Ownard
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Trying to break my Nice Guy ways.
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But what's wrong with the nice guy?
Posted by TheRabbitwhat's the difference?Posted by FragranceThere's a difference between a "nice guy" and a "good man".
But what's wrong with the nice guy?
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Posted by TheRabbitAh okay. I didn't know, thanks!Posted by FragranceEmotional manipulation, clingyness, etc.Posted by TheRabbitwhat's the difference?Posted by FragranceThere's a difference between a "nice guy" and a "good man".
But what's wrong with the nice guy?
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"The second kind of nice guy is the one who has ulterior motives. He believes that because he behaves in a certain way the world owes him for his actions. He doesn't make it clear what he desires from the beginning and becomes angry when he doesn't get what he wants."
Then I suppose this is what OP is talking about
The actually nice guy isn't egocentric to such an extent, that he believes he adores a woman when in fact he only adores the idea of being adored back. The good guy respects women, respects their freedom of choice, and the way they feel. He doesn't position himself superiorly or inferiorly to her. The manipulative "nice guy", seems to be the kind of person who doesn't see an individual/a woman's individuality, what he sees is daydreams about what he's gonna get.
You don't have to be a "bad boy", you don't have to be anything that books tell you to be. Do you really want to invest in a stupid book that targeted insecure boys? Don't let anything make you believe you have to change your whole personality in order to be loved... Self-improvement is one thing, but "how to be..." whatever is an insolent obscenity.
Regardless of gender and star sign, I think it's pretty safe to argue that if somebody encourages interaction with you, they like you. It can be confusing with the timid types, but even they lack the (subtle) enthusiasm and engagement of a woman who's interested in you. She will either get more passionate than usual or more awkward than usual... depending on her personality. When she likes you, that one thing which is special about her enhances and amplifies.
Mutual feelings have nothing to do with the bad/nice guy...
Now, you asked in your post how to attract " the women I like?" You can of course describe the women you like, did you observe a pattern? A woman on dxp who will identify with your type can instruct you in the way you should behave and how to flirt, you might even come back to thank her 'cause you started dating a girl you like thanks to her tips. Wouldn't it be unfair to your date though? Does it mean you'd keep coming on dxp asking how to everything with her? Do you want to get involved in something you have no idea about... sounds so dependable...
You don't have to be a "bad boy", you don't have to be anything that books tell you to be. Do you really want to invest in a stupid book that targeted insecure boys? Don't let anything make you believe you have to change your whole personality in order to be loved... Self-improvement is one thing, but "how to be..." whatever is an insolent obscenity.
Regardless of gender and star sign, I think it's pretty safe to argue that if somebody encourages interaction with you, they like you. It can be confusing with the timid types, but even they lack the (subtle) enthusiasm and engagement of a woman who's interested in you. She will either get more passionate than usual or more awkward than usual... depending on her personality. When she likes you, that one thing which is special about her enhances and amplifies.
Mutual feelings have nothing to do with the bad/nice guy...
Now, you asked in your post how to attract " the women I like?" You can of course describe the women you like, did you observe a pattern? A woman on dxp who will identify with your type can instruct you in the way you should behave and how to flirt, you might even come back to thank her 'cause you started dating a girl you like thanks to her tips. Wouldn't it be unfair to your date though? Does it mean you'd keep coming on dxp asking how to everything with her? Do you want to get involved in something you have no idea about... sounds so dependable...
Posted by GeminiGirl052388Yeah, I've been friendzoned too many times for my liking. This is why I want to change.
I get ya. I used to be a nice girl. But after so many bad experiences... i bid the nice girl goodbye.
Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Posted by Jayc3onThanks mate, will do.
Read this book How to be 3% man by corey wayne.
Don’t change your personality. Maybe just your look. Go more edgy. Wear black shirts.
Posted by FragranceWhat I'm aiming to do with this is build up my ability to flirt and banter with women better than I have been. I've been friendzoned more times than I care to admit. I have trouble projecting my intentions and escalating my relationships with girls that I like. I want to work on that and reading these books help me since i never had a male role model in my life. I'm learning and developing this so that I don't have to come back to dxp and ask for advice, so that I can do it on my own. I wish to learn, and what better way to do so than from those who already know.
The actually nice guy isn't egocentric to such an extent, that he believes he adores a woman when in fact he only adores the idea of being adored back. The good guy respects women, respects their freedom of choice, and the way they feel. He doesn't position himself superiorly or inferiorly to her. The manipulative "nice guy", seems to be the kind of person who doesn't see an individual/a woman's individuality, what he sees is daydreams about what he's gonna get.
You don't have to be a "bad boy", you don't have to be anything that books tell you to be. Do you really want to invest in a stupid book that targeted insecure boys? Don't let anything make you believe you have to change your whole personality in order to be loved... Self-improvement is one thing, but "how to be..." whatever is an insolent obscenity.
Regardless of gender and star sign, I think it's pretty safe to argue that if somebody encourages interaction with you, they like you. It can be confusing with the timid types, but even they lack the (subtle) enthusiasm and engagement of a woman who's interested in you. She will either get more passionate than usual or more awkward than usual... depending on her personality. When she likes you, that one thing which is special about her enhances and amplifies.
Mutual feelings have nothing to do with the bad/nice guy...
Now, you asked in your post how to attract " the women I like?" You can of course describe the women you like, did you observe a pattern? A woman on dxp who will identify with your type can instruct you in the way you should behave and how to flirt, you might even come back to thank her 'cause you started dating a girl you like thanks to her tips. Wouldn't it be unfair to your date though? Does it mean you'd keep coming on dxp asking how to everything with her? Do you want to get involved in something you have no idea about... sounds so dependable...
Posted by OwnardJust be upfront from the get-go and move onto a new woman if you get rejected. You can still be friends, just dont always be available.
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
Posted by pinkbird03I may not have made this clear enough in my original post, but I'm not aiming to change my personality, I'm aiming to improve my ability to interact and flirt with the women I like. I'm trying to develop skills. I mean, I'm also changing up my look aswell, I'm working out and am planning on investing in a leather jacket as I've always wanted one of those.
Don’t change your personality. Maybe just your look. Go more edgy. Wear black shirts.
Posted by OwnardHmm gotcha. You should go on bumble and tinder. 1. You can practice your flirting techniques 2. You could possibly find someone that’s interested in dating youPosted by pinkbird03I may not have made this clear enough in my original post, but I'm not aiming to change my personality, I'm aiming to improve my ability to interact and flirt with the women I like. I'm trying to develop skills. I mean, I'm also changing up my look aswell, I'm working out and am planning on investing in a leather jacket as I've always wanted one of those.
Don’t change your personality. Maybe just your look. Go more edgy. Wear black shirts.click to expand
Posted by pinkbird03If I'm being honest, I'm beginning to favour face to face flirting so I'm gonna work for a few months and learn what I can then get out there and meet people.Posted by OwnardHmm gotcha. You should go on bumble and tinder. 1. You can practice your flirting techniques 2. You could possibly find someone that’s interested in dating youPosted by pinkbird03I may not have made this clear enough in my original post, but I'm not aiming to change my personality, I'm aiming to improve my ability to interact and flirt with the women I like. I'm trying to develop skills. I mean, I'm also changing up my look aswell, I'm working out and am planning on investing in a leather jacket as I've always wanted one of those.
Don’t change your personality. Maybe just your look. Go more edgy. Wear black shirts.
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Posted by JuliietteWell that is what we were before I developed feelings for her. I wasn't interested in a relationship with her at first, I'd just managed to find someone who I could be myself around and as I got to know her better, I developed feelings. To be completely honest, we didn't have many boundaries and the amount of time we spent together and how we were when we were together, people around us kept asking if we were a couple. I asked her out and she rejected me and said she would rather be friends. And trust me, I've been friend zoned by every single girl I've liked and had some sort of connection with because I couldn't flirt properly and didn't project my intentions, that is why I want to improve them.
but even if you improve your flirting technique though i have no idea what that is really, except being yourself, you will always be friend zoned form time to time. you probably just made a mistake by accepting the title of being the best male friend, to the extent that in the op you called her my girl best friend.
Posted by TomSawyerI told her how I felt and asked her out on a date and she rejected me and said she would rather just be friends with me.Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
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Posted by SupesI'm just trying to improve my ability to flirt and make my intentions clear. If I don't get a favourable reaction, I know to move on.Posted by rabidtalkerIt’s not about being available. If a woman isn’t responding to you favorably, move on. We all know women have their phones on them 24/7 (if they use it).Posted by OwnardJust be upfront from the get-go and move onto a new woman if you get rejected. You can still be friends, just dont always be available.
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
click to expand
Posted by OwnardPosted by pinkbird03If I'm being honest, I'm beginning to favour face to face flirting so I'm gonna work for a few months and learn what I can then get out there and meet people.Posted by OwnardHmm gotcha. You should go on bumble and tinder. 1. You can practice your flirting techniques 2. You could possibly find someone that’s interested in dating youPosted by pinkbird03I may not have made this clear enough in my original post, but I'm not aiming to change my personality, I'm aiming to improve my ability to interact and flirt with the women I like. I'm trying to develop skills. I mean, I'm also changing up my look aswell, I'm working out and am planning on investing in a leather jacket as I've always wanted one of those.
Don’t change your personality. Maybe just your look. Go more edgy. Wear black shirts.
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Good luck! Because it’s impossible. Online dating is the way to go.
Posted by Ownardi was curioius so i read some excerpts on that book on amazon.com
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
it says women can spot a shy guy a mile away.
it's all about confidence.
and it is interesting but it says that these men are very disconnected. meaning disconnected with women.
go read the excerpts.
https://www.amazon.com/How-Bad-Boy-Women-Love/dp/0971907617
You'll need to work on you first. Your confidence and self esteem are essential building blocks to getting what you're looking to accomplish. I just sent you a message regarding how to start this process, but you'll need to focus less on "proving" yourself and more on being internally (and possibly externally) strong.
Don't worry about being a "player" or a "bad boy", it's all about being direct and decisive. It's also about having the confidence of finding a confident woman. Being a player or a bad boy is effective for guys who are seeking women with low self esteem. Trust me, you don't want to attract those type of women.
Don't worry about being a "player" or a "bad boy", it's all about being direct and decisive. It's also about having the confidence of finding a confident woman. Being a player or a bad boy is effective for guys who are seeking women with low self esteem. Trust me, you don't want to attract those type of women.
Posted by TomSawyerIn case you weren't following his previous posts detailing his situation:Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
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https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/leo/how-can-i-flirt-with-this-leo--9417786/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-i-tell-her-i-like-her-more-than-a-friend--9458687/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today--9554775/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today-update--9703716/
As you can tell this particular series of events has kept my attention.
How do you think you will fundamentally change your personality?
I don't think you can
Just be a good man and one day you will meet a good woman
I don't think you can
Just be a good man and one day you will meet a good woman
Posted by MyStarsShinethere's so many books and articles on how to be ___ a man
How do you think you will fundamentally change your personality?
I don't think you can
Just be a good man and one day you will meet a good woman
a good woman will find a good man, OP.
she wont care if you are super shy and super nice.
Posted by KoniuchaaPosted by pinkbird03Online dating is a nightmare. I’m dating someone I met at work, so it’s not impossiblePosted by OwnardPosted by pinkbird03If I'm being honest, I'm beginning to favour face to face flirting so I'm gonna work for a few months and learn what I can then get out there and meet people.Posted by OwnardHmm gotcha. You should go on bumble and tinder. 1. You can practice your flirting techniques 2. You could possibly find someone that’s interested in dating youPosted by pinkbird03I may not have made this clear enough in my original post, but I'm not aiming to change my personality, I'm aiming to improve my ability to interact and flirt with the women I like. I'm trying to develop skills. I mean, I'm also changing up my look aswell, I'm working out and am planning on investing in a leather jacket as I've always wanted one of those.
Don’t change your personality. Maybe just your look. Go more edgy. Wear black shirts.
Good luck! Because it’s impossible. Online dating is the way to go.
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Work is a good place. But anywhere public is tooooo difficult. I have tons of confidence, but I can’t just talk to random strangers I’m interested in without knowing anything and feeling comfortable. I like online dating so I get to know them behind the curtain.
Posted by KoniuchaaPosted by pinkbird03Oh I definitely never walk up to strangers. Online dating was just a horrible experience for me and said never againPosted by KoniuchaaPosted by pinkbird03Online dating is a nightmare. I’m dating someone I met at work, so it’s not impossiblePosted by OwnardPosted by pinkbird03If I'm being honest, I'm beginning to favour face to face flirting so I'm gonna work for a few months and learn what I can then get out there and meet people.Posted by OwnardHmm gotcha. You should go on bumble and tinder. 1. You can practice your flirting techniques 2. You could possibly find someone that’s interested in dating youPosted by pinkbird03I may not have made this clear enough in my original post, but I'm not aiming to change my personality, I'm aiming to improve my ability to interact and flirt with the women I like. I'm trying to develop skills. I mean, I'm also changing up my look aswell, I'm working out and am planning on investing in a leather jacket as I've always wanted one of those.
Don’t change your personality. Maybe just your look. Go more edgy. Wear black shirts.
Good luck! Because it’s impossible. Online dating is the way to go.
Work is a good place. But anywhere public is tooooo difficult. I have tons of confidence, but I can’t just talk to random strangers I’m interested in without knowing anything and feeling comfortable. I like online dating so I get to know them behind the curtain.
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Oh I believe you. I haven’t had a ton of luck on there. Hopefully I don’t have to go back on and everything works out with my current love interest, but we will see!
Posted by Ownard
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
Probably you friendzoned yourself ..you always approached her as friend
Posted by Supeseven better.Posted by rabidtalkerIt’s not about being available. If a woman isn’t responding to you favorably, move on. We all know women have their phones on them 24/7 (if they use it).Posted by OwnardJust be upfront from the get-go and move onto a new woman if you get rejected. You can still be friends, just dont always be available.
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
click to expand
Posted by OwnardI don't think I'm one to give advice here but maybe just be comfortable with what you want
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
in a relationship? Im assuming being a nice guy refers to someone that is always okay with
having their wants and needs sidelined or pushed under to not seem like an ass or jerk?
To undermine your needs? I honestly believe if you are trying too hard to get with
someone then you shouldn't even be with them. Keep it natural and organic.
You push, She pushes too. It's not just you you you.
Love what you have and let them see it.
and no...haha no just whats down stairs. but
your talents and your own style /who you are.
You see their value so let them see yours too.
Lol I really don’t understand what OP is saying.
There is nothing wrong with being a nice guy. Or a good man.
Your problem is you are too available and conformist
Exo is right too. No point in switching your style up to bag women when you have no game plan for it.
And you don’t know how to deal with women it’s going to blow up badly.
Get your own self together. And then set boundaries and expectations. Then You won’t have problems finding a girl you like.
Just know you can make any woman pay attention. Its still on them to want you. Rejection and misses come with the territory
There is nothing wrong with being a nice guy. Or a good man.
Your problem is you are too available and conformist
Exo is right too. No point in switching your style up to bag women when you have no game plan for it.
And you don’t know how to deal with women it’s going to blow up badly.
Get your own self together. And then set boundaries and expectations. Then You won’t have problems finding a girl you like.
Just know you can make any woman pay attention. Its still on them to want you. Rejection and misses come with the territory
The problem is once you're the bad guy you don't care anymore, and end up a m loner because of that. It comes with the package.
One day she will realize you were the best she could have had. She could even be old and alone by then, or have all the money in the world but still feel no connection or loved.
I've played the bad guy with women my whole life. I've ended up with a bunch of crazy bitches trying to get me to commit when really I want nothing to do with them. I've never been rejected once in my life, so I'm afraid what will happen to my ego if I try with someone I really want to make happy. So I end up alone. With nothing but a bottle of liquor.
The way with dealing with rejection isn't turning into a bad guy. That will just lead you down a path you hate. Better thing to do is move on and go to the next. You don't need her if she doesn't need you, but guess what? There's a woman out there that wants your warm genuine embrace, and will want hold you tight as you look down into her eyes. Bad guys don't get that. We ruin women.
One day she will realize you were the best she could have had. She could even be old and alone by then, or have all the money in the world but still feel no connection or loved.
I've played the bad guy with women my whole life. I've ended up with a bunch of crazy bitches trying to get me to commit when really I want nothing to do with them. I've never been rejected once in my life, so I'm afraid what will happen to my ego if I try with someone I really want to make happy. So I end up alone. With nothing but a bottle of liquor.
The way with dealing with rejection isn't turning into a bad guy. That will just lead you down a path you hate. Better thing to do is move on and go to the next. You don't need her if she doesn't need you, but guess what? There's a woman out there that wants your warm genuine embrace, and will want hold you tight as you look down into her eyes. Bad guys don't get that. We ruin women.
Posted by TomSawyerYeah, it's a bit pathetic, ain't it?Posted by ChuckcemI'm speechless..Posted by TomSawyerIn case you weren't following his previous posts detailing his situation:Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/leo/how-can-i-flirt-with-this-leo--9417786/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-i-tell-her-i-like-her-more-than-a-friend--9458687/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today--9554775/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today-update--9703716/
As you can tell this particular series of events has kept my attention.
@Ownard
Brother, you are the king of Pisces.
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Posted by ChuckcemThanks a bunch chuck. I'll check out your message and do what I can. I'm reading these books because I simply just want to learn and this seems to be the most effective way to do so. I'm going to be sorting myself out so I don't have to post a string of posts for advice
You'll need to work on you first. Your confidence and self esteem are essential building blocks to getting what you're looking to accomplish. I just sent you a message regarding how to start this process, but you'll need to focus less on "proving" yourself and more on being internally (and possibly externally) strong.
Don't worry about being a "player" or a "bad boy", it's all about being direct and decisive. It's also about having the confidence of finding a confident woman. Being a player or a bad boy is effective for guys who are seeking women with low self esteem. Trust me, you don't want to attract those type of women.
Posted by JuliietteYeah, I have one willing to but he is so busy all the time.
Ok i read your threads. You need a guy friend with whom you will go out.
Posted by xXxBitcheroniiiXxXAny way to get to level 0?
You seem to be at level 2.
Posted by LoveSeekerYeah, this is what and why I'm trying to learn and improve. I did attempt to flirt but they weren't very good a d I don't think she got that message.Posted by Ownard
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
Probably you friendzoned yourself ..you always approached her as friend
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Posted by SoulAs I've said before. I'm not trying to become a bad boy. I want to improve my ability to flirt and make my intentions known and develop my abilities in this department. I'm not going to change myself because I don't want to decisive myself, I want to improve skills.
The problem is once you're the bad guy you don't care anymore, and end up a m loner because of that. It comes with the package.
One day she will realize you were the best she could have had. She could even be old and alone by then, or have all the money in the world but still feel no connection or loved.
I've played the bad guy with women my whole life. I've ended up with a bunch of crazy bitches trying to get me to commit when really I want nothing to do with them. I've never been rejected once in my life, so I'm afraid what will happen to my ego if I try with someone I really want to make happy. So I end up alone. With nothing but a bottle of liquor.
The way with dealing with rejection isn't turning into a bad guy. That will just lead you down a path you hate. Better thing to do is move on and go to the next. You don't need her if she doesn't need you, but guess what? There's a woman out there that wants your warm genuine embrace, and will want hold you tight as you look down into her eyes. Bad guys don't get that. We ruin women.
Posted by OwnardYou shouldn’t try to not be a nice guy. The thing is, the majority of us appreciate it. I can’t speak for all women.
Hey guys,
I was recently rejected by my Girl Best Friend and this opened my eyes to why I have been friendzoned like this now and in the past. I am the stereotypical Nice Guy. I am trying to break these habits and have been reading some literature and articles online about this. The main things I am trying to improve are my flirting and making my intentions clear. This is the part I have trouble with. Is there any tips or advice people can give me to help me break my nice guy tendancies and be able to flirt and attract the women I like? Any advice or literature is helpful to me. Thanks
Models - Mark Manson (In progress).
How to be the Bad Boy Women Love - Ron Louis and David Copperfield.
But as for as seriously relationships, nothing is more beautiful and sexy than a man who can choose a different path, but wants to travel down the one we’re going.
Posted by TomSawyerNo, I don't wear hats at all.Posted by OwnardYeah but now I'm more interested in the fedora.Posted by TomSawyerYeah, it's a bit pathetic, ain't it?Posted by ChuckcemI'm speechless..Posted by TomSawyerIn case you weren't following his previous posts detailing his situation:Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/leo/how-can-i-flirt-with-this-leo--9417786/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-i-tell-her-i-like-her-more-than-a-friend--9458687/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today--9554775/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today-update--9703716/
As you can tell this particular series of events has kept my attention.
@Ownard
Brother, you are the king of Pisces.
Do you wear a fedora?
It would explain alotclick to expand
Posted by TomSawyerWell this is interesting. Has it ever worked for you?Posted by OwnardOkay, try this next time.Posted by TomSawyerNo, I don't wear hats at all.Posted by OwnardYeah but now I'm more interested in the fedora.Posted by TomSawyerYeah, it's a bit pathetic, ain't it?Posted by ChuckcemI'm speechless..Posted by TomSawyerIn case you weren't following his previous posts detailing his situation:Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/leo/how-can-i-flirt-with-this-leo--9417786/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-i-tell-her-i-like-her-more-than-a-friend--9458687/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today--9554775/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today-update--9703716/
As you can tell this particular series of events has kept my attention.
@Ownard
Brother, you are the king of Pisces.
Do you wear a fedora?
It would explain alot
Invite her anywhere, sit down so she's facing you, take a 4 second stare at her tits, make sure she sees you doing this.
After the 4 seconds, keep looking at them and say this "you actually have nice breasts".
She will be confused and smile, she will ask you like " what?".
Continue with bullshit "alot of girls usually got something off, yours are nice tho. Then again, haven't seen them yet".
Continue the date like nothing happened.click to expand
Posted by SeleukosAgain, I'm not wanting to become a "bad boy". I simply want to develop my skills and learn.
As someone who got called bad boy and nice guy all over the place although i was just doing what i always do i can tell you those terms are bullshit.
Some women called me both in a span of minutes.
There are bad boys that genuinely care about the women and nice guys who are plain assholes.
The best way is to be yourself. Everything leads to nothing but trouble in the long run.
I know you said you just want to get better at flirting but the same thing applies to flirting.
You just have to get over the fear of social rejection, which is the biggest hinderance for men when it comes to flirting.
Above all things: Flirting should be fun. You should find a way of flirting that you are okay with and you can enjoy. Even if it leads to nothing. If you use flirting as a chore you go through to get someone into the sheets it would get you nowhere in the end.
Elaboration:
Two of the main atributes of a classical bad boy are his independence and that he does that he wants.
Those attributes are not exclusive to assholes. You can be friendly in you own way.
A bad boy who is bad boy because it works doesn't really understand what makes a bad boy special.
Posted by SeleukosThanksPosted by OwnardI know, I got that.Posted by SeleukosAgain, I'm not wanting to become a "bad boy". I simply want to develop my skills and learn.
As someone who got called bad boy and nice guy all over the place although i was just doing what i always do i can tell you those terms are bullshit.
Some women called me both in a span of minutes.
There are bad boys that genuinely care about the women and nice guys who are plain assholes.
The best way is to be yourself. Everything leads to nothing but trouble in the long run.
I know you said you just want to get better at flirting but the same thing applies to flirting.
You just have to get over the fear of social rejection, which is the biggest hinderance for men when it comes to flirting.
Above all things: Flirting should be fun. You should find a way of flirting that you are okay with and you can enjoy. Even if it leads to nothing. If you use flirting as a chore you go through to get someone into the sheets it would get you nowhere in the end.
Elaboration:
Two of the main atributes of a classical bad boy are his independence and that he does that he wants.
Those attributes are not exclusive to assholes. You can be friendly in you own way.
A bad boy who is bad boy because it works doesn't really understand what makes a bad boy special.
Thats why i pointed out what the main obstacles are and what good aspects regarding the process of flirting of the bad boy you want to integrate.
The rest was more of an extended explanation to be as clear as possible.click to expand
Posted by TomSawyerEh, I don't think I'm all that good looking but girls in the past have told me I am handsome so I don't know.Posted by OwnardBasic rule is if you're handsome = you can pretty much say anything and it'll be all good.Posted by TomSawyerWell this is interesting. Has it ever worked for you?Posted by OwnardOkay, try this next time.Posted by TomSawyerNo, I don't wear hats at all.Posted by OwnardYeah but now I'm more interested in the fedora.Posted by TomSawyerYeah, it's a bit pathetic, ain't it?Posted by ChuckcemI'm speechless..Posted by TomSawyerIn case you weren't following his previous posts detailing his situation:Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/leo/how-can-i-flirt-with-this-leo--9417786/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-i-tell-her-i-like-her-more-than-a-friend--9458687/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today--9554775/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today-update--9703716/
As you can tell this particular series of events has kept my attention.
@Ownard
Brother, you are the king of Pisces.
Do you wear a fedora?
It would explain alot
Invite her anywhere, sit down so she's facing you, take a 4 second stare at her tits, make sure she sees you doing this.
After the 4 seconds, keep looking at them and say this "you actually have nice breasts".
She will be confused and smile, she will ask you like " what?".
Continue with bullshit "alot of girls usually got something off, yours are nice tho. Then again, haven't seen them yet".
Continue the date like nothing happened.
Look in the mirror and give yourself a realistic number.
If you're a 5, this will fly with 3's.
A 8, it'll fly with 6/7's etc.
click to expand
Posted by xXxBitcheroniiiXxXNah, I see the problems in what I've done and I want to fix them.Posted by OwnardPosted by xXxBitcheroniiiXxXAny way to get to level 0?
You seem to be at level 2.
Don't be that guy who subconsciously blames women for why he can't get a date.
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Rejection is a blessing.
A "NO" is permission to seek a "YES" some place else.
Always ask early on if someone is interested. Don't waste time debating, fearing rejection, etc.
Ask, get an answer, proceed
So many ppl get stuck for months in the confused stage, biding time, playing games
Ask, get an answer, proceed
Rejection will be far less scary and asking women out will be easy breezy
A "NO" is permission to seek a "YES" some place else.
Always ask early on if someone is interested. Don't waste time debating, fearing rejection, etc.
Ask, get an answer, proceed
So many ppl get stuck for months in the confused stage, biding time, playing games
Ask, get an answer, proceed
Rejection will be far less scary and asking women out will be easy breezy
Posted by TomSawyerYeah, I'm getting those signals but I honestly don't get the rest of what you're saying.Posted by OwnardMmkPosted by TomSawyerEh, I don't think I'm all that good looking but girls in the past have told me I am handsome so I don't know.Posted by OwnardBasic rule is if you're handsome = you can pretty much say anything and it'll be all good.Posted by TomSawyerWell this is interesting. Has it ever worked for you?Posted by OwnardOkay, try this next time.Posted by TomSawyerNo, I don't wear hats at all.Posted by OwnardYeah but now I'm more interested in the fedora.Posted by TomSawyerYeah, it's a bit pathetic, ain't it?Posted by ChuckcemI'm speechless..Posted by TomSawyerIn case you weren't following his previous posts detailing his situation:Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/leo/how-can-i-flirt-with-this-leo--9417786/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-i-tell-her-i-like-her-more-than-a-friend--9458687/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today--9554775/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today-update--9703716/
As you can tell this particular series of events has kept my attention.
@Ownard
Brother, you are the king of Pisces.
Do you wear a fedora?
It would explain alot
Invite her anywhere, sit down so she's facing you, take a 4 second stare at her tits, make sure she sees you doing this.
After the 4 seconds, keep looking at them and say this "you actually have nice breasts".
She will be confused and smile, she will ask you like " what?".
Continue with bullshit "alot of girls usually got something off, yours are nice tho. Then again, haven't seen them yet".
Continue the date like nothing happened.
Look in the mirror and give yourself a realistic number.
If you're a 5, this will fly with 3's.
A 8, it'll fly with 6/7's etc.
Here are some clues that you're above average
Ask yourself if you've seen this happen
-They notice you anywhere you go and either stare or take side-glances.
^if they are with their boyfriends, the boyfriend either looks at you angry or gets nervous.
-They listen to you carefully and start laughing at most normal stuff you decide to say
-You smile = they smile
-You can fuck up bad and you're still forgiven
-When you talk, they lean forward and the eyes light up with a smile
^these are typical.
If you noticed atleast 3 of these happening in your life = you are handsome.
Problem is then that you don't understand the signals you're being given.
That she already threw the ball to you and you keep on pursuing.
Metaphor:
Dude playing basketball, caught the ball and just keeps running with the ball all over the court.
Everyones thinking "Wtf is this dumbass doing?"
Does any of this sound familiar?
click to expand
Listen to 48 laws of power on tape
Take an improv class
Go and befriend and Aries
Take an improv class
Go and befriend and Aries
Posted by TomSawyerThanksPosted by OwnardIn a nutshell:Posted by TomSawyerYeah, I'm getting those signals but I honestly don't get the rest of what you're saying.Posted by OwnardMmkPosted by TomSawyerEh, I don't think I'm all that good looking but girls in the past have told me I am handsome so I don't know.Posted by OwnardBasic rule is if you're handsome = you can pretty much say anything and it'll be all good.Posted by TomSawyerWell this is interesting. Has it ever worked for you?Posted by OwnardOkay, try this next time.Posted by TomSawyerNo, I don't wear hats at all.Posted by OwnardYeah but now I'm more interested in the fedora.Posted by TomSawyerYeah, it's a bit pathetic, ain't it?Posted by ChuckcemI'm speechless..Posted by TomSawyerIn case you weren't following his previous posts detailing his situation:Posted by OwnardI see.Posted by TomSawyerMy plan isn't to simply "get laid a lot". I want to get better with women so in the future when I meet women I really like then I can be able to pursue them as a proper man should.
Okay
You manage to break your nice boy habits, you're smooth with chicks, you get laid alot and you got 5 chicks minimum at any give time wanting to date you.
What's the plan after that?
Can you pinpoint to the exact moment when you believe you were put in the friendzone?
I.e. what went on
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/leo/how-can-i-flirt-with-this-leo--9417786/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-do-i-tell-her-i-like-her-more-than-a-friend--9458687/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today--9554775/
AND
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/told-her-i-like-her-today-update--9703716/
As you can tell this particular series of events has kept my attention.
@Ownard
Brother, you are the king of Pisces.
Do you wear a fedora?
It would explain alot
Invite her anywhere, sit down so she's facing you, take a 4 second stare at her tits, make sure she sees you doing this.
After the 4 seconds, keep looking at them and say this "you actually have nice breasts".
She will be confused and smile, she will ask you like " what?".
Continue with bullshit "alot of girls usually got something off, yours are nice tho. Then again, haven't seen them yet".
Continue the date like nothing happened.
Look in the mirror and give yourself a realistic number.
If you're a 5, this will fly with 3's.
A 8, it'll fly with 6/7's etc.
Here are some clues that you're above average
Ask yourself if you've seen this happen
-They notice you anywhere you go and either stare or take side-glances.
^if they are with their boyfriends, the boyfriend either looks at you angry or gets nervous.
-They listen to you carefully and start laughing at most normal stuff you decide to say
-You smile = they smile
-You can fuck up bad and you're still forgiven
-When you talk, they lean forward and the eyes light up with a smile
^these are typical.
If you noticed atleast 3 of these happening in your life = you are handsome.
Problem is then that you don't understand the signals you're being given.
That she already threw the ball to you and you keep on pursuing.
Metaphor:
Dude playing basketball, caught the ball and just keeps running with the ball all over the court.
Everyones thinking "Wtf is this dumbass doing?"
Does any of this sound familiar?
Stop trying so hard, keep your mouth shut any time you think it's a good idea to tell her how you feel, let it flow naturally, be mysterious/let her try figuring you out and good luck.click to expand
If this and other threads like it aren't proof that women run the show when it comes to dating, I don't know what is.
Posted by GeminiGirl052388Don't blame the world for your crappy taste in dudes
I get ya. I used to be a nice girl. But after so many bad experiences... i bid the nice girl goodbye.
Posted by xXxBitcheroniiiXxXI would like to rebut this. I've got little experience with women other than rejection, that is why I want to learn. It ain't an act, I was raised on the idea that if you're not good at something learn from someone who is.Posted by OwnardPosted by xXxBitcheroniiiXxXNah, I see the problems in what I've done and I want to fix them.Posted by OwnardPosted by xXxBitcheroniiiXxXAny way to get to level 0?
You seem to be at level 2.
Don't be that guy who subconsciously blames women for why he can't get a date.
First off, can we stop with the innocent guy act? lol
Unless you're a kid I doubt you're this clueless about women. Like, stop.
Anyway, let's address this book: "How to be the Bad Boy Women Love"
The book title alone implies that you have to be a bad boy (mistreat women) in order to gain their "love".
By subscribing to this idea what you're really saying is women need to be treated like shit because the "nice guy" routine isn't working. It's "their fault".
Your thought process seems to be more like: "Women don't want 'nice guys' like me, so it's time to treat them like shit".
So yeah, you subconsciously blame women and their "desire to be mistreated" as to why you can't get a date.
Newsflash: Nice guys don't have to say they're nice guys. If you are a genuinely nice guy, it shows.
If you have to say it, it's most likely not true and you're in denial about some of your own toxic behavior.click to expand
As for the book, the title itself is deceiving. It's less about treating girls like crap than standing up for yourself. If a girl is being a bitch needlessly, this book is about giving to tools to help deal with this.
And I'm not saying I want to treat girls like shit. I really don't. I've just seen what I'm doing wrong in the regards of putting out my intentions and flirting and I'm trying to fix those. The "Nice Guy" label is just the best way I've found of describing my situation.
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