Soft/Hard aspects to the Moon
This topic was created in the Moon Signs forum by degenerate_ingenue on Thursday, October 22, 2015 and has 26 replies.
What people who were born with Sun square Moon in their natal charts want and what they need are in conflict. The Sun square Moon aspect is similar to the Sun opposition Moon aspect in this sense, but there are very notable differences. Whereas the struggle between wants and needs is mostly played out on the inside and through significant relationships with Sun opposition Moon people, Sun square Moon people tend to confront obstacles that come from the outside. In truth, the struggle is within, as it is a case of being "one's own worst enemy". There can be a tendency to attract challenging situations into the life as an unconscious attempt to recreate the tension of early childhood. As well, specific habits and attitudes can hamper their progress in life.
These people generally have a need to achieve and accomplish something important, and they act out their internal struggle along the way. For whatever reason, these people didn't feel needed or accepted. The clash between their parents or parent figures, if indeed there was one, made them feel unaccepted for who they were, and there can be a very real drive to prove themselves to the world (and/or to the parents). The parents may not have simply been opposite personalities, as is the case with Sun opposition Moon. It is more likely that their relationship was a continual struggle. Sun square Moon individuals internalized the tension in the cosmic air that they were born into, and felt out of place as a result. In some cases, they literally felt unwanted by one or both parents. Even if the parents didn't clash, the early life was likely to have been over-stimulating and tense, causing the child to feel insecure.
These people experience a struggle between their need for nurture and their need for independence. When they get the autonomy that they seem to crave, they feel unsupported by others. When they receive the support they crave, they feel smothered. This internal clash is most apparent in the relationships they form, especially in the first half of their lives when they may not be aware of these patterns. Confrontations and challenges are frequent--not just with romantic partners, but also on the job, with friends, and so forth. However, these people have a lot of drive and spunk. They are resilient creatures who have faced conflict and who have survived it. Although they face a struggle with fluctuating energy, they are motivated to accomplish something. Ideally, they learn through experience to accomplish something for themselves rather than to prove their worth to others.
These people generally have a need to achieve and accomplish something important, and they act out their internal struggle along the way. For whatever reason, these people didn't feel needed or accepted. The clash between their parents or parent figures, if indeed there was one, made them feel unaccepted for who they were, and there can be a very real drive to prove themselves to the world (and/or to the parents). The parents may not have simply been opposite personalities, as is the case with Sun opposition Moon. It is more likely that their relationship was a continual struggle. Sun square Moon individuals internalized the tension in the cosmic air that they were born into, and felt out of place as a result. In some cases, they literally felt unwanted by one or both parents. Even if the parents didn't clash, the early life was likely to have been over-stimulating and tense, causing the child to feel insecure.
These people experience a struggle between their need for nurture and their need for independence. When they get the autonomy that they seem to crave, they feel unsupported by others. When they receive the support they crave, they feel smothered. This internal clash is most apparent in the relationships they form, especially in the first half of their lives when they may not be aware of these patterns. Confrontations and challenges are frequent--not just with romantic partners, but also on the job, with friends, and so forth. However, these people have a lot of drive and spunk. They are resilient creatures who have faced conflict and who have survived it. Although they face a struggle with fluctuating energy, they are motivated to accomplish something. Ideally, they learn through experience to accomplish something for themselves rather than to prove their worth to others.
Moon square or opposition Uranus
People with these aspects in their natal chart are studies in contradiction. When they are able to fulfill their emotional needs for closeness, support, and intimacy, another part of their personality rebels. They feel closed in, restricted, and uncomfortable with feelings of dependency. However, when they are left alone on an emotional level, they can feel left out. They begin to crave closeness and intimacy once again. They keep people at an emotional arm's length often enough, yet struggle with their emotional independence.
Daily routines feel too stifling for these individuals. They need to mix things up in order to feel creative and emotionally vital. Inconsistency is a result, and some level of domestic disorder is almost a guarantee. Living with them can be challenging for more orderly and systematic people!
People with Moon-Uranus hard aspects despise emotional pretense. They are adamant about expressing themselves honestly, which generally translates to "sporadically". If they don't "feel it", they simply won't do it. It can be challenging to pin them down at times--they will feel cornered. Don't take it too personally, however, because they not only rebel against your schedules, they rebel against their own as well! The fact is, when they try to bring more order to their lives, it can be hard to stick to a program, even if they were the ones who designed the program.
Their insistence on following their own intuition and "inner code" is admirable on one hand. In fact, they are generally quite proud of their emotional honesty. However, this honesty can be difficult for others to deal with at times. They are sometimes accused of selfishness as a result, although they don't see it that way at all. They are generally very creative people, although their creative output is sporadic. Whenever Uranus is strongly connected to a personal planet in the natal chart, you'll find this "stop-and-start" energy simply because these people live on intuition. Uranus intuition is not the same as Neptune intuition--it's more self-focused and has to do with being true to oneself.
People with these aspects in their natal chart are studies in contradiction. When they are able to fulfill their emotional needs for closeness, support, and intimacy, another part of their personality rebels. They feel closed in, restricted, and uncomfortable with feelings of dependency. However, when they are left alone on an emotional level, they can feel left out. They begin to crave closeness and intimacy once again. They keep people at an emotional arm's length often enough, yet struggle with their emotional independence.
Daily routines feel too stifling for these individuals. They need to mix things up in order to feel creative and emotionally vital. Inconsistency is a result, and some level of domestic disorder is almost a guarantee. Living with them can be challenging for more orderly and systematic people!
People with Moon-Uranus hard aspects despise emotional pretense. They are adamant about expressing themselves honestly, which generally translates to "sporadically". If they don't "feel it", they simply won't do it. It can be challenging to pin them down at times--they will feel cornered. Don't take it too personally, however, because they not only rebel against your schedules, they rebel against their own as well! The fact is, when they try to bring more order to their lives, it can be hard to stick to a program, even if they were the ones who designed the program.
Their insistence on following their own intuition and "inner code" is admirable on one hand. In fact, they are generally quite proud of their emotional honesty. However, this honesty can be difficult for others to deal with at times. They are sometimes accused of selfishness as a result, although they don't see it that way at all. They are generally very creative people, although their creative output is sporadic. Whenever Uranus is strongly connected to a personal planet in the natal chart, you'll find this "stop-and-start" energy simply because these people live on intuition. Uranus intuition is not the same as Neptune intuition--it's more self-focused and has to do with being true to oneself.
Moon square or opposition Uranus (CONT.)
More often than not, Moon-Uranus people had unusual early home lives. They may have been given an unusual amount of freedom as a child, or the converse. Whichever was the case, they insist upon a certain level of personal freedom as adults. Their experience of their mother figure may have also been erratic in the expression of nurture.
These people attract changes and disruptions into their domestic lives. They may not enjoy this fact, but if this is the case, they must examine their lives a little more closely. Consider a person who thinks to himself, "hey, my life has become pretty routine--even boring" and then shortly thereafter his life takes a sharp turn. The crises that he now faces may not seem like something he has literally asked for. However, with the Moon in hard aspect to Uranus, the basic energy is a basic need for emotional excitement. We may live with this basic need and not even recognize it. If we don't own it, we can attract upsetting emotional situations and disruptions into our lives. It's hard to know whether Moon-Uranus people embrace changes (these ones move house often, re-arrange their homes frequently, mix up their domestic routines every once in a while, and so forth) or resist them stubbornly. One thing is certain, however: the happiest people with this natal chart aspect recognize their need to do things differently with regards to how they approach family and home life.
You tend to be emotionally impulsive and instinctual. Your early upbringing may have been unusual in some manner, and possibly a tad unstable. This is not to say that you are unstable--just that your early experiences with home, family, and nurturing had some erratic quality that left an impression on you. Some people with this aspect moved frequently when they were young. Others had a mother or caregiver who marched to the beat of a different drummer. As a result, there is an inner dichotomy at work: you crave emotional intimacy, yet your need for independence is just as strong. Your desire to be cared for and your need for emotional independence are at odds with one another. This may not be as apparent to you as it is to others who you are close with. The key to this challenging aspect is integration. While you are young, you may struggle with this dichotomy, and you may need to do so in order to achieve some sort of understanding and inner peace later in life.
More often than not, Moon-Uranus people had unusual early home lives. They may have been given an unusual amount of freedom as a child, or the converse. Whichever was the case, they insist upon a certain level of personal freedom as adults. Their experience of their mother figure may have also been erratic in the expression of nurture.
These people attract changes and disruptions into their domestic lives. They may not enjoy this fact, but if this is the case, they must examine their lives a little more closely. Consider a person who thinks to himself, "hey, my life has become pretty routine--even boring" and then shortly thereafter his life takes a sharp turn. The crises that he now faces may not seem like something he has literally asked for. However, with the Moon in hard aspect to Uranus, the basic energy is a basic need for emotional excitement. We may live with this basic need and not even recognize it. If we don't own it, we can attract upsetting emotional situations and disruptions into our lives. It's hard to know whether Moon-Uranus people embrace changes (these ones move house often, re-arrange their homes frequently, mix up their domestic routines every once in a while, and so forth) or resist them stubbornly. One thing is certain, however: the happiest people with this natal chart aspect recognize their need to do things differently with regards to how they approach family and home life.
You tend to be emotionally impulsive and instinctual. Your early upbringing may have been unusual in some manner, and possibly a tad unstable. This is not to say that you are unstable--just that your early experiences with home, family, and nurturing had some erratic quality that left an impression on you. Some people with this aspect moved frequently when they were young. Others had a mother or caregiver who marched to the beat of a different drummer. As a result, there is an inner dichotomy at work: you crave emotional intimacy, yet your need for independence is just as strong. Your desire to be cared for and your need for emotional independence are at odds with one another. This may not be as apparent to you as it is to others who you are close with. The key to this challenging aspect is integration. While you are young, you may struggle with this dichotomy, and you may need to do so in order to achieve some sort of understanding and inner peace later in life.
Moon square or opposition Uranus (CONT.)
Perhaps much of your life, you struggle with routines and the "humdrum". When life becomes too routine, you rebel. Emotional excitement is important to you, and if you are not aware of this, you attract emotional upheavals in your life. This can be very upsetting to you, but you must learn why you are attracting these upheavals in the first place. You do not feel "ordinary", and do not want to live your life in an "ordinary" manner. If you are attracting upsetting emotional situations in your life, it may be because you are not looking for a healthy outlet for your need for emotional excitement.
You are an intensely creative and inventive person, but your creative expression may be erratic and irregular. You have spurts of energy and creativity that come in flashes. You have a hard time producing much of anything when you are called upon to do so, preferring to produce only when your spirit is ignited, not by some enforced schedule. Your domestic life may be somewhat irregular or unusual to outsiders. Self-discipline is somewhat lacking, mainly due to this inner need to be in tune with your spirit and a general resistance to being imposed upon.
Perhaps much of your life, you struggle with routines and the "humdrum". When life becomes too routine, you rebel. Emotional excitement is important to you, and if you are not aware of this, you attract emotional upheavals in your life. This can be very upsetting to you, but you must learn why you are attracting these upheavals in the first place. You do not feel "ordinary", and do not want to live your life in an "ordinary" manner. If you are attracting upsetting emotional situations in your life, it may be because you are not looking for a healthy outlet for your need for emotional excitement.
You are an intensely creative and inventive person, but your creative expression may be erratic and irregular. You have spurts of energy and creativity that come in flashes. You have a hard time producing much of anything when you are called upon to do so, preferring to produce only when your spirit is ignited, not by some enforced schedule. Your domestic life may be somewhat irregular or unusual to outsiders. Self-discipline is somewhat lacking, mainly due to this inner need to be in tune with your spirit and a general resistance to being imposed upon.
Moon sextile or trine Neptune
With these aspects in the natal chart, there is an unmistakably compassionate and understanding side to the nature. These people have a natural affinity to music. While everyone enjoys music, people with Moon in harmonious aspect to Neptune respond to music as a vehicle to heal, relax, and to uplift the soul. Naturally perceptive, without even trying they tune into the feelings of others, and the mood of their surroundings. There is a distinct emotional need to escape into the world of imagination, and to withdraw from others at times when they need to re-center themselves, largely because they tend to "take in" a lot of mixed energies from their surroundings. Strong and sudden "feelings" and hunches can overcome them. More often than not, their intuition is correct, although their imagination is also powerful and they can read too much into a situation as a result. Some laziness is associated with this position. This stems from a natural timidity and sensitivity that is apparent from youth. They may have been labeled "shy" in youth, and family members or friends may have jumped in to "save" them from situations that required boldness or aggressiveness. Thus, passivity was accepted and, as adults, these people are less experienced than most when it comes to reaching out or going after what they want.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Neptune have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
With these aspects in the natal chart, there is an unmistakably compassionate and understanding side to the nature. These people have a natural affinity to music. While everyone enjoys music, people with Moon in harmonious aspect to Neptune respond to music as a vehicle to heal, relax, and to uplift the soul. Naturally perceptive, without even trying they tune into the feelings of others, and the mood of their surroundings. There is a distinct emotional need to escape into the world of imagination, and to withdraw from others at times when they need to re-center themselves, largely because they tend to "take in" a lot of mixed energies from their surroundings. Strong and sudden "feelings" and hunches can overcome them. More often than not, their intuition is correct, although their imagination is also powerful and they can read too much into a situation as a result. Some laziness is associated with this position. This stems from a natural timidity and sensitivity that is apparent from youth. They may have been labeled "shy" in youth, and family members or friends may have jumped in to "save" them from situations that required boldness or aggressiveness. Thus, passivity was accepted and, as adults, these people are less experienced than most when it comes to reaching out or going after what they want.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Neptune have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
Moon sextile MC
You are very sensitive to other people's feelings as well as your own. Your moods and emotions are intense, and have a strong influence on how you see yourself and the world. Probably you get along easily with others, because, knowing your sensitivity, people trust you with their innermost feelings. Even while you are young, you won't hurt anyone, because you are so aware of how it feels to be hurt emotionally. As you grow older, you will learn a great deal about your psychological makeup, which will help you understand people in general. This will give you the ability to handle others very effectively, so that they help you while you are helping them. You are not likely to use other people selfishly, but you appreciate an honest exchange. People may come into your life and help you without very much fanfare. Or they may offer help but prefer to give you what you need quietly, behind the scenes. You may keep your own feelings somewhat hidden, or at least not be particularly demonstrative. But others know that you have strong feelings and will appreciate your quiet strength and sensitivity. You can learn a lot through your emotions, for you understand by feeling rather than by thinking. It is important to learn to trust your feelings.
You are very sensitive to other people's feelings as well as your own. Your moods and emotions are intense, and have a strong influence on how you see yourself and the world. Probably you get along easily with others, because, knowing your sensitivity, people trust you with their innermost feelings. Even while you are young, you won't hurt anyone, because you are so aware of how it feels to be hurt emotionally. As you grow older, you will learn a great deal about your psychological makeup, which will help you understand people in general. This will give you the ability to handle others very effectively, so that they help you while you are helping them. You are not likely to use other people selfishly, but you appreciate an honest exchange. People may come into your life and help you without very much fanfare. Or they may offer help but prefer to give you what you need quietly, behind the scenes. You may keep your own feelings somewhat hidden, or at least not be particularly demonstrative. But others know that you have strong feelings and will appreciate your quiet strength and sensitivity. You can learn a lot through your emotions, for you understand by feeling rather than by thinking. It is important to learn to trust your feelings.
For my own moon, my moon is living the good life with no hard aspects except for my moon being conjunct Chiron (deepest wound). If you're interested I made a thread about that aspect yesterday. My moon is in the 11th house (so is Chiron), which has to do with friendships. I would say it is a very difficult aspect to have.
As for your moon in the 12th, here is a description for that:
This position of the Moon indicates an emotional attachment and sensitivity to all that is ethereal, groundless, and eternal. As sensitive as you are, you often have delayed reactions to your own emotional experiences. You need frequent moments of solitude in order to recharge yourself emotionally, and this need, while strong, can also lead to feelings of isolation and of being misunderstood. While you are a perceptive person, you are often either flooded with emotions that are hard to define, or completely out of touch with what you are feeling. Either extreme keeps you from truly discovering your emotional needs. Negative expressions of this position are avoidance of responsibility, using hypersensitivity as an excuse to oneself (and perhaps to others) for not participating, or emotional immaturity. You are sympathetic to others' suffering, but not always emotionally available to help.
*Your own feelings and emotions are something of an enigma to you, and it is often difficult for you to share with others what you are feeling. You frequently withdraw from contact with the world, and need a healing, peaceful environment in order to blossom and come out of yourself. You identify with the oppressed, disenfranchised or underdog in any situation and want to help them or care for them in some way.
As for your moon in the 12th, here is a description for that:
This position of the Moon indicates an emotional attachment and sensitivity to all that is ethereal, groundless, and eternal. As sensitive as you are, you often have delayed reactions to your own emotional experiences. You need frequent moments of solitude in order to recharge yourself emotionally, and this need, while strong, can also lead to feelings of isolation and of being misunderstood. While you are a perceptive person, you are often either flooded with emotions that are hard to define, or completely out of touch with what you are feeling. Either extreme keeps you from truly discovering your emotional needs. Negative expressions of this position are avoidance of responsibility, using hypersensitivity as an excuse to oneself (and perhaps to others) for not participating, or emotional immaturity. You are sympathetic to others' suffering, but not always emotionally available to help.
*Your own feelings and emotions are something of an enigma to you, and it is often difficult for you to share with others what you are feeling. You frequently withdraw from contact with the world, and need a healing, peaceful environment in order to blossom and come out of yourself. You identify with the oppressed, disenfranchised or underdog in any situation and want to help them or care for them in some way.
Posted by Huldra
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off topic, but I am still working w figuring out Saturn synastry aspects. I'll have to find your thread again and add onto it. still a very interesting topic to me.
@degenerate_ingenue
Wow.
The parents may not have simply been opposite personalities, as is the case with Sun opposition Moon. It is more likely that their relationship was a continual struggle. Sun square Moon individuals internalized the tension in the cosmic air that they were born into, and felt out of place as a result. In some cases, they literally felt unwanted by one or both parents. ***definitely have always felt like my Dad didn't want kids.
These people experience a struggle between their need for nurture and their need for independence. When they get the autonomy that they seem to crave, they feel unsupported by others. When they receive the support they crave, they feel smothered. **yep. Easily overwhelmed and easily lonely.
People with these aspects in their natal chart are studies in contradiction. When they are able to fulfill their emotional needs for closeness, support, and intimacy, another part of their personality rebels. ** Again a big yes. Constant struggle.
They are adamant about expressing themselves honestly, which generally translates to "sporadically". They are generally very creative people, although their creative output is sporadic. Whenever Uranus is strongly connected to a personal planet in the natal chart, you'll find this "stop-and-start" energy simply because these people live on intuition. You have a hard time producing much of anything when you are called upon to do so, preferring to produce only when your spirit is ignited, not by some enforced schedule. ** Everything I do is unfortunately in short, inspired bursts of expression.
More often than not, Moon-Uranus people had unusual early home lives. They may have been given an unusual amount of freedom as a child, or the converse. **My parents are foreign hippies so yes.
It's hard to know whether Moon-Uranus people embrace changes (these ones move house often, re-arrange their homes frequently, mix up their domestic routines every once in a while, and so forth) or resist them stubbornly. ** I move more than anyone I know. Every year or so I move to a new neighboring city.
There is a distinct emotional need to escape into the world of imagination, and to withdraw from others at times when they need to re-center themselves, largely because they tend to "take in" a lot of mixed energies from their surroundings. Strong and sudden "feelings" and hunches can overcome them. More often than not, their intuition is correct, although their imagination is also powerful and they can read too much into a situation as a result. **Probably the most true for me of everything above.
Thank you for this!! So much information.
Wow.
The parents may not have simply been opposite personalities, as is the case with Sun opposition Moon. It is more likely that their relationship was a continual struggle. Sun square Moon individuals internalized the tension in the cosmic air that they were born into, and felt out of place as a result. In some cases, they literally felt unwanted by one or both parents. ***definitely have always felt like my Dad didn't want kids.
These people experience a struggle between their need for nurture and their need for independence. When they get the autonomy that they seem to crave, they feel unsupported by others. When they receive the support they crave, they feel smothered. **yep. Easily overwhelmed and easily lonely.
People with these aspects in their natal chart are studies in contradiction. When they are able to fulfill their emotional needs for closeness, support, and intimacy, another part of their personality rebels. ** Again a big yes. Constant struggle.
They are adamant about expressing themselves honestly, which generally translates to "sporadically". They are generally very creative people, although their creative output is sporadic. Whenever Uranus is strongly connected to a personal planet in the natal chart, you'll find this "stop-and-start" energy simply because these people live on intuition. You have a hard time producing much of anything when you are called upon to do so, preferring to produce only when your spirit is ignited, not by some enforced schedule. ** Everything I do is unfortunately in short, inspired bursts of expression.
More often than not, Moon-Uranus people had unusual early home lives. They may have been given an unusual amount of freedom as a child, or the converse. **My parents are foreign hippies so yes.
It's hard to know whether Moon-Uranus people embrace changes (these ones move house often, re-arrange their homes frequently, mix up their domestic routines every once in a while, and so forth) or resist them stubbornly. ** I move more than anyone I know. Every year or so I move to a new neighboring city.
There is a distinct emotional need to escape into the world of imagination, and to withdraw from others at times when they need to re-center themselves, largely because they tend to "take in" a lot of mixed energies from their surroundings. Strong and sudden "feelings" and hunches can overcome them. More often than not, their intuition is correct, although their imagination is also powerful and they can read too much into a situation as a result. **Probably the most true for me of everything above.
Thank you for this!! So much information.
Posted by degenerate_ingenue
For my own moon, my moon is living the good life with no hard aspects except for my moon being conjunct Chiron (deepest wound). If you're interested I made a thread about that aspect yesterday. My moon is in the 11th house (so is Chiron), which has to do with friendships. I would say it is a very difficult aspect to have.
As for your moon in the 12th, here is a description for that:
This position of the Moon indicates an emotional attachment and sensitivity to all that is ethereal, groundless, and eternal. As sensitive as you are, you often have delayed reactions to your own emotional experiences. You need frequent moments of solitude in order to recharge yourself emotionally, and this need, while strong, can also lead to feelings of isolation and of being misunderstood. While you are a perceptive person, you are often either flooded with emotions that are hard to define, or completely out of touch with what you are feeling. Either extreme keeps you from truly discovering your emotional needs. Negative expressions of this position are avoidance of responsibility, using hypersensitivity as an excuse to oneself (and perhaps to others) for not participating, or emotional immaturity. You are sympathetic to others' suffering, but not always emotionally available to help.
*Your own feelings and emotions are something of an enigma to you, and it is often difficult for you to share with others what you are feeling. You frequently withdraw from contact with the world, and need a healing, peaceful environment in order to blossom and come out of yourself. You identify with the oppressed, disenfranchised or underdog in any situation and want to help them or care for them in some way.
*Your own feelings and emotions are something of an enigma to you, and it is often difficult for you to share with others what you are feeling. You frequently withdraw from contact with the world, and need a healing, peaceful environment in order to blossom and come out of yourself. You identify with the oppressed, disenfranchised or underdog in any situation and want to help them or care for them in some way.
100%
I have actually been called an enigma by a romantic partner before. Seems I have a lot of emotional work to be done!
Posted by HuldraPosted by degenerate_ingenuePosted by Huldra
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off topic, but I am still working w figuring out Saturn synastry aspects. I'll have to find your thread again and add onto it. still a very interesting topic to me.
I have two. It's somewhere in sub astrology forums, if you mean the saturn in partner charts.
I was :/ because I'm sun sq moon personclick to expand
Aw it's not so bad!
@ashley1734 you're so welcome! I have the Moon trine Neptune with you 
. My moon is trine my Uranus. Moon sextiles my Sun and Mercury. It's really just the conjunction w Chiron that sucks! I have grown to adapt to it though, and I think I have healed from it though it is still always on my mind and in my psyche.
You must have your Libra ascendant in the early degrees for it to be your 12th house. I'm a Libra ascendant too! But my Ascendant is 26 degrees, so Virgo is still my 11th house. We have the same moon and ascendant
. My moon is trine my Uranus. Moon sextiles my Sun and Mercury. It's really just the conjunction w Chiron that sucks! I have grown to adapt to it though, and I think I have healed from it though it is still always on my mind and in my psyche. You must have your Libra ascendant in the early degrees for it to be your 12th house. I'm a Libra ascendant too! But my Ascendant is 26 degrees, so Virgo is still my 11th house. We have the same moon and ascendant
Posted by HuldraPosted by degenerate_ingenuePosted by Huldra
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off topic, but I am still working w figuring out Saturn synastry aspects. I'll have to find your thread again and add onto it. still a very interesting topic to me.
I have two. It's somewhere in sub astrology forums, if you mean the saturn in partner charts.
I was :/ because I'm sun sq moon personclick to expand
a lot of my friends have this aspect as well
Posted by degenerate_ingenue
@ashley1734 you're so welcome! I have the Moon trine Neptune with you
You must have your Libra ascendant in the early degrees for it to be your 12th house. I'm a Libra ascendant too! But my Ascendant is 26 degrees, so Virgo is still my 11th house. We have the same moon and ascendant
Libra is at 5°32' whatever that means?
Posted by Nevermore
My moon aries in 6th house:
Sun semi-square moon
Moon square Venus
Moon trine Jupiter
Moon sextile Saturn
Moon sesquiquadrates Pluto
Moon trine Chiron (wide)
Moon opposite ASC
Moon square MC
sorry I was MIA. I'll post yours too
@Nevermore the semi-square would be less prominent than the one I posted about the Sun sq. Moon. Some of that description may apply to you but is less heavy than the actual square.
Moon in the 6th house:
You have an emotional need to be useful, to work productively, to be organized and on top of things, and to lead a healthy life. If these matters are chaotic in your life, it's a symptom of emotional unrest. You need a lot of variety on the job--to be stimulated and engaged in order to feel happy. Some of you might seem to change jobs often, forever in search of the "perfect fit" job. Acceptance that any job requires some level of routine is hard for you. You are very sensitive, and especially aware of minor health annoyances or body aches and pains. Some of you have hypochondriac symptoms. Some attempt to get out of things they don't want to do by emphasizing health problems or even exaggerate illnesses in order to gain sympathy. At your best, however, you're a person who always helps out and shows your affection for others in practical ways in order to help them solve problems and improve their lives.
*You have a sympathetic nature and instinctively reach out to people in need of help. You also have a deeply ingrained tendency to want to improve or "fix" other people's lives, which can be annoying to the person who has no desire to be changed or "helped" in this way. For you, affection and caring must be expressed in tangible acts or service of some kind.
Moon in the 6th house:
You have an emotional need to be useful, to work productively, to be organized and on top of things, and to lead a healthy life. If these matters are chaotic in your life, it's a symptom of emotional unrest. You need a lot of variety on the job--to be stimulated and engaged in order to feel happy. Some of you might seem to change jobs often, forever in search of the "perfect fit" job. Acceptance that any job requires some level of routine is hard for you. You are very sensitive, and especially aware of minor health annoyances or body aches and pains. Some of you have hypochondriac symptoms. Some attempt to get out of things they don't want to do by emphasizing health problems or even exaggerate illnesses in order to gain sympathy. At your best, however, you're a person who always helps out and shows your affection for others in practical ways in order to help them solve problems and improve their lives.
*You have a sympathetic nature and instinctively reach out to people in need of help. You also have a deeply ingrained tendency to want to improve or "fix" other people's lives, which can be annoying to the person who has no desire to be changed or "helped" in this way. For you, affection and caring must be expressed in tangible acts or service of some kind.
Moon square or opposition Venus
Because these people value harmony, they may find themselves giving in to others too easily, especially in the first half of life. Resentment is possible, as they feel that they are the ones who seem to do all the acquiescing. There can be a distinct tendency to become friends (and lovers) with people too readily, simply because there is a strong need for approval and a hunger for receiving affection. As such, these people may get involved with people who seem to really like them, and they don't consider whether they actually like them back! It's somewhat of a weakness, as these people are very charmed by the idea that someone seems to really like them and appreciate them. Generally, one of life's lessons for these people is to learn to discriminate more and to get in touch with what they truly want and need.
The functions of the Moon (which rules the emotions and feelings, amongst other things) and the functions of Venus (which rules social relationships, harmony, and partnership, amongst other things) are at cross-purposes. When these people attempt to feed the needs of one function, it is often at the expense of the other, until they find some sort of balance. This can play out in a variety of ways. For example, there can be conflicts in partnerships about parenting or whether or not to have a family. They can find themselves compromising their own emotional needs in order to find and keep love. Peace and harmony are important to these people--perhaps too much so, as they can easily be taken advantage of. Insecurity is something that these people need to deal with at some point in their lives.
Very sensual, people with Moon in hard aspect to Venus sometimes replace love with food or shopping! They are also usually quite sexually active and sometimes quite lustful. They are usually skilled in the arts. There is a distinct lazy streak. Most are able to work hard, but they truly appreciate luxuriating and enjoying as many pleasures as possible, and self-discipline simply isn't always at their disposal!
Because these people value harmony, they may find themselves giving in to others too easily, especially in the first half of life. Resentment is possible, as they feel that they are the ones who seem to do all the acquiescing. There can be a distinct tendency to become friends (and lovers) with people too readily, simply because there is a strong need for approval and a hunger for receiving affection. As such, these people may get involved with people who seem to really like them, and they don't consider whether they actually like them back! It's somewhat of a weakness, as these people are very charmed by the idea that someone seems to really like them and appreciate them. Generally, one of life's lessons for these people is to learn to discriminate more and to get in touch with what they truly want and need.
The functions of the Moon (which rules the emotions and feelings, amongst other things) and the functions of Venus (which rules social relationships, harmony, and partnership, amongst other things) are at cross-purposes. When these people attempt to feed the needs of one function, it is often at the expense of the other, until they find some sort of balance. This can play out in a variety of ways. For example, there can be conflicts in partnerships about parenting or whether or not to have a family. They can find themselves compromising their own emotional needs in order to find and keep love. Peace and harmony are important to these people--perhaps too much so, as they can easily be taken advantage of. Insecurity is something that these people need to deal with at some point in their lives.
Very sensual, people with Moon in hard aspect to Venus sometimes replace love with food or shopping! They are also usually quite sexually active and sometimes quite lustful. They are usually skilled in the arts. There is a distinct lazy streak. Most are able to work hard, but they truly appreciate luxuriating and enjoying as many pleasures as possible, and self-discipline simply isn't always at their disposal!
Moon sextile or trine Jupiter
These people are generally pleasantly composed, due to an inner sense of harmony and emotional balance. They are optimistic--and realistically so, most of the time--which contributes to their overall "luck". They are able to get a real perspective on emotional matters that not only benefits their outlook, they are able to offer support to others when needed. Broad-mindedness is a wonderful characteristic. Quick to find humor in situations, these people are generally warm and fun to be around. Deep down, they believe in the basic goodness of people and of life in general, and this basic and natural attitude helps them to attract positive circumstances and to make good connections. One of their best qualities is tolerance. Usually, they don't take life too seriously in the sense that they believe in having a bit of fun. Their hunches are more often than not bang-on.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Jupiter have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
Moon sextile or trine Saturn
It's quite natural and easy for you to keep your cool during times of stress or emotional upheaval. You are able to employ common sense when others around you may be expressing fear or impatience, and you are generally respected for this ability. Your instincts are towards caution, responsibility, and moderation. Your habits are simple and moderate as well, and this comes so naturally to you that you may have trouble understanding others who are less orderly, disciplined, and grounded.
Moon trine Saturn: You do what seems right to you regardless of what others think. But what others think gets factored into your overall reality assessment which in turn determines what you do. You are accomplished, dutiful and disciplined in your daily habits. This leads to self-sacrifice without any great fanfare. You are talented but self-satisfied and content which keeps you aiming at the center of the road. This conservatism protects you from extremes of action so you may not accomplish much but you are always sufficiently productive to get rewarded for your efforts.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Saturn have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
These people are generally pleasantly composed, due to an inner sense of harmony and emotional balance. They are optimistic--and realistically so, most of the time--which contributes to their overall "luck". They are able to get a real perspective on emotional matters that not only benefits their outlook, they are able to offer support to others when needed. Broad-mindedness is a wonderful characteristic. Quick to find humor in situations, these people are generally warm and fun to be around. Deep down, they believe in the basic goodness of people and of life in general, and this basic and natural attitude helps them to attract positive circumstances and to make good connections. One of their best qualities is tolerance. Usually, they don't take life too seriously in the sense that they believe in having a bit of fun. Their hunches are more often than not bang-on.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Jupiter have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
Moon sextile or trine Saturn
It's quite natural and easy for you to keep your cool during times of stress or emotional upheaval. You are able to employ common sense when others around you may be expressing fear or impatience, and you are generally respected for this ability. Your instincts are towards caution, responsibility, and moderation. Your habits are simple and moderate as well, and this comes so naturally to you that you may have trouble understanding others who are less orderly, disciplined, and grounded.
Moon trine Saturn: You do what seems right to you regardless of what others think. But what others think gets factored into your overall reality assessment which in turn determines what you do. You are accomplished, dutiful and disciplined in your daily habits. This leads to self-sacrifice without any great fanfare. You are talented but self-satisfied and content which keeps you aiming at the center of the road. This conservatism protects you from extremes of action so you may not accomplish much but you are always sufficiently productive to get rewarded for your efforts.
The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Moon and Saturn have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
Moon opposition the Ascendant
When the Moon is opposite the Ascendant (and therefore conjunct the Descendant)...
You are intuitive, sympathetic, and sensitive, quick to sense the needs and emotions of others around you. However, the tendency to over-identify with the feelings of others can be draining, and you can lose touch with where your feelings start and end. Getting in touch with what it is that you need will be the main challenge, but a necessary one, as you can too easily confuse others and yourself, and dependency may be a problem in your life if you don't. Your manner is expressive and emotionally animated--you come across as either emotional or caring/nurturing (or both), and generally likable.
Moon square MC
Your emotions are quite strong and are very important to you, but you will have to resolve certain tensions. First of all, your needs and feelings may often conflict with what other people seem to expect of you. Or you may feel like going one way even though you know it would be better to go the opposite way. The problem is, there is no one answer as to which way you should go each time. Your feelings are sometimes more correct than rational judgments, which may be based on ideas taught by others with no thought for your individuality. You have to live with others, but at the same time you have to be yourself. If reason tells you to go one way and emotion says the opposite, think about your choices carefully. If the 'reasonable' path helps others but offers you very little, then your emotions may be trying to tell you what your real needs are. On the other hand, your feelings may come from old, outdated ideas and silly childish fears. You may be reluctant to face the world of growing up. You will need the advice of a faithful friend, perhaps one of your parents, who can show you which choice is best for you without having a stake in the result. As you get older, you should be able to make these decisions more easily. Your emotions and ideas about your life should reinforce each other. Take your time growing up, however; you may take longer than others, because you have farther to go.
When the Moon is opposite the Ascendant (and therefore conjunct the Descendant)...
You are intuitive, sympathetic, and sensitive, quick to sense the needs and emotions of others around you. However, the tendency to over-identify with the feelings of others can be draining, and you can lose touch with where your feelings start and end. Getting in touch with what it is that you need will be the main challenge, but a necessary one, as you can too easily confuse others and yourself, and dependency may be a problem in your life if you don't. Your manner is expressive and emotionally animated--you come across as either emotional or caring/nurturing (or both), and generally likable.
Moon square MC
Your emotions are quite strong and are very important to you, but you will have to resolve certain tensions. First of all, your needs and feelings may often conflict with what other people seem to expect of you. Or you may feel like going one way even though you know it would be better to go the opposite way. The problem is, there is no one answer as to which way you should go each time. Your feelings are sometimes more correct than rational judgments, which may be based on ideas taught by others with no thought for your individuality. You have to live with others, but at the same time you have to be yourself. If reason tells you to go one way and emotion says the opposite, think about your choices carefully. If the 'reasonable' path helps others but offers you very little, then your emotions may be trying to tell you what your real needs are. On the other hand, your feelings may come from old, outdated ideas and silly childish fears. You may be reluctant to face the world of growing up. You will need the advice of a faithful friend, perhaps one of your parents, who can show you which choice is best for you without having a stake in the result. As you get older, you should be able to make these decisions more easily. Your emotions and ideas about your life should reinforce each other. Take your time growing up, however; you may take longer than others, because you have farther to go.
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For your Moon trine Chiron, this is not a hard aspect so you won't have any issues. I haven't found anything on soft aspects to Chiron. But here is some info if you had a hard aspect (conjunct, square or opposed):
With hard Chiron-Moon aspects, there is a feeling of awkwardness about expressing our emotional needs. These people may easily tell others "I am really fine", and then privately resent them when they can't see the hollowness of that statement! There is a tendency to dramatize the emotions. Depending on the position of the Moon in the chart, this may take place on the inside or might be apparent to others. There can be a "bottomless pit" feeling on an emotional level--a feeling that emotional satisfaction is always just out of reach. Mothers with these aspects may often feel guilty that they are not doing enough for their kids. There can be a tendency for people with these aspects to pour their feelings out, and then feel guilty or awkward about doing so and they proceed to cover it up and avoid the issue.
Like for me, I have it conjunct my moon. The descript for that is (I made a thread in the moon section too about it):
When Chiron is attached to the Moon, either in the natal chart or via synastry, the Moon’s natural need to be fed, cherished and securely attached is never satisfied. We learn early on that the manifest world is not our refuge. It is replaced by an endless hunger that rarely abates until later life, and which can be easily re-stoked by circumstance. If we have the aspect in the natal chart, we are born with the sense that nothing is secure, but we make sad attempts to make ourselves secure anyway. These attempts are doomed to failure: any attempt at finding personal security in manifest reality, including ‘other’ is folly. And yet the hunger doesn’t go away. How we cope with the hunger defines our character. At first, this hunger represents our need for security, but as time goes on we become aware that something else is calling to us.
Chiron/Moon, more than any other aspect of Chiron, is prone to be the outsider, the ‘other.’ Chiron/Moon children, especially, are often the scapegoats on the block. We come into this world with the sense of not fitting in, something is ‘wrong’ with us. We may try to isolate ourselves from experience, but the hungry Moon keeps drawing us back into ordinary life again, only to tell us that we don’t belong (again). Attempts to try to fit in are also doomed. We know deep in our bones that we are not like ‘them,’ and yet are hard pressed to know why.
For your Moon trine Chiron, this is not a hard aspect so you won't have any issues. I haven't found anything on soft aspects to Chiron. But here is some info if you had a hard aspect (conjunct, square or opposed):
With hard Chiron-Moon aspects, there is a feeling of awkwardness about expressing our emotional needs. These people may easily tell others "I am really fine", and then privately resent them when they can't see the hollowness of that statement! There is a tendency to dramatize the emotions. Depending on the position of the Moon in the chart, this may take place on the inside or might be apparent to others. There can be a "bottomless pit" feeling on an emotional level--a feeling that emotional satisfaction is always just out of reach. Mothers with these aspects may often feel guilty that they are not doing enough for their kids. There can be a tendency for people with these aspects to pour their feelings out, and then feel guilty or awkward about doing so and they proceed to cover it up and avoid the issue.
Like for me, I have it conjunct my moon. The descript for that is (I made a thread in the moon section too about it):
When Chiron is attached to the Moon, either in the natal chart or via synastry, the Moon’s natural need to be fed, cherished and securely attached is never satisfied. We learn early on that the manifest world is not our refuge. It is replaced by an endless hunger that rarely abates until later life, and which can be easily re-stoked by circumstance. If we have the aspect in the natal chart, we are born with the sense that nothing is secure, but we make sad attempts to make ourselves secure anyway. These attempts are doomed to failure: any attempt at finding personal security in manifest reality, including ‘other’ is folly. And yet the hunger doesn’t go away. How we cope with the hunger defines our character. At first, this hunger represents our need for security, but as time goes on we become aware that something else is calling to us.
Chiron/Moon, more than any other aspect of Chiron, is prone to be the outsider, the ‘other.’ Chiron/Moon children, especially, are often the scapegoats on the block. We come into this world with the sense of not fitting in, something is ‘wrong’ with us. We may try to isolate ourselves from experience, but the hungry Moon keeps drawing us back into ordinary life again, only to tell us that we don’t belong (again). Attempts to try to fit in are also doomed. We know deep in our bones that we are not like ‘them,’ and yet are hard pressed to know why.
Posted by ashley1734Posted by degenerate_ingenue
@ashley1734 you're so welcome! I have the Moon trine Neptune with you
You must have your Libra ascendant in the early degrees for it to be your 12th house. I'm a Libra ascendant too! But my Ascendant is 26 degrees, so Virgo is still my 11th house. We have the same moon and ascendant
Libra is at 5°32' whatever that means?click to expand
That just means your first house mainly contains Libra! Mine mainly contains Scorpio because it is so close to the cusp! I'm a Scorp Sun so this puts a lot of my planets in the first house and my Virgo moon in the 11th instead of the 12th
Posted by degenerate_ingenuePosted by ashley1734Posted by degenerate_ingenue
@ashley1734 you're so welcome! I have the Moon trine Neptune with you
You must have your Libra ascendant in the early degrees for it to be your 12th house. I'm a Libra ascendant too! But my Ascendant is 26 degrees, so Virgo is still my 11th house. We have the same moon and ascendant
Libra is at 5°32' whatever that means?
That just means your first house mainly contains Libra! Mine mainly contains Scorpio because it is so close to the cusp! I'm a Scorp Sun so this puts a lot of my planets in the first house and my Virgo moon in the 11th instead of the 12thclick to expand
Oh ok, does it have more influence when it's in the 12th than like 1st or 2nd?
Posted by ashley1734Posted by degenerate_ingenuePosted by ashley1734Posted by degenerate_ingenue
@ashley1734 you're so welcome! I have the Moon trine Neptune with you
You must have your Libra ascendant in the early degrees for it to be your 12th house. I'm a Libra ascendant too! But my Ascendant is 26 degrees, so Virgo is still my 11th house. We have the same moon and ascendant
Libra is at 5°32' whatever that means?
That just means your first house mainly contains Libra! Mine mainly contains Scorpio because it is so close to the cusp! I'm a Scorp Sun so this puts a lot of my planets in the first house and my Virgo moon in the 11th instead of the 12th
Oh ok, does it have more influence when it's in the 12th than like 1st or 2nd?click to expand
I think the 12th house moon is a very "deep" moon. I have quite a few friends with this moon! the 1st house is the house of self, so the moon would be:
First House Moon:
Your feelings are right out there for everyone to see, and you can come across as emotional and impatient, or nurturing and caring (or both). Your first reaction is emotional, especially if the Moon is in close proximity (within ten degrees) of the Ascendant degree. You need emotional stimulation, movement, and freedom to express yourself in order to feel happy and fulfilled. Your moods are very changeable, and this can be quite obvious to others. Because of your emotional sensitivity, you might often take things too personally, and react too quickly. Developing an awareness that others' emotions are just as important, even if they are not as overt and immediate as yours, will be important.
*You have a soft exterior and tend to relate very personally and sympathetically to other people. However, you sometimes let your emotions overpower your reasoning and logic, and consequently you are sometimes biased in your opinions. You are impressionable and rather gentle, or at least that is the way you appear. Your feelings are on the surface and you can not hide your emotions.
The 2nd house is the house of possessions/money.
This moon is:
When it comes to money, you can be generous and frivolous in your spending habits one day, and frugal the next. You can be quite afraid of being in debt, and need to feel that the bills are paid in order to feel secure and safe. This is likely also true of s
2nd house moon:
When it comes to money, you can be generous and frivolous in your spending habits one day, and frugal the next. You can be quite afraid of being in debt, and need to feel that the bills are paid in order to feel secure and safe. This is likely also true of savings, as you fear being without. Still, there are times when you can spend impulsively, on a whim, and this is likely when you are feeling emotionally frustrated. You might also hold onto people quite tightly. Vanity can be an issue. You are often looking for admiration, and you can be quite dependent on others for positive feedback until you learn to develop your own feelings of self-worth. You're not as emotionally responsive as most people. You tend to hold back and wait before expressing yourself, and when you do it is with deliberation.
*You are likely to be a great collector of things - a real pack rat in fact - for your belongings give you a sense of security and continuity with the past, which is important to you. Antiques or things with sentimental value from your past are especially dear to you.
You may also cling rather tightly to both money and possessions, keeping them "in the family" rather than sharing freely with those outside of your immediate circle.
When it comes to money, you can be generous and frivolous in your spending habits one day, and frugal the next. You can be quite afraid of being in debt, and need to feel that the bills are paid in order to feel secure and safe. This is likely also true of savings, as you fear being without. Still, there are times when you can spend impulsively, on a whim, and this is likely when you are feeling emotionally frustrated. You might also hold onto people quite tightly. Vanity can be an issue. You are often looking for admiration, and you can be quite dependent on others for positive feedback until you learn to develop your own feelings of self-worth. You're not as emotionally responsive as most people. You tend to hold back and wait before expressing yourself, and when you do it is with deliberation.
*You are likely to be a great collector of things - a real pack rat in fact - for your belongings give you a sense of security and continuity with the past, which is important to you. Antiques or things with sentimental value from your past are especially dear to you.
You may also cling rather tightly to both money and possessions, keeping them "in the family" rather than sharing freely with those outside of your immediate circle.
a lot of my friends have 2nd house moons, 12th house moons, 5th house moons and I think 10th...I'll have to double check
I have a few friends w 7th, 8th, 9th house moons but not nearly as many as the above.
I have a few friends w 7th, 8th, 9th house moons but not nearly as many as the above.
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