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Neptune is a planet (dreams/illusions/fantasy) that's just as 'negative' as Saturn (fears/restrictions)
but they must be the 2 faces of the same coin (also explains cap/pisces connection if that's what you're into)
coz fear has to be a perversion of a dream
take note of Neptune through generations:
after reading through 50s horror comics, let's just say that i'm now a certified expert at killing my spouse whether it's a bomb in a cake or poison in wine for our anniversary. makes sense coz 50s culture was so obsessed with pairing up or being in a couple. and you're considered 'old' when you don't have a boyfriend at 20. understanding this generation's fear (maricide) gives you a clue to its generational dream and no wonder coz Neptune was in Libra for them. It was a generation in love with love and society. they can afford that fantasy-dream-illusion.
coz the generation that came before them won their war (Neptune in Virgo) and as we know, Virgo is associated with order, duty, service and this generation naturally produced many war heroes with strong Virgo influence. it was a time when sacrifices were made. and when sacrificing yourself was idealized, elevated to the highest honor. we'll see the mark of Virgo energy again in the 60s when Pluto is in Virgo with a string of assassinations of men turned martyrs for their ideals. idealism that it shares with its polarity Pisces, only that Virgo thinks that there can be a perfect world, a better world than now. and that generation had to face its fear in the dirty trenches, the chaos of war.... the natural fears of the tidy, ordered world of Virgo. but a funny thing, that's the time when organized crime became a HUGE thing too coz that's the only type of crime Virgo can get into..... organized. also many a Virgo are mobsters- faces of the same coin. the shadow side of Virgo is its mutable nature- that they can live double lives.
and things were ripe for change in the 60s coz of Neptune in Scorpio (think phoenix themes of transformation-rebirth). this was the time not only of sexual awakening but a time when people can take a break from the ideals of the previous Neptune in Libra society. the generation's dream was to break away from being told what to do (dominated by old, stagnant power in contrast to their Taurus polarity) and their greatest fear was to be silenced (in connection to Scorpios being whistle-blowers).
the Neptune in Sag generation that comes after that will of course embrace multiculturalism, a world with a little bit of everything- themes of Jupiterian expansion. when you go to India and get a spiritual awakening like Brad Pitt and act all depressed on your couch even though you have a lot of money from a lifetime of being a stingy miser. you'll notice horror movies where a serial killer stalks friends of various MBTI personality types, preventing them from enjoying their camping trip-vacation-spiritual journey. cuts their tires to prevent them from mobilizing (one of Sag great fears other than spending money on anyone).
and what comes after that is Neptune in Capricorn which is synonymous to dreams of ruthless power. covering the 80s- themes of greed is good. ambitions-leaders-entrepreneurs. and a lot of their horror movies touch on power struggles maybe even disguised as action movies, cluing us into the nature of Capricorn fears.
then of course there's the revolutionary Neptune in Aquarius and you can see that with what's happening right now.
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You go into such specific details on stuff. Lmao. Your Pisces bits at work! 😂😂😂
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great thread, very interesting treatment of Neptune through the signs for those time periods, and that's a unique angle around the cultural portrayal of the fear-aspect...Neptune in Sag paragraph kilt me 😂...
My favorite book on astro I always mention, Richard Tarnas' _Cosmos and Psyche_, is all about the outer transits; he mainly treats their oppositions and conjunctions with one another and the corresponding historical patterns. He has a big interest in Neptune and Uranus in particular (argues that for the latter, Prometheus is the more accurate archetype in mythology than Ouranos, Saturn's father, which seems correct). He notes that even the time periods around the actual discovery of these planets has a pronounced emphasis on the themes associated with them. On Neptune:
"As with the period of Uranus’s discovery in 1781, the discovery of Neptune in 1846 coincided with a range of synchronistic historical and cultural phenomena in the immediately surrounding decades, and more generally in the nineteenth century, that are distinctly suggestive of the corresponding archetype. These include the rapid spread of spiritualism throughout the world beginning in the late 1840s, the upsurge of utopian social ideologies at the same time, the rise of universalist and communitarian aspirations in both secular and religious movements, the full ascendancy of Idealist and Romantic philosophies of spirit and the imagination, the widespread cultural influence of Transcendentalism, the new popular interest in both Eastern mystical and Western esoteric traditions, and the emergence of theosophy. Here too could be cited the rise of the recreational use of psychoactive drugs in European bohemian circles, the beginning of the chemical and pharmaceutical industries, and the invention of anesthetics. The invention and cultural impact of photography and the early experiments in motion pictures, as well as the new aesthetic spirit of Impressionism and Post-Impressionism, were characteristic of the Neptune archetype in its association with image, reflection, subjectivity, illusion, and multiple realities. The growing focus on the unconscious, dreams, myths, hypnosis, and non-ordinary states of consciousness in the decades after Neptune’s discovery is also suggestive of the archetype. So also was the distinct collective emergence of a more socially compassionate humanitarian sensibility that was expressed in the public attitudes, social legislation, art and literature of the Victorian era and the nineteenth century generally (the novels of Dickens and Stowe, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, the abolition of slavery and serfdom, the movements and laws to limit child labor and other cruelties of industrial capitalism, the first laws abolishing capital punishment, the wave of foundings of societies for the protection of animals, the growing role of women in shaping social policy, the beginning of modern nursing through the work of Florence Nightingale, the spread of care for the sick and wounded in war, the first Geneva Convention, the founding of the International Red Cross, etc.)."