How to deal with a Pisces Mama?

This topic was created in the Pisces forum by HighTide on Friday, June 7, 2013 and has 40 replies.

Me and my Pisces had a really great love when we were younger, she was 16, I was 18. We didn't even end of bad terms.
That said I lost touch with her for 10 years and she contact me in January saying she thought I might
be the babies father. I took the DNA test and was happy it was mine.
We start talking again and she she apologized for what she did. She then tells me she wants me
to wait until November me to meet my daughter. I felt like her saying that meant she didn't care about my feelings
I go off on her, like Cancer full out meanness and she says I can't see my daughter.
I talked to my lawyer but he even said most likely she will get custody even though she never told me.
Best interests of the child.
I went to her work and put 2000 in an envelope for her because I wanted to and said I was sorry, she sent a text saying "thank you very much". Hadn't heard from her since.
Basically was I being played for a fool like I suspect. I really am trying to figure out what is going on. I just don't want to drag the daughter I don't even know through the legal system and try to force a relationship with her.
I thought Cancer/Pisces were the true soulmates of the zodiac, why would this woman claim to love me yet be with everyone except me and put me through this emotional torture.
Brutal honesty is fine, I need it trust me lol
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Posted by Poisson
Instead of giving her money, why didn't you just talk to her first... calmly? Whether you like it or not, if you want to meet your daughter you have to be make and be nice to this woman. Making you wait 10 years is fucked up, it makes me think she's up to something. Try talking to her again and don't go off. And for fucks sake don't give her anymore cash.


I did, I met up with her and we were very friendly, brushed my ego like only a Pisces can do.
On the car ride home I just got upset because it was like April and she wanted me to wait until November to see my daughter. I felt I was being manipulated and went off on her.
I was basically upset she raised all these men around my daughter and didn't even want to find me. I actually really loved this woman. She claimed she was afraid I would take her away but I am not that kind of person, I just wanted some respect and its like it would never be shown.
She has a Virgo moon so that beats out her Pisces Suns when it comes down to it. Its just a pure logic situation. She just wanted my money it seems, which was fine but she emotionally manipulated me when she could have just been real with me. Pisces are more than capable of that.
I gave her money just so my daughter could have a good summer. I aint a selfish person, I just wanted my daughter to at least be able to take trips with her cousins on my side since my aunt was really happy about me being a dad like I was.
My best friend in the world is a Pisces, yet he has a Cancer Moon. I myself have a Cancer Sun and Pisces Moon so thats why the communication problem is so baffling to me.

I am beginning to think the Pisces Sun/Virgo Moon is the most lethal in the zodiac, they got you beat on the emotional and logic side. Watch out for these folks lol
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I have a strong feeling she is just going to keep raising the daughter the way she wants and I am going to let her have her Pisces dreamworld where she has her own personal babydoll that she doesn't have to share. Truth be told,if I wasn't good enough then why would she go out of her way now to make things right in my mind? Even raising my daughter and seeing a part of me in her everyday isn't enough to spark an emotion to sway her towards my perspective compounded with the fact that I didn't do anything wrong to her since I am a water sign that actually tries to protect a Pisces. Logically, I am just a sperm donor who happens to be a Cancer that doesn't want to be a deadbeat dad but I am up a creek with no paddle in this situation. If my daughter was younger, maybe it would be more natural, but it would not be now. Spare me the "a real man would fight for her daughter". When she is grown I'll do anything to make her life better. As an Cancer adult she will see how really selfish and f-ed up this was and Ill give her money to start her own life with someone.
The thing that is sad to me in all this is that this woman abandoned me when I really needed her as a younger Cancer man who just needed that once gentle Pisces loving woman to love and support me until I could mature as a Cancer man. I spent my whole 20's looking for it again while she was in the same city raising my child with us not even mad at each other and me not even knowing the truth. Even after divorces and having the little girl taken away she still didn't seek me out. She isn't sorry deep down for what she did so there is no reason to try and force her anymore. I apologize if I am wrong and the other person does too if they want to be in my world.
Realistically a child is a gift a man gives a woman, and its hers until the child paves it own destiny and become their own person. The thing is I know the child will be fine with the mother yet the media acts like if I ain't destroying myself emotionally everyday over a child I can't see then I am a deadbeat dad who doesn't care. So I am going to not care anymore, not because I don't care or wouldn't take the responsibility. But I am not needed, so I just needed to be left alone to begin with. If she wanted me to support the child financially she should have told me to begin with so I could have framed my life differently. She wants money which entails a relationship at least to a man yet she wants me to have nothing to do with my child.
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After this whole experience it has made me realize how truly non genuine people pisces people really are. After having a few scuffles with some Scorpios friends I am at least now realizing they care about themselves and other people emotionally like myself when it comes down to it. Pisces really care about their own emotions only and Cancers get roped in thinking they are soulmates since Pisces act like they are so emotionally fragile and we feed off that like fools. They are really a fraud water sign, giving a huge vulnerable vibe off to people when really these people are fucking tougher than even Virgos and twice as mean to boot. The people who have good things to say about them are usually still the ones under the spell. They literally are the con artists of the zodiac is which why no one messes with them. They drain the emotional capacity out of others so that they can be supported financially off the backs of others until their ready and then proceed to become the biggest schitazzes the world has ever seen like the world did something wrong to them as fuel. Enter Steve Jobs, a Pisces who stole and feed off everyone else and left them in the dust once they had the prestige they wanted. Trust me I am Cancer and know them well, the world hasn't done anything wrong to them except being smart enough to not be played by them. A Pisces isn't happy until all 12 zodiac signs are under the spell fully.
All the Pisces I once held in regard are slowly starting to show their true colors with the transit of Saturn this year. A good friend of mine who is a Leo was under a Pisces womans spell that she was so pure and perfect that he waited 6 years to have sex with her. Even my male Pisces friend at least had the balls to tell my Leo friend he was being played somehow. Now the Pisces woman has cut all her hair off, named their child a ridiculous name and genuinely displays the weirded behavior on facebook I have ever seen. The poor dude went from being a kind reasonable Leo man who just wanted a good wife into someone who has to go along with absolutely every belief system this Pisces woman has, she uses religion to justify it to the Leo man since he at heart really want to be a good man and thinks he is doing the right thing. I just feel so sorry for him because the Pisces woman basically never even showed her true colors even after courting her for 6 years and actually becoming like a Superman at work. You can call Cancers manipulative, but its usually just so w
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You can call Cancers manipulative, but its usually just so we can eat or watch what we want on TV. These people actually infiltrate your soul and you don't even know your being brainwashed. They are that damn good. At least Cancers show you who we really are before we get married.
I recently had to let my male Pisces friend go. After knowing the man for almost 17 years he still felt the need to lie to me about everything, its fine if its embarassing but this man literally lied to the point where he believed what he was saying. He always called on me because I am loyal person to bail him out because he came across as emotionally fragile which of course is false. He had no food in the bridge, literally the dirtiest bathroom and clutter you had ever seen. I would literally give him money to pay the light bill as roomates and the lights would be off and he would act like it was no big deal. Pisces look at it, I am just going to buy what I want like pot and beer and con everyone else into fixing my problems. Even after helping me u can't have any control over me says the Pisces. They don't need your damn help, why?, because they are con-artists, they will just feed off a good hearted person who is still nieve.
So Pisces just come clean, the act is over.
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Posted by Poisson
I'm starting to think that being a male with a Pisces moon must suck major balls. They seem so damn unhinged.


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THOSE DAMN PISCES RAH RAH RAH!
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And one last thing, if a Pisces Male get over emotional trying to take up for you its just so they can plant the loyalty seed in your brain so you think they are loyal. The loyalty is usually rooted in something that benefits them somehow when it comes down to it. You can't be a con artist being stupid so these people aren't stupid. Please remember that.
I have a Pisces uncle who not once came to visit me as a child, his own sister my mother died when I was a child and he made no effort to even be there for us, couldn't even take one fucking day out of 20 years to take us to a theme park one afternoon or something. That would have been good enough. For a sign that claims they are so emotionally fragile like they been there they sure are "good caring people".
Now when I am 30 the guy calls me out of the blue raging because I said my grandfather was a prick for not accepting my gay cousin. Of course he wants to be associated on the side who has the money when really I said principle is more important than money.Oh he was so angry, like he would kick my ass, with family members conviently in the background so they could all hear. After calmly trying to reason with him and he still didn't quit I unleashed the most brutal Cancer anger possible he got really quiet like all weak Pisces who knows their act is up.
Just remember a Pisces has no real quality principles they always hold to, it can be bought and sold like a true con-arist mentality.
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Posted by Poisson
Dude... don't have a fucking breakdown. I thought you needed advice on your daughter. I didn't even read that whole emotional throw-up until when I started to get a headache. If you're going whine, bitch and moan about things that has nothing to do with the original topic please take that cross you want to crucify yourself with back to the Cancer board.

And I just want to address this really quick:
"She wants money..."
but...
"I went to her work and put 2000 in an envelope for her because I wanted to"
"You can call Cancers manipulative..."
You try to manipulate the situation, didn't work out in your favor... and now woe-is-you.
Is this really about your daughter or some kind of self-sacrificing rant you've been burning about. So she left, get the fuck over it, jeezus.



I wanted it for my daugther since a Pisces will let you eat ramen and water and act like its ok since they can't keep their finances in order. I already know the Pisces wasted it on something and probably left 100 dollars for the daughter, but thats fine, she can have one week without ramen and water at least smile
What happened to the understanding Pisces, Your mean and manipulative but its easier to put all the blame on us right. We are just obvious about it and take the brute force from the world because we actually have the courage you think you have. If I manipulate it usually for the greater good like most Cancers. Pisces are selfishish manipulators lol.
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and yes a Pisces is a caring mom to their children,I'll give them that like I said. They like living barebones, like cardboard box barebones is somehow stabile or normal but woe is me.
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Posted by AfternoonDelights22
wahh


I have to admit that song on your profile appeases my Pisces Moon.

imma go listen to that for a while.
Peace
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My honest opinion is you should stop all the butthurt sir. Stop being such an emo crab.
How great of a person can you really be if you expect your kindness to be returned? Ever heard of the 'nice' guy mentality? Doesn't do you any good even if there's a shred of truth about what you said. We ALL hurt but sheesh you are taking this out on the entire Pisces population.
You make grand assumptions about your pisces' ability to look after a child but guess what she's been doing fine. You didn't actually mention she ASKED for money, you gave it to her. Unless there's some part I'm missing. Then my friend you probably should've connected the dots.
If there's anything to be pissed off at, it's yourself.
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And Poisson made some real attempts are communication with you, I don't think any of it sunk in. You can't call that NOT caring now.
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Posted by aquasnoz
My honest opinion is you should stop all the butthurt sir. Stop being such an emo crab.
How great of a person can you really be if you expect your kindness to be returned? Ever heard of the 'nice' guy mentality? Doesn't do you any good even if there's a shred of truth about what you said. We ALL hurt but sheesh you are taking this out on the entire Pisces population.
You make grand assumptions about your pisces' ability to look after a child but guess what she's been doing fine. You didn't actually mention she ASKED for money, you gave it to her. Unless there's some part I'm missing. Then my friend you probably should've connected the dots.
If there's anything to be pissed off at, it's yourself.


Sorry just got done listening to that song.
The woman said I am the only man who can read into her soul and that is what frightens her. I was a nice guy to her and I already know she needed money, its called intuition and common sense. I don't hate the woman, just wanted her to be real with me so we at least could have been friends. If she is a bitch at heart just be that way so I know what I am dealing with. She can't play the Pisces games on me so she is bored. I still am try to do the right thing since my daughter probably could use things for the summer. I play games in the bedroom,not on real serious issues.
And since you and I both share a psychic bond as a Pisces and Cancer I will admit am being emo douche yet I am sure your bank account is low or overdrawn and u live probably in squalor or some sort of disorganized clutter. What is your grand idea your wanting to do that will materalize in about 15 years you talk about everyday. How bout we draw the line there ok smile
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If you did share a psychic bond, you surely aren't very aware of your own reactions :\ and you are still being butthurt. 88 asked you a great question, do you go off the rails like this?
Again another great assumption that pisces can't take care of themselves but I'm not really here to compare and make examples that you are oblivious to see with your eyes.
You are quite a joke.
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Posted by Piscescorp
First of all- If she has a virgo moon, she is controlled with her emotions and may dislike emotional displays / breakdowns like you are having or have around her.
that is mistake #1 - control yourself around her.
do you get scary when you have breakdowns like these? you said you were very mean or something.
she may be afraid for her daughter to see that.



I took the DNA test voluntarily and was kind to her and accepted her apology. I wanted to see my daughter and wanted to move on.
She had 2nd thoughts, not because I eventually was being mean to her, but because I could sense she changed her mine. She wasn't wanting to share and she was afraid of having to compromise since she knew you would have to in a situation like that. She already had a man who is the father figure to my daughter. Me going off the handle gave her the justification she wanted because it was either sit there and go by her rules like I had done something wrong or nothing at all or give her money and say goodbye. She just should have told me the 2nd one is what she prefered.
I found out January 31st I was the father, wanted to see her before school let out, decided the summer would be better. Then she had this idea it was in November, like I had to earn something back she stole from me to begin with.
and call me a prick if you want, I just am a man with principles who is thinking about his daughter and how this would affect her.
I told the mother I was sorry that me getting her pregnant caused her to have to grow up fast and that she missed out alot on life. She wants me to forgive the past,which I did yet she isn't sorry how she did me and wants to keep disrespecting me by acting like I should earn a right she stole. Why give into that if I am not confortable with it?
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Posted by aquasnoz
If you did share a psychic bond, you surely aren't very aware of your own reactions :\ and you are still being butthurt. 88 asked you a great question, do you go off the rails like this?
Again another great assumption that pisces can't take care of themselves but I'm not really here to compare and make examples that you are oblivious to see with your eyes.
You are quite a joke.


ok im butthurt, ill admit that. Sure why not
Yeah u take care of yourself too bro, but that bank account is low or overdrawn. There is no doubt about that in my mind. Glad that level of responsibility is winning in your eyes. Im sure when u leave the current place you squalor at currently there will be a landlord very pissed he rented to a Pisces.
Him spending money to fix your mistakes isn't your problem or ever will be. Keep trashing the place up bro.
Best Wishes friend, find me when u got a new lie to entertain me with. We will make the lie true how bout it?
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@HighTide:
There in lies a communication breakdown. I hardly know you and if you take just a few seconds there's probably even more revelations to be found. You are consumed by this hatred but think you're above it all, I'm offering you an alternate version of the truth if you will. One where it doesn't have you in the centre.
As I said before I'm not here to play the compare the penis game. And if I wanted to offend someone I sure don't go about it the long way around lol.
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Posted by aquasnoz
@HighTide:
There in lies a communication breakdown. I hardly know you and if you take just a few seconds there's probably even more revelations to be found. You are consumed by this hatred but think you're above it all, I'm offering you an alternate version of the truth if you will. One where it doesn't have you in the centre.
As I said before I'm not here to play the compare the penis game. And if I wanted to offend someone I sure don't go about it the long way around lol.


ok you revealed the bank account was low. Thank you for doing that is the Piscean way. I'll take it
and we both have big penis's thats not what this is about bro.
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Posted by aquasnoz
@HighTide:
There in lies a communication breakdown. I hardly know you and if you take just a few seconds there's probably even more revelations to be found. You are consumed by this hatred but think you're above it all, I'm offering you an alternate version of the truth if you will. One where it doesn't have you in the centre.
As I said before I'm not here to play the compare the penis game. And if I wanted to offend someone I sure don't go about it the long way around lol.



He thinks you are a Pisces. lol

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If he is an Aquarius, his bank account is low too. They cant handle money either.
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My dad is an aquarius, I could sense the same shift in tone once money became involved.
Sorry, have had to deal with people with no money for a while, you get good at reading them after a while.
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lol 88 you got it! I thought my name woulda given it away Tongue
@HighTide: As I said you display such pathetic behaviours. I would not let you near my child. So my statement stands Mr Jokey Joke smile
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First of all- If she has a virgo moon, she is controlled with her emotions and may dislike emotional displays / breakdowns like you are having or have around her.
that is mistake #1 - control yourself around her.
do you get scary when you have breakdowns like these? you said you were very mean or something.
she may be afraid for her daughter to see that.



I told the mother I was sorry that me getting her pregnant caused her to have to grow up fast and that she missed out alot on life. She wants me to forgive the past,which I did yet she isn't sorry how she did me and wants to keep disrespecting me by acting like I should earn a right she stole. Why give into that if I am not confortable with it?


it has been years now, you are a stranger again in her eyes. she cant just trust you out of no where with her daughter.
You are doing it the wrong way and seem to be causing a lot of turbulence right at the start. have some control of your emotions, nagging, suck it up and act like a mature adult - so she can trust you around herself and your daughter.
she didn't steal anything from you - the daughter is not an object, is a human being for crying out loud and she will protect her from you and from anyone if she has to.
How bout -- If she just handed you the girl like if she didn't care-- what would you have said? what a f'nnn pisces piece of sshhh right? / I admire her for being protective of her daughter than being just a non-care attitude mother like there are many in this earth.
think about that!!!!!!!!!!

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She doesnt have to turn her over, just don't treat this situation like I have to earn something. Like I said earlier, children are women's possessions so the world needs to quit telling me otherwise and acting like I am a coward if I dont fight. I have fought and cared about this bare root of my soul and it got me nowhere. I didn't want my child to feel like a bastard that was unwanted.
and honestly I am tired and exhausted from this in being framed like the badguy. I know in my heart I am not and also with the man upstairs. She wanted it to be this way,not me. If she wants make her life harder, then l
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She doesnt have to turn her over, just don't treat this situation like I have to earn something. Like I said earlier, children are women's possessions so the world needs to quit telling me otherwise and acting like I am a coward if I dont fight. I have fought and cared about this bare root of my soul and it got me nowhere. I didn't want my child to feel like a bastard that was unwanted.
and honestly I am tired and exhausted from this in being framed like the badguy. I know in my heart I am not and also with the man upstairs. She wanted it to be this way,not me. If she wants make her life harder, then let her. She already made her life harder by who she chose over me, so let her have her freedom, just leave me alone.
I can just marry another woman and have children so I can move on and be happy in my life knowing I really tried to do the right thing. She just meant something to me at one time so I was trying to offer help and show her I wasn't trying to cover her up like a dirty little secret like alot of men do. I tried to be honorable to begin with but I am not going to be used emotionally in this. I am too old for that at this point in my life.
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Thank you for calming me down, you seem like a nice Pisces woman. I use to fancy one really well once. oh well another disappointment.

As for me I am about cashed out emotionally like for real. I am realizing I can't convey effectively what I want to people.It makes me look psycho and that is not who I am. I care too much and its just not worth it anymore, it doesn't matter in the end. You can't change people or making them sorry by trying to do the right thing. Im driving myself insane with a belief system no one gives a shit about.
Basically,I am also loosing my health to all this anger and resentment. I have a adderall addiction to keep from eating and I am smoking 2-3 packs a day. I already cough alot in the mornings. I will be 30 next month and somethings gotta change.
I am going to marry a good Aries woman I know, let her fight the world for me and ill pay the house note and get the security and protection I need. She really has my back and I have hers. Peoples attitudes have pissed us off enough so we have enough to talk about from now on.
I am also going to call up my old Taurus guy friend and enjoy the simple things in life again like the outdoors and not give a shit about people who don't matter or just want to use or hurt you like he does.
Sick of putting on aires for people and their opinions. I am going to go back to the basics and not let anger rule my life anymore. All the people who did me wrong and I tried to be the better person will just destroy themselves. I am going to be happy and have a good life and that is that.

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Posted by AfternoonDelights22
wahh


I have to admit that song on your profile appeases my Pisces Moon.

imma go listen to that for a while.
Peace
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I go there often...but not to listen to the song Tongue
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Posted by HighTide
Posted by AfternoonDelights22
wahh


I have to admit that song on your profile appeases my Pisces Moon.

imma go listen to that for a while.
Peace


I go there often...but not to listen to the song Tongue
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Dirty, dirty girl Tongue
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Peace


I go there often...but not to listen to the song Tongue


Dirty, dirty girl Tongue


Tongue love out when you talk dirty!!
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In actuality this is the mentality in *some* young mothers keeping children away from fathers etc...you're not the first and sad fact there are too many selfish *parents* out there that would rather stroke their poor ego...and use revenge tactics then to give the children the chance to grow up knowing their other parent...
kids are not bargaining tools but some in todays society are too stuck on bitter past relationships and revenge tactics that they forget it's not about them... it's about the children ...they would rather the children lose out then swallow their pathetic pride...
I don't believe he should have to wait this long to see his daughter...some fathers don't even make the effort to see their children when they have known them from birth...so to be honest she came to him for a reason and delaying him to meet his daughter and the daughter to meet her birth father is selfish...
This is not a Pisces thing...this is a immature woman thing that likes to have it her way...and what mother doesn't contact the father to let him know he may be the father ??? [I'm sure she knew from the very first pregnancy test]...if there was no abuse ?
Try some legal advice and go the professional way...protect your rights...and dont hand out money in cash..have it all documented well...
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"I went to her work and put 2000 in an envelope for her because I wanted to and said I was sorry, she sent a text saying "thank you very much". Hadn't heard from her since."
"Basically was I being played for a fool like I suspect. I really am trying to figure out what is going on. I just don't want to drag the daughter I don't even know through the legal system and try to force a relationship with her."
"I went to her work and put 2000 in an envelope for her because I wanted to and said I was sorry, she sent a text saying "thank you very much". Hadn't heard from her since."
"On the car ride home I just got upset because it was like April and she wanted me to wait until November to see my daughter. I felt I was being manipulated and went off on her."
"I was basically upset she raised all these men around my daughter and didn't even want to find me."

@Hightide...Everything (couldn't quote all) I told you she was going to do back in Jan/Feb. Everything! I don't know what lawyer you spoke to, but all you have to do WITHOUT A LAWYER is go to the family services in the county she is in and file for visitation. Why aren't you doing that? She's your daughter!
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"Like I said earlier, children are women's possessions so the world needs to quit telling me otherwise and acting like I am a coward if I dont fight."
The "world" thinking you are a coward doesn't matter here, it will be your DAUGHTER who will think you are the coward and wondering why the hell you didn't do whatever you could to see her. Trust me on that one..
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http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/messages.asp?id=3616264#
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based on these three lines and skimming through the rest, i want to give some feedback back to the source of it all...sometimes we need that
i think you can still make it work if you want to rekindle things and that is what she is afraid to ask for. she would only reconnect with you because of being whimsical and to see if you still felt the same way. i also think through all the sources saying pisces/cancer are soulmates, it can be debunked by hurtful games and resentment.
she may not fully trust you anymore and is trying to feel the waters and swims away when she sees things are not changed or are not stable...she might be in a predicament and that could be a reason she accepted that money in first place.
you have to be real with yourself too, i am not judging you or labeling you as a bad guy since i don't even know you. but you seem to be reflective enough that you know what you do/did to her and what she/doing to you. so i won't get into the financial thread, since it is very sensitive matter...
hmm putting light on those perspectives, i'd say be your thoughtful self and continue to be there for your daughter and her as paying respect as a mother of your child. visit her and send cards and make firm decisions to do so as is your right. remind her of why she felt the need to contact you in first place. you are good at reminding and bringing her back to those moments, and keep being persistent and unwavering. dont let her manipulate your emotions. i do that sometimes just to see how far i can get but usually get hurt when they just leave :/ so NO GAMES! smile
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Posted by HighTide

Me and my Pisces...
I thought Cancer/Pisces were the true soulmates of the zodiac...
Brutal honesty is fine...



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Thanks for the input people. I read many of them more than once. I also realized this whole situation made me look bad in the way I handled it because of my ego in love matters (Leo in Venus) but it has made me realize that I myself had became too demanding and I should have let the ego go in sake of my daughter. As a Cancer we tend to revisit the past too much and all the sentiments of hurt overpowered me as it does for alot of us moon children sometimes. I realized it made me look very weak as a man and that is why I have a different outlook on it now. I just cared alot about this but not in a healthy way and def not in a way that put me in my best light.
I think I am learning a cardinal rule that all Cancer have to learn before it destroys them, you can't just expect to have your way just because you gave into people in the past and feel its a right somehow domineer people now. It really isn't an expression of love in the correct sense even though we do mean well.
I am letting my emotions go to the backseat for a longwhile and try this logic thing for a while, maybe us Cancers can be the best in the zodiac if we express our feeling up front and look at things logically before emotionaly. I mean it is hard, but it seems doable if you just focus your energy on what really matters. The Core people in your life.


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Thanks for the input people. I read many of them more than once. I also realized this whole situation made me look bad in the way I handled it because of my ego in love matters (Leo in Venus) but it has made me realize that I myself had became too demanding and I should have let the ego go in sake of my daughter. As a Cancer we tend to revisit the past too much and all the sentiments of hurt overpowered me as it does for alot of us moon children sometimes. I realized it made me look very weak as a man and that is why I have a different outlook on it now. I just cared alot about this but not in a healthy way and def not in a way that put me in my best light.
I think I am learning a cardinal rule that all Cancer have to learn before it destroys them, you can't just expect to have your way just because you gave into people in the past and feel its a right somehow domineer people now. It really isn't an expression of love in the correct sense even though we do mean well.
I am letting my emotions go to the backseat for a longwhile and try this logic thing for a while, maybe us Cancers can be the best in the zodiac if we express our feeling up front and look at things logically before emotionaly. I mean it is hard, but it seems doable if you just focus your energy on what really matters. The Core people in your life.





Not one damn word about your DAUGHTER. All about you. IMO you need to be sterilized and so does the mother. My heart goes out to that little girl.
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Found out last week that I have a 9 year old daughter that I never knew about. I am 30 now so in a way I feel thankful I am able to take this all in compared to how I was when I was 20 and it is sort of gives me a new meaning in life. The mother was 17 when she had her and she told me she had a dna test back then but it turns out she never did, and when the child started getting older and looking like me she finally decided to find me on facebook.

I don't want to judge her for not letting me know, I am just trying to figure out her reasoning on something this major. We had only one big fight and she told me I was the best guy she ever had and that she was attracted to assholes back then. She ended up getting married and divorced so I am thinking maybe she did the Virgo wash my hands clean of the situation back then just to keep her sanity at a young age.
I just want the Virgo side of her to feel safe as she said she always felt safe with me. How should i handle this so she will let me see my daughter and keep everything fine in the Virgo mind. I just dont want her to disappear for some strange reason again. I have a college degree and I am a very christian person as she is now so I want to know how the Virgo mind looks at this and how I should proceed so the Virgo feels comfortable.
We were talking on facebook and I was being someone flirty to her just because I am that way towards everyone. She probably told me the funniest joke of my life when she said "You don't have to flirt with me, me having your child should show that".
Basically she is relaxed now but I am just afraid the Virgo overthinking might come in and I might press to hard somewhere. Just need opinions as I consider myself an evolved Cancer, just dont want to get emotional about this situation even though its hard not to.



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The way I look at it is if this woman can wait 9 years to tell me she can wait another 9 if she doesn't like the way things are going. I have dealt with enough Virgos to see how they can be at their best and worst
Im just going to step back regardless is what I decided I am going to do. I am not going to plan activities and try to rush myself into the little girls life in anyway. If her mom just used me as a sperm donor so she could have her own personal babydoll and not want to share then that's on her conscious from now on not mine. My concern is the effect this will have on a child someday psychologically.The little girl is a Cancer so I know it will come out when she hits 16/17.
In my heart I know I would have made this right if I would have known earlier, I am not going to have a fraud relationship with my daughter just so this woman can sleep better at night and make me jump through her own series of hoops she can make me feel somehow what she did is normal. I am not giving the Virgo that, there is no amount of logic in the world that says keeping a child from her father and thinking your a better parent than the other person without even giving them a chance is right or even moral. Thats the thing, I did nothing to show I would have been a bad father and this woman knows that and admit it.
I am going to be there for my daughter if she calls out for me and needs her real daddy, otherwise I am not going to invest energy until the girl is grown, not because I don't care, but because I am not going to deal with Virgo logic on this situation where I am not given an equal footing. I just am bracing myself because I know the zany side of the Virgo is going to come out and change her mind without even notifying me and then I will be helpless, no thank you. My daughter will know she is loved by me before I take my last breath and God knows that. For now I will take the DNA test and let the woman contact me when she wants to start the process. If she treats me fairly within time I will truly forgive her and let it go forever. If not I will just wait it out. I am not in the mood for a cold war, especially with something like this.

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you were right all along P-Angel, sorry to have deleted the post on the Virgo forum, just thought it would be annoying to bring it back over there as I feel most people there saw how illogical I was acting earlier this year.
for the record the mother of my daughter is a Pisces with Virgo Moon, I wanted to understand the Moon part of her better.
This was a huge ordeal from the start and I apologize if I seemed wishy washy in the Virgo forum posts. I was an emotional wreck with a different emotion every day it seemed.

I got married to an Aries woman with a Virgo moon this weekend(We had been talking marriage for a while) and she has been able to explain to me how I was wrong and how the other woman was wrong. She has a daughter and we both want my own daughter to be able to be in our lives at some point. I am just going to be patient about this from now on and realize how I could have handled it better to begin with. We both decided we should seek her out around age 14 or 15 and see if she wants to be in our lives.If not I will be there for her in the future. I will never stop loving her.
Thanks everyone for the input, I needed honesty and I appreciated it alot.
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I thought Cancer/Pisces were the true soulmates of the zodiac, why would this woman claim to love me yet be with everyone except me and put me through this emotional torture.



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I got married to an Aries woman with a Virgo moon this weekend .....

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... to have deleted the post on the Virgo forum, just thought it would be annoying to bring it back over there as I feel most people there saw how illogical I was acting earlier this year.




You are still extremely illogical. It appears that you operate solely from an emotional standpoint, without the capability of utilizing any rational thought.
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