In Love with a Pices, more of a help question.
Hi,
I recently started seeing a Pisces and he's so deep. We have been seeing one another for 9 months now and I remember trying to bring up the conversation about where we were going and he did exactly what you said. (Swam away), so I never mentioned it again and figured when he's ready he will tell me and that just being with him was good enough for me.
We met in a club (unfortunatley, not the most romantic) but when he called me over and he tried to speak to me we bumped head and nearly kissed (the energy was amazing), being so close to someone who was a complete stranger and feeling that feeling, I was frozen. It was instant from the beginning (for me anyways) , I can honesyly say I fell for him the moment I saw him, and because I'm a Virgo (Logic person) I figured it was all in my head and he did not feel the same, BUT he mentioned this feeling he gets from just kissing me, and I feel it to, so i was pretty happy about that. I find I get nervous around him and not too sure how to make conversation he relates too. I want to be able to have conversations with him so I can understand him better, I love listening to him but find that I'm not exactly hearing him or what he is really trying to say. I try not tto read too much into anything he does because his moods change on me without notice or explanation (which is fine because I understand that is just who he is), he likes his privacy and safe zone. He travels and is leaving again soon and I wanted to do something special for him, nothing that would scare him away of course, just somehting to make him know I'll be missing him (not trying to be desparate). I text message him yesterday and said "Not too sure when your leaving and i know you have alot to do before you go but if your not busy maybe we can chill? I wanted to offer lift to the airport but not too sure how he would take it., considering I sent him a text yesterday but I haven't heard from him as yet. Is this wise ? Please help.
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Pisces people NEED to have a connection with somebody in order to be able to make the union complete, and this connection has to take place within certain conditions. They main condition is by "getting" where each other is coming from.
Though, a physical connection is great .. it isn't really required. The physical part can develop later. What stood out in my mind when I read this was when you said,
"I love listening to him but find that I'm not exactly hearing him or what he is really trying to say."
This is something that will make or break a partnership with a Pisces. We struggle everyday of our lives trying to get a person to "hear" what we're trying to express because what is in our minds are feeling-based, rather than thought-based. For this reason is why we are so creative, for it gives us an avenue to express what we are feeling without falling over words to say to effectively relate what is flowing inside of us.
Eventhough he can feel you in his gut .. this isn't enough for him to make a connection to you, if you aren't "getting" him when he tries to relate to you. This isn't easy to do for a lot of people, especially Virgo's, who are logic-based and use words as they have been formed from thoughts to say what they mean. Pisces use feelings and have to find a way to transfer these feelings to words to say what they mean.
This is a difficult task, so don't feel like you're failing in some way to grasp, for many Pisces people can relate in words what they mean, however many cannot and just end up stuttering or talking in half-sentences.
Most Pisces, both genders, are interested in anything Mystical, or Spiritual ... so, I would suggest trying to lead the conversations within these subjects to see if you can get him to talk, where you can understand what he's saying. If you are aware ahead of time, the avenue in which the conversation will flow, then perhaps when he talks obscurely or incoherently .... you'll be able to pick up what he's trying to say because you'll already know the subject.
Read up on Mayan Prophecy, or Indian Rituals, Wicca, Numerology ... anything along those lines and introduce different concepts of a souls life-path to him ... his interest will likely perk up and hopefully give you a road in which to find some communication about life.
Hope that helped 
Moro192000/ P-Angel,
Your insights are great, it really helped me understand what I am doing wrong. I sent him that text on Tuesday though, I do not want him to feel like I'm pressing on him to see him before he leaves even though I really want to see him. I was trying to let him know that I understand how busy he was going to be so that it would not seem like a chore to him to see me.
He got into a fight the other night which never happens, and he called me to come over and he was trying to explain to me and all I could think about and say to him is that I was just glad he was safe and at home. This fight definietly upset him, he was thrown out of the club which must have taken a shot to his ego but all I could think about was how happy I was he was safe. Was that the right approach?
I got him a gift "Candels, Lavender Body Oil and a book "The Kit Runner", I was not sure about the book I thought maybe I should hacve gotton more of a Spiritual/Mystical Book, but I heard this book is amazing, have either of you heard of it? What do you think, any book suggestions, he loves music.
Mayan Prophecy, or Indian Rituals, Wicca, Numerology reading up on it as we speak.
More ugently though I sent him that text on Tuesday, I do not want him to feel like I'm pressing on him to see him before he leaves what should I say? I know I sound like a kid but I am willing to listen without logic and try to actually hear him and I do not want to say anything wrong right now, he leaving for 1 1/2 months. PLEASE HELP.
I really appreciate everyone's advice and you are both very right, I do think everything out. I'm a thinker. I will definetly do my best to be more open minded and not read into everything so much. I still haven't heard from him but I completely understand he is busy and he must be feelings so many things right now as he is close with his family and won't be seeing them, not sure what I can do to make it easier on him or even what to offer. I am content with all your advice and you have no idea how much better you've made me feel, sometimes I guess I just need to chill and enjoy the moment instead of questioning the crap out of each action and response I get. I will definietly send a text later on tonight but i just need to understand what I am feeling first and convey it to him without dancing around it. I think.. I mean my feelings right now are that I miss him and that is what I will tell him. I will just tell him how I feel from now on rather than worry about what the outcome is going to be and question myself at the same time I do kinda have to reserve some things to make sure I'm not coming on strong.(risky business you Pisces are, but more than worth it.) Am I getting this, anywhere close to comprehending what either one of you are saying?
Starfish,
Don't go " around" what you want to say. Say it straight "I am going to miss you. I thought taking you to the airport will be a nice way to help you chill out and have a nice trip. Would you let me take you there?"
This is far better of what you wrote him. Do you know how it sounds your message? His mind and his sensitive heart are so occupied by thoughts and feelings for the trip that chilling out with you is an extra task. You don't make your point clear and you are not expressing your emotions.
Do you agree with this? have I been dancing aroung my words?
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I've read a short synopsis of The Kite Runner, but not the book. Is he into these kinds of events staged around human suffering and oppression? This story would be too disturbing .. physical cruelty to other human beings who are deemed inferiour is kind of a lot to digest for this Pisces. We're a sensitive bunch to human suffering .. would he like that?
"Candels, Lavender Body Oil" ...... ????????????
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"Do you agree with this? have I been dancing aroung my words?"
I wouldn't call it dancing .. more like avoiding.
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At the beginning of the thread, you said that once you mentioned where the relationship was going, he swam away .... however, I'm not clear if this was just recently, as in he hasn't conacted you since, eventhough you are texting him, or if this was a while ago.
Once you approached him about definition .... has he not talked to you since?
Yeah your right the book touched me because of the relaity of it, but he's not going to see it like that. Any suggestions?
"Candels, Lavender Body Oil" ...... ???????????? I know too girly. Mainly he's going for a job and it involves constant labour 7 days a week 12 hours a day. I though it was sensible. He's gonna be stressed, tired and by himself and actually he's been working out alot and he said his legs were hurting him so I figure body Oil for a meaasge maybe..? OMG this was a bad idea. Hey do Pisces(Guy) like Valentines Day?
Your Thoughts:
Don't go " around" what you want to say. Say it straight "I am going to miss you. I thought taking you to the airport will be a nice way to help you chill out and have a nice trip. Would you let me take you there?"
This is far better of what you wrote him. Do you know how it sounds your message? His mind and his sensitive heart are so occupied by thoughts and feelings for the trip that chilling out with you is an extra task. You don't make your point clear and you are not expressing your emotions.
P-Angel:
Do you agree with this? have I been dancing aroung my words?
No P-Angel,
I brought it up in July sometime because he went away for two months ( I did not know he was going away for 2 months, thought it was for 1 month), no calls, no texts.
When he got back and called me I went over and told him I would never treat him like that and it was unfair for him to think as though I would be here no matter what, every time he left and came back. I was angry and just told him how it hurt me,a nd wasn't sure where this was going and wanted to know. I saw him two nights aster that this lounge, and tried to offer him a drink, he said no thanks. The next day I sent a text telling him that since I had not heard anything from him, and since he didn't want to speak to me that I wished him well in everything his does and took the assumption that he didn't want anything to do with me. The night after that he calls me and he was angry but all in all he apologized and said he did care about me and that it was wrong what he did.
Sorry Starfish, I din't mean to be so frustrating. I just think I thought it all figured out and then realized how wrong I was.
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It's hard for me to express without being prolificly explanatory .. but, I'll make this as short as possible 
Here's the problem and solution with this ... it's all in the WAY you're talking to him. It's also relevant with earlier when you said that you have a hard time understanding him, or hearing him.
The problem with everything, even with your texts ... you're talking to him wrong.
The sharp critical tongue of a Virgo has no adverse effect on a Pisces .. quite the opposite. We respond better to direct bluntness than we do a praising approach of pampering.
You had mentioned that you were worried about coming on too strong verbally with him and didn't want to scare him and the fact of the matter is, to be direct within your natural Virgo trait is what you're supposed to be doing.
It appears to me that you have a concern about buffering your words and tone with him for a fear of making him swim away ... and the thing is, because Pisces can "feel" your mood, long before the words ever leave your mouth .. the Pisces will know if your tone/words are in accordance with your mood. For example: When he got kicked out of the club and was upset, instead of saying what you really wanted to say (whatever that was, and it may have even been scolding him), you just pampered him by saying that you're just happy that he's safe. And I know this to be true because two times you said that you didn't know what to say, and that was the only thing you could think of.
I don't believe that .. Virgo's never struggle with words to voice something to say. What you meant was .... you couldn't determine what it was you thought HE wanted you to say.
I'm a Pisces who's been married to a Virgo for 25 years, and it took me ages to get this through to him .. "say" what it is HE wants to say and not what he thinks he SHOULD say. I can feel that he's going to attempt to second-guess what he thinks I want to hear before the words ever leave his mouth.
So, my whole point is ... you're trying to predict what he wants and offering that to him, rather than offering to him what you want to give him. We do NOT like any kind of pacifying, we don't like any kind of second quessing, or any kind of fear of saying what is on your mind.
P-Angel:
okay, so I sent a text message him two days ago saying the following:
Not too sure when your leaving and i know you have alot to do before you go but if your not busy maybe we can chill?
I got back from him:
Cool. I will call u.
I haven't heard anything, what now, send a text or is that me not respecting his space?
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"I text message him yesterday and said "Not too sure when your leaving and i know you have alot to do before you go but if your not busy maybe we can chill?" I wanted to offer lift to the airport but not too sure how he would take it."
The text you sent above is a right one to send ... however, the tone is set around second-guessing him, rather than being direct with what you want .. it insinuates that it's all at his convenience and discretion and lacks any determination or confidence in what you want.
You can't offend us with direct bluntness, trying .. I promise. We may have to take space to process what it is you want us to comprehend, but, it won't frighten us away. We WANT people to tell us what they want.
In this text you say such things as
"Not too sure when your leaving"
"i know you have alot to do"
"if your not busy"
Above ... can you see what I'm saying? It's all about him and whether he wants something or not .. there is nothing in the way you talk to him to allow him to give something back to you.
I've had this issue with my husband before, and sometimes still do. He says, "But, I just want you to be happy, Angie" .. and I understand that .. but, the problem is that I want him to be happy too. Everything CANNOT be able me getting and him giving .. for me to feel like I am giving him something he has to compromise and state what it is he wants so it can be given.
And this is where I see your error is with communicating with him. Your text suggests that this is ONLY for him and his desires ... he has nothing to give you.
What if it's not good for you?
What if your busy .. maybe he wants to compromise for you?
"you really don't have to say that much. just tell him that it would do you pleasure to take him to the airport to see him off..And then when you get him to the air port you might wanna tell him that you will miss him."
SF .. did you say the above? Perfect. Be short, sweet, direct and base the words around what would make you happy.
I will miss you
It would please me to take you to the airport
P-Angel,
You really are an angel. I thank you so much. Starfish, you too. I will let you know how this turns out and won't be so confusing next time.
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Text him .. tell him what Starfish said.
I'm so scared..i know it's stupid, it's just a text, I'm texting him now.
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You're not confusing .. and you're welcome 
Just remember ... you can't give ALL the time .. you have to let someone give back in order for them to make you happy.
Good Luck and I hope your Fish realizes the catch he has 
I am going to be just completely honest with him and tell him exactly what come to my mind rather then hold it in and question it because as you said he's going to know my mood and words do not match and he might take this as me trying to manipulate him. I get what you are saying, be blunt, honest and considerate, explain myself properly so he understands. Thanks again.
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You're welcome .. you'll do fine. 
Wow, so I got nothing back, oh well it was worth the try..... I know patience is a virtue.
P Angel:
So it's been sometime now I have haven't heard anything, this seems like a pattern now. He's done this before leves then calls me when he gets back but I feel like an idiot for always waiting for him, at this point I am so unsure what to do, should I be happy when he gets back or should I be upset, I'm so tired of thinking. I understand that you said this is how a Pisces operates with their emotions rather than reality, but I keep blaming myself for the situation and the fact of the matter is is that I have guys hitting on me all the time but I always let them know what's going on. I know he's a great guy and he knows (I'm positive of it) that I'm true to him even though we aren't boyfriend, girlfriend. He made a comment to me before leaving calling me his girl but I thought nothing of it because if that's what he wanted I think he would have asked/talked about rather than just referring to the term. He's very straight forward with me all the time or at least he seems as thought he is. He's very blunt with me on all matters. So why do all this, why be so, so .... hurtful with me. He went from spending a whole week with me everyday and introducing me to his parents and sister to all this uncertainty. He know's I think the world of him, is this my mistake? I've been honest with him from the start and I know he know's I've been as well. I'm shy when it comes to him, maybe that's my problem, please help, what do I do from here?
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"He's very blunt with me on all matters. So why do all this, why be so, so .... hurtful with me. He went from spending a whole week with me everyday and introducing me to his parents and sister to all this uncertainty. He know's I think the world of him, is this my mistake?"
(((hugs))) .. I'm so sorry you're hurting right now.
Pisces people are so strange to try and understand why we do the things we do .. we can be so contrary.
I fear from everything that has happened .. that he's disconnected from you. And I'm sorry to say this. Pisces people are completely into you and devoting everything to you .. or total ignorance, and it's all determined by whether we are still connected to you.
For instance .. he was very blunt and open with you, shared his family with you .. then gone, as if it never existed. This is the infamous swimming away .. we do it without any regard, acknowledgement or concern for the other person. We can do it to family, friends, jobs, situations .. anything .. with no remorse.
I'll try and find an old post I made addressing this very issue and pull it up for you to read, if I can find it. Maybe it will shed some light on why we do this.
There's no way to know for sure if he has dis-connected himself from you, but, it sounds like it if you haven't heard from him after sending him the text. And no, you didn't do this last attempt at contacting him wrong and have gone beyond all effort in trying to figure his head out.
Let me think on it awhile and maybe Starfish will come in here with some ideas. I'll get back to this
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Trying .. I hit the post in which I was trying to describe to kris why Pisces people swim away .... it starts on page 3 .. the thread is called ....
How to treat your Pisces (in case you didn't know)
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Moro192000 and P-Angel:
P-Angel
For instance .. he was very blunt and open with you, shared his family with you .. then gone, as if it never existed. This is the infamous swimming away .. we do it without any regard, acknowledgement or concern for the other person. We can do it to family, friends, jobs, situations .. anything .. with no remorse.
I meant he was gone as in "he left for a trip and then came back" , he travels s throughout the year to various locations.
Moro192000
All my apologies... I saw you were talking to P-Angel but I felt like telling you couple of things:
Thanks so much, I hate to say it but your both probably right, I'm gonna let this go, I hate it but I can'r force someone to feel something they obviously don't.
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So, were you able to talk to him before he left .. did you get to take him to the airport and discuss some things that needed to be said?
When you said he left you with all the uncertainty .. I thought you meant he swam away, and haven't heard from him since. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
P-Angel:
No I he just left. What do I do when he decides to call again, I'm hoping I have the strength not to answer, I always answer, I awalys go over, we chill and then it's the figure 8 again.
I meant he left me with all this uncertainty because he always does this. I;m not sure if I should move on or not becasue when he comes back he calls me and we connect gain, I am not sure what to ask him regarding the situation, but I sent that text and got no response so I guess I have to just assume he wants nothing to do with me anymore.
i totally feel what you are going through coz im going through the same thing too..
i think what will be best is that u tell him how you feel and what you want relationship wise and if he doesnt feel the same way then sadly you will have to say goodbye becasue its constantly playing on your mind
love and life should be fun not sadness and analysing all the time
goodluck!
just reposting what i put in another thread
my opinion is the key with pisces men, is that they live in their own little world and you either have to take them for who they are and give them their space or walk
I think they just need alot of support
P-Angel/ Moro192000/ Taury 23:
Thanks so much, I nkow I said I would leave it alone, but I really want to stick around with him and I could deal with all of his spcae. Before I met him I usually like being on my own, working out, reading, hanging out with my friends, I liked my space, so it's so weird for me right now, I've never actually wanted to spend time with someone, he facinates me and I really enjoy being with him when were together, he's an amazing person. He's going through alot right now and I think what I need to do is just get back to myself ith the things I used to do before he came along and when he needs me I will be there and support him in all he does, but at the same time not lose myself in this figure 8. I have to either accept him or move on. He's probably always going to be like this, because it's who he is. Patience, acceptance and support is going to have to be my mind set with him. I have come to the conclusion that after so much that he has been doing nothing wrong, they just operate differently than us, better actually, they protect themselves and there's just nothing wrong with that, it's their nature. So thanks so much for all your help, and if this ever gets to marriage and will definitely hit you guys up with an invitation.