gun rights ...

This topic was created in the Politics forum by Cancan26 on Friday, May 25, 2018 and has 17 replies.
first of all let me say ... I am a gun owner ... (pending this weekend, Imma sell it) I have a permit, I know how to take it apart, how to clean it, how to shoot it ... but they (who ever they is) can come pick my shit up ...

Im just gonna tell you the truth

at what point does my "right" to own a gun out weight the lives of the C H I L D R E N are killed in school shootings...

also

this is gonna sound fucked up to say out loud to another soul...I dont' care tho ..I don't feel like black people have gun rights ANYWAY ...we are allowed to purchase guns, we are allowed to have permits ... but ... lets be real ...

if we did Philando Castile would still fucking be here ...he did everything right ...



Siwatu-Salama Ra (a pregnant black women defending herself and her child) with a fucking permit wouldn't have gotten time in prison

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/4/17311452/gun-rights-black-lives-matter-michigan-siwatu-salama-ra

why didn't the NRA advocate for her right...

man fuck this and I don't care if this thread made you mad ..Im fucking mad too ...
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I myself am not a gun owner, I grew up around them but I have never thought to have one. I understand that people want to have them and yes that is their right. But its obvious at least in the US, the shit the way it is NOT working. I asked that after the Vegas shooting. When is enough, enough.

I don't get involved much in the threads here about guns/crimes/politics mainly because it typically turns into a 'I'm right, your wrong" argument and rarely anything constructive comes from it.

why is it okay for concert goers to not come home to family and friends

why is it okay for children to die and not come home.

why is it okay for an innocent person to lose a life because someone overreacted

Why is it okay for a child to have to have a bullet proof backpack to make it home from school as a solution

there is a major problem and some backwards thinking in the fact that people are so hell bent on keeping their rights to own something that inflicts so much pain in the world. The constitution was written during a time when weapons had zero capability to what they do today. it needs to be updated and go along with the weapons that have changed.



I just don't understand Sad

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Guns scare ppl. Guns scare cops.

Nobody wants to die. Ppl panic easily.. quickly.

It's normal.

It was foolish for him to say he has a gun.

It was a traffic stop... The cop didn't need to know that at that time. All it it did was tighten his assistant cheeks and give him an ichy trigger finger.
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I remember when that story came out last year or the year prior about Philando. Still breaks my heart til this day.

He told them he had a permit to carry and conceal. He verbalized it to the officer the whole time. Told them he was reaching for his license. As you are trained to do if you have a permit. Verbalize you have a permit to carry, and to announce it. As well as announcing they you are reaching for your ID, just as he did. But within a half second after he announces he will be getting his ID, the officer immediately opened fire on him, killing him.

This immediate fight or flight response is troublesome for someone who is suppose to protect and serve the community.
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Posted by LittleStar
Posted by Weeds
Guns scare ppl. Guns scare cops.
Nobody wants to die. Ppl panic easily.. quickly.
It's normal.
It was foolish for him to say he has a gun.
It was a traffic stop... The cop didn't need to know that at that time. All it it did was tighten his assistant cheeks and give him an ichy trigger finger.


It’s not foolish to say you have a gun. It’s what you are supposed to do when you have a conceal carry? click to expand
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They can find that shit when they search you. And will find out if it's legal or not.

You must not had very many run ins with cops.. because there are unwritten rules you learn quick. You learn how to act and you learn what not to say EVEN IF YOUR IN THE RIGHT.

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Posted by capitalism
I much rather have that butter so if someone goes shooting up a restaurant that I'm at or goes breaking into my home I can blast that SOB.

Yet those acts of heroism never happen. They only happen in the heads of gunowners with hero complex
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Posted by solidsnake
This country was built on violence. The natives nearly wiped out, the Americans against British imperialism, Africans enslaved, global colonization of resources, destruction of earth from pollution.

The world is at war. It’s just not at ur doorstep yet. Guns ain’t goin nowhere
Maybe one day when humans evolve or wiped out.
Violence is in the soil, blood of souls.
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Posted by LittleStar
Posted by Weeds
Posted by LittleStar
Posted by Weeds
Guns scare ppl. Guns scare cops.
Nobody wants to die. Ppl panic easily.. quickly.
It's normal.
It was foolish for him to say he has a gun.
It was a traffic stop... The cop didn't need to know that at that time. All it it did was tighten his assistant cheeks and give him an ichy trigger finger.



It’s not foolish to say you have a gun. It’s what you are supposed to do when you have a conceal carry? click to expand



They can find that butter when they search you. And will find out if it's legal or not.
You must not had very many run ins with cops.. because there are unwritten rules you learn quick. You learn how to act and you learn what not to say EVEN IF YOUR IN THE RIGHT.

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My father has a concealed carry and he’s been pulled over and always announces and he doesn’t get shot at. Cuz he isn’t black. click to expand
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Next time record him doing that because I have questions.
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Posted by Weeds
Posted by LittleStar
Posted by Weeds
Guns scare ppl. Guns scare cops.
Nobody wants to die. Ppl panic easily.. quickly.
It's normal.
It was foolish for him to say he has a gun.
It was a traffic stop... The cop didn't need to know that at that time. All it it did was tighten his assistant cheeks and give him an ichy trigger finger.



It’s not foolish to say you have a gun. It’s what you are supposed to do when you have a conceal carry? click to expand


They can find that shit when they search you. And will find out if it's legal or not.
You must not had very many run ins with cops.. because there are unwritten rules you learn quick. You learn how to act and you learn what not to say EVEN IF YOUR IN THE RIGHT.

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My husband says it when he is stopped.

However, one late night coming home from work, these "club goers" of gang members shot at his car. He was very tempted to shoot back but he knew his gun would kill them all and he saw a women in the back seat. I cried. His sympathy or gentlemen ways could have cost him his life. He did call the police. They found the bullets in the store across the street.
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Switzerland has more guns per person than the US does. Like, significantly more. Gun culture is STRONG over there.

And yet, when's the last time we've heard about a school shooting there...

I just hate this conversation always ends in those two extreme narratives:

Ban ALL GUNS vs Gun rights more important than kids lives

Theres a happy medium and its been successfully enacted in places like germany, switzerland, etc. etc.

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Posted by capitalism
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Posted by capitalism
I much rather have that butter so if someone goes shooting up a restaurant that I'm at or goes breaking into my home I can blast that SOB.




Yet those acts of heroism never happen. They only happen in the heads of gunowners with hero complex click to expand


I believe this was yesterday?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/us/oklahoma-city-shooting/index.html click to expand
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So, once? Compared to say the number of school shootings
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#1 killer of teens is suicide. But school funding is being slashed every day. Adding another school counselor isn't gonna help and isn't in the budget.

IMO we need to beef up school security. Have trained professionals (NOT TEACHERS) on site to contain the situation that will, does, and WILL CONTINUE to arise.

Cause metal health access is a joke in this country and while its the most sustainable solution...I don't see it happening anytime soon for us. Not with the monkeys in charge of our countries funds atm.

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Posted by LadyNeptune
Switzerland has more guns per person than the US does. Like, significantly more. Gun culture is STRONG over there.

And yet, when's the last time we've heard about a school shooting there...

I just hate this conversation always ends in those two extreme narratives:
Ban ALL GUNS vs Gun rights more important than kids lives

Theres a happy medium and its been successfully enacted in places like germany, switzerland, etc. etc.



There have been examples of mateiarchal societies aswell but it does not mean it's a good representation of how the world spins in reality
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sorry I didn't response early to anyone ...I made the thread when I was frustrated and I wanted to calmed down before I responded to anyone

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Posted by capitalism
I don't know how selling your gun is going to change anything...
its the only thing that I know as an individual I can do ... Im frustrated that every 3 months I see these school shooting and its just feel like ...is any of it worth it? ...if that was my kid would it still be worth it? I dunno ...
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Posted by capitalism
I much rather have that shit so if someone goes shooting up a restaurant that I'm at or goes breaking into my home I can blast that SOB.

thats another thing that really bothers me ...even though I have a gun for protection ...Im not sure that the law would ever back me up Sad

even though I live in a red state

even though I have a carry permit

even though we have a stand your ground law ...

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Posted by capitalism
I don't understand what you think giving up your guns are going to do?
People that want to have guns will still get guns and use them but only now you don't have a way to defend yourself.
Going to rely of a police officer? Good luck with that and you gave a great example above where they were in a situation where they didn't act.

honestly I feel like your damn if you do damn if you don't Sad
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