pisces diagnosed with no emotion

K so this chick I know has been diagnosed with alexathemia and depersonalization disorder which means she cznt identify with what she feels and treats her feelings with an intellectual explanation. Extremely logical, doesn't make sense?? Like she has no soul! Pisces sun and moon by the way.

The more I've gotten to know her I've noticed that she doesn't really seem to care about anything or anyone on a deeper level including herself. Does this have anything to do with astrology or is it just a physical problem?

run for your muthafucking life....

That's what I was thinking, it probably has more to do with her well being than her natal chart right? She does have aquarius mars though would that do it?

K cool thanks

Has she always been that way...?

I saw something like this...where this girl, has been through so much growing up, that she shut off her emotions for a long time. She stopped caring. Stopped feeling. Some kind of defence mechanism that she can't come out of?

Oooh, this also reminds me of a house episode, was it season 7 or 6— But yeah,this woman exposed to a certain chemical over a long period of time, that weakened the part of the brain that has to do with emotion. Dr. House thought she was merely a psychopath, because she felt nothing, she had no ability to connect with people or empathy, she could not feel. But she hadn't been that way all her life.

So look into it, it sounds exciting! Don't run, solve the problem!! Lol u might be surprised no?

I'm a Pisces and I am diagnosed with NPD narcissistic personality.

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Posted by unconquered
I'm a Pisces and I am diagnosed with NPD narcissistic personality.

I don't think a narcissist would even say this and furthermore, the VAST majority of narcissist don't get diagnosed because of how that disorder actually works. I don't buy it 😛

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lol, Oh nah~ Narcissist would love to brag that they have it as far as my research undergo LOL. Well, if I don't have it then better, at least that will make me less inhumane 😛

I have to agree with the others, Narc's do not willingly get diagnosed, "you're the problem not me" is pretty much a Narc's anthem so getting diagnosed is rare, only a skilled psychologist can rumble with a Narc, Narc's are chameleons, very convincing and persuasive, he or she will walk out of that room with a healthy bill of health no way they'll let themselves be called anything that makes them appear flawed.

"Now that it's been touched on that subject....how convincing are the narcs?!
Frankly...I believe, as matter a fact, I know, I'm asking this question out of my own personal interest/injury that is still remaining open-questioned ! How DOES one recognize "full-flagged" narc? Is one dumb if you don't see it coming your way within short period of time or what?...."

I can't sum this up in a few paragraphs, way too extensive to explain but what I can say...

Narc's are very convincing and if he's attractive, financially well off, artistic, basically if he has a lot of PROPS the more convincing he can be, if a woman has never encountered a Narcissistic she'll fall quickly because they pursue there targets as if he has 100 armies behind him and that's why so many are CONVINCED this person loves me, I've heard women whom never been exposed to Narcissistic personalities as being Narc'd, Narc's count on his or her potential mark not being well versed in Narcissism/personality disorders and that's why so many women and men fall for these kind of people because in the beginning everything is perfect.

A Narc can be exposed, it takes patience and a willingness to look past the charm and all of his PROPS like the money, the good looks, the artistic side he so displays as a trophy, just like sociopaths they stare intensely, this stare has a paralyzing effect, the charm has a paralyzing effect, the fake charm is a huge indicator something is wrong, mirroring makes the potential victim feel as if he/she has met his/her soulmate when in reality the person is mirroring as a way to easily gain CONTROL over the person to get past that persons natural defense mechanism, another narc weapon is putting his prey on a pedestal, being super attentive, defenses come down quickly because she's met her soulmate she's sure of it, the prey is spilling her whole life to her dream man and the Narc is tallying it all up to use later when it's time for him to devalue and discard his victim, the spotlight is on the prey during every interaction, she feels overwhelmed and powerless by all of the attention she feels it's love but really it's not love it's manipulation, the feeling is unexplainable to be treated as a muse, as if she's living in a dream and the reality is..it is a dream, it's fake and that's the hardest part to get over, that it's all fake, that he faked loving her, some women have to literally be deprogrammed.

Narcissist want something, they want what we call the 3 A's, adoration, admiration, adulation, everything they want has nothing to do with love and more to do with using her as an object to prop up himself up, to prop up his sense of entitlement, to prop up his ego, to prop up his image, to be used as an object he can feel ABOVE everyone else because he's unique, he's not like everyone else (least in his mind) and when he's done she's discarded like an object, once he feel he's gotten everything out of it he's going to get, he drops her flat no reason, no explanation, she's ostracized and kicked out of the kingdom and it's very painful and very hard to get over.

Some people don't have full blown NPD, some have bipolar with NPD traits, there are Malignant Narcissist, Covert Narcissist with anti-social features, basically there are so many disorders that go along with NPD, per my own understanding a Narc doesn't have to have full blown NPD to do emotional psychological damage to another person, having 1 or 2 traits is potentially dangerous in a relationship, all it takes is a couple of traits to do damage another human being, some women feel well he has only 1 or 2 or 3 traits so he can't Narcissistic, having ONE trait is enough, it's enough to harm another person especially if that person isn't knowledgeable enough as to be able to protect one self from the damage.

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Posted by ElusiveSoul
What is their thought proses?? Do they have any consciousness?! Do their lives consist solely out of "game playing" ?! etc etc

I'm no psychologist but a narcissist is a far cry from a sociopath. From what I understand, narcissism is a defense mechanism that develops as a result of abuse. More than likely mental and/or emotional abuse if I had to guess. Narcissism really is nothing more than a highly exaggerating ego and that exaggeration is the defense mechanism to protect one's self of self worth and esteem. As for the second part of your question, a great deal of it would be game playing because narcissism by nature is self-centeredness. Meaning that the person is going to do what they can to make sure they always have a favorable position and are always looking to gain. You couple that with the inability to see one's own flaws and faults, or the inability to accept responsibility and you have an atypical narcissist. I'm no expert but I think that about breaks it down.

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I think sizzurp explained it better than I did, i get too damn wordy sometimes.

Elusive it is very perplexing and remember that thing called dopamine and/or(bonding chemicals that effect the brain during the relationship) well it sticks with you for months sometimes years if you don't allow yourself to get over it mentally, you have to be determined to understand what happened and avoid those behaviors that got you there in the first place, in your brain your pleasure center has been over stimulated and although the relationship is over 99% of the time women still ruminate, go back and forth between if it was real or wasn't real, wondering why you b/c you won't get closure and the urge to analyze to get closure persist way after the connection has been severed, what you feel is a common feeling that women have after coming in contact with a person who may have a personality disorder.

"As I stated in the post back in Nov. I felt I was being psychoanalysed left and right. It's hard to judge who is who, when one has no chance to meet the other face to face, and when most of the interaction is dependent on txting or just phone conversations (if you're lucky) !!!"

And remember, as sizzurp pointed out it's about winning, having the upper hand ALWAYS IN EVERY WAY so a lot of your interactions is about him winning over you, LOVE DOESN'T HURT, if you want to know if you encountered a Narc/Sociopath the quickest way is to connect with HOW YOU FEEL, if you just met him and you can't get him out of your head is a clear sign he's jacking with your emotions, your ANXIETY levels are higher than usual which can be mistaken as love, if you walk away with that sickening feeling of being somehow degraded or even disrespected RUN don't walk away and don't go back, minimize communication and he'll most likely move on.

A lot of times women are put down for using her emotions but our emotions actually help us gauge what we can't see, if you sharpen those gut instincts you'll be able to know the difference between someone ooozing charm and using that charm AGAINST YOU to get your defenses down so you'll open up versus a real compliment, there is a difference between a real compliment, real attention giving and fake compliments and fake attention, so many women with damaged self esteem and/or just vulnerable possibly due to changes in her life fall into the hands of an emotional/mental sometimes physical predator.

As for text messaging and online interactions...REMEMBER this is a very convenient way of meeting and discarding women so be careful about bonding with a man online, have fun be CAREFUL, don't be super available until you know it's real and it's real when you both meet and develop a real relationship that's developing OUTSIDE of using objects like phones and computers, so many women want to escape her daily blah life routine that she fail to realize that's HOW HE GOT IN in the first place, they are like good fisherman, they throw that line and reel in so many women a day and discarding you is like discarding food or garbage, it's nothing to drop women. Something I tell women after she's come into contact with a Narc is to go back to the scene of the crime and analyze were she was at in her life before her Narc came into her life, in your case I don't know if he's a Narc or just some random guy that you met and he grew tired and moved on, he may have never been serious about you if he was only text messaging and calling.

".would a narc RUN if they are being CONFRONTED with/by their "mind games", knowing that their "source" has not suffered any lack of self esteem, and just maybe stronger for the experience ?! "

He wouldn't run but he continued to devalue you and discard you if you let him, confrontation rarely works with a Narcissist, LOSING WORKS, losing his props, the job, the car, the money, his looks, that HURTS a Narc but not in the way you and I hurt, it hurts because he's LOST something that was important to him, losing a woman is rarely a loss unless she's the one footing the bill for his life style but for the most part he KNOW ALREADY that at some point the JIG IS UP, he has to get out of there before you throw his flaws in his face so he'll AVOID, he'll do whatever it takes to keep you in a position of blaming yourself for the break up rather than taking ownership of the break up...Why? Because there is nothing wrong with him, everyone is flawed and responsible for the downfall of the relationship with him and that's why they can move so easily as if you never matter b/c it's ALL YOUR FAULT, too bad you had that stupid flaw or we could have worked it out.

He doesn't care about how strong you are, he just doesn't care, he never cared and that's the hardest part about relationships with Narc's and Sociopaths, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, confronting him will not hurt him, it'll just put the nail in the coffin that you're the crazy one.

OBJECTS....They objectify, women are objects and so using computers and phones is a great convenient way to meet, dupe and discard women so it's important that you don't give too much access to men online, have fun but WARY of developing real connections with a man until you've actually met him in person, I tell women to set minimums, for example minimum 2 text per day, no more than that, no revealing sensitive information about your past like abuse, finances, revealing talks about your kids etc, the reason why is Narc's are looking for someone they can RUN ALL OVER and women with no boundaries typically are easier to convince and easier to use, run over and discard.

After he's discarded a person NOTHING ABOUT YOU BEING STRONGER MATTERS, he doesn't care what's going on with you, he doesn't care if you know he's a Narc, he's moved on and if her ever comes back it's b/c he know you'll let back in and he'll discard you again and again if you let him.

They don't run, they just know when the game is up but they do come back to OLD TERRITORY. Why? Because it's easier, the path of least resistance, he doesn't have to convince you he's great anymore, you've been groomed and thus it's just easier to get back in with old flames that still look up to him, need him, want him around, no resistance meaning no narcissistic injury to his ego, no heavy fighting and he gets to continue on like he's important, but he's not, he's a loser but he realizes you don't know that yet so he keeps coming back until you DO KNOW IT and it sounds like you FIGURED out he was a loser and now he's avoiding you, they do that really well, avoid avoid avoid as if you never existed, he has to blot you out as if you never existed b/c he's not crazy, he's FLAWLESS and since you found a flaw you don't exist to him anymore, it's his way of avoiding accountability for his behavior, he's perfect, the reason it didn't work is because of YOU not him and that's one of the ways he remains disconnected.

Sorry for the long rant but this stuff gets complex, there is no real short answer least not for me it is but I hope that gave you some clarity, the more you take the initiative to learn and KNOW about these kind of men the better prepared you'll be if and when you cross paths with another Narc, hopefully you never have to engage too long with a person that has a personality disorder, total mindfuck.

Wow interesting topic but TL;DR to the max. Based on the Pisces sun and moon, I would speculate, with good confidence, that she couldn't be further from narcissistic. I would guess she's been stabbed in the back way too many times, has problems trusting people (arguably for understandable reasons), and if someone showed her genuine love she would slowly open up and develop a deep love and respect for that person. The key is taking things slowly, not playing mind games or being disingenuous, and truly trying to understand her perspective. You have an opportunity to radically change someone's life and make them happy. Be the change that you want to see in the world.

"It is mind blowing how someone with this disorder can appear to be fully functional, even mentally stable yet deep down is a complete different picture.
I also wonder, varying on the degree of "difficulty"/severity of the issue, are narc's aware of their narcissistic behaviour, meaning do they recognize that their is something off or are they in complete delusion and it's always every one else's fault?!"

Yes it's mind blowing and it's very perplexing because the heart is involved and there is a period of self blame, projecting blame on oneself, easily confusing the 2 as in was it me or was it him kind of rationalizing, as you mature, learn and understand you'll be able to see whose creating the conflict, typically it's the target that is being coerced, manipulated, controlled in ways to make her REACT so the Narc can say to himself see she's the crazy one, she's crazy, it's his way of deflecting his own feelings of low self worth from himself to others, a lot of projecting goes on between the 2 people involved, once the target gets into the driver seat no longer allowing herself to be controlled and begins to take back a certain level of power and control by becoming the observer role instead of being in the reactor roll, reacting like a puppet whose strings are being pulled by the puppeteer well a lot of the behavior stops, once he see one thing doesn't work typically he'll begin to seek out other ways to control his target and if he can't do that then he'll move on to an easier mark.

What makes it so hard to out a Narc is his persona, a perfect persona that's been tweaked, molded and defined at every angle through out his entire life so he makes it appear REAL, it feels natural b/c he's had so much practice at perfecting his persona and if he's attractive, has an arsenal of props like nice comfy life style , artistic, financially well off etc well it's even harder to weed a Narc out b/c women like power, they like the idea of being financially comfortable and he'll parade it around like a badge and will flash it every chance he can b/c these kind of men are what society says are good providers so what happens is he BECOMES that, he becomes what every woman wants so a woman will OVER LOOK the RED FLAGS and take him on anyway, the key is teaching oneself not to over look potential problems that could come up later on when she's heavily invested, he shouldn't get a PASS b/c he's charming, financially stable and attractive, he should not get preferent

he shouldn't get a PASS b/c he's charming, financially stable and attractive, he should not get preferential treatment but so many do and it makes it easier for him to manipulate, emotionally con his target.

Narc's are delusional, in deep denial and refuse to take any sort of accountability nor responsibility for how they treat people, they can even SEE the after effects and still deny accountability for effecting you negatively but due to his/her deep sense of entitlement he won't care, it's all about HIM HIM HIM ME ME ME, if you get hurt while he's attempting to get his Narcissistic fix *shrugs* oh well, typically they deflect any flaws he has about himself onto you, if he feel he's sloppy and lazy well he'll project that thought and feeling back onto you by nit picking how you dress, how clean you keep your house, basically he'll make you feel terrible for being a sloppy lazy person when in reality it's him that he's talking about, talk about mindfuck and that's just a simplified example, it gets deeper than that. It is ALWAYS everyone else's fault, rarely do they apologize, if he apologizes it's because it's BENEFITING HIM in some way, there is a pay off for him apologizing, what that pay is well only he knows. It's always somebody else's fault mainly YOUR FAULT why it didn't work out, you just weren't good enough, that's the lie he tells himself so he can move on.

You're not going to always be able to know right away, the Dr.Jekyll Mr.Hyde may never come out but every so often in front of you but whatever you do don't dismiss it, don't call it having a bad day, hold him accountable and once you do know for sure get out, move on, don't stay especially if you have no ties together like children, marriage which is a whole notha ball game in and of itself, total nightmare.

"I also wonder at times, does now days society encourages such disorder to thrive more then what it was in the past or are we just becoming more aware if it and the % of narcs back in the past was as present as it is today? I just seems to me once I started doing some research on that subject, how many people are actually being affected by narcs and it's truly sickening to hear all those stories of abuse ! Thanx lord my story lasted only six months in comparison to some others who suffered decades of abuse !'

I wish I knew, I can honestly say I haven't met so many Narcs or just plain ole selfish people in my entire life, I think the war mentality is being fed on a daily basis, shows that have that war mentality, storage wars, swamp wars, war, war, war, feeds into Narcissism and even encourages people to be selfish and it's out of control, you have shows like the bachelor who encourage, promote war, FIGHT for a man, be strategic, out think all the other women which inevitably encourages desperation among millions of women for one man so it sends out this message that men are the commodity and women are desperately doing anything to have that one man and all her dreams will come true, IT'S ALL BULLSHIT but a lot of men and women are buying this crap and it's not just television but it's in EVERYTHING, everywhere you go men are being bombarded with bullshit messages, so are women as well, we're told lies on top of lies about men/love/relationships/how we should look and what to buy and we wonder why our relationships aren't working.

Keep in mind too that a lot of mental institutions are CLOSED, were are these men and women going, they are infiltrating mainstream, interrupting our lives on a daily bases, conning, pretending to be normal and disrupting lives.

Keep in mind there used to be no such thing as online dating, meeting people online eg computers, people met in person or didn't meet at all so the exposure was minimal but now that the net has opened up endless opportunities to meet people in different state, countries, cities the possibilities of meeting a pathologically disordered person is endless, the internet is a breeding ground for sociopaths, narcs, personality disordered people, gives them a great opportunity to HIDE ALL THAT CRAZY. Narcissist and Sociopaths could not stay in one city too long, sometimes they would be exposed and ran out of town and for the most part women can bet on not meeting one after another of this disordered men.

Prison system....Men are out and they are preying on vulnerable women, using love to control women, using head games to control women, using PUA tactics.

So many factors go into why so many men/women are narcissistic socipathic anti-social counter dependent commitmentphobic nuts and yes you were one of the lucky ones to have endured it for 6 months, some women have endured it for years, it's a wonder these women are not bat shit crazy after enduring so much emotional-psychological-physical neglect.

Posted by tiki33
run for your muthafucking life....

I concur! This sounds like a form of sociopathy.

I have depersonalization and am a pisces, but I don't think it has to do with astrology.
As far as I know, you can get dp from smoking weed, trauma, and an inbalance in brain chemicals. While some signs, like pisces, are more likely to have addictions, which may mean more are likely to use marijuana, that doesn't make much of a difference. I don't see any correlation to astrology.