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This topic was created in the Philosophy forum by DwellingOnMove on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 and has 8 replies.
Why do I see in this text "you are hindering yourself, there is no limit out there"? What is wrong with me?
A man from the country seeks the law and wishes to gain entry to the law through an open doorway, but the doorkeeper tells the man that he cannot go through at the present time.
The man asks if he can ever go through, and the doorkeeper says that it is possible but "not just yet" ("jetzt aber nicht").
The man waits by the door for years, bribing the doorkeeper with everything he has. The doorkeeper accepts the bribes, but tells the man that he accepts them "so that you do not think you have failed to do anything."
The man does not attempt to murder or hurt the doorkeeper to gain the law, but waits at the door until he is about to die.
Right before his death, he asks the doorkeeper why even though everyone seeks the law, no one else has come in all the years. The doorkeeper answers "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."
[From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_the_Law]
A man from the country seeks the law and wishes to gain entry to the law through an open doorway, but the doorkeeper tells the man that he cannot go through at the present time.
The man asks if he can ever go through, and the doorkeeper says that it is possible but "not just yet" ("jetzt aber nicht").
The man waits by the door for years, bribing the doorkeeper with everything he has. The doorkeeper accepts the bribes, but tells the man that he accepts them "so that you do not think you have failed to do anything."
The man does not attempt to murder or hurt the doorkeeper to gain the law, but waits at the door until he is about to die.
Right before his death, he asks the doorkeeper why even though everyone seeks the law, no one else has come in all the years. The doorkeeper answers "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."
[From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_the_Law]
I don't like my first interpretation because it is too easy.
I want to suffer for its sake. Or read about other people's views.
I want to suffer for its sake. Or read about other people's views.
One of the ways we could look at this story is this:
The author propagtes an attitude of regret. Like "One could have done better". Which is actually a sign of narcisism or haughtiness. (why does he expect so much from the man from the country?)
It is also somehow an attitude of unthankfulness. The man from the country did what he thought he could do best. He integrated his wishes and goals with gathered information, tried to overcome the obstacles within the walls of his own integrity and moral principles, he was consistent, he was not silent, he was not lazy... What should he have done additionally? Kill the doorkeeper?
If it is not that, then the bitterness against external factors. Against destiny. The door was nevertheless there.
Maybe it is the focus on internal factors. The man from the country should have paid more attention to his goal instead of flirting with the doorkeeper.
The author propagtes an attitude of regret. Like "One could have done better". Which is actually a sign of narcisism or haughtiness. (why does he expect so much from the man from the country?)
It is also somehow an attitude of unthankfulness. The man from the country did what he thought he could do best. He integrated his wishes and goals with gathered information, tried to overcome the obstacles within the walls of his own integrity and moral principles, he was consistent, he was not silent, he was not lazy... What should he have done additionally? Kill the doorkeeper?
If it is not that, then the bitterness against external factors. Against destiny. The door was nevertheless there.
Maybe it is the focus on internal factors. The man from the country should have paid more attention to his goal instead of flirting with the doorkeeper.
I watched the movie The Trial (1962, Anthony Perkins) a few years ago.
The parable of OP (Before the Law) was part of Kafka's novel The Trial.
It was a complicated story and I think I have to watch it again and again. Or read the book again and again and think about it. Or read reviews.
There were lots of scenes in the movie where protagonist wanted to go somewhere but he got somewhere else. Or he met somebody. Always something was interrupting him.
Kafka had Moon, Mercury and Venus in Gemini. Maybe he noticed how easily he got distracted.
But was it a bad thing to be distracted? Was he the one who deviated from the his target which was meeting the judge? Or was it the court who deviated?
Isn't motion a relative issue?
As a Sagittarius I have the same problem as Gemini. Scattered mind. Got distracted easily. But I get there where I want because I have good luck. Or I see the good sides of I don't get there.
Is target the target? Or the effort towards the target?
The parable of OP (Before the Law) was part of Kafka's novel The Trial.
It was a complicated story and I think I have to watch it again and again. Or read the book again and again and think about it. Or read reviews.
There were lots of scenes in the movie where protagonist wanted to go somewhere but he got somewhere else. Or he met somebody. Always something was interrupting him.
Kafka had Moon, Mercury and Venus in Gemini. Maybe he noticed how easily he got distracted.
But was it a bad thing to be distracted? Was he the one who deviated from the his target which was meeting the judge? Or was it the court who deviated?
Isn't motion a relative issue?
As a Sagittarius I have the same problem as Gemini. Scattered mind. Got distracted easily. But I get there where I want because I have good luck. Or I see the good sides of I don't get there.
Is target the target? Or the effort towards the target?
I would actually be mad at the so-called law. Why was this man treated as a specific case? And so bad? Why information was not flowing to him transparently? And when he asked questions, why did he get ambigious answers? Or even deceptive ones:
???I am taking this only so that you do not think you have failed to do anything.??
You could see no affection from that part.
If the man from country takes steps towards law, why law does not treat him appropriately?
Is integrity the wrong way to approach the law?
BTW here is the full story to read:
http://www.kafka-online.info/before-the-law.html
???I am taking this only so that you do not think you have failed to do anything.??
You could see no affection from that part.
If the man from country takes steps towards law, why law does not treat him appropriately?
Is integrity the wrong way to approach the law?
BTW here is the full story to read:
http://www.kafka-online.info/before-the-law.html
Expanding it to the perspective of the whole life, it seems to me that the story tells me:
Like what you do,
be happy you think you have a target,
be happy you get some explanation,
enjoy your fantasy how problems can be solve,
let them sound dumb when they reveal their inflexibility,
don't lose your smile if you land in America instead of India,
cause nobody owes you a smooth way through the universe.
PS: hope that the readers community will bring a change in the rigid structures.
Like what you do,
be happy you think you have a target,
be happy you get some explanation,
enjoy your fantasy how problems can be solve,
let them sound dumb when they reveal their inflexibility,
don't lose your smile if you land in America instead of India,
cause nobody owes you a smooth way through the universe.
PS: hope that the readers community will bring a change in the rigid structures.
i think it means the gatekeeper is the law
some random stranger who tells you what you can and can not do
and the man from the country is a bit of a fool for following his orders without thinking further or asking any more questions.
He just waits and obeys.
The man thinks about it and then asks if he will be allowed to come in later on. ???It is possible,?? says the gatekeeper, ???but not now.?? At the moment the gate to the law stands open, as always, and the gatekeeper walks to the side, so the man bends over in order to see through the gate into the inside. When the gatekeeper notices that, he laughs and says: ???If it tempts you so much, try it in spite of my prohibition. But take note: I am powerful. And I am only the most lowly gatekeeper. But from room to room stand gatekeepers, each more powerful than the other. I can??t endure even one glimpse of the third.?? The man from the country has not expected such difficulties: the law should always be accessible for everyone, he thinks, but as he now looks more closely at the gatekeeper in his fur coat, at his large pointed nose and his long, thin, black Tartar??s beard, he decides that it would be better to wait until he gets permission to go inside.
some random stranger who tells you what you can and can not do
and the man from the country is a bit of a fool for following his orders without thinking further or asking any more questions.
He just waits and obeys.
The man thinks about it and then asks if he will be allowed to come in later on. ???It is possible,?? says the gatekeeper, ???but not now.?? At the moment the gate to the law stands open, as always, and the gatekeeper walks to the side, so the man bends over in order to see through the gate into the inside. When the gatekeeper notices that, he laughs and says: ???If it tempts you so much, try it in spite of my prohibition. But take note: I am powerful. And I am only the most lowly gatekeeper. But from room to room stand gatekeepers, each more powerful than the other. I can??t endure even one glimpse of the third.?? The man from the country has not expected such difficulties: the law should always be accessible for everyone, he thinks, but as he now looks more closely at the gatekeeper in his fur coat, at his large pointed nose and his long, thin, black Tartar??s beard, he decides that it would be better to wait until he gets permission to go inside.
or maybe it means that death is the only law, and the gates of possibility are always open, no matter what anyone prohibits you.
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