Thinking out loud

I got to thinking today....I'm not asking Pisces to come back to me. But I WOULD like it if he would say Hello to me next time he comes home to visit. Or come see my new apartment and see all the blood, sweat, and hard work that went into re-doing it. Life is just too short to remain distant from someone...especially if it's someone you once cared about and there was no really bad actions such as cheating or abuse.

But do you really want this Pisces as a friend?

Serious question. Cuz in all fairness, Pisces don't generally work like other people with their "friends".. Let's see if I can explain this. *deep breath*

Generally speaking: Pisces are friendly, mostly to everyone. We have a lot of acquaintances, but very few real FRIENDS. And probably the biggest reason is that our friendships seem very.. uhh.. casual, loose, light, not intense - at least to an outside observer. We don't have to talk to even our BEST friend every day, we don't even notice when DAYS or WEEKS go by without contact with our "friends" .. but a lot of them notice, hooboy. So while WE are fine with the incognito no communication.. some of THEM start freaking out. Others require more interaction to maintain friendship than the average Pisces does... and it pisses people off. Big time. We "lose" friendships all the time.. and as rude as this will sound.. we don't care, not really - cuz they've just cut themselves out instead of us having to do it. And the few that understand (or at least graciously accept) this about us, and don't harp on us for not calling or stopping by or hanging out, and DO just join us in picking up where we left off, like nothing happened (cuz in our mind, nothing did happen!).. those are the few who elevate to FRIENDS, instead of close acquaintances.

The average Pisces (barring a lot of Aqua placements) just doesn't DO friendship like most people do. We're sort of distant and even self-contained, and rarely initiate contact with even our BEST friends. The ONLY person in a Pisces' life who gets the pretty much every single day, constant contact.. is our beloved. So.. if you are NOT our "beloved".. you will likely feel very disappointed and resentful of how "little" you seem to "mean" to us as our "friend."

I'd take a bullet for my Sag BFF or Virgo BFF (23 and 31 year friendships, respectively).. but I have not talked to either of them in at least 2 months. We aren't fighting, no one's mad.. we just have our lives and we're living them.. but when I reach out, or when one calls me.. they NEVER make me feel bad or guilty or throw it in my face that we haven't talked in so long. We just pick up where we left off, get caught up, bask in each other for awhile.. lather, rinse, repeat. They KNOW this about me, they ACCEPT this about me.. and they LOVE me anyway.. and I would kill a motherfucker or hide a body and tell the cops she was with me ALL weekend, either of them.

My RL Pisces friend lives six miles away. We see each other once a month or so. Talk very, very rarely.. but we GET each other.. it's not a problem for either of us to just.. again.. pick up where we left off. No one needs to feel bad for not talking to the other.. we're both cool with that.

Right now, on my phone, I have texts from my kids, my boss.. and my Libra beloved. I have to scroll back almost 3 weeks to find any other texts.. like the ones from my sister awhile back. Phone calls?! HAHAHA.. good luck getting me to answer the phone, if you're not one of the above-mentioned! (And I NEVER listen to VMs.. I let them expire on their own, unheard.)

Doesn't mean I don't care about you, doesn't mean I don't consider you my friend.. just means I don't need (or want) as much close contact with my friends as YOU might want. And 9 out of 10 (or maybe more like 98 out of 100, going over the numbers!) are NOT going to be happy with this for long, and will blow a gasket, tearing into us for not being a "real friend" and not "caring enough".. and they will rant and rave (or some will just disappear *shrug*).. and we'll look at you with our blinking, dreamy Fish eyes - or sit in silence on the phone while we let you spend yourself of your rage.. We may try to explain ourselves, that this is how we just ARE, why are you so pissed that we don't do things the same as you??.. but eventually, too many times of this, we will sit and think, "They don't get it. They just don't get it and never will. I can't do friendship the way they want. Better off letting go.".. and then... we'll let go. *swish* *swish* And you will likely be PISSED, feel we "OWED you better" for all the months or years of friendship, and for you doing X and Y.. but Fish don't think that way.. friendship is freely given, no strings, no tally sheets. You owe us nothing, we owe you nothing. It is what it is. It was, and now it's not.

*shrug*
^^ That's the famous Piscean shrug. We do that a lot, Pisces. The Pisces I've known.. it's a one shoulder shrug and a little twist to the mouth.. drives people BANANAS!

Posted by Nefer


*shrug*

and a little twist to the mouth.. drives people BANANAS!

I've seen this... many times. And yes on the bananas

Life is just too short to remain distant from someone.

Is that an excuse to keep the drama in your life? Listen to what Nefer said, she explained things perfectly.

Lol @ never listening to voicemails I thought it was just me who did that. 😛

Spot on as always Nefer.

Posted by Nefer
But do you really want this Pisces as a friend?

I was going to suggest the same thing - but got too lazy to respond.
TGFN (thank goodness for Nefer - I'm having bracelets made 🙂 ) my thought twin 🙂 It's that pisces/taurus mix we share I think.

Nefer on point again.

I have noticed this more and more in my own life over the past few years.
I can make friends really easily once you accept me and my ways, the fact that I feel what you want before you do yourself makes me an excellent friend. Sadly for you I don't value friendship the way most people do.
It's something ethereal out there, nothing you can grab with your bare hands or try to understand.
Once you get into that true friend zone -barely anyone ever does- you'll be lodged in there for the ages.
I will do everything and anything for you without having to ask or beg even.
I do expect you to do the same thing for me or at the very least offer me something I cannot provide for myself.

Funny how I have slots in my life that are open for people to fill up.
Only 1 person will get to throw me against the wall and yell their opinion at me about shit I do.
One will be my beloved and they get me in all my glory and shortcomings.
One is for wisdom at any and all hours of the day
I spread my love and attention over all my true friends, they realize this or wouldn't have gotten this far.

Most people don't get it. When we're friends I'm always there for you, but that doesn't mean I'll keep in contact like others do. You don't have to expect me to ring you up every day and talk about my day, no that's what my love is for. I do my own thing and you do yours, without trying to blackmail me into more social contact. Never try to blame me for not being more active in your life.. We both have our own and I'm there if you want me to be. I pick up after 3 or 4 months absence like I just saw your yesterday and nothing ever changed time-wise. If you do not understand this ability and crawl up the walls for it, we cannot ever be true friends. It's a natural selection process but well worth it if you can live with this arrangement.

Yes some 'friend' people will leave us sooner or later, but we don't really care. It's the natural course of life, you love & leave people *shrug*
There's always more people to get to know and I'm doing it right now as I write this.
My chart is perfect for being a warm attractive personality, but it's only the top layer.
I always hope that special people will find a way to stay in my life, but I won't force you if you don't want to. I do hope with a fiery passion most of the time.
Especially since I do my own selection process.

I just ran into Pisces today as I was walking over to the beach. Apparently he is back home visiting for a few days. He was sooooo nasty to me. He gave me the nastiest look. Once again, I told him that is not necessary because I have accepted that things ended between us and I am not bitter about it. Everything happens for a reason, and since he once told me that he would rather travel around and sleep with a bunch of random women than have a steady girlfriend, I took his word for it and accepted that I am better off not trying to be in a relationship with him. But we had several months of fun and good memories, and neither of us mistreated the other, so I see no reason for me to hold a grudge against him for it. But apparently he DOES. I am able to treat him the same way I would anyone else I know, and I have told him more than once that I will never try to make him come back to me and that I am not angry that we split up. You'd think he would be glad to hear that, but he's STILL nasty to me!! Why the Hell has he been giving me all those lectures about "chilling out and going with the flow" if he's just going to continue to be nasty to me for doing exactly what he keeps advising me to do— If I were devastated and pleading with him to give us another chance, he would hate me for it. But I am content that we are not together anymore and hold no bad feelings towards him, and yet he hates me for that too!! He actually insulted me today and told me "I don't want to talk to you." Well that's just fine by me, buddy!! Go ahead and be pissy and pretend you don't know me over nothing!! The reason I can still speak to him is because I'm not upset over anything and I view him the same way I do everyone else I know. That's why I have several ex-boyfriends that I still talk with, because we're not angry at each other and we're able to treat each other just like we would anyone else. Pisces boy is obviously still hung up over something if he is still carrying this animosity towards me even after I have shown him that I am not sad or bitter about us breaking up. Otherwise he would be cool about it, too.

I can be friends with an ex romantic interest.. but not right away, never that soon. I need some time to switch gears, to let things flow and smooth out. Can't immediately do "just friends" with anyone I still have any kind of romantic feelings for.. and I ESPECIALLY can't do it with someone I believe feels more for me than I do for them. Gotta let it die down, give them time to move on more.. cuz I really HATE hurting people, even if I SEEM like a cold, hard bitch.

But, if you still insist you want friendship right away, and I acquiesce.. you'll ONLY get the Basic Pisces Friend Treatment ANYWAY.. and that's weeks or months of no contact.. then perhaps a text or a short email.. or maybe I'll be in the right mood or frame of mind to (finally) answer one of your calls (surprising you) and chat for a bit.. then it's back to little/rare contact... like every one of my other friends (really more like acquaintances - but FRIENDS still don't get much more contact!)... Join the ranks, until you elevate... or ring out. *shrug*

And if you suddenly pop up before I'm ready to engage with you again.. I'll probably ignore you (digital/voice communication).. or be a little annoyed and snarky (face to face).. and yes, I'll probably tell you straight out that I don't want to talk to you, cuz I'm not ready for all that yet. I don't beat around the bush or pretend I'm happy/excited/cool with seeing you, when I'm actually not. If I don't seem happy to see you, I'M NOT, I wasn't ready yet! Ring the bell if you want out, here's the stick.


Seriously, people.. why would any non-Fish want to be FRIENDS with a Pisces?! It's torture. It's hell. It's NOT like the rest of your friendships. We will drive you batshit crazy, make you want to tear your hair out and punch us in our mouth. If you ever actually SAW us, that is. You can't even get us to answer a freakin' text or a call!!

Oh yeah, I remember.. cuz once you're in.. there's nothing we wouldn't do for you, loyal to our dying breath. Give our last dollar for you, kill for you, die for you. Pisces are AMAZING friends.. we just aren't normal in the ways that we maintain/conduct/cultivate/grow those friendships. Let it flow.. as we slowwwwwwwwly let you in deeper.. and find a friendship NO ONE can tear apart.. except me or you. Think about that, cuz that's a very deep thought.. NO ONE can tear us asunder.. but me or you. That's special.

Well Nefer, this particular Pisces seems to be really close with his friends. He's ALWAYS with them except for the moments when he is alone in his man-cave. And yes you're right, he is very loyal and good to them. They have told me so. So if we were just friends, I imagine it would be a lot like it is with the others.

You mentioned that a Pisces can't immediately be friends with someone if he still has any romantic feelings for them. See that's where I'm confused because I was pretty sure he DIDN'T have any romantic feelings for me anymore. That's why I thought it would be easy for him to dial back and treat me like a friend. I have pretty much cut off most of my romantic feelings for him by doing anything I can to facilitate it...like going out with other men and reminding myself of his negative qualities. Plus I have not ever asked him to come back to me. This is why I don't understand why he is so angry at me. He told me he didn't like me romantically anymore, so I figured "OK then, that should make it easier for us to treat each other like normal friends." Obviously he still has an issue with SOMETHING, or else there would be no reason for this anger.

Absolutely, Nem.. I don't know that I'd want to be friends with myself, either. Yes, I'm loyal, yes I love my nearest and dearest.. But I'm ALSO plenty selfish, plenty disrespectful, plenty hurtful .. esp when I'm getting/giving myself what *I* want/need. :c

And I don't know what else to tell you, Mermaid. He's clearly not ready to be friends/friendly with you, and I couldn't even begin to hazard a guess as to his reasons for this. Only he knows.

But, as always, the ball is in your court. Tough it out, or ring the bell. Your choice.

^^ That was deep and poignant, and I felt every word flutter in my chest as I read it.

I also will not burden others with my problems. But when I'm wrestling my own dragons and demons.. I don't have much left to give. And what little I DO have, I cannot spend it on acquaintances.. it's reserved for my nearest and dearest.. my kids, my beloved.. the last sliver of energy left is to maintain my job, to keep my/our life going meanwhile... cuz some dragons and demons die hard. It can take awhile.

I'll get back to you when I have more to give, when I will not burden you with my own troubles. Yes, my curse and my strength.. and my gift to you.. such a backwards, lumpy, ill-wrapped gift though... to give you more, I give you less. No wonder I drive you crazy, and I cannot blame you for deciding it's not WORTH it to be on the fringes of my life, to jump through hoops to elevate to friend status.. only to continue to receive (fewer, but still) lumpy gifts from me. I too am sorry, so sorry, I try to do better, but always revert back to my base nature.. and I will understand if you simply can't do this with me anymore, and will wish you all the best as you exit my life.

Pisces are the best.. and the worst.. of friends. You cannot possibly WANT to sign up for this insanity? :/

Pisces talked with me last night. I ran into him AGAIN last night and by that point I was just so irritated and over my limit that I said something really mean & hurtful to him. He must know me well enough to know that I said that out of anger & pain, because he texted me at 3 in the morning and asked "What is bothering you?" He asked me lots of questions until about 4 in the morning, and I took this chance to let it all out and tell him everything that had been bothering me for the past two months...mainly how insecure I felt over him ditching me to chase horny college girls. He told me "If you knew me then you'd know I don't sleep around. You shouldn't feel like you're in a competition against other women." There was a lot that he apparently hadn't known or understood, but now he does. Anyway, he said that he wants us to have a period of no contact in order for us to let our romantic feelings for each other fade away and then we can be friends. HA. He doesn't even have any romantic feelings for me anymore, so his part is pretty much already done. And I told him over and over that I do not have feelings for him anymore, but he won't believe me. But oh well, I'll give him his time apart. But he may find later on after he's had his time apart that I may not feel like being friends. When someone pulls the rug out from under my feet with no warning, it leaves a huge scar and I never forget that pain and surprise. So then I put up a thick wall that safeguards me from ever having any kind of feelings for that person ever again. Even friendship feelings are guarded and lukewarm once that wall is put up. So even though he agrees that we can be friends again at some point, he may find out later to his disappointment that I won't be up to it.

Trust me, he already got rid of his feelings for me a loooong time ago.

So what he is trying to tell you (and I think it was Nefer that touched on this earlier) - is that we can't be around people that we know have feelings for us that we don't reciprocate.

You seem to be caught in two trains of thought:
1) how you feel about him, and
2) how he doesn't feel about you

There's a third component of: how he feels - that you seem to be glossing over. (Totally understandable when you are in the process of releasing someone). But coming to understand this third component is what will set you free of it - and hopefully somewhere down the line be friends again.

I predict that you indeed won't have a need to be his friend once you have understood the situation for what it is, and released it. And I say sadly, it won't bother him as much as you want it to, or think it might. If it did, he'd be more interested in moving forward knowing you at this very moment.

I realize that what you are going through is all part of the process, and I am not coming down on you for it. But remain honest with yourself (this is why I'm pointing these things out) - it will make things a lot smoother for YOU.

Trust me, I know he probably won't acknowlwdge me ever again no matter how many times he tells me we can be just friends later on. I'm not stupid.

So Pisces called me tonight and told me that later on we can try to give things a second try...but ONLY if we don't talk for awhile. He says he wants to care about me and wants to love me but that I have to change some things first, i.e. being less needy. He says he wants me to show him that I can do better at this and that if I can't then we'll never talk again. OK, I'll accept that challenge. I'll give it my best shot not to talk to him for awhile.

There is one problem though--his shit-stirring guy friends. Apparently they tell him all the time that I say things about him when I DON'T. In fact, whenever I run into some of his guy friends, THEY ask me about him first...usually right away. He's mad because they report to him everyday that I talk badly about him and I honestly don't!! I'm starting to think they are doing this on purpose to cause trouble, and it's just going to cause more problems. One of then even told me a bunch of nasty stuff about Pisces that wasn't true, and I told him about it. I don't need those douchebags sticking their noses in our business and causing more problems for us!! I'm not going to speak to them AT ALL anymore, but I bet you they'll still tell him I'm talking shit about him to them.

I'm so sick of this shit!

Everyone is being so nice to you... I don't think they understand how thick you are. How dangerous!

You have been talking shit about this guy all over this thread! Saying how YOU talk to his friends... his family Endlessly obsessing over him. These have been YOUR words.

I called it from day 1! He has been trying to do damage control to keep you from your stalker, slanderous ways and he can't get rid of you! Just like you won't let this thread die... you still keep coming back... over analyzing and reading into shit that doesn't exist!

Stop BLAMING everyone else for the mess you have created. Have some dignity and just STOP!!!! He DOESN'T want to talk to you! His friends can see your ways.. STRANGERS on the internet can see your ways!

You are a fucking dangerous, obsessing, self absorbed BITCH.. and you need to wake the fuck up and leave this guy alone!

I wouldn't want to wish your flavor of drama on my worst enemy..

*rant over*

Hey listen, BITCH, maybe you should learn to fucking read and then maybe you'd see that HE CALLED me and told me that he is willing to give us another chance after we've had a cooling down period. So clearly he DOES want something to do with me. And I have never "talked shit" about him to his friends or family EVER. All I have EVER said about him to his friends is that I don't want to fight with him, and I asked two of them not to hold it against me that he and I haven't been getting along lately. But he's got one or two buddies who are real dishonest shit-stirrers, and it appears they've been sticking their noses in and stirring up needless drama by telling both me and Pisces crap that isn't true. So I will definitely be distancing myself from those particular friends of his because I've dealt with their kind before.

So seriously, you can take you're "you're a dangerous bitch" bullshit and shove it straight up your fat fucking ass. If you were in front of me I'd bitch slap your fat ugly face into next week for speaking to me that way. Don't fuck with me, bitch.

Posted by MermaidPrincess
So Pisces called me tonight and told me that later on we can try to give things a second try...but ONLY if we don't talk for awhile. He says he wants to care about me and wants to love me but that I have to change some things first, i.e. being less needy. He says he wants me to show him that I can do better at this and that if I can't then we'll never talk again. OK, I'll accept that challenge. I'll give it my best shot not to talk to him for awhile.

Quite the caveat that you are willing to accept there.
From what I can see... he KNOWS you will fail at this task. And poof - gone, AND he got you to agree to the arrangement. Pure genius. Keep chasing though. Keep jumping through hoops, and acting the fool - of not being good enough as you are for the guy. That always convinces them *smh*. They just need to be shown. ahhhhh hahahahah.

One phone call with the apparent intent of setting you up for failure (because like shellshocker said, you refuse to accept what he has previously stated and now he's doing damage control), and all of a sudden you are full of hope again.

Also... if his friends are so against all of this between the two of you - SO much so, that they're playing both sides and telling you both untrue things - that screams awful situation to get into. Clearly, they're in agreeance that you are no good for him.

You may succeed into changing your ways for a short period of time - but you will revert because that's not who you are (for better or worse). And when people have to change to be with someone - again if they succeed - the only thing that it accomplishes is eventual resentment. Best of luck.

Posted by MermaidPrincess
Hey listen, BITCH, maybe you should learn to fucking read.......... And I have never "talked shit" about him to his friends or family EVER.

Shellshocker can read quite well - she said that you've been talking shit about HIM all over this thread.
And that YOU talk to HIS friends (not talk shit to them, but that you speak to his friends/family because you can't just let him/his life be).

Yep... her reading skills are just fine. Now yours on the otherhand, had a little mishap there...

WOW...amazing how everyone here is twisting this every which way they can think of to turn this into some genius convoluted scheme by Pisces to get rid of me. You wanna know what he said to me? Here's some of the things he told me "I WANT to care about you...I WANT to like you...I WANT to love you (emphasis is his, not mine). But when you fight with me like this is makes me care about you a little less everyday. I didn't leave you because you fucked up or because I didn't like you anymore. I moved up here at the last minute because Dave said he needed a roommate and had a sweet deal to offer. So let me just do my own thing up here and PROVE to me with your actions that you can chill out and do that. And if you can, then we can be friends when I come back home, and if you want to try to be more than that then we will see about that too. But what you do from this point on will determine that. So show me you will give this your best effort." So OK. I will give this my best effort. Even though we were yelling at each other half the time, I'm glad he called and that we had this talk. Because I feel that now we are more on the same page communication-wise now. I had been under the impression all this time that he had left me to go chase after other girls or because he was mad at me. But last night he told me that he was no longer upset about me fibbing to him about my past sex-life and that he is not looking to get with other girls up there. Just being on the same page now will help me A LOT, because a big part of the reason why I was constantly trying to talk to him was because I was so angry at him. Now I'm not anymore. So you can twist this Ny way you want, but at the end of the day I know him WAY better than anyone on this board does, and I know he is not an insincere or manipulative person. That is not him at all. So if he tells me something, I believe him. He is a stickler for honesty.

Posted by MermaidPrincess

So seriously, you can take you're "you're a dangerous bitch" bullshit and shove it straight up your fat fucking ass. If you were in front of me I'd bitch slap your fat ugly face into next week for speaking to me that way. Don't fuck with me, bitch.

Really?
Are you telling me that you really want this thing to work our with your Pisces guy, when this is how you lash out at people when you see/hear something you don't like? I've kept quiet in this thread after my previous post, because it summed it all up already.

It's quite clear what this guy is trying to do.. getting rid of you in a non confrontational way. I see so many different people giving input and opinions, yet you never really take it in. I'm getting a huge vibe that you're over analyzing things, trying to filter out certain info and twist things into something that'll please you. It doesn't work that way. Call it a trained hunch but to me you're just talking to his friends & family as a forceful way to stay in his life. I understand that you cannot let go easily when you truly loved someone, but this has to stop. It's bordering on stalker behavior that you're making yourself known in his family and friends circle so often. You can yell at me if you like, but be honest with yourself and stop thing trying to backdoor again into his life. Us Pisces males do NOT appreciate that and he will lash out at you at some point.

He already has when he said he'd want you do give him a no contact period. He knows you're going to fail it and he'll have a valid way of calling it quits. Yet again, my gut tells me that you still won't let go. THAT'S what's creeping us all out and makes me very worried for the guy. Don't go thinking now 'stop making me sound like the bad guy' cause we're not playing that game, but this is very unhealthy what you're doing and it needs to stop right now. If you still do not see the error of your ways then you have learned nothing in the time you've been here gathering information.

There's a line where this went from healthy curiosity and appreciated/helpful input on the situation, to 'I need to vent frustration and find a way to get him back at any cost'. I can see it, can you?

.. this does not bode well -_-

Posted by shellshocker

I'm so sick of this shit!

Everyone is being so nice to you... I don't think they understand how thick you are.

I fully comprehend .. and so does the Fish, that's why he doesn't want her.

Posted by MermaidPrincess

Hey listen, BITCH, maybe you should learn to fucking read

How hilarious, considering you are the one who failed to comprehend what Shellshocker said, due to lacking reading comprehension.


lol

Hey if Shellshocker is gonna sit there and call me a bitch and other names, then you bet I'll dish it out right back to her.

And let's get something straight right now: I do NOT talk to his family. I haven't seen his father in 2 months. As for his friends, they say Hello to me when they see me out somewhere and two of them have come over to my condo to help me set stuff up, but we don't discuss Pisces. However, he has two other friends who DO try to bring up Pisces everytime they see me, and THOSE are the shit-stirrers. I have begun avoiding those two completely because I don't trust them at all. They just like to create drama for their own entertainment.

The reason why Pisces called me initially is because I told him I've had a rocky start since moving here and that I might not be able to stay here and that this news should make him happy, because if I ever have to end up leaving FL, then he'll never have to see me or hear from me ever again. He called me and said "That is not true, I would not be happy to see you leave, don't put words in my mouth." Then we digressed into the rest of our discussion where he told me that he still wants to love me and care about me if I will go back to being the way I was before. He says if I can't do that then I can fuck off forever, but he wants me to try. So OK, I'll accept that challenge and give him his man space until he's ready to approach me again.

Posted by MermaidPrincess
I haven't seen his father in 2 months. As for his friends, they say Hello to me when they see me out somewhere and two of them have come over to my condo to help me set stuff up, but we don't discuss Pisces.

I told him I've had a rocky start since moving here and that I might not be able to stay here and that this news should make him happy,

He says if I can't do that then I can fuck off forever, but he wants me to try. So OK, I'll accept that challenge and give him his man space until he's ready to approach me again.

You are so full of shit...

You haven't seen his father in 2 months... but when you DID.. you talked about how Pisces was reverting to his college days and chasing girls up there. YOU said this... It only takes one slanderous comment.. to his FATHER.. to reveal your truth.

And what about his friend, Seira or something.. that you have detailed conversations about Pisces with? The one who is "kinda in the same boat as you so you help each other out" type thing. You don't think she tells her boyfriend the things you say about Pisces? You are a liar.

And why are you having HIS friends come help you move— Cant you find any of your own, you barnacle!!!

THEN... you call him up and GUILT trip him by saying you are moving.. and he must be happy about that. Why the FUCK should him or his happiness having anything to do with your decision to move.. since you ARE NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP—

I think you should listen to his line.. "fuck off forever"... that's the truth, right there

You're so fucking stupid.. and ya, why don't you come thru my computer and teach me a lesson!! LOL! Delusional bitch...

Shellshocker you are so pathetic. Screaming at me from behind your little computer. LOL Haven't you anything better to do with your miserable life?

I never said anything to Pisces father about him. I have merely HEARD that Pisces' dad is not happy with him farting around right now. And I can believe it. His dad runs a tight ship and he wants to see him do something constructive with his life.

I am new to this state and I do not know a lot of people yet. Two of Pisces' friends stayed at my home in Illinois last summer when he came to visit me, so yes they are friendly to me. And since I don't know a lot of people to call upon when I need help doing something complicated like setting up cable equipment or moving out unwanted furniture, they have agreed to help before. There's nothing wrong with that. I love how it seems to bother you so much that some of his friends don't have a problem with me. You WANT Pisces and everyone in his life to hate my guts, don't you? And you're pissed off that isn't the case. In fact, one of them told me last week "As long as you're cool to me, I'll be cool to you no matter what happens between you and Pisces."

If Pisces never wants to see me ever again, he would have flat out told me "I never want to see you again." But last weekend and last night he told me that he WANTS us to try to be together again after we've had a cooling off period and he wants me to prove to him that I can be more laid-back about this. His exact words were "I WANT to care about you and like you...I WANT to love you. And I want you to be a cool girl again." You're all screaming at me to "look at the truth of what he's saying"....well then why don't you take his words I just quoted at face value and trust that that's what he truly wants.

Posted by MermaidPrincess
I love how it seems to bother you so much that some of his friends don't have a problem with me. You WANT Pisces and everyone in his life to hate my guts, don't you? And you're pissed off that isn't the case.

blah, blah, blah.. you're repeating yourself again. ^^^^^^^ Are you reading yourself? You think I have any emotional investment in your life? a stranger... who I don't know or give a fuck about? I feel bad for THE PISCES!

your glaring ignorance was getting on my nerves.. so my Aries Moon/Mars wanted to get it out.. done.

have a nice life

Posted by MermaidPrincess

If Pisces never wants to see me ever again, he would have flat out told me "I never want to see you again." But last weekend and last night he told me that he WANTS us to try to be together again after we've had a cooling off period and he wants me to prove to him that I can be more laid-back about this. His exact words were "I WANT to care about you and like you...I WANT to love you. And I want you to be a cool girl again." You're all screaming at me to "look at the truth of what he's saying"....well then why don't you take his words I just quoted at face value and trust that that's what he truly wants.

Not all of us say what we want to say in your face. I will but this guy clearly doesn't. You won't hear him say it but he'll make it clear by his actions, avoiding contact etc. Yet we've all seen how you react to no contact eh -remember the extensive capricorn problems you had, insulting the guy, manipulating him and admitting you were doing it, apologizing without meaning and and then rinse & repeat the cycle-.

Ok fine, if that's what he really said and not your own selective version of the facts, good luck with it all. But tell me, if all it takes for you to get back together with him, is you becoming a nice person to be around again.. why hasn't it worked yet? Cause you're obsessive even in the face of a task this simple, taken at face value here.

I know myself and I can say those words too. I WANT to this & WANT you to do that, but that doesn't mean I WILL 100% sure love you once that moment arrives. This of course is up for debate but I'm not going to go there with you cause you wouldn't understand it honestly. Just explain to me in one sentence now what you actually want from this discussion anymore? We all gave you our opinions so what more can you want now? To me the Pisces board has closed this topic since there's no talking to you -here you go: omg there's no talking with you people either cause he said he'd love me again-.

Rinse & repeat.

HA! If you didn't have any emotional investment, you wouldn't waste your time ranting and raving to me about it and calling me a bitch and all other sorts of names.

Don't feel bad for Pisces. He doesn't need your pity. It looks to me like he has been thinking about what he wants and he has decided he wants to try to work things out with me if I can prove to him that I can be secure enough to let him do his own thing for awhile. He said he does not like to be boxed in and now that I know he did not run off because he was mad at me or to screw a bunch of wild college girls, I feel a lot more comfortable with this. It was the thought of him running off over such a minor argument or wanting to bang as many dirty girls as he could that was driving me nuts. But now that I know that isn't the case, I can put my mind at ease and focus on other important things while he is away doing his own things.

MP.. my sincere offer to send you the book still stands.

Posted by Nefer
MP.. my sincere offer to send you the book still stands.

Hell lets throw the entire self help section at her.

What his roommate's girlfriend has been telling me about him starts to make sense now. She said he spends a lot of time alone riding his bike for hours and painting. She said there have been no other females with him that she knows of. So clearly he's been "thinking about things" like he said he was going to....he's been off in his own little world going through his thoughts while bike riding and painting. And perhaps he has come to the conclusion that he doesn't want to give up on me yet if I can be more laid-back and not freak out about him being away from me for awhile. I don't want to be like the immature clingy girls back home who won't let their men out of their sight, so I will take him up on this challenge. If this is what it takes to make him happy, then I'll do it....or at least give it my best effort.

*Darn, my aim is a bit off.. tries again with the delusion section*

OK, how about this: Pisces and all of his friends hate my guts. His two best friends speak to me in public and help me out with stuff from time to time just because they hate me soooooo much. Pisces hates me with such a fierce passion that even after two months of us bickering back and forth, he has contacted me TWICE now to tell me that he would like us to give our relationship another shot after we have spent some time apart. It's all part of a brilliant, convoluted secret plan of his to get rid of me forever because simply telling me outright that he hates me and never wants to see me again just wouldn't make any sense. If I were to suddenly die tomorrow, he would actually jump for joy at the news of it because he despises me so much. Is that what you all want me to say?? Does that make you feel better??

Posted by MermaidPrincess
OK, how about this: Pisces and all of his friends hate my guts. His two best friends speak to me in public and help me out with stuff from time to time just because they hate me soooooo much. Pisces hates me with such a fierce passion that even after two months of us bickering back and forth, he has contacted me TWICE now to tell me that he would like us to give our relationship another shot after we have spent some time apart. It's all part of a brilliant, convoluted secret plan of his to get rid of me forever because simply telling me outright that he hates me and never wants to see me again just wouldn't make any sense. If I were to suddenly die tomorrow, he would actually jump for joy at the news of it because he despises me so much. Is that what you all want me to say?? Does that make you feel better??

Nope, no need to dramatize this all.
We want you to learn from your mistakes and realize what you did wrong.
If you don't do that, your second shot at him won't last either.

Don't see why he or his friends would have to hate you, but never underestimate the bro's before (ex) ho's. You really think you stand a chance against him in winning over his friends? Probably not because that's not the one you want anyway and they know it.

How about this. Since we already gave you so much help and insight with this, clearly the wrong kind, you now peddle on your own. You obviously have a firm grip on the situation and know he's dying to get back together. I'm happy for you if that's what you want. There's nothing more we Pisces people can add to the mix, but I'm sure you'll survive on your own. After all, the only thing you did here was rant about him and ignoring our stories anyway. No miss there if you don't come here for that anymore right? Isn't that what that girlfriend in a similar situation was perfect for? She'll understand you much better no doubt. Or those friends of his, I'm sure they'll help you out with getting back together.

And you know this HOW, Ellessque?? Do you know Pisces?? Have you ever met him or sat down and talked with him?? NO, you haven't. I DO know him, and I know that he does not pity anyone. It's not his nature to. He is all about people standing up and doing what they can to be productive and happy. He says he knows I've been having a rough start here but that he wants me to "put on my big girl panties" and do whatever I have to do to make it work.

If Pisces had said "If you'll be quiet for X amount of time, then I'll take you back", then I would have immediately known he was just trying to bait me. But that's not what he said. He said he wants to love me again and wants to keep me in his life, but that can only happen if I go back to being the way I was before. He said "I do not sleep around and I am no longer mad at you for not being honest with me. I just want you to be cool with the fact that if we are together I like to be my own person and do my own thing sometimes. I am a traveler and you have to be cool with the fact that I may leave for awhile sometimes and it has nothing to do with you."

Again, I know him far better than any of you do. You can psychoanalyze him through a computer all you want, but you haven't spent 7-8 months interacting with him and getting to know him like I have. He is not a dishonest person, and in return he expects honesty from everyone he associates with. He said that if I can't learn to relax with him and be secure about letting him do his own thing sometimes, then he WILL tell me to "fuck off". But right now I am being tested and I have to "show him with my actions" that I can do what he is requesting.

Posted by MermaidPrincess
... if I can be more laid-back and not freak out about him being away from me for awhile. I don't want to be like the immature clingy girls back home who won't let their men out of their sight, so I will take him up on this challenge. If this is what it takes to make him happy, then I'll do it....or at least give it my best effort.

Let me be the first to congratulate you on how you are doing fantastic with this so far. Between this thread, and making sure you know what he is up to and concluding that because his penis isn't in someone else he MUST be thinking about things to do with you.

Posted by Ormas

Posted by MermaidPrincess
OK, how about this: Pisces and all of his friends hate my guts. His two best friends speak to me in public and help me out with stuff from time to time just because they hate me soooooo much. Pisces hates me with such a fierce passion that even after two months of us bickering back and forth, he has contacted me TWICE now to tell me that he would like us to give our relationship another shot after we have spent some time apart. It's all part of a brilliant, convoluted secret plan of his to get rid of me forever because simply telling me outright that he hates me and never wants to see me again just wouldn't make any sense. If I were to suddenly die tomorrow, he would actually jump for joy at the news of it because he despises me so much. Is that what you all want me to say?? Does that make you feel better??

Don't see why he or his friends would have to hate you, but never underestimate the bro's before (ex) ho's.

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Yes Orman, I am well aware of that "Bro Code" rule. That's why I had a talk with two of his friends about this. I told them "Look, I know you guys are all friends and that you feel you need to stick together. All I ask is that you please not hold it against me that Pisces and I aren't getting along right now, because I really didn't want it to be like this." To which his friend replied "I never have and never will take anything out on you. I think you're thinking about it way too much. I don't care what your relationship with Pisces is. As long as you're cool to me, I'll be cool to you. And that's it. So let's just put all that behind us."