women with the lowest self esteem: pisces & virgo?

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my sister had a book about women and their zodiac signs(called "sex signs" by judith bennett), and it listed certain traits about all of'em..and only virgo and pisces had low self esteem listed in theirs..(cancer had medium self esteem thou)
so whats the deal? is it some truth to that or what?

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Virgos may have periods of self-doubt and low self-esteem and these moments can get out of control if they let them. This can lead to indecision as they play "what if" often envisioning the worst case scenario. A better understanding of universal Yin-Yang energy will help virgos overcome things only "they" seem to be worrying about.
Virgos know how they think they want things to go but can often experience difficulty in defining exactly what that is. If they want the perfect relationship, they are willing to experiment to the extreme to define exactly what that means. This can lead them down a path with no resolve and finding less of what they actually seek.
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Virgos may have periods of self-doubt and low self-esteem and these moments can get out of control if they let them. This can lead to indecision as they play "what if" often envisioning the worst case scenario. A better understanding of universal Yin-Yang energy will help virgos overcome things only "they" seem to be worrying about.
Virgos know how they think they want things to go but can often experience difficulty in defining exactly what that is. If they want the perfect relationship, they are willing to experiment to the extreme to define exactly what that means. This can lead them down a path with no resolve and finding less of what they actually seek.


I don't want to agree with it, but it can happen. Self-esteem is your opinon about yourself overall as well as how you feel about your successes, abilities and flaws. Having good self-esteem makes you see yourself as deserving respect. Low self-esteem puts low value on your opinions, ideas, or self image. We can say all day long that pisces and virgos have the lowest self-esteem but it's deeper than that. It's shaped by your relationships, thoughts and experiences. Virgos are self critical and pisces are insecure. What do YOU think it really is?
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Pisces are fantasy prone and live in the world of their imagination. I think that they suffer from fear of rejection and low-self esteem the most. They hide it in efforts to create their ideal loving environment for their loved ones. Not for themselves though because they can create their ideal life when they retreat.
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The virgo girls I know allow guys to walk al over them. It's sad really. My friend has low self esteem and always gets obssessive over the guys she dates even if they don't treat her right. Pisces have low self esteem but i don't think they would let someone walk all over them.
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Posted by PlanetMercuryGirl
Virgos may have periods of self-doubt and low self-esteem and these moments can get out of control if they let them. This can lead to indecision as they play "what if" often envisioning the worst case scenario. A better understanding of universal Yin-Yang energy will help virgos overcome things only "they" seem to be worrying about.
Virgos know how they think they want things to go but can often experience difficulty in defining exactly what that is. If they want the perfect relationship, they are willing to experiment to the extreme to define exactly what that means. This can lead them down a path with no resolve and finding less of what they actually seek.


I don't want to agree with it, but it can happen. Self-esteem is your opinon about yourself overall as well as how you feel about your successes, abilities and flaws. Having good self-esteem makes you see yourself as deserving respect. Low self-esteem puts low value on your opinions, ideas, or self image. We can say all day long that pisces and virgos have the lowest self-esteem but it's deeper than that. It's shaped by your relationships, thoughts and experiences. Virgos are self critical and pisces are insecure. What do YOU think it really is?
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i haven't been in any real relationships with a virgo, but i've had sex with a real good amount..and all of'em was pretty easy..im not trying to be disrespectful, but its the truth..i mean with one, it was practically no words exchanged except "so are you ready?"..and damn was she a freak..but anyway, i think with those virgo's all of'em showed low self esteem in that aspect because it just didn't take much to have sex with'em..all of'em was straight forward without any teasing or game playing..like most women do
i've also been with a couple pisces woman that was kinda whorish too, but they seemed more low key about it..but i think its a lil different with us since we're the same sign so we kinda connect and understand each other better..like one chick whom i planned on hitting and quitting, ended up being my gf for a while,lol
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Posted by DAMEN VI
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Out of the Pisces and Virgo women I know...
I would say the V-ladies have more issues with this than the Mermaids.
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Posted by Lena282
Don't all girls have these issues? Or are we significantly worse?


Good point.
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Posted by Volkswagen
why do people make a connecton between self esteem and sex? it's carnal instincts people. everyones got a libido, some act on it some dont.




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Posted by Volkswagen
why do people make a connecton between self esteem and sex? it's carnal instincts people. everyones got a libido, some act on it some dont.


Self esteem and sex get connected for women when their reasons for having sex are tied to something other than just acting on their carnal instincts.
If a woman is having sex as a way to get a man to love her, or commit to her, then she doesn't love herself enough to know that she's enough...without the sex.
If a woman is having sex with someone purely to get off then I agree that it is not connected to low self esteem. Quite the opposite in this case. She knows what she wants and she doesn't feel demeaned or used in any way when she gets it.
It all depends on her reasons for doing it...and the way she feels about herself after.
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Posted by DAMEN VI

i haven't been in any real relationships with a virgo, but i've had sex with a real good amount..and all of'em was pretty easy..im not trying to be disrespectful, but its the truth..i mean with one, it was practically no words exchanged except "so are you ready?"..and damn was she a freak..but anyway, i think with those virgo's all of'em showed low self esteem in that aspect because it just didn't take much to have sex with'em..all of'em was straight forward without any teasing or game playing..like most women do
i've also been with a couple pisces woman that was kinda whorish too, but they seemed more low key about it..but i think its a lil different with us since we're the same sign so we kinda connect and understand each other better..like one chick whom i planned on hitting and quitting, ended up being my gf for a while,lol




Wow what bullshit. Women can have sex with random people and not have low self-esteem. It can also be that they do. Either way, they're not wh0res/sluts/bitches. They just enjoy sex.
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Posted by Volkswagen

lmfao. listen to this bullshit. so YOu must also have self esteem issues then cus you were just as down to fuck as the virgos.
lol.. why do people make a connecton between self esteem and sex? it's carnal instincts people. everyones got a libido, some act on it some dont.


you're joking,right? please tell me you're not serious about that dumb ass shit you posted..
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Posted by DAMEN VI

i haven't been in any real relationships with a virgo, but i've had sex with a real good amount..and all of'em was pretty easy..im not trying to be disrespectful, but its the truth..i mean with one, it was practically no words exchanged except "so are you ready?"..and damn was she a freak..but anyway, i think with those virgo's all of'em showed low self esteem in that aspect because it just didn't take much to have sex with'em..all of'em was straight forward without any teasing or game playing..like most women do
i've also been with a couple pisces woman that was kinda whorish too, but they seemed more low key about it..but i think its a lil different with us since we're the same sign so we kinda connect and understand each other better..like one chick whom i planned on hitting and quitting, ended up being my gf for a while,lol




Wow what bullshit. Women can have sex with random people and not have low self-esteem. It can also be that they do. Either way, they're not wh0res/sluts/bitches. They just enjoy sex.
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now they may in fact NOT be whores, because whores get paid, and being promiscuous doesn't mean your a bitch, because any woman can easily be that..what's left? ahh yes, the SLUT..there's no way around that one,toots..regardless of how u may feel about yourself, in a man's eye, if you have sex with random dudes on a regular basis, you are indeed a slut..
any woman that has a lot of sex with many men is looked down apon in society,period..example:jenna jameson..she's a porn star, but i can see that she's smart and has a good head on her shoulders *ahem*, but at the end of the day, she's a porn star,lol..nobody really gives a damn about her or her thoughts..men just want to see her get fucked and wish they could fuck her..but thats the price you pay for fucking for a living..
oh and another example is Karrine Steffans (a.k.a "superhead") she's a mega slut and a whore..probably the biggest slut in all of entertainment history..she had sex with just about EVERY rapper in the industry...no real man with a little dignity would wife that woman, only a cornball would..and yeah, she's a virgo too
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Posted by DAMEN VI

now they may in fact NOT be whores, because whores get paid, and being promiscuous doesn't mean your a bitch, because any woman can easily be that..what's left? ahh yes, the SLUT..there's no way around that one,toots..regardless of how u may feel about yourself, in a man's eye, if you have sex with random dudes on a regular basis, you are indeed a slut..
any woman that has a lot of sex with many men is looked down apon in society,period..example:jenna jameson..she's a porn star, but i can see that she's smart and has a good head on her shoulders *ahem*, but at the end of the day, she's a porn star,lol..nobody really gives a damn about her or her thoughts..men just want to see her get fucked and wish they could fuck her..but thats the price you pay for fucking for a living..
oh and another example is Karrine Steffans (a.k.a "superhead") she's a mega slut and a whore..probably the biggest slut in all of entertainment history..she had sex with just about EVERY rapper in the industry...no real man with a little dignity would wife that woman, only a cornball would..and yeah, she's a virgo too



Your view of women is absolutely disgusting and ignorant. You're making generalizations for ALL men AND women. Also, by calling me "toots" you're trying to devalue what I'm saying, but it really just makes you look petty. Let me state that a lot of self-esteem issues are because of society, this is very true. Also, a woman is not defined by her job, INCLUDING porn stars and sex workers. Jenna Jameson and Karrine Steffans both are amazingly smart and strong women. Just because they have sex for a living doesn't mean they're wh0res or sluts or whatever word you want to use. Hell, no woman is. Those words are society's insecure bullshit trying to control women who aren't afraid of their sexuality. Lastly, if I sleep around and a guy judges me on it, fuck him I say, he doesn't deserve my time at all.
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I should specify, I meant to say "trying to control all women's sexuality".
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For the fact you defend yourself so vehemently ... makes you look insecure, toots.

Fact is, he's right ...

Women have low self-esteem based off of men, and men think easy pieces of pussy are sluts.

It is the way it is ....
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You are so busy defending yourself that you failed to grasp the message.

This comes from the other point of view ...
.... how you are viewed, not how you view yourself .... which you missed entirely
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I actually wasn't defending myself but rather the view of women's sexuality. I have no need to defend my own personal sexuality, and I merely offered one part of my personal feelings about self-esteem.
Fact is, he's not right. Your SELF-esteem is based from yourSELF, not men. If you let narrow minded opinions of yourself influence your own view of yourself, it's still on you.
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Not in my experience, no. *shrug*
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Posted by ceevee
I actually wasn't defending myself but rather the view of women's sexuality. I have no need to defend my own personal sexuality, and I merely offered one part of my personal feelings about self-esteem.
Fact is, he's not right. Your SELF-esteem is based from yourSELF, not men. If you let narrow minded opinions of yourself influence your own view of yourself, it's still on you.


I have a Virgo friend who will sleep with anyone. I don't think she has low-self esteem, she does seek approval, but basically she is just a slut. She calls herself a feminist, polyamorous... anything that gives her the green light to spread her legs. She doesn't expect a relationship with these men after... but if they asked, you best believe she would jump. The guys around her all like and respect her as a person but wouldn't touch her.... because she's slutty. Even her one nighters have told her she's too much of a player.
In fact, she just reconnect with some guy she had a one nighter with like 2 years ago. They've been chatting for 3 weeks now... he's bought her a plane ticket to his country, she's talking love and thinking he could be 'the one' to start a family with. I've heard this story from her before.
Now, does it matter what she thinks of herself if everyone around her thinks she's a slut? If she didn't care what others think... then no. But if she wants to settle down and find the 'one' she's gong to have to realize that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... people will draw their own conclusions.
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@shellshocker She is not a slut. She just sounds very misguided about what she wants and how to effectively get it. Of course, I don't know your friend so I don't want to speak for her.
@damen Every woman carries herself as a woman if she identifies as a woman. Also, maybe I should have been more clear, but I was not saying that I personally sleep around, and really it's none of your business anyway unless I broadcast it. What you're seeming to not understand is that it doesn't matter if a guy doesn't respect a woman because she has multiple partners. Women are not living to gain the respect of men. Women are not living for men. It's also pretty shallow of a man to judge a woman on her sexual partners. There is so much more to people then their past behaviors and sexual encounters.
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Iunno, Damen.. seems more of a predictable consequence with the type of women you attract or are attracted to, the company you obviously keep. Higher standards generally net higher results. *shrug*
In other words.. stop dealing with triflin' hoes and thinking they're the standard!
If you mostly deal with triflin' hoes, that might be why you think of most women (of a certain sign, age, occupation, etc - or whatever means you use to categorize them) as triflin' hoes. Stick to a better class of women, if you want to be shown a better class of women.
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P.S. - "Triflin' hoes" is interchangeable with any other term you're using for broad generalizations.. such as low-esteem, needy, crazy/psycho, manipulative.. even cheaters, liars, or users.
If you look around you and only see sewer rats.. move the fuck out of the sewer, before you decide the whole world must be a sewer and everyone a sewer rat Tongue
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Posted by ceevee
@shellshocker She is not a slut. She just sounds very misguided about what she wants and how to effectively get it. Of course, I don't know your friend so I don't want to speak for her.


Then what would you call her? Loose? Ok, she's loose then but the title is hardly the point. She has to make a choice... if she wants to play and fuck around; go for it! Men/women will continue to treat her like someone to play and fuck around with.
But if she wants to find someone who will respect and love her like a woman, then she has to start behaving like one. ie... close her legs and be more selective about who and what she lets up in there. It's not rocket science....
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P.S. - "Triflin' hoes" is interchangeable with any other term you're using for broad generalizations.. such as low-esteem, needy, crazy/psycho, manipulative.. even cheaters, liars, or users.
If you look around you and only see sewer rats.. move the fuck out of the sewer, before you decide the whole world must be a sewer and everyone a sewer rat Tongue


there is no magical place that has thousands apon thousands of intelligent, well balanced, wifey type ladies just walking around, waiting to get that ring..
its college girls and church going girls that are just as pathetic as the welfare chick who's living in the projects with 4 kids and 3 baby daddies..no matter where a person goes, it will still be "triflin hoes", its just on different levels..this rule applies to us men too just so you guys won't think im a bigot or something
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"there is no magical place that has thousands apon thousands of intelligent, well balanced, wifey type ladies just walking around, waiting to get that ring.."
Ahhh, but there is. It's called Earth, and it's FULL of incredible, fabulous women. Open your eyes and look around.
Something in you or about you is drawing/drawn to these types, which are NOT the standard. But if you can't see it because you never venture out of your comfort zone (Hoeville), no one can help you. If you lie with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
If they're ALL/MOST that bad.. look to the man in the mirror indeed. He's the only one you can change, and the only one you have any control over.
Such jaded youth makes me feel so sad Sad
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well for starters, im grown (early 30's), and im currently in a relationship(6 yrs)..all of my sexual encounters were from back in my mid teen to early 20's, so im basically speaking from that time frame..
but in general, i still don't trust none of you women..NONE..I don't give a damn if you grew up with mormons all ya life, i still wouldn't trust ya'll..especially a pisces woman..yeah i said it!..ya'll sneaky as fuck
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Posted by SweetLibra
Most men who have dealt with a lot of women they consider sluts or "loose", have done so because that's what they were looking for in the first place. It's easy to appeal to that sort of woman if you don't have anything to offer a quality woman. You have to bring yourself up to a certain level to attract more than "gutter hoes". And a good place to start is the language you use when referring to women.
Those women who are considered sluts or loose could benefit from a man who was strong enough to walk away from her instead of indulging in her "hot messness". And yes I know that's not a word smile If there weren't a lot of men eagerly waiting to take advantage there would be no sluts.


stop it.
how about if these women weren't so easy, maybe they could find a good man who would be more willing to show her some respect and treat her right??
but no, instead the chick gives up the main thing a man wants from her, and after years of going thru that, she becomes "scarred" and now she's nothing but a bitter chick thats out to misuse men because she got used..
and i notice its usually the so called nice,sweet dudes that usually become the victims of this scarred woman's evil intentions


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so "not trusting a person" = hate for women?? oh ok
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Posted by DAMEN VI
so "not trusting a person" = hate for women?? oh ok

You just seem very angry/bitter, thats all. And its pretty silly to make generalizations about entire groups of people. Whenever someone does that their argument immediately loses all credibility. I know some fabulous women, of all signs, and they are perfectly respectable ladies. And the few women that I do know who enjoy multiple or consecutive partners, do so w/o shame because they are mature, SINGLE, and responsible.

I dont disagree that there are plenty of self esteem lacking, bitter sluts walking around. But that label is not exclusive to Pisces and Virgos. Or even to women as a whole. There are some fucked up men walking around this bitch too. Im sorry you have been unlucky in your choices. Emphasis on *YOUR* choices.
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i didn't generalize a whole group of anybody..the topic was about something i read in a book, then when i gave examples of my own personal encounters, everybody became offended and made it personal..but its just like a woman to respond off of emotion rather than logic
and im not mad at all..i just go by the motto "love all, trust none"..and it definetly wasn't because of a bad relationship either..
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Posted by ceevee
I actually wasn't defending myself but rather the view of women's sexuality. I have no need to defend my own personal sexuality, and I merely offered one part of my personal feelings about self-esteem.
Fact is, he's not right. Your SELF-esteem is based from yourSELF, not men. If you let narrow minded opinions of yourself influence your own view of yourself, it's still on you.


SELF is the key word. LoL. P-Angel is trippin'.
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Soooooooooooooooo........how about them virgos and pisces? Do they have the lowest self-esteem or what? LoL
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Most men are intimidated by independent, confident women. Men are the ones who should be evaluated in low self-esteem. They carry around all this emotional constipation. Generally it seems that they go for what is easier to access.
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Posted by dreamer23
Be careful now. SOME men. Dont start a war. LOL


Hahahaha! I said, "most" and "generally". I knew to add those key words.
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Posted by dreamer23
Oh wait you said MOST. PHEW. Winking


Yea, Can you help me wipe MY brow as well? LoL
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Posted by SweetLibra

DAMEN is entitled to his opinion. But I wonder when he was younger and digging around in all of those "loose" women, how many women did he approach with the intention of sex and once turned down he just walked away from? If she said no, did you give the relationship a chance? Or did you kick her to the curb to find a loose woman who was putting out?


i was never turned down from sex,actually..some held out longer then others, but i eventually got what i wanted..
now what WOULD sometimes happen is that i'll talk to a girl for awhile on the phone, and depending on the type of vibe im getting, i'll stop pursuing her..
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Posted by Starfish225


Well to be honest you sound like your still in your 20's. Just trying to figure why are you still stuck on things that happen way back then. Have you not moved on already. Im guessing if your still caught up on stuff that far back you could not be having a productive relationship now. Jaded is what its called. Meaning if you met a decoent woman you wouldnt know anyway..Hmmmm #foodforthought!!


why should i believe that everything have changed from my teenaged and mid 20 yrs?? onlything changed is that i got older, but that don't mean those types of people no longer exist..
and my relationship is fine..it ain't the greatest, but it sure as hell isn't the worst..the reoson why im with her is because she don't carry herself like hoe, she's the true housewife type..and you know you can't change a hoe into a housewife..its impossible..many have tried and failed..
and my trust none motto comes from a political prisoner, LARRY HOOVER..its the G code, live by it die by it
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if i did, i'll love her to death..unless she strayed and became a hooker or a porn star..then i'd disown her without question
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Posted by DAMEN VI
my sister had a book about women and their zodiac signs(called "sex signs" by judith bennett), and it listed certain traits about all of'em..and only virgo and pisces had low self esteem listed in theirs..(cancer had medium self esteem thou)
so whats the deal? is it some truth to that or what?




ARIES has the lowest self-esteem TREND in both males and females.
( Don't mistake their arrogance for high self-esteem )
( Just because a pisces CAN be used as a doormat does not mean they have
low self esteem - they may just wish to avoid CONFLICT and go with the flow.
Just because a Virgo gets seduced by the occult and is a closet tramp
does not mean they have low self-esteem - has more to do with trying to hard
to be prim and proper in public - whereas they let loose behind closed doors. )
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Posted by Nemesis
damen, i hope you become the father of a beautiful daugther.


I'm going to laugh at this, even if you weren't trying to be funny. I got something else out of it. Hahahahahaha!
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Posted by SweetLibra

So the vibe determined if you put any effort into it or not? And could that vibe have been whether or not you thought she was putting out or not? And if she did put out, how soon was too soon for you as to make you throw her into the slut pile?


yea some of'em really wanted the relationship thing, and at the time i wasn't trying to be commited, but at the sametime, she probably didn't look that good anyway,lol..because back then, if a good looking chick was holding out, i'd probably play the game with her..
and a woman's character will also determine if she's a slut or not in my book..not only on how fast she gave it up..like if we really didn't have no connection on anything other then sex, then yeah, you're a slut because i'll assume that im not the only guy you've been like this with..
but don't get me wrong..I DO NOT HATE SLUTS..i think they're great, i also enjoyed passing them off to my friends because it really ain't no fun if the homies can't have none smile
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Posted by DAMEN VI
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well for starters, im grown (early 30's), and im currently in a relationship(6 yrs)..all of my sexual encounters were from back in my mid teen to early 20's, so im basically speaking from that time frame..
but in general, i still don't trust none of you women..NONE..I don't give a damn if you grew up with mormons all ya life, i still wouldn't trust ya'll..especially a pisces woman..yeah i said it!..ya'll sneaky as fuck

And therein lies the issue. You wasted your time making a post about Pisces and Virgos. You should have just said I HATE WOMEN. Poor thing.
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He didn't describe hatred .. therein lies why he doesn't trust women.

How can a man say anything to a female, when she twists his words?
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Women will deny what is being said here ... and then go on facebook and fight over a man
Women will deny .... and then come in here frantic because a guy looked at her last week, he wont' look at her now ... and is she suppose to do because he is her soulmate?

We see it daily in dxp. A woman who would do those ^^^^^ things has little, if any, self-esteem. And the fact that individual women in here say it's not true of them in particular .. it is true, generally speaking, as we go from room to room in here and witness women, on a mass scale, totally disrepect themselves by calling an abusive relationship, love.
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Posted by P-Angel
Fact is, he's right ...

Women have low self-esteem based off of men, and men think easy pieces of pussy are sluts.

It is the way it is ....


Posted by ceevee
Fact is, he's not right. Your SELF-esteem is based from yourSELF, not men. If you let narrow minded opinions of yourself influence your own view of yourself, it's still on you.

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Not only was he right by what he said ... you all proved it by arguing that it doesnt' matter what a man thinks, to a man who said it.

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I think that pisces women issues with self-esteem develop from how they were raised and the type of environments they were raised in. When I was younger I did have some self-esteem issues but I think every teenager experiences that, male or female. However, all virgos I have met have self-esteem issues that they cover up with strong egos...the insecurity in them can be seen the most in their relationships...the women seem, and this could be interpreted wrong, to do anything just to keep a man around....even when its clearly obvious that the man does not want them or is no good for them....they have these constant voices in their heard saying "what is wrong with me" or "why am I not good enough"...they do mouth off to their men...but they always stay in the end or go back...which goes back to the insecurity issue...pisces women, usually, when we leave, we leave for good however, I must say that I have seen pisces women endure some tortuous relationships but I am not sure if its more of a 'loving to be the victim' issue more so than low self-esteem....just my opinion from what I have observed
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I had a Virgo friend. Never again. They have real problems, are very intimidated by confident women like Scorpio, Leo, and Sagittarius.
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