pisces and loyalty
This topic was created in the Pisces forum by v-lady on Monday, April 21, 2008 and has 33 replies.
Just wanted to send some love to the really, really loyal and loving pisces out there in the world. Thought you might like to be appreciated for something that I, at least, don't hear enough of. The pisces I know is one of the most grounded, consistent, sensible (and loyal) people I've ever met in my life.
Pisces rock.
On a kind of related note... Anyone have any sort of insights on the sun in pisces, venus in aries, mars in taurus combination? I've been trying to figure out how the sun/venus/mars placements relate to each other for ages and I can't understand it at all.
Pisces rock.
On a kind of related note... Anyone have any sort of insights on the sun in pisces, venus in aries, mars in taurus combination? I've been trying to figure out how the sun/venus/mars placements relate to each other for ages and I can't understand it at all.
"The pisces I know is one of the most grounded, consistent, sensible (and loyal) people I've ever met in my life."
Earlier, I started to respond to this thread and then changed my mind, for I too was left with the same reaction as Outcast, but, didn't want to voice it. However, since it's out in the open now ... I will respond to it.
v-lady .. all of those things you said above are contrary to Fish .... we are dreamers (not grounded), sporatic/spontaneous (not consistant), and very scattered/confused with practicalities (not sensible) .. this is our inherent nature.
You, the only thing I'm left with when trying to determine your motivation for stroking our egos ... is to wonder what it is your are expecting in return.
Earlier, I started to respond to this thread and then changed my mind, for I too was left with the same reaction as Outcast, but, didn't want to voice it. However, since it's out in the open now ... I will respond to it.
v-lady .. all of those things you said above are contrary to Fish .... we are dreamers (not grounded), sporatic/spontaneous (not consistant), and very scattered/confused with practicalities (not sensible) .. this is our inherent nature.
You, the only thing I'm left with when trying to determine your motivation for stroking our egos ... is to wonder what it is your are expecting in return.
"all of those things you said above are contrary to Fish .... we are dreamers (not grounded), sporatic/spontaneous (not consistant), and very scattered/confused with practicalities (not sensible) .. this is our inherent nature"
All I'm saying is that I have had absolutely no evidence of this in the pisces I've known (all seven of them, though the comment was prompted by one in particular). Perhaps this is a slur on how generalizable astrology is. Perhaps there are other things that come into play here. I don't know and I won't presume to understand what is in humanity's heart and soul. I only speak from my own experience.
"I wonder what she will ask back for all these nice words."
"You, the only thing I'm left with when trying to determine your motivation for stroking our egos ... is to wonder what it is your are expecting in return."
I'd say something in my defense, but I think those comments speak much more about both of you and your view of the world than they do me. After reading this, go to the mirror and repeat the following ten times: "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!"
All I'm saying is that I have had absolutely no evidence of this in the pisces I've known (all seven of them, though the comment was prompted by one in particular). Perhaps this is a slur on how generalizable astrology is. Perhaps there are other things that come into play here. I don't know and I won't presume to understand what is in humanity's heart and soul. I only speak from my own experience.
"I wonder what she will ask back for all these nice words."
"You, the only thing I'm left with when trying to determine your motivation for stroking our egos ... is to wonder what it is your are expecting in return."
I'd say something in my defense, but I think those comments speak much more about both of you and your view of the world than they do me. After reading this, go to the mirror and repeat the following ten times: "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!"
My response doesn't come from a self-esteem issue, v-lady .. for I already know I'm good enough for the world, for I am good enough for myself and that is all that matters.
However, you said that this was stemmed from a particular Pisces, and so obviously, there was a motivation on your part in which to start this thread ..... so, we aren't far off-base with this assessment that something is wanted in return.
No need to think about defending yourself ... for you weren't attacked. We merely responded with what we assessed was the motive behind our egos being stroked ... which is quite normal for a Pisces to do, for red-flags start waving to us when we encounter a person starting a conversation by stroking egos, rather than speaking about what it is they actually are feeling .... for it sets a tempo of us believing that if you compliment us, then our response to you is expected to be just as complimentary to you back.
However, you said that this was stemmed from a particular Pisces, and so obviously, there was a motivation on your part in which to start this thread ..... so, we aren't far off-base with this assessment that something is wanted in return.
No need to think about defending yourself ... for you weren't attacked. We merely responded with what we assessed was the motive behind our egos being stroked ... which is quite normal for a Pisces to do, for red-flags start waving to us when we encounter a person starting a conversation by stroking egos, rather than speaking about what it is they actually are feeling .... for it sets a tempo of us believing that if you compliment us, then our response to you is expected to be just as complimentary to you back.
So, does this mean you are in love with another Fish?
Thanks for the clarification, p-angel. Glad to hear that it's all good.
And I genuinely don't want a damned thing in return. I've got no questions to ask (other than that little tangential one on sun/venus/mars that isn't super important anyway) and I'm not looking for any sort of advice.
I was genuinely feeling the love for pisces and wanted to share that. I believed that pisces rock and I still feel that way. I do have to add, though, that it is a royal pain in the ass to have to go back and confirm that I am, in fact, into them as a group.
And I genuinely don't want a damned thing in return. I've got no questions to ask (other than that little tangential one on sun/venus/mars that isn't super important anyway) and I'm not looking for any sort of advice.
I was genuinely feeling the love for pisces and wanted to share that. I believed that pisces rock and I still feel that way. I do have to add, though, that it is a royal pain in the ass to have to go back and confirm that I am, in fact, into them as a group.
So, does this mean you are in love with another Fish?
Nope. The pisces I had in mind is the same one I've known for the past 14+ months. He's just a fantastic guy and I wanted to send some good karma out into the world by sharing that.
And no... I haven't seen him recently and I didn't have a particularly moving conversation with him or anything that might cause some sort of emotional tidal wave (everything else is equally calm on the non-romantic front). I'm just feeling pretty lucky to have some amazing people in my life.
Nope. The pisces I had in mind is the same one I've known for the past 14+ months. He's just a fantastic guy and I wanted to send some good karma out into the world by sharing that.
And no... I haven't seen him recently and I didn't have a particularly moving conversation with him or anything that might cause some sort of emotional tidal wave (everything else is equally calm on the non-romantic front). I'm just feeling pretty lucky to have some amazing people in my life.
Funny thing .. not that's relative particularly to this situation, rather, just doing my Piscean thing which is looking at the whole forest and how each tree interacts with the other, and how ironic human behaviour really is when viewed paradoxically < don't know if that's a correct tense to use that word.
Just yesterday, a lady was talking on a thread about how her Piscean never hands out compliments to her. She feels like she isn't being adored because of this non-complimentary disposition. Now, as you post this, and my initial reaction to be appalled by a random compliment, simply for the sake of showing adoration .... is quite intriguing.
We as people often respond/react according to our own insecuries, to project this onto another person ... the psychology behind this very condition I started on the Scorpio board to address in detail to get other peoples perspective ...... it would seem apparant that it's not far from the mark to assess that people go about life, living more from the subconscious level than they do from the conscious level.
Just yesterday, a lady was talking on a thread about how her Piscean never hands out compliments to her. She feels like she isn't being adored because of this non-complimentary disposition. Now, as you post this, and my initial reaction to be appalled by a random compliment, simply for the sake of showing adoration .... is quite intriguing.
We as people often respond/react according to our own insecuries, to project this onto another person ... the psychology behind this very condition I started on the Scorpio board to address in detail to get other peoples perspective ...... it would seem apparant that it's not far from the mark to assess that people go about life, living more from the subconscious level than they do from the conscious level.
"everything else is equally calm on the non-romantic front"
I take it .... the Virgo guy and you have called it quits. Just as well, he was very confusing.
I take it .... the Virgo guy and you have called it quits. Just as well, he was very confusing.
Thank you v-lady - it's really nice to hear. And i'm happy for you. I'm not surprised either; many, many pisceans are upstream, all the best qualities of pisces is a beautiful thing. My dad and brother are both pisceans..both are grounded, consistent, sensible and loyal. Pisces is a dual sign, so inconsistencies can turn into consistencies, drifting can turn into groundedness, dreams can turn into realities..and so on and so on..
With the right person, the people ..and belief in yourself. Nothing is cast in stone for any sign. As well, our charts are made up of additional influences. Your will and your attitude is your life..
Pisces Motto: "I BELIEVE"
With the right person, the people ..and belief in yourself. Nothing is cast in stone for any sign. As well, our charts are made up of additional influences. Your will and your attitude is your life..
Pisces Motto: "I BELIEVE"
I take it .... the Virgo guy and you have called it quits. Just as well, he was very confusing.
Yep. Virgo guy was great in all sorts of ways, but he was also a massive mind fuck on so many levels. The strangest thing about it all is that I saw so much of myself in him that it was scary. On the positive side, it gave me a chance to appreciate the good things that I bring to the table in any relationship. On the negative side, I learned just how confusing I can be to other people. The overall growth, though, was more in recognizing that he was more the person I was ten years ago. I've seen (from him and myself) some of the crazy things that an immature virgo can do and I'm pretty happy to know that I've left a lot of it in the past.
On the compliments thing...
I've read about how pisces don't give compliments and I've also found it to be the case in practice. I don't think I can actually remember the last compliment that the pisces I have in mind gave me. I'm sure they've come up somewhere along the line, but it's far from a regular kind of thing. That being said, I also don't ask for compliments from him.
I think it's one of those things where you really have to read between the lines. Is my pisces regularly, consistently there? Check. Do I feel safe and secure talking to him about everything under the sun? Check. Is he protective and considerate of my feelings? Check. I figure if I've got all of that, I really don't need to hear how fabulous I am.
all the best qualities of pisces is a beautiful thing
I agree completely. Go pisces!
Yep. Virgo guy was great in all sorts of ways, but he was also a massive mind fuck on so many levels. The strangest thing about it all is that I saw so much of myself in him that it was scary. On the positive side, it gave me a chance to appreciate the good things that I bring to the table in any relationship. On the negative side, I learned just how confusing I can be to other people. The overall growth, though, was more in recognizing that he was more the person I was ten years ago. I've seen (from him and myself) some of the crazy things that an immature virgo can do and I'm pretty happy to know that I've left a lot of it in the past.
On the compliments thing...
I've read about how pisces don't give compliments and I've also found it to be the case in practice. I don't think I can actually remember the last compliment that the pisces I have in mind gave me. I'm sure they've come up somewhere along the line, but it's far from a regular kind of thing. That being said, I also don't ask for compliments from him.
I think it's one of those things where you really have to read between the lines. Is my pisces regularly, consistently there? Check. Do I feel safe and secure talking to him about everything under the sun? Check. Is he protective and considerate of my feelings? Check. I figure if I've got all of that, I really don't need to hear how fabulous I am.
all the best qualities of pisces is a beautiful thing
I agree completely. Go pisces!
thx, SF..s*
Maybe they just don't compliment me. Ho hum. I'll get over it. 
well pisces is very influenciable, and they usually grow at the image of their parents also, and if they have a good life where they are loved with no conditions they can be an amazing person.
I have a colleague that I only knew was pisces now, and makes sense, but he is something else. He is adored by all women colleagues, he is reponsible, is there for everyone, had the prize for revelation at work, drives them everywhere they want with is amazing car, does extra hours and is awlays there soon, we go travel working and he is the only one capable to pass his own shirts with a rustic iron. My explanation is that he had a good life with everyone loving him with no conditions, supporting him in all what he did or think.
Pisces needs to be believed, if so they will be that amazing, if not believed they will be the worse of the worse for you.
I have a colleague that I only knew was pisces now, and makes sense, but he is something else. He is adored by all women colleagues, he is reponsible, is there for everyone, had the prize for revelation at work, drives them everywhere they want with is amazing car, does extra hours and is awlays there soon, we go travel working and he is the only one capable to pass his own shirts with a rustic iron. My explanation is that he had a good life with everyone loving him with no conditions, supporting him in all what he did or think.
Pisces needs to be believed, if so they will be that amazing, if not believed they will be the worse of the worse for you.
As an example of negative, my father was a Professional Driver, how the hell I am afraid to drive?
For me isnt, I know the reason, I was not supported at all, in everything I did, thats why im a ruff person, im individualist, give help and dont accept any, selfish, and I dont give nothing to beggars.
Father Taurus, Mother Aries, Brother Aries.
Here DXPnet this doesnt happen because ppl usually believe in me or support me, and some at work also do the same. Who doesnt can have a deception, because I will be worse then.
But its all ok I am having one of those moments of rage, in a second I am ok again.
Father Taurus, Mother Aries, Brother Aries.
Here DXPnet this doesnt happen because ppl usually believe in me or support me, and some at work also do the same. Who doesnt can have a deception, because I will be worse then.
But its all ok I am having one of those moments of rage, in a second I am ok again.
yeah its true that pisces have a problem with driving because ppl die in roads and pisces is flawless and they are afraid of killing someone.
So I have no excuse to blame my father, but all could be diffrent with support.
So I have no excuse to blame my father, but all could be diffrent with support.
So for you women out there if you see a pisces man with no afraid to drive grab it, he must have more good qualities for your usual standarts.
Thats right, thats one thing that is yet very male thing, society points fingers to men who dont drive, and usually say women cant or cannot drive.
My love one drives and has no problem, I only have a license because of her, with her help.
My love one drives and has no problem, I only have a license because of her, with her help.
Yeah its cute, but then I hear things like how can I have children with you if you cant drive them to school, its not cute anymore.
nice 
I really feel happy for you, I wish I had that will.
But if I not drive, if I am no strong, if Im not a male has other males, I may not have a family, no feeling of willing to have children, family, a happy life make me drive, even as strong my love is doesnt move me to drive, Im am trying tough.
But if I not drive, if I am no strong, if Im not a male has other males, I may not have a family, no feeling of willing to have children, family, a happy life make me drive, even as strong my love is doesnt move me to drive, Im am trying tough.
I feel you on that, Starfish .. I AM the driver. Always the designator driver .. when we go places, friends/family .. I drive, always. And have been driving since I was around 5 years old (we had a private estate as a child) ... and as soon as my foot could touch the pedal, while peering inbetween the steering wheel and dashboard .. I've been driving.
*Shakes head and giggles*
Perhaps V-Lady is very sincere in her compliments and it is so Piscean to tear the whole compliment apart and speculate. It is a fault of our nature to analyze things to death. I have always been told when someone compliments me ....I don't know how to take it. i.e.
Person: Those are lovely shoes
Me: ooooo these old things, I got a steel at TJ Max for $ 14.99 ....lol
The good response would be
Me: Thank you, they are my favorite shoes too.
V-Lady thank you for the compliment......simply as that .....and to your other question I don't have an answer. Go to Cafe Astrology for better answers.
Pisces ......I think this is a prime example of why we drive people bannans. Gotta love us though!!! *Smiles Big*
PD
Perhaps V-Lady is very sincere in her compliments and it is so Piscean to tear the whole compliment apart and speculate. It is a fault of our nature to analyze things to death. I have always been told when someone compliments me ....I don't know how to take it. i.e.
Person: Those are lovely shoes
Me: ooooo these old things, I got a steel at TJ Max for $ 14.99 ....lol
The good response would be
Me: Thank you, they are my favorite shoes too.
V-Lady thank you for the compliment......simply as that .....and to your other question I don't have an answer. Go to Cafe Astrology for better answers.
Pisces ......I think this is a prime example of why we drive people bannans. Gotta love us though!!! *Smiles Big*
PD
"Pisces ......I think this is a prime example of why we drive people bannans."
No doubt .. suspicous by nature to compliments, and I'm sure it drives people crazy. Drives my Virgo husband crazy, definitely.
I'll mess up at poker and make a bad call .. he'll say something like, "You got really far though. You made the final table, and that's because you are good, Angie. You did really good."
And I cringe, to retort, "No, I fucked up, so don't tell me I did good, I don't want to hear it. I lost!"
lol .. we are a sorry lot in this respect .. and only like encouragement if it's aimed in the right direction.
Don't worry about me ticking v-lady off, M'Lady .. she knows I can be an ass and immediately jump to the antagonistic side to find out intentions.
No doubt .. suspicous by nature to compliments, and I'm sure it drives people crazy. Drives my Virgo husband crazy, definitely.
I'll mess up at poker and make a bad call .. he'll say something like, "You got really far though. You made the final table, and that's because you are good, Angie. You did really good."
And I cringe, to retort, "No, I fucked up, so don't tell me I did good, I don't want to hear it. I lost!"
lol .. we are a sorry lot in this respect .. and only like encouragement if it's aimed in the right direction.
Don't worry about me ticking v-lady off, M'Lady .. she knows I can be an ass and immediately jump to the antagonistic side to find out intentions.
It was just an observation about how Pisces don't genrally take compliments well. When I dated ex-Pisces I noticed this about him as well. I would tell him "you are so smart: ....he would respond "I am just average". I am wondering if it is part of our own insecurities. I do agree there is a difference between a fish swimming upstream and downstream. BTW - Does not matter what age we do this back and forth thing. I think that is why we strive to find that ultimate love to help us feel secure and safe so we can flow upstream more often than not. I don't know about you other Pisces but when I am down, I am down, When I am up, I am really up.
My theory it is our purpose in life to feel the most ultimate love within ourselves in order to feel actualized. I have always said "Pisces is in love with being in love".....It is true ....but when they find that ultimate love within themselves they thrive (Upstream so to speak).
It is strange when I am in relationships I have noticed that is when the "I am not good enough comes into play". When I am single and thriving ....I do much better. Could this be the reason Pisces do horrible. You never here people on the boards say "I gotta get me a Pisces". Most of the time it is ......I had a relationship with a Pisces and it was like hitting my head on the brick wall. *Sigh*
I dunno ....what do you other fishies think???
^^^
Looks up ....see my Piscean nature has kicked in .....analyze everything to the hilt. LOL
PD
My theory it is our purpose in life to feel the most ultimate love within ourselves in order to feel actualized. I have always said "Pisces is in love with being in love".....It is true ....but when they find that ultimate love within themselves they thrive (Upstream so to speak).
It is strange when I am in relationships I have noticed that is when the "I am not good enough comes into play". When I am single and thriving ....I do much better. Could this be the reason Pisces do horrible. You never here people on the boards say "I gotta get me a Pisces". Most of the time it is ......I had a relationship with a Pisces and it was like hitting my head on the brick wall. *Sigh*
I dunno ....what do you other fishies think???
^^^
Looks up ....see my Piscean nature has kicked in .....analyze everything to the hilt. LOL
PD
My theory it is our purpose in life to feel the most ultimate love within ourselves in order to feel actualized. I have always said "Pisces is in love with being in love".....It is true ....but when they find that ultimate love within themselves they thrive (Upstream so to speak).
It is strange when I am in relationships I have noticed that is when the "I am not good enough comes into play". When I am single and thriving ....I do much better.
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I can relate to that in my life .. I think it's the whole living within the environment problem.
There is vision, or dream, of being in love, and this love that we can manifest inside of us brings us to the ultimate love we need to thrive .. however, once we find a partner, it's not possible for them to live within this fantasy .. yet, since we live within our environment by nature, we flounder with this self-love because our partners cannot give us something that is idealistic = pedalling down stream.
Once awareness finally comes to us that we are dying inside because of this lack of love in which we envisioned we need to feel complete .. we swim away, in search .. during our journey we are able to recapture, or edit our idealistic vision of love = swimming upstream.
So, ultimately .. we are swimming upstream when single, and down stream when in a committed partnership .. because it isn't possible for another person to actualize what is in the fantasy in our head.
It is strange when I am in relationships I have noticed that is when the "I am not good enough comes into play". When I am single and thriving ....I do much better.
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I can relate to that in my life .. I think it's the whole living within the environment problem.
There is vision, or dream, of being in love, and this love that we can manifest inside of us brings us to the ultimate love we need to thrive .. however, once we find a partner, it's not possible for them to live within this fantasy .. yet, since we live within our environment by nature, we flounder with this self-love because our partners cannot give us something that is idealistic = pedalling down stream.
Once awareness finally comes to us that we are dying inside because of this lack of love in which we envisioned we need to feel complete .. we swim away, in search .. during our journey we are able to recapture, or edit our idealistic vision of love = swimming upstream.
So, ultimately .. we are swimming upstream when single, and down stream when in a committed partnership .. because it isn't possible for another person to actualize what is in the fantasy in our head.
Or ....."Our Vision of love" is so far fetched ....how can anyone live up to the expectation .....leaving only room for disappointment. *Sigh* Now I am depressed. 
PD
PD
"When ppl compliment me I just believe they know what they are talking about..LOL!!!"
To be honest, i don't mind compliments at all, either..LOL! (uhhm mars in leo)
..i don't like to dissect either, enough negatives in the world, so yeah, it's always refreshing and much appreciated for me too..
To be honest, i don't mind compliments at all, either..LOL! (uhhm mars in leo)
..i don't like to dissect either, enough negatives in the world, so yeah, it's always refreshing and much appreciated for me too.."i don't mind compliments at all" The issue is that we mind compliments ....the issue is most Pisces don't know how to receive them.
"..i don't like to dissect either, enough negatives in the world" Just because one dissects scenarios does not mean it is full with negative contradiction. Dissecting something means to analyze something whether good or bad.
PD
"..i don't like to dissect either, enough negatives in the world" Just because one dissects scenarios does not mean it is full with negative contradiction. Dissecting something means to analyze something whether good or bad.
PD
"Dissecting something means to analyze something whether good or bad."
True enough, but i prefer to take a compliment graciously and am appreciative, that's just me ...my only point.
"....the issue is most Pisces don't know how to receive them."
i have to disagree wholeheartedly, the pisces i know love compliments, as i do. There really is no issue in my eyes.
(It's actually scorpio's that find it hard to recieve or believe in compliments.)
True enough, but i prefer to take a compliment graciously and am appreciative, that's just me ...my only point.
"....the issue is most Pisces don't know how to receive them."
i have to disagree wholeheartedly, the pisces i know love compliments, as i do. There really is no issue in my eyes.
(It's actually scorpio's that find it hard to recieve or believe in compliments.)
that virgo and pisces is the most interesting combo i think
For what it's worth, SD - what I had to say about the fabulousness of the pisces a year ago still holds true today. The person that prompted this post way back when was and remains one of the most wonderful people I've ever known. Go pisces!!
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