My first Pisces and this is so new...

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I am a cancer female. I am very true to my nature as such. It seems like the more I get to know my pisces, the more I find out how true he is to his nature. I am 32 and I have a daughter that is 7. Both of us adore him very much. I am sorta confused about a few things and was wondering if you guys could help shed some light for me.
We have been together for a month and 1/2. We work together also, except in different departments. He stayed the night after the 2nd date and didn't go home until yesterday..I know that sounds trashy, but...It is the truth. We have been together 24/7 for the last month & 1/2, except when he goes to see his mother, who he is very close with. I really do not have a problem with that. He just found out about a month ago that the girl (also 7) he thought was his daughter, is not. Cruel ex...I know he misses her very much. I took him on a trip for christmas and he was very withdrawn the whole time. I finally had had enough on the 3rd day and asked if he even liked me anymore, because he sure did not act like it. He said the whole time he had been thinking about his daughter and I felt totally bad for getting upset with him. He kept telling me it was ok, but I really beat myself up for it. We got home and he went and saw his mom and came back better somehow...
We sat down and talked for a while..I can talk very easily with him...we both desided that he sould go home for a while and things are happening way to fast and we need to slow it down a bit. Normally, I would take this as his losing interest, but I really do not think it is the case...ideas?
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Ideas?

Yeah, in fact . . back off . . how cruel could a person be?

First, learn about Pisces, read on the many sites . . cafeastrology has a lot of info. Pisces FEEL everything down to their core . . you crushed him, how mean could you be?

Here he is . . feeling devasted that he'd been lied to for seven years, that the child he adored, nurtured and loved wasn't his seed . . . and you throw some sort of fit about YOU, and how he's suppose to feel about YOU . . typical Cancer, can't get past YOURSELF, as though your little feelings of not being center of his affection at the moment is more important than his child.

Not much difference between you and the ex: she would use him for her own feelings, and so would you use him during a time of grief, for yourself.

As we all do, he looked for comfort within his partners heart, to aid him during this heart-wrencing episode, so the pain wouldn't be so destroying . . and you were ONLY thinking about YOU.

To his mother he went, where someone cares about HIM during his time of despair.

How cruel could you be? Beat yourself up? However, it was after-the-fact . . you can say anything you want now, beat away . . that doesn't take back that in his time of need . . . you throw shit in his face about YOUR feelings and cared nothing about his.

Did he HAVE to tell you why he was upset? Can you not have empathy enough for someone who you cared about tremendously to get past yourself, already, and have compassion for his torment?

There's no doubt in my mind that when you said, "we both desided", is actually not the truth . . HE decided to bail, and so would I in this scenerio . . for if it were a mutual decision, you wouldn't then have said, "Normally, I would take this as his losing interest, but I really do not think it is the case". This suggests that he posed something to you, as his wish, for you are talking about how you "take" it.

Damn, that was a terrible thing to do . . I truly hope he finds happiness . . he sounds like a wonderful person.
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Wow P-Angel,

That was strong.

Yes he sounds like a wonderful person. After all, he didnt felt releived that his daughter is not his daughter....rather crushed...

I can't agree with you more. However, I belive there are even worser people in the world that this Cancer woman is. Most probably would even abandon him...which would mean two shocks...at least she thinks about herself but not in offencive way...

I agree with you.
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Alright, Haffo . . perhaps, that was a little too strong.

It's just . . he was in pain, and the heart to whom he could trust would protect his tender feelings, betrayed him . . . how devasting . . a double-whammy . . his daughter and his partner. In a way, she did abandon him, Haffo . . when he needed her, she wasn't there for him . . to be in his presence means nothing, if the heart isn't there.

I don't do Cancers very well, for this reason . . they lack compassion, and it's difficult to get past how a person can claim love without feeling.
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"I mistaked his being deep in thought for a problem between us"

Yeah, we got that the moment we read the thread . .

Apparantly . . he got that too . . that's why he jetted.

You are the one who doesn't get it, menbay12 . . . the concern was on yourself and how he feels about YOU . . that was your focus and apparantly he realizes this now.

Perception through our senses is everything to Pisces . . we feel our way through life . . it matters not what you SAY, now, for it's too late . . he knows that you aren't feeling him, rather, only yourself, for if you were feeling him, you would have asked, "What's the matter, honey. Is there anything I can do to help?" Nope, that didn't happen. Instead, an accusation of guilt was thrown at him, "Do you even like me anymore".

He's probably questioning that himself . . NOW !!

Cancer's take EVERYTHING so personally, like everything that happens in this world is directly related to them . . then cry when their feelings get hurt.

No pity from me . . if the pain is self-inflicted and I see this as self-inflicting because you ASSUMED a false emotion based off of your insecurity of not having his full attention at all times.

Pisces are deep, one can't flick our surface with backwards sparkle motion and expect us to react according to your expectations of gaining action from us with the purpose of stroking your ego, through guilt-tripping.

We're beyond that . . the fish probably isn't a good match for the crab. To relate to us, you have to have the ability to feel us, not just think us.

There are two sides you will come across with the fish: one is sweet and nurturing when we know you are true to your feelings; the other is less nice, and we will reject any person who pretends to know what feelings are, when in fact, their actions prove otherwise . .
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We don't do guilt . . if you want this man in your life . . you won't get anywhere if your aim is to get what you want through trying to make him feel guilty about his feelings, because these "feelings" he has is truer and deeper than you could ever imagine.

Many ways to a Pisces, many interests each person will have . . but, we have a handle on "feelings" . . we KNOW how we feel . . try to use them against us, by making us feel guilty, to suggest we don't know how we feel . . is a mistake.

Perhaps, if you want this man . . let him own his world of feelings. It's likely, since Pisces are pure feelings, that the reason WHY he wasn't talking about it was because he wasn't ready to . . does that matter to you?
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menbay12,

Since this is your first time at trying to get to know the Pisces, let me clear something up, as though I've not done so harshly, already . . .

We are in total control of our feelings, in both planes of our existence. When we are in the "other" realm, we pull away, withdraw, remain silent .. sometimes, for prolonged periods of time . . in this "other" plane of reality, we find strength. Keep in mind that while we are in our alter reality, we are fully lucid, in fact, I'm doing so as I type this and can still keep focus on my point.

It's crucial to comprehend this . . for when you do, the question will never again be, "Do you still like me." We will live how we feel. If he wasn't feeling you, he wouldn't be with you. It's that simple.

While your boyfriend was silent with you compared to his normal communication . . he was "feeling out" his feelings in his alter reality . . whether those feelings were about your relationship with him as you thought it was, or whether it was for what he stated, thinking about his kid . . is irrelevant, as far as my purpose in saying this.

What is relevant for my purpose in saying this, is this other side of the Pisces is apart of our existence, an extremely important side . . and the "perfect partner" we all are looking for . . . is one who acknowledges this and allows us the privacy of sorting out for ourselves.

In the future, with this man, or another Pisces . . he will be looking for this in you. He will be looking for a partner who understands that he KNOWS how he feels,and most importantly he will be searching in you with that peircing stare . . do you know that he knows how he feels?

Most people don't understand the Pisces, they think we are lost somewhere. We're not, in fact, we are completely grounded within our feelings . . you can't put thought to that . . we feel. To understand this man and have a relationship with this man, it's imparative to comprehend . . we know how we feel.
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P-Angel, I think you are being a little harsh on the Cancer. She stated that she beat herself up when she realized that he was stressed about his daughter and it sounds like to me he needed some time to deal with a shocker like that on his own. He needed some space. I don't see anything wrong with what she did. Pisces are very emotional (My father is one and an ex fiance')So, they feel deeply and they need their space to deal with issues. I think this is good for th both of them.

She should check on him from time to time and make sure he is OK. It did seem like they were moving a little fast though.
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I am usually a little more perceptive, but I really did not pick up on that because he had not said anything about it for almost a month. I should have known though, at first we were a distraction for him after he found out & I should have know the other shoe would drop in his emotions about it. I cannot imagine how he must feel.
We are still together, just not living together. The whole thing is a little confusing for me. Our feelings for each other are very intense and we are both scared by it. But not to scared to persue what is ahead.
p-angel..I appreciate your comments. I don't think we even had a fight over what I said while we were on vacation. I had asked him several times what was wrong and he said everything was fine, but I knew it wasn't. After, I told him he wasn't acting like he liked me anymore, we talked for a hour about what he was feeling. I wasn't being cruel, I just did not know why he was so withdrawn and seriously thinking he just did not want to be around me anymore. I should have known what was on his mind, but I didn't..
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See, this is an example of what I meant . .

I said at 12:37:09 today that I was being harsh . . then, Queenscorpio, in her oblivion of my self-awareness, feels compelled to tell me something that she thinks I don't know, as if, I have no clue.

lol, we are extremely self-aware . . take heed of that, and a relationship with a Pisces will flourish. Say to them at 3:25:37, which is nearly 3 hours later, that which they already know . . will send the fish packing because we realize that you aren't comprehending us . . only yourself.

lol

"She stated that she beat herself up when she realized" . . . which was after-the-fact. Pisces has little tolerance in this department. Threads are started all the time about how confusing the Pisces is to others because they just swim away with little, and sometimes, no warning.

There's a reason WHY this happens and I am relaying what that WHY is . . to be successful in a relationship with the fish and not have feelings hurt, it's crucial to know this . . we can't be treated as though we aren't aware of our surroundings, our attitude, other's attitudes, how we feel . . for if we are . . we swim away to go find a person who does comprehend that we are self-aware.

To wait out this man and give him space sounds great . . only, it was his choice to do, not hers and it's obvious, for it's inbetween the lines of her account and two, she didn't defend this . . he took the space because she tried to lay guilt on how he feels about her, instead of showing concern for his sorrowful moment. It's likely, he's gone . . he'll swim upstream and see if there's somebody else who knows that he knows who he is.

Sorry, Queenscorpio . . I was just using your input as an example to my point. And he doesn't need checking on to see if he's OK . . to do this, to state this as to the reason for the call . . will push him further away . . it suggests that she thinks he isn't OK emotionally. The fish isn't complex, but, we are adamant that we know who we are and if we have the "feeling" that a person who is suppose to be our partner thinks we are weak emotionally . . we jet . . that's the way it is.

And, here's an example in this thread. Once the suggestion was made that this male fish wasn't connected to his feelings, through means of making him feel guilty for feeling enough . . he left.
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Hey, don't beat yourself up about it too much, menbay12...*everyone misinterprets at times..we can't all be mind-readers, and the piscean psyche can run very deep, and be real hard to fathom at times. All of this is very new for you, and the pain and shock he feels will hit him (extra) hard. Pisceans generally don't throw things, run a tangent or confide our own problems to others too readily. Withdrawing is common, until the heart can heal. We have to think things out on our own. However, the remorse you feel now, even post, does show that you do care. Deep down, he will know and sense this, and respect you for it too. He just needs 'time' to sort things out on his own, in his own mind, first and foremost...

**i really don't know of many cancers in my life...maybe a little naive on this sign, 'but one cancer i do know who is 'VERY' compassionate is 'Montel Williams' ...i've never seen a man shed so many tears for the plight of others..
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I must admit, p-angel you did scare the crap out of me at first..lol, but i quickly realized you were going for effect..im glad you did, because it will definently make me think more before i speak in the future...
i am a typical crab girl..i need lots of love and reassurance..so selfish, i know. on the other hand (very crab like) i know who i am and i don't need anyone to tell me i am worthwhile.
I like this guy alot and want to know more about him. i have a feeling i am in for one wild ride. the more i learn, the more i am glad for the experience.
1)Q- what are you thinking about? A-nothing.= im daydreaming /on my other plane
2)Q- why are you so quiet today? A-i'm not=leave me alone for a little while, im figuring something out
3)Q- are we ok? you are a little stand offish today. A- we are fine. = the whole world does not revolve around you, silly crab, back off and i'll be just fine after i figure things out

am i getting warmer?
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I'm the same way, Lady . . . if I feel safe and comfortable with a person, I'm ozzing with emotional expression. I don't mean, suffocating or smothering, but, I will open up and comeforth with every/any thing heart-felt. It's when I can sense that the person I'm with isn't keeping me safe in his heart . . that's when I close up, and in most cases . . leave.

There's something that I believe most people (non-P's) don't realize about our kind and usually have bad reactions to it because they don't know how to deal with it on a daily basis . .

. . when a person is sitting with the fish, having an intense and deep conversation, that feeling of great belonging to the Pisces

. . when a person is feeling the surge rip through their body, during a moment of passion and they believe that they've found their dream lover

. . when a person is over-wrought with grief or pain and rejoices in the compassion of the Pisces, as the fish wraps them up in a blanket of sheer safety while their hearts break, without fear of being forsaken for the weakness

all these emotions that people have when they are with the Pisces and they know that this fish is special to them . . this feeling NEVER leaves us

Over the years, we learn how to staff off feelings that are unappropriate for any given event, but, we feel them just as we felt them at the time, just as deeply. I don't think people realize that. They find the fish to be sooooooo moody, but, rarely stop to comprehend it's because we can still feel it, as though it were yesterday.
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i took your advise to heart guys...and i am very apprecitave. it is amazing how the world looks when you take in this different perspective. new turf, realizing the whole world doesn't revolve around me. i did not realize how self centered i really am until this. p-angel, i thank you most of all for hitting me right between the eyes, i guess it is what i needed to truely understand what you were saying. valuable life lesson.
i do not want to be something i am not, i want to truely make this a part of who i am, an evolution.
things are amazing between the two of us. i am trying to apply what i have learned from you in all my relationships...