Why are we never content with what we have?

This topic was created in the Pisces forum by haffo on Saturday, February 3, 2007 and has 59 replies.
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yeah. you want freedom, but hate being alone. you feel jealous, but don't tell people you care. . .
you fishies. one, giant oxymoron!
Lack of self definition.
Speaking for myself. Too outwardly focusing e.g. spend too much time catering to others needs - give too much and then resent others for it. Instead of looking at oneself, same reason as critising or judging others. Lack of self control, too accommadating.
"Why are we never content with what we have?"
Lack of gratitude for what you do have.
When one becomes grateful for everything in their life - they will know happiness.
MysticFire,
I feel for you that your Pisces man isn't living up to what you need in a relationship .. however, not all fish are like him. I know for myself, I speak about my feelings to my partner and never feel jealous .. it just depends on the person.
I'm sorry that he has left you feeling like we are all oxymorons .. hopefully, you'll meet another Pisces who will change your opinion of us.
I wish you a lifetime of happiness smile
Haffo, I'm thinking that it's because we, as people, want EVERYTHING and we just can't have everything .. FB has it correct when she said that it's a lack of gratitude, however .. nothing ever stays the same .. life is about changes and adapting to those changes.
What is appreciated today, may not be so tomarrow .. and not because the appreciation or gratitude has changed, rather, our desires to have more or something different in our lives. I believe this is just in our nature as humans.
"What is appreciated today, may not be so tomarrow .. and not because the appreciation or gratitude has changed, rather, our desires to have more or something different in our lives. I believe this is just in our nature as humans."
Makes sense.....however, when one is in a constant state of "gratefulness" they are also grateful for the changes that they are experiencing knowing - it's all good. When we focus on the good in our lives, we will attract more of the same.
Oprah is having a great show on today - Not sure if any of you are familiar with the movie, The Secret.....but, if you have the opportunity I would suggest highly that you check this out! AWESOME and life changing Winking
"What is appreciated today, may not be so tomarrow .. and not because the appreciation or gratitude has changed, rather, our desires to have more or something different in our lives. I believe this is just in our nature as humans."
Imagine a person of 25 years old. Living about 10 years in rent has pissed him off quite alot. Because anytime he prepares the money to pay for it, he thinks "I pay such a big money, I work my ass off to earn it, and my houseowner just sits on his ass and waits me to pay this to him, he doesn't even thinks or cares about how I earn this, all he wants is money, if I not gonna pay this money to him, he will kick me away and find someone else to pay this to him while I will find myself in the street". In a 2 years, this person buys a house by bank credit. Everytime he pays the monthly payment of the house he think "these money are mine, and I pay it for myself, I do not throw them away, just like I did before, I pay it for myself, because whenever I sell this house, I will get all my money back, but with rent, I will never receive my money back, I just lose them". He's happy. No matter how much he pays. Everytime when he sees his house, he remembers days when he was living in rent and this difference in his life just makes him happy. Even after 20 years when he finally pays all the money that he owed to the bank, he's still happy, because this house is his. He does not feel bad about paying alot of money all these years, because he remembers his bad days. No matter what people say about his house, wether it's old, wether it's falling, wether it's cheap or not good looking, he's happy. Because this house is his. And he knows that there are still people who still passess all these ways. He's happy no matter what people say...
Isn't he grateful? Isn't he content with what he has? He is.
"No matter what people say about his house, wether it's old, wether it's falling, wether it's cheap or not good looking, he's happy"

The most important thing in all this .. he's happy. However, he gets there, no matter what sacrifices he had to make, to matter what other people say or think .. he's happy.
Are you happy, Haffo?
I am smile
Now let's see the other side of coin.
There is a 25 years old person. Without any experience in life, this person receives a house from their parents or from goverment (for example in socialist country). They constantly whine, bitch and show their unhappiness for things that they don't have...Everyone has to put up with them, and that just fuels this...
When time changes, when system of life changes, those people lose their houses without remorse. Even give it freely away. But something happens here!!! Life has become very difficult!! Why? What happened? Why they can't find a house to rent? Why rent prices go up while salaries stay same? They try to rise their salaries, but end up with loosing their jobs. A dark time has came! Without money they can't buy food, leave alone paying for rent (if they managed to find one). A deep, dark feeling wraps up then - FEAR. They feel fear! They feel fear about today, about tomorrow and after a while this fear brakes everything. Even things that they felt confident about, also has because the source of fear. They started to think about strange things. Imagine about worst scenarios. Whenever they tried to think about other things that previously entertained them, they started to feel hunger, but wait we don't have money to buy something.........DAMN! Everything again!
At this point, a person understands. They are trapped.
Now imagine how this person will feel when they get their life back? They will be content. Even perhaps for their entire life...
Now, what is the thing in here that makes people change like that. Pain. Fear cases pain. Pain is the opposite of happiness. See where I come?
One cannot experience happiness, withou experiencing enough pain. One has to experience either pain or happiness to be aware of the other side. Life has same amount of pain and happiness, evil and good. We just have to know one of the sides to know the other side. Most of the time, we are cut of from these sources. That makes up unppretiative for things we have.
" Are you happy, Haffo?"
No.
Did I just write this all?...Hell...
Haffo,
Do you by chance know how POWERFUL your THOUGHTS are? You are what YOU THINK.
Your present state has been willed by your thoughts. You can change the present state into another by your own thoughts. All your states of happiness or misery in heaven or hell, are effects of your own thoughts. Early or late, in this life or lives to come, all your passing thoughts will be realized. So, discriminate nicely.

Freebird
Perhaps I understand.
The universe is neutral. It's neither evil nor good. Universe has nothing to do with these things, because the concept of good or bad is humane. So anything negative in our lives, are product of humans. Wether it's because lack of understanding, or misunderstanding, it's all humane. So, whenever we feel bad, it's because we are humans. It has nothing to do with universe. Whenever we think bad, then there is same amount of good...somewhere...because it has to be ballanced to neutral...just like our universe is. So I think I understand what you mean by how powerful our thoughts are idea. We are either in control of those thoughts or not in control. It's up to us to live the way we want. We just need to find lost pieces of information.
Why do you need to find "lost" pieces of information? I need for you to help me understand this statement.
Reason I am asking is.....the past is the past - let it go or it will follow you into the present moment and into the future.
"lost" people of information are the reasons why we feel bad. Why our energy are constantly being used ineffectively. It's a need. And not only past, but future and present too. It's a method.
I know it's difficult to handle things that we do not understand. It's the thing that causes us to act in the most senseless way. But leaving them are ineffective. By leaving them we forfeit our chances to gain experience.
nah....don't buy it Haffo. "lost" people of information are the reasons why we feel bad." What this says is you are not taking responsibility for your own actions/thoughts...appears that you may be blaming the "lost" people. They are not the reason you feel bad. YOU are choosing to feel bad my friend.
ewww....lost people. Misspelling lol. I meant "lost" pieces of information. LOL not poeople.
LOL...silly Haffo. Okies, sub people for pieces Winking
"What this says is you are not taking responsibility for your own actions/thoughts...appears that you may be blaming the "lost" people. They are not the reason you feel bad. YOU are choosing to feel bad my friend."
Ehhh...That sounds like ignorance. You ignore the situation without finding what's going on. Finding the lost pieces of information is exactly what means taking responsibility for your actions/thoughts. It's an active behaviour. Not passive. If you stay passive or ignore this, it will mean that you didnt take responsibility.
And I wouldn't say that finding lost piece of information means blame someone. Blaming is a judgement. Finding the reasons is not. After all we make judgement only after we know what we are dealing with. After we find the information, we will decide who are to be blamed. If that's our personal mistake, we will make it corrected. If this is theirs, da hell with them (forgive). At least you know what's going on and move on.
"They are not the reason you feel bad. YOU are choosing to feel bad my friend."
We choise to feel bad, because we don't have a better understanding. That's exactly what I try to fix. Find a better understanding. And I'm sure there is a definite better understanding that brings the situation to neutral, because that's the rule of universe.
I do not recall saying or suggesting that you should ignore the situation. I was responding to your statement, "lost" people of information are the reasons why we feel bad."
You are actively choosing to feel bad because of lost information. It is not the lost pieces of information that makes you feel bad.
There will always be circumstances in our lives, it is our choice as to how we choose to respond to them.
Stop feeling so baaad. Cheer up and be Happy smile Ya never know when your last day on the planet will be.
"You are actively choosing to feel bad because of lost information. It is not the lost pieces of information that makes you feel bad."
Depends on situation. For example, if someone acted selfishly and made you lose your house and you still suffer from this, you can't stop feel bad. If you do not suffer, then you do not. So it's situational. But understanding of this is required wether you STILL suffer or not. Perhaps we can understand that until we don't know what's going on, we shouldn't act neither negatively neither positively. Maybe this is what you try to tell me. Well then I can tell this, it's too hard to stay neutral if your needs heavily depend on this.
" There will always be circumstances in our lives, it is our choice as to how we choose to respond to them."
Sure it's our choise. But we can make a choise that seems like positive, but in reality it just aimed to mask our pain. I do not call this as a true response. It only pospondes things. Never solves.
" Stop feeling so baaad. Cheer up and be Happy Ya never know when your last day on the planet will be."
What is the point of being on planet, living like an animal until end of your days without knowing why you suffered this. Will your life then will have any purpose? Just live, die and know nothing....Seems like very inefficient.
Oh Haffo......where in the world does "living like an animal" come from?
Have you made a choice to suffer? If you really believe that you are on this planet to suffer, then yes you are correct and you will suffer.
Back to our thoughts....what you think, you will experience and become. What is now presently going on in your life is from past thoughts of yours.
Change your thoughts....and you will change your world. Winking
"Oh Haffo......where in the world does "living like an animal" come from? "
What I mean by saying "living like an animal" was "carelessly". As in "living without caring anything".
"Have you made a choice to suffer? If you really believe that you are on this planet to suffer, then yes you are correct and you will suffer."
Nobody choices to suffer. This is against human nature. We all are victims. And yes, until we will not have genetic memery imprinted on our DNA's, we will not stop suffer from stupity. At least we would tell then "What can we do...this is as much as we know. There is no better understanidng for this" and move on. But we born with insticts and no information. We are already victims.

"Back to our thoughts....what you think, you will experience and become. What is now presently going on in your life is from past thoughts of yours."
Honestly I cannot tell anything. How can I tell anything when I do not even know the rules of the game. I can tell about wishes...surely they depend on needs...but needs change and I cannot predict where. Perhaps the more information we will have, the less needs we will have. Perhaps the correct prognosis would be "live happier with lesser".
" Change your thoughts....and you will change your world."
I can change my perception. True. But our social standarts hardly will change. Since our existence depend on others or better say our team work, social standarts will always have great impact on our lives. No matter how much you will change your thoughts, they will not change social standarts...
However..who knows. Knowing things could make you even less dependant on society. Which means from one point you lose but from other point you gain. Perhaps I will gain more than I lose and become less dependant on society than today.
"Nobody choices to suffer. This is against human nature. We all are victims. And yes, until we will not have genetic memery imprinted on our DNA's, we will not stop suffer from stupity. At least we would tell then "What can we do...this is as much as we know. There is no better understanidng for this" and move on. But we born with insticts and no information. We are already victims."
Every moment of your life you are making a choice....everything that happens to you good or bad is because of your thoughts.
You say, "we are already victims." right here you have made a choice and for YOU it will be true and this is what you will experience in your very own world. The power of your thoughts.
I have NEVER thought of myself as a victim nor will I ever - I have never been in a victim situation. Why? because I choose not to think that way.
Haffo, I am not here to change the way you think....only hoping that maybe your mind will open a bit more to see what else is out there for you to experience ....by your thoughts. Winking
" Every moment of your life you are making a choice....everything that happens to you good or bad is because of your thoughts."
Thought? Perhaps you mean wrong choices?
"You say, "we are already victims." right here you have made a choice and for YOU it will be true and this is what you will experience in your very own world. The power of your thoughts."
No that doesn't exactly mean this way. By victims I mean "we are pretty much defenceless". It doesn't mean that from time to time we will be lucky and not experience bad things.
"I have NEVER thought of myself as a victim nor will I ever - I have never been in a victim situation. Why? because I choose not to think that way."
That's only possible if you know every piece of information. Choose not to think this way cannot stop you making mistakes. By mistakes I mean "things that cause you pain". Things that are against your needs. I don't think such person exist. Maybe this is the person who people call God - if he exist.

"Haffo, I am not here to change the way you think....only hoping that maybe your mind will open a bit more to see what else is out there for you to experience ....by your thoughts"
I aprettite your willingness to share information.
"Thought? Perhaps you mean wrong choices?" No, I did not mean wrong choices. I meant what I wrote. There are no right or wrong choices - only the choice one chooses and he himself will know if it is right or wrong for him and then if he chooses, he can change that thought again. Cool huh?

"we are pretty much defenceless". Again....you have made a choice for yourself. I do not choose to be "defenceless". Because you have made this choice, you will see yourself as "defenceless" and circumstances will come into your reality for this to be true. We are what we think.
"things that cause you pain". ......again, we choose what causes us pain. Pain to one person may not be pain to another. Mistakes? I prefer to see them as opportunities to learn.
And I appreciate your sharing as well Haffo Winking
Energy flows where attention goes........
"No, I did not mean wrong choices. I meant what I wrote. There are no right or wrong choices - only the choice one chooses and he himself will know if it is right or wrong for him and then if he chooses, he can change that thought again. Cool huh?"
Eh I understan this. But altough we can change our perceptions, sometimes we cannot meet our needs. That's very common problem. You may chose to think that you are not something that most people would think, but failing meeting your demands is a fact.
"sometimes we cannot meet our needs." Okay, you are correct again! If this truly is your thought, and you believe it - then your needs will not be met.
All of my needs are met - but then again, this is my thought.
"That's very common problem." Okay again....for you it is because you think so.
Not really sure what you are saying in your last sentence.....but, I don't care what people think I am - what is important to me is that I KNOW who and what I am.
Not every meet is changable by thought.
For example;
You have to work.
You have to eat.
You have to pay bills.
You have to pay for your kids.
Not every need is even changable. Or have any alternative.
Sure.....these are a part of our daily activities for some....not everyone has to work, they choose to work and some will choose to do only what makes them FEEL good. Others will stay in a job because they have a fear of leaving and knowing there is something better out there.
We have to eat....yep, we have choices as to what we eat. We can choose to eat foods that keep us healthy or foods to comfort us, or foods to kill us.
We have to pay bills - yes, and we need to be very grateful when we do this that we have the money to pay our bills - shows us how responsible we are.
You have to pay for your kids - No one has to pay for their kids....there are plenty of parents who have not done so...it is a choice and to me, it was something I wanted to do and enjoyed every min. and every sec. of being with my boys....it was my pleasure to be able to provide for them.
Again....circumstances in life - we choose how we will respond to those circumstances.
Life truly is a gift....enjoy your moments. Winking
" Again....circumstances in life - we choose how we will respond to those circumstances."
Some people cannot change those circumstances. So they have to play along. They cannot stop feeling pain when they fail.
"Some people cannot change those circumstances. So they have to play along. They cannot stop feeling pain when they fail." Why not? Is that your belief? Yes, they can stop feeling pain if they choose to.
What is "fail?" depends how you choose to view the art of failing. If you choose to see it as a "bad" thing, then you will feel bad. If you choose to see it as an opportunity for growth then you will not feel pain.
We can change anything if we really want to. Most people have excuses as to why they cannot do something or change something.
The definition of an excuse is a well planned lie.
We as humans are very powerful...we create our life or we can choose to let someone else create our life. Your choice Winking
"Why not? Is that your belief? Yes, they can stop feeling pain if they choose to."
It's not a belief. It's a physical end. Imagine a person living in strets. Those people does not have good health conditions (1st point). They can catch ilness (2nd point). They can be robbed, raped, killed (3rd point). They have no social security, they could simply die. All those cannot be prevented with just change of thought.
Stop feeling pain? This is escapism! You do not aknowledge the importance of the issue. Pain is exactly what makes you not fall into such circumstances. If you do not feel pain, then you are mentally absolutely defenceless. Or you may say that you do not feel pain or think like that, but this is ultimately self deception. You try to act against your instincts. Survival instincts. You can't change those instincts, they are genetically programmed into your mind.
"What is "fail?" depends how you choose to view the art of failing. If you choose to see it as a "bad" thing, then you will feel bad. If you choose to see it as an opportunity for growth then you will not feel pain."
Actually you will still feel pain. But not so much.
" We can change anything if we really want to. Most people have excuses as to why they cannot do something or change something."
Yes our mind can do this. But I don't think with those examples you have said above, this is possible.
" We can change anything if we really want to. Most people have excuses as to why they cannot do something or change something."
Our minds can ovveride our instincs effectively yes, but I don't see how according to your examples. From what I can see, this is escapism only.
Actually we can ovveride our instincs in one condition:
If everything is done for us by others.


This is not possible. Nobody will do everything for you. The age of kings is over. So we will have to make our decisions ourselves. And when we do this, we WILL make wrong ones and we will fail. We will fail meeting our demands. And we will feel pain, because this is what our genetical programming makes it happen.
Haffo, you and I are on different thought patterns and that is perfectly ok - what I do know for sure is........each one of us will create our reality by the thoughts we think.
Pain? again, there are some people who feel more pain than others.
"So we will have to make our decisions ourselves. And when we do this, we WILL make wrong ones and we will fail."
Exactly Haffo! You will make your decisions by your thoughts...and yes, you will make decisions and "fail" if you choose to see it that way or as I have said earlier, "an opportunity for learning."
This is life....create by your thougts, if you don't like what you created, change your thoughts and you will change your decisions to suit you. If you desire a happy life this is what you will create. Winking

I guess I understand where you are coming from.
I understand that our minds can ovveride our instincts pretty effectively. I undertand that our minds can decrease the amount of emotional harm is resulting from our failrues. (However I do not belive they can totally remove it). But I also do understand that until we make failrues, and if the positive outcome is important for us, we cannot be happy.
"Exactly Haffo! You will make your decisions by your thoughts...and yes, you will make decisions and "fail" if you choose to see it that way or as I have said earlier, "an opportunity for learning." "
You can see things this way if your failrues are not last ones.
How would your outlook on the decisions that you made be IF, what the result from those decisions was always something good? Yes, you may have to really look deep inside to find the lesson that you needed to learn but you can find the good in any situation if you choose to.
We have the ability to see life as a positive experience for us or a negative one. Winking and ...... I personally feel that it's ALL GOOD! Winking
"How would your outlook on the decisions that you made be IF, what the result from those decisions was always something good? Yes, you may have to really look deep inside to find the lesson that you needed to learn but you can find the good in any situation if you choose to."
There is no possibility not unknowingly do always right decisions. You may have good sides within failrue, but failrue is failrue. You needed it, but it wasn't fulfilled. And if you don't have second chance, you may feel great pain.
For example, if someone has made some crime that costed him some life time, he might think there were good sides in what he has done, but he lost his lifetime, and that's not something to be brought back. It was his final failrue that costed him irreplacable resources.
"There is no possibility no unknowningly do always right decisions." Well Haffo...here on planet earth...we are here to learn about ourselves and how we learn is by making choices...we then choose to label them "right or wrong" "good or bad" according to our perceptions (earlier programming). What if we made a decision, accepted it, learned from it and went on with our lives? Actually, this is all we can do is....move on with our lives and with this knowing...we move on with new choices of how we see things or not - totally up to us.
About the person commiting a crime...first of all, his thoughts brought him to that experience...why? maybe he needed to learn something from that experience that only he can learn. Yes, there is a consequence to our actions - always. We learn from this as well. There are many opportunities now for this person - his life is not over unless he chooses to accept "failure" and sees his life as over. There have been plenty of people who have been incarcinated who have changed their lives and others around them for the better because of their experience. Life happens even in a prison and why not? learning is everywhere around us - we just need to have an open mind and heart to see it.
"but he lost his lifetime, and that's not something to be brought back." No, he did not loose his lifetime - according to your perception he did. Perhaps this just may be the beginning of a new life for him? Ya never know. Winking He may meet someone who may help to change his life for the better or as I said earlier, he may help others to change a life.
"It was his final failure that costed him irreplacable resources." again, this is your perception, your version of the story. I personally don't see anything as a "final failure" he just took a different turn on the highway of life. Something apparently he needed to do.
"My life, as it is, makes up the perfect world. Failure was just one more of my opinions, and I am, once again, left as my own living joke." ~Byron Katie
Anyway Freebird. As I thought before, what you tell is plain out ignorance. At first I thought there is a point in what you say, but now I see it's just an ignorance.
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