always loved her

but never loved her right.

You're all probably familiar with me and my fish ... well he had a talk yesterday and she said I am never talking her about stuff that matters to me, like my aspirations, the things that move me, my dreams, my thoughts.

I told her that I didn't want to bore her with stuff that goes in my mind, international politics, physics ... I went a step further and told her that I am passionate and intense at times and this has cost me the loss off people in the past so when I felt for her I was doing anything to hide this so that she doesn't flee like the rest

because of this I also didn't want to let her into my world, a world that I thought she would deem too much for her and leave

she is very understanding but she doesn't strike me as the type who can handle a guy with so much baggage, she is still young after all but maybe I haven't given her a chance

I want to ask in this board, what is your experience with intensity

p.s. the above quote is from President Bill Clinton regarding his wife Senator Hilary Rodham Clinton

You would be surprised how much a pisces can take if they are interested in you. My virgo ex had plenty of baggage. It didn't concerned me at first because I really liked him. It did worry me a bit later to the point where I actually went to help him with some of it. Only because I was seeing he wasn't getting a handle on it. That is probably going to be the only problem you might have. Is when the fish begins to "help" you. It might become annoying. I don't know. I always liked helping people when in need. So when some one is having problems, if I really love them, I will offer a hand.

I was extremely understanding of all of his issues. But I never knew what was going on in his mind or if I ever made a difference. I just know I was there for him when he needed me and I never ran away from when he was at his worse.

It appears to me as though you need to change your perspective on this just a tad .... I get the impression from what you said that if you open up to her about your passion, then it will equal a burden for her.

And I ask why?


Why if you share with her things that are intense with you, that must do so to the point of it being terribly heavy for her to carry?

Can you not remain emotionally composed once these things have been revealed? If you open up, then it becomes uncontrolled, and you will have no option except to place all the wieght of this on her?


This confuses me, actually. I know exactly what she is talking about and have said in here many times myself about my Virgo, how he won't give me anything that is him .... he will only show his love by reflecting back to me what he thinks I want. And I've even argued with him about this very thing.

Don't fucking laugh because I'm laughing .... ONLY, ONLY laugh if YOU think it's funny. >>>> he'll still only embrace it IF I am, and will reveal no passion or emotions that are his own.

And now you make the insinuation that the reason for this is because if you put a breach in the wall you have around it so you can share with your partner ...... then it equals you losing control?

"I am passionate and intense at times and this has cost me the loss off people in the past so when I felt for her I was doing anything to hide this so that she doesn't flee like the rest"


^^^^^ ....... simple solution = don't make it a burden for another to carry. Just because you share your passions doesn't mean you have to let it overwhelm the other person, and from your above quote, this is what I glean.

NURSE RATCHET GIVE HIM MEDICINE...GIVE HIM HIS FUCKING CIGARETTES TOO!!!

YOU FUCKING BITCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SINCERELY
MARTINI

I hope this person is drunk.

sorry for the mess. here you go. this is what i was trying to tell you about.

this is and actual place! a very real adaptation and one of my favorite movies and the book is even better. Ken Kesey. Another Roadsi
ISBN 0451163966 & 9780451163967
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1962) is a novel written by Ken Kesey. It is set in an Oregon asylum, and serves as a study of the institutional process and the human mind. The novel was written in 1959 by Kesey, although it wasn't published until 1962. The novel was such a success that it was later adapted into a 1975 film, which won numerous Academy Awards. Although the novel was controversial when it was released due to the fact that it contained much sexual content, it later became known as a classic American novel.


Background
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was a direct product of Kesey's time working the graveyard shift as an orderly at a mental health facility in Menlo Park, California. Not only did he speak to the patients and witness the workings of the institution, he received electroconvulsive therapy and took psychoactive drugs (notably LSD, psilocybin, mescaline and DMT). From this, he became sympathetic toward the patients and from then on garnered enough information to write a book about mental illness and psychiatric health care and not be locked up himself.[citation needed]


Plot summary
Narrated by the gigantic but docile half-Indian "Chief" Bromden, who has pretended to be a deaf-mute for several years, this story focuses on the antics of the rebellious Randle Patrick McMurphy, a happy-go-lucky transferee from a prison work farm to a mental hospital. Having been found guilty on a battery charge, McMurphy fakes insanity to serve out his sentence in the hospital. The all-male asylum is based upon the old Pendleton, Oregon asylum (now the Eastern Oregon Correctional Institution). With little medical oversight, the hospital ward is run by the buttoned-up, tyrannical Nurse Ratched (or as Bromden calls her, "the Big Nurse") and her three black day-shift orderlies, whom the Chief portrays as resentful "black boys."

McMurphy constantly antagonizes Nurse Ratched and upsets the routines. Betting on himself, McMurphy tries and fails to lift a heavy shower room control panel. He runs a card table, captains the ward's basketball team, comments on Nurse Ratched's figure, incites the other patients on the ward to conduct a vote on watching the World Series on television, and organizes a

McMurphy constantly antagonizes Nurse Ratched and upsets the routines. Betting on himself, McMurphy tries and fails to lift a heavy shower room control panel. He runs a card table, captains the ward's basketball team, comments on Nurse Ratched's figure, incites the other patients on the ward to conduct a vote on watching the World Series on television, and organizes a supervised deep sea fishing trip. The Chief, opening up to McMurphy due to the latter's rebellion, reveals late one night that he can speak and hear. McMurphy presents a discipline problem and challenge to Nurse Ratched's authority, and the two become engaged in a power struggle. A disturbance after the fishing trip results in McMurphy and the Chief being sent for electroshock therapy sessions, but even this experience does little to tamp down McMurphy's rambunctious behavior.

One night, after bribing the night orderly, McMurphy breaks into the pharmacy and smuggles bottles of liquor and two prostitute girlfriends onto the ward. McMurphy persuades one of the women to seduce Billy Bibbit, a timid, boyish patient, with a terrible stutter and little experience with women, so that he can lose his virginity. Although McMurphy plans to escape before the morning shift arrives, he and the other patients fall asleep instead without cleaning up the mess and the staff finds the ward in complete disarray. Nurse Ratched finds Billy and the prostitute in each other's arms, partially dressed, and admonishes him. Billy asserts himself for the first time, answering Nurse Ratched without stuttering. Ratched calmly threatens to tell Billy's mother what she has seen. Billy has an emotional breakdown and, once left alone in the doctor's office, commits suicide by cutting his throat. Nurse Ratched blames McMurphy for the loss of Billy's life. Infuriated at what she has done to Billy, McMurphy attacks her and attempts to strangle her to death. He has to be dragged away from her and is removed to the Disturbed ward.

Nurse Ratched misses a week of work due to her injuries, during which time many of the patients either transfer to other wards or check out of the hospital altogether. When she returns, she cannot speak and is thus deprived of her most potent tool to keep the men in line. More of them leave, and Bromden is almost alone on the ward when McMurphy is brought back in. He has received a lobotomy and is now in a vegetative state, silent and motionless. The Chief realizes that if other patients se

More of them leave, and Bromden is almost alone on the ward when McMurphy is brought back in. He has received a lobotomy and is now in a vegetative state, silent and motionless. The Chief realizes that if other patients see McMurphy in that condition, Nurse Ratched will have ultimately defeated him, demoralizing the patients who were only beginning to assert themselves as men because of McMurphy's influence. The Chief smothers him with a pillow during the night, so that he can die with dignity rather than lie there as a representation of what happens when one tries to buck the system. Finally the Chief lifts the shower room control panel that McMurphy could not lift earlier, throws it through a window, and escapes the hospital to return to his tribe's lands along the Columbia River.

Themes
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest refers constantly to different authorities that control individuals through subtle and coercive methods. The novel's narrator, the Chief, combines these authorities in his mind, terming them "The Combine" in reference to the mechanistic way they manipulate and process individuals. The authority of The Combine is most often personified in the character of Nurse Ratched who controls the inhabitants of the novel's mental ward through a combination of rewards and subtle shame. Although she does not normally resort to conventionally harsh discipline, her actions are portrayed as more insidious than those of a conventional prison administrator. This is because the subtlety of her actions prevents her prisoners from understanding that they are being controlled at all. The Chief also sees the combine in the damming of the wild Columbia River at Celilo Falls, where his Native American ancestors hunted, and in the broader conformity of post-war American consumer society. The novel's critique of the mental ward as an instrument of oppression comparable to the prison mirrored many of the claims that French intellectual Michel Foucault was making at the same time. Similarly, Foucault argued that invisible forms of discipline oppressed individuals on a broad societal scale, encouraging them to censor aspects of themselves and their actions. The novel also subtly critiques the emasculation of men in society particularly in the character of Billy Bibbit, the stuttering acute who is domineered by both Nurse Ratched and his mother.

Main characters
Chief Bromden: The novel's half-Native American narrator, the Chief has been in the mental hospital sin

its my favorite book/movie. i lived there for about 20 years!

no, im not drunk. i dont drink. im bored!

i can relate to these characters too!

id have done the same thing they did. heros they are to me! especially ken kesey for

going undercover and finding out the truth! there are people locked up too that when they went in had nothing wrong with them. their parents and family just didnt want to
deal with them. after being around that enviornment it changes you. you learn from others. it takes only love.

correction: it was not "another roadside attraction" that was done by t. robbins

it was "sometimes a great notion" a great story about logging family in Oregon.

"I don't want to bore her with the stuff that goes in my mind."

When a Pisces girl (well a girl) asks you about your dreams and worries, she's not sizing you up, looking for weaknesses or trying take what you share with her to throw it back at you. It's a risk when we ask you to open up to us and when you respond with how you don't want to bore us with it - it feels like a rejection. That you don't trust us or want to be close. Truth is, there is a lot that we already intuitively understand about you that you are terrified to tell us. Pisces women are pathologically empathetic. When you show us that you trust us, we turn on our protective, nurturing and supportive selves that says no matter what you think you've done that makes you permanently flawed, I can handle it. I'm not going anywhere.

thanks to all who replied so far, and hothouselilies I will try to read the novel when I have the time ... something tells me it might be insightful

P and lovable I hope you both had a lovely xmas and new year's 🙂

"I get the impression from what you said that if you open up to her about your passion, then it will equal a burden for her."

sometimes this is the case, I worry about something in my studies or my life in general and if I share this with her then she will worry with me too and I don't want her to feel that, there are things that i will eventually sort out without her even knowing about them ... now I see how she can perceive this as me treating her like a child and I will work on sharing these worries but not in a way that will suck her too much into them

"Can you not remain emotionally composed once these things have been revealed?" I can if I know that revealing such things isn't gonna come back and bite me in the a $ $ , and I don't mean she will use them against me althought that is still an option for her but what really concerns me is that she is a woman after all and the more of these revelations she gets the less doubtful in me she might get in my abiolity to protect her when the going gets tough and this will either lead to her thinking she needs another man or to her living in that constant state of confusion because she feels like she will have to rely on herself for everything, and that's fine for a young lady who still things she is invinsible but as she grows old the sense of her mortality will catch up.


more to follow later

I did have a nice xmas and new years, thank you mister_eee! I think actually you might have the right attitude in a way. Pisces always feels compelled to help or feel for those in trouble. But at the same time, it might be good that she at least know a little so she feels a bit more included in your life. From my point of view, I feel closer and that people trust me more when they do share a little, but usually will fall back if the person sounds like they got a handle on it. I dont generally like to interfere.

"Can you not remain emotionally composed once these things have been revealed?"

thought about it more ... I can but only if she doesn't get close to me and caress me, if she does then I will well up, I know that much because I dealt with all those issues on a rational level but never on an emotional one and she can arouse that in me

I am not afraid of this except that I have this inner feeling like she is trying to break me then leave once she gets into that inner me and sees a child desperate to be loved

you women can be very cruel sometimes and it's almost instinctive, you can't help it, but the strength of a real woman is her ability to fight past that instinctive tendency

men do that but it is more about the physical for them, once you get sexual with a woman and you start seeing her without her physical mask she sometimes starts looking ugly in your eyes and the challenge is to step back from this instinctive reaction and focus on other things or go away for a while and come back later, or in my case stay around and fight through it


"Don't treetrunking laugh because I'm laughing .... ONLY, ONLY laugh if YOU think it's funny. >>>> he'll still only embrace it IF I am,"

in fairness to your virgo P, this is a sign of a virgo who cares about you very much but unfortunately he is doing it in his own virgoan way by "setting the scene" and letting you have fun doing what you want without making you feel like he is left out which he knows will spoil your fun

you might do this to him too on some level by pretending to be fascinated by his stories or laugh at his jokes even though he knows it and he sometimes get frustrated by this too, he doesn't show his frustrations like you don't show yours

in my case my girl realises this and she either tells me before hand that "I don't have to do this" be it going shopping with her or calling her every night when I was away a month ago

this somehow helped me a lot in relieving the "pressure" I felt sometimes and definitely helped me sort out the wheat from the fluff when it comes to taking care of her, still a long way to go though

" and will reveal no passion or emotions that are his own."

for me this is because I don't like to be a burden on her, and because also it is hard for virgo to do so in the first place unless there is a 110% non judgemental person on the other side which of course we all know a pisces is to some level but you come and tell us this at the heat of the moment

I love intensity.

"I am not afraid of this except that I have this inner feeling like she is trying to break me then leave once she gets into that inner me and sees a child desperate to be loved

you women can be very cruel sometimes and it's almost instinctive, you can't help it, but the strength of a real woman is her ability to fight past that instinctive tendency"

So you are basically afraid to reveal anything deeper because you are afraid she will see weakness and leave? Not necessarily. I mean it depends on how far into the relationship. If you are spilling your guts and woes in the first meeting, yeah she is going to take off because she will think you have major issues. But if she is farther into the relationship, there is a strong chance she will want to help more than see weakness. Personally if she is anything piscean like, she will melt at the opportunity to share in seeing that side of weakness. At least it would for me.

"I am not afraid of this except that I have this inner feeling like she is trying to break me then leave once she gets into that inner me and sees a child desperate to be loved

you women can be very cruel sometimes and it's almost instinctive, you can't help it, but the strength of a real woman is her ability to fight past that instinctive tendency"

You have this inner feeling .... you have a fear, period. You are layering your fear about what she could do, as though it's something she is capable of doing. It takes guts to be vulnerable. If she's asking for that kind of depth, she's not looking for weakness.

Thank you Mister 🙂 .... my holiday's were wonderful, and I have a new adventure planned for my new year.

Hope your Christmas and New Years was equally as wonderful.

ooo P adventure *claps hands* ... boy toy or threesome?