta my own way and i'm an emotional rollercoaster from hell with no seatbelts. sounds bout right.Posted by KoniuchaaFrom the same site I linked to before, here are the square and opposition described:Posted by caIiberI have this too. It's hard.
my moon squares pluto.... should i just quit?
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-opposite-square-pluto/
i am horrible at channeling any energy whatsoever.... still learning to curb my emotions and take a seat or two but it's hard. especially since i fight myself on freedoms and not tweaking my personality to suit someone's comfort level. fuck that. i shouldn't have to change myself. i'm just me..... but i see how that could effect everything around me as well. and here i am stuck chasing my own tail lol *slams head into wall*click to expand
If you were to act truly as yourself with people, not catering to their comfort level, what would that be like? As an example from my life, I felt a need to tone down any intensity in my personality with some people when I was younger because it made them kind of flinchy, but that was wrong. I wasn't acting in a negative way, just more direct, serious and focused than they could take. With close friends I didn't have to tone any of that down, they liked it/could handle it.
@TrueFantasy
Do you have a sense about why you, as a Pisces soul as you've identified yourself to be, wanted to try Virgo? Specific lessons you want to learn, perhaps, for example?
Do you have a sense about why you, as a Pisces soul as you've identified yourself to be, wanted to try Virgo? Specific lessons you want to learn, perhaps, for example?
@caiiber
I wonder if you'd be able to work for yourself somehow, so you set the rules, etc. instead of dealing with how others think you should be. I've known a lot of people who have great difficulty with most jobs because they are not conformists and they believe in fairness, the opposite of what many work situations can be like.
Disrespect angers me to no end. I have control over how I respond to it, so I can usually just draw a boundary line with the person in some way, which is good, but definitely it affects me.
I wonder if you'd be able to work for yourself somehow, so you set the rules, etc. instead of dealing with how others think you should be. I've known a lot of people who have great difficulty with most jobs because they are not conformists and they believe in fairness, the opposite of what many work situations can be like.
Disrespect angers me to no end. I have control over how I respond to it, so I can usually just draw a boundary line with the person in some way, which is good, but definitely it affects me.
Posted by TrueFantasyThat's very cool! Maybe the Virgo influence can help with the artistic expression somehow, with the discipline to pursue it, and the drive to improve technique, for example, without it being the dry analysis that is often described about Virgo.Posted by CopperDovePerhaps to leave my comfort zone which is anything creative or artistic. That's a strong Pisces trait which isn't as emphasised or even mentioned in the Virgo description. I like to think I will always have an artistic soul. Virgo is about analysing which is something I hate and is far from my capability. I've never been great at analysing and sometimes I don't even bother. Maybe that's what my soul is trying to develop? Virgo is also about service. I read the different careers for Virgo and Pisces and I kept shaking my head at Virgo while getting excited for piscean careers.
@TrueFantasy
Do you have a sense about why you, as a Pisces soul as you've identified yourself to be, wanted to try Virgo? Specific lessons you want to learn, perhaps, for example?
Growing up I was raised to be like a Virgo, my natal chart, but I knew what I loved and wanted to persue. Now I have Leo Venus and Mars which is something I identify more than my sun sign. It's also creative like Pisces.
But I would like to find balance so I hope to at least achieve some analytical skills though I may not enjoy it. I genuinely believe that whatever I learn or achieve in this life will be carried along in my next life, if reincarnation is true. So that motivates me a lot.click to expand
Some of the Virgos I've known have had a lot of artistic talent. They were analytical too, but they really flowed when they were creating art in a way that they might not otherwise. One of them has a Pisces moon so I'm sure that helped. Seems like a valuable axis to me with Virgo-Pisces with artistic expression if a person wants to pursue the arts as a career.
I also have moon trine pluto....
Posted by DeeLovesRed
I also have moon trine pluto....
Do you agree with descriptions of the aspect?
Posted by caIiberAll the best with the new job! Great that you chose it knowing things about yourself so it has the potential to work out better. Environment is huge for me with both work and where I live. The wrong fit can feel terrible.
@copperdove yes, i'm actually learning to make my life decisions around my personality from now on as a matter of fact.. this is all a very recent lesson for me lol i'm starting a job tomorrow that hopefully will not cause too much friction, as i've specifically chosen this one for the environment this time and not for any beneficial resources (which it also has).
my reason for the 180 degree shift in the way i go about life has a lot to do with my inability to control myself emotionally these days. i'm not going to fight it anymore, but embrace it and find the best ways to avoid blowing my top or being out of control. if that means, for example, i work a very quiet mediocre job that just pays the bills, than that's A-ok with me. what's most important is that i am not suffering on any level.
edit: if i am suffering on any level, i take others down with me. no good. :c
After I read your comments, I thought about a relative of mine who can take others down when they're upset about something. They're better about it than they used to be, fortunately. I just had a look at their chart and they have both moon and Pluto in the 8th house! The degrees are too far apart to be considered conjunct by most astrologers (12 degrees) but it's interesting to see this!
I was glad the other day when they told me they needed to end a conversation because they were feeling tense. It had nothing to do with me. In the past they probably would not have ended that talk and would have been increasingly difficult to interact with, getting critical of me out of seemingly nowhere.
Posted by KoniuchaaI've experienced that terrible feeling too. :/ Recently, in fact! Fortunately I shared it with some people I trust and they helped me figure out ways to address what was bothering me. But in the moment it can be horrendous.
It think with the square, you have to sort of just tell yourself that it's really not as bad as you think it is.
I know I can feel like the world is ending sometimes :/
Has anything else helped you, along with telling yourself it isn't as bad as it seems?
Posted by KoniuchaaSame! Maybe so with your Mercury. I have moon opposite Mercury, only 1 degree.Posted by CopperDoveI have to tell someone very close to me. I will lose my mind if I don't let it out. Perhaps that is my Mercury trine Moon aspect?Posted by KoniuchaaI've experienced that terrible feeling too. :/ Recently, in fact! Fortunately I shared it with some people I trust and they helped me figure out ways to address what was bothering me. But in the moment it can be horrendous.
It think with the square, you have to sort of just tell yourself that it's really not as bad as you think it is.
I know I can feel like the world is ending sometimes :/
Has anything else helped you, along with telling yourself it isn't as bad as it seems?click to expand
My Mercury is conjunct my Neptune, also 1 degree, so good and bad because it makes me imaginative I think which can be ruinous if I'm having that terrible feeling - I can conjure up many awful things.
Posted by CopperDove"Moon-Pluto has the capacity to enter in everything dark, and can take negative or painful emotional experiences and turn them into something positive."Posted by DeeLovesRed
I also have moon trine pluto....
Do you agree with descriptions of the aspect?click to expand
I can truly say I relate to this.. I've been through some stuff.. I mean some serious things.. & I can truly say with time and maturity.. I am a better person today
Posted by KoniuchaaDefinitely I could do w/o my imagination when I'm really upset about something! I have to force myself to turn the thoughts off somehow, or at least limit how long they last. What do you do when it happens?Posted by CopperDoveHmm, I have moon inconjunct Neptune. I can imagine some crazy stuff too.Posted by KoniuchaaSame! Maybe so with your Mercury. I have moon opposite Mercury, only 1 degree.Posted by CopperDoveI have to tell someone very close to me. I will lose my mind if I don't let it out. Perhaps that is my Mercury trine Moon aspect?Posted by KoniuchaaI've experienced that terrible feeling too. :/ Recently, in fact! Fortunately I shared it with some people I trust and they helped me figure out ways to address what was bothering me. But in the moment it can be horrendous.
It think with the square, you have to sort of just tell yourself that it's really not as bad as you think it is.
I know I can feel like the world is ending sometimes :/
Has anything else helped you, along with telling yourself it isn't as bad as it seems?
My Mercury is conjunct my Neptune, also 1 degree, so good and bad because it makes me imaginative I think which can be ruinous if I'm having that terrible feeling - I can conjure up many awful things.click to expand
Posted by DeeLovesRedI can relate too. Sometimes one of the positives for me is sharing what I've gone through with someone who is going through a similar thing so they can maybe feel some hope that they'll get through it too.Posted by CopperDove"Moon-Pluto has the capacity to enter in everything dark, and can take negative or painful emotional experiences and turn them into something positive."Posted by DeeLovesRed
I also have moon trine pluto....
Do you agree with descriptions of the aspect?
I can truly say I relate to this.. I've been through some stuff.. I mean some serious things.. & I can truly say with time and maturity.. I am a better person todayclick to expand
Posted by CopperDoveI read that they are replicators of the Scorpio moon tooPosted by Explicit
What are "Hades Moons?" Like Scorpio Moons?
Apparently Scorpio moon, moon in the 8th house, and moon aspecting Pluto are all Hades moons.click to expand
What i don't understand is why the same isn't applicable for for other planets outside of moon.
Like if someone is Sun conjunct Mars- Wouldn"t it give the person an Aries sun?
Or Venus conjunct Saturn- Cap Venus
I mean- the variations are endless -but you see my point
Anyone have any theories?
Posted by caIiberYou're welcome! It was something to see that connection in my relative's chart too! And that talk with them that I mentioned happened very recently.Posted by CopperDovethank you!!! ^^; wow that's interesting!!!! that's pretty much how i work now..... my new thing is to cover my ears (i swear i hate myself sometimes) and say "i need a break for 5 minutes" lolol i have to...... if i dont step away or warn people, i freakin explode. not a good look at all but i know my triggers and how to calm down..... people just need to give me the space or suffer the consequences.... i dont know how else to navigate it :/ nothing else works.Posted by caIiberAll the best with the new job! Great that you chose it knowing things about yourself so it has the potential to work out better. Environment is huge for me with both work and where I live. The wrong fit can feel terrible.
@copperdove yes, i'm actually learning to make my life decisions around my personality from now on as a matter of fact.. this is all a very recent lesson for me lol i'm starting a job tomorrow that hopefully will not cause too much friction, as i've specifically chosen this one for the environment this time and not for any beneficial resources (which it also has).
my reason for the 180 degree shift in the way i go about life has a lot to do with my inability to control myself emotionally these days. i'm not going to fight it anymore, but embrace it and find the best ways to avoid blowing my top or being out of control. if that means, for example, i work a very quiet mediocre job that just pays the bills, than that's A-ok with me. what's most important is that i am not suffering on any level.
edit: if i am suffering on any level, i take others down with me. no good. :c
After I read your comments, I thought about a relative of mine who can take others down when they're upset about something. They're better about it than they used to be, fortunately. I just had a look at their chart and they have both moon and Pluto in the 8th house! The degrees are too far apart to be considered conjunct by most astrologers (12 degrees) but it's interesting to see this!
I was glad the other day when they told me they needed to end a conversation because they were feeling tense. It had nothing to do with me. In the past they probably would not have ended that talk and would have been increasingly difficult to interact with, getting critical of me out of seemingly nowhere.click to expand
That's great that you've figured out a way to lessen the danger to others at least. A lot of people never get that far - they don't even try, and sometimes don't even remember they exploded.
Posted by CopperDoveBut one thing that I hate about this aspect is that it allows the person to "want to dig deeper" behind "problems"... So sometimes I try to figure out the real reason why someone is the way they are.. & in the end I wind up being hurt... Plus the Pisces in me mixed with my moon in the 6th & this aspect.. Just make things pretty intense..Posted by DeeLovesRedI can relate too. Sometimes one of the positives for me is sharing what I've gone through with someone who is going through a similar thing so they can maybe feel some hope that they'll get through it too.Posted by CopperDove"Moon-Pluto has the capacity to enter in everything dark, and can take negative or painful emotional experiences and turn them into something positive."Posted by DeeLovesRed
I also have moon trine pluto....
Do you agree with descriptions of the aspect?
I can truly say I relate to this.. I've been through some stuff.. I mean some serious things.. & I can truly say with time and maturity.. I am a better person todayclick to expand
Posted by SkittyI see your point for sure. I think it can give qualities to the planets and luminaries that modifies them. It could also explain things in synastry - someone with an Aries moon, for example, might be attracted to someone who has Aries qualities with their sun even though it isn't an Aries sun.Posted by CopperDoveI read that they are replicators of the Scorpio moon tooPosted by Explicit
What are "Hades Moons?" Like Scorpio Moons?
Apparently Scorpio moon, moon in the 8th house, and moon aspecting Pluto are all Hades moons.
What i don't understand is why the same isn't applicable for for other planets outside of moon.
Like if someone is Sun conjunct Mars- Wouldn"t it give the person an Aries sun?
Or Venus conjunct Saturn- Cap Venus
I mean- the variations are endless -but you see my point
Anyone have any theories?click to expand
I've looked at it more from the housing side. For example, I have several planets in the 6th house, but only one of them is in Virgo (my 6th house is intercepted twice). I feel that I have a Virgo flavour to how those planets express on top of the sign they're in. So even though I have a Scorpio Venus, it definitely can express itself in a Virgo way.
Posted by DeeLovesRedDo you mean hurt because you try so hard to dig deeper and understand them that they're in your life longer than they should be - it gives them more chances in a way? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. I've done what I just described so that's partly why I'm asking.Posted by CopperDoveBut one thing that I hate about this aspect is that it allows the person to "want to dig deeper" behind "problems"... So sometimes I try to figure out the real reason why someone is the way they are.. & in the end I wind up being hurt... Plus the Pisces in me mixed with my moon in the 6th & this aspect.. Just make things pretty intense..Posted by DeeLovesRedI can relate too. Sometimes one of the positives for me is sharing what I've gone through with someone who is going through a similar thing so they can maybe feel some hope that they'll get through it too.Posted by CopperDove"Moon-Pluto has the capacity to enter in everything dark, and can take negative or painful emotional experiences and turn them into something positive."Posted by DeeLovesRed
I also have moon trine pluto....
Do you agree with descriptions of the aspect?
I can truly say I relate to this.. I've been through some stuff.. I mean some serious things.. & I can truly say with time and maturity.. I am a better person todayclick to expand
Posted by CopperDoveBy Hurt I mean...Posted by DeeLovesRedDo you mean hurt because you try so hard to dig deeper and understand them that they're in your life longer than they should be - it gives them more chances in a way? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. I've done what I just described so that's partly why I'm asking.Posted by CopperDoveBut one thing that I hate about this aspect is that it allows the person to "want to dig deeper" behind "problems"... So sometimes I try to figure out the real reason why someone is the way they are.. & in the end I wind up being hurt... Plus the Pisces in me mixed with my moon in the 6th & this aspect.. Just make things pretty intense..Posted by DeeLovesRedI can relate too. Sometimes one of the positives for me is sharing what I've gone through with someone who is going through a similar thing so they can maybe feel some hope that they'll get through it too.Posted by CopperDove"Moon-Pluto has the capacity to enter in everything dark, and can take negative or painful emotional experiences and turn them into something positive."Posted by DeeLovesRed
I also have moon trine pluto....
Do you agree with descriptions of the aspect?
I can truly say I relate to this.. I've been through some stuff.. I mean some serious things.. & I can truly say with time and maturity.. I am a better person todayclick to expand
1- They are in your life longer.. YES!!!
2- The same traits the person displays which makes you want to dig deeper and figure out why do they have these traits.. In the long run those traits hurt you...
Here's another description for the Square:
Posted by CopperDoveOther than attraction-Posted by SkittyI see your point for sure. I think it can give qualities to the planets and luminaries that modifies them. It could also explain things in synastry - someone with an Aries moon, for example, might be attracted to someone who has Aries qualities with their sun even though it isn't an Aries sun.Posted by CopperDoveI read that they are replicators of the Scorpio moon tooPosted by Explicit
What are "Hades Moons?" Like Scorpio Moons?
Apparently Scorpio moon, moon in the 8th house, and moon aspecting Pluto are all Hades moons.
What i don't understand is why the same isn't applicable for for other planets outside of moon.
Like if someone is Sun conjunct Mars- Wouldn"t it give the person an Aries sun?
Or Venus conjunct Saturn- Cap Venus
I mean- the variations are endless -but you see my point
Anyone have any theories?
I've looked at it more from the housing side. For example, I have several planets in the 6th house, but only one of them is in Virgo (my 6th house is intercepted twice). I feel that I have a Virgo flavour to how those planets express on top of the sign they're in. So even though I have a Scorpio Venus, it definitely can express itself in a Virgo way.click to expand
Well what about a Cancer moon that's conjunct mars
Would they feel like an Aries moon?
I have my sun hella close to mars- I don't think i project an aries ego vibe thing..I mean i'm lazy so... it would be awesome - but i relate more to the fixed, stay put, eat snacks mentality lol
Posted by KoniuchaaReally? I have my venus in the 10th- i don't feel the cap energy from it.Posted by SkittyI think they sort of are. I have Venus conjunct Saturn and relate to descriptions of Cap Saturn. I actually feel that it's stronger.Posted by CopperDoveI read that they are replicators of the Scorpio moon tooPosted by Explicit
What are "Hades Moons?" Like Scorpio Moons?
Apparently Scorpio moon, moon in the 8th house, and moon aspecting Pluto are all Hades moons.
What i don't understand is why the same isn't applicable for for other planets outside of moon.
Like if someone is Sun conjunct Mars- Wouldn"t it give the person an Aries sun?
Or Venus conjunct Saturn- Cap Venus
I mean- the variations are endless -but you see my point
Anyone have any theories?click to expand
I can assure you all, it's definitely in gemini. :p
Posted by SkittyI'm not sure. It would be interesting if someone has looked at their chart that way and finds that kind of correlation consistently. I can't really see it in my own chart strongly, except with house placement.Posted by CopperDoveOther than attraction-Posted by SkittyI see your point for sure. I think it can give qualities to the planets and luminaries that modifies them. It could also explain things in synastry - someone with an Aries moon, for example, might be attracted to someone who has Aries qualities with their sun even though it isn't an Aries sun.Posted by CopperDoveI read that they are replicators of the Scorpio moon tooPosted by Explicit
What are "Hades Moons?" Like Scorpio Moons?
Apparently Scorpio moon, moon in the 8th house, and moon aspecting Pluto are all Hades moons.
What i don't understand is why the same isn't applicable for for other planets outside of moon.
Like if someone is Sun conjunct Mars- Wouldn"t it give the person an Aries sun?
Or Venus conjunct Saturn- Cap Venus
I mean- the variations are endless -but you see my point
Anyone have any theories?
I've looked at it more from the housing side. For example, I have several planets in the 6th house, but only one of them is in Virgo (my 6th house is intercepted twice). I feel that I have a Virgo flavour to how those planets express on top of the sign they're in. So even though I have a Scorpio Venus, it definitely can express itself in a Virgo way.
Well what about a Cancer moon that's conjunct mars
Would they feel like an Aries moon?
I have my sun hella close to mars- I don't think i project an aries ego vibe thing..I mean i'm lazy so... it would be awesome - but i relate more to the fixed, stay put, eat snacks mentality lolclick to expand
Are the snacks eaten quickly, maybe impulsively, a la Aries energy maybe?
Posted by tizianiDo I get a blank checkbook for having scorp moon and pluto? Ehh.
Apparently yes. I have the exact same thing, out-of-sign trine, just in Scorp Pluto instead. I've been told by several people that counts as a Hades Moon. Cue my blank cheque for some of my worst behaviour.
Moon trine pluto. My moons in libra and pluto in sag.
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