Let's Discuss....
This topic was created in the Politics forum by Lazlow on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 and has 43 replies.
the video of the Pentagon being struck, that was released last week. What did you all think? Did that look like a Boeing 757 to you? All I saw was a quick dark streak followed by an explosion. Here's a video that shows the footage about midway in the video. www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm ....as you will see that video was from a surveillance camera at a nearby gas station. Now why didn't the Government release a better video than this? They would have to have surveillance cameras everywhere around the Pentagon, heck it's probably the most protected building in the country. But yet, all we get is a lousy gas station video that was supposed to "silence the skeptics," but ultimately proved nothing.
But also besides the Pentagon, the demolition like collapse of the Twin Towers is what made most people start to wonder if this was an inside job. When I saw the first tower fall, I thought "that's odd". But I dismissed it because I really didn't understand that much about it. But after the towers fell the concrete was reduced to a fine dust much like a the aftermath of a controlled demolition. Then there was Buliding 7 which wasn't hit by anything. Yet it just collapse out of the blue. POOF! Also, supposedly there were Israelis who were celebrating after seeing the planes hit.
On the flip side, many families say that their family members died on those planes and if this is a massive conspiracy by the Gov't there would have to have been many players involved which no one has squealed. But still, there are many unanswered questions about 9/11 that were ignored by the media and the 9/11 Commission.
But also besides the Pentagon, the demolition like collapse of the Twin Towers is what made most people start to wonder if this was an inside job. When I saw the first tower fall, I thought "that's odd". But I dismissed it because I really didn't understand that much about it. But after the towers fell the concrete was reduced to a fine dust much like a the aftermath of a controlled demolition. Then there was Buliding 7 which wasn't hit by anything. Yet it just collapse out of the blue. POOF! Also, supposedly there were Israelis who were celebrating after seeing the planes hit.
On the flip side, many families say that their family members died on those planes and if this is a massive conspiracy by the Gov't there would have to have been many players involved which no one has squealed. But still, there are many unanswered questions about 9/11 that were ignored by the media and the 9/11 Commission.
Hello laz..
Long time no see?you talking about taboo stuff..?? I am 9-11 (conspiracy expert..)? Ask and you shall receive...
I drove a Z3 at 230 km pr hour many times in autobahns between Hamburg and Bremerhaven in Germany.. do you know how its look like?? I am proud of myself to have a nerve to do this? now imagine a passenger jet at speed of 800 km pr hour in hand of (unreliable supposedly terrorist pilot) 1 meter above the ground and direct hit on pentagon?!
It is BULLSHIT?!!
Long time no see?you talking about taboo stuff..?? I am 9-11 (conspiracy expert..)? Ask and you shall receive...
I drove a Z3 at 230 km pr hour many times in autobahns between Hamburg and Bremerhaven in Germany.. do you know how its look like?? I am proud of myself to have a nerve to do this? now imagine a passenger jet at speed of 800 km pr hour in hand of (unreliable supposedly terrorist pilot) 1 meter above the ground and direct hit on pentagon?!
It is BULLSHIT?!!
And somebody please tell me... convince me?
About the first video on 9/11 twin towers?. Who took those frames? So early at 9:00 AM in NY. Taking video at the exact time..?... Even Satan won't believe this let alone GOD? so the video shooter must have previous knowledge... to be there? at the exact time..
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
many of those links may not work because of the censor.. FREE AMERICA ??..lol
About the first video on 9/11 twin towers?. Who took those frames? So early at 9:00 AM in NY. Taking video at the exact time..?... Even Satan won't believe this let alone GOD? so the video shooter must have previous knowledge... to be there? at the exact time..
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
many of those links may not work because of the censor.. FREE AMERICA ??..lol
Q the rense.com link that you gave seemed to support the official story from the Gov't, or maybe I wasn't reading it right.
Here is a video talking a little about the filmers. http://www.freepressinternational.com/911-great-conspiracy-video.html ...They said it was a French film crew.???
I'm not saying that I'm completely sold. But so many of the things that happened that day at The Pentagon and The WTC seem to completely defy the laws of Physics. So the family members of the victim deserve some answers.
Here is a video talking a little about the filmers. http://www.freepressinternational.com/911-great-conspiracy-video.html ...They said it was a French film crew.???
I'm not saying that I'm completely sold. But so many of the things that happened that day at The Pentagon and The WTC seem to completely defy the laws of Physics. So the family members of the victim deserve some answers.
LOL The supposed pancake theory is load of crap! The buildings would NOT have fallen as quickly as they did if the the floors pancaked on top of each other like that. In fact if a basketball had been dropped off of the tower it would have hit the ground at the same time as the top of the building.
"The towers were structurally designed to fail the way it did"
Designed to fall after being hit by a plane? Riiiiight!
But even if this pancake theory were true. Then that wouldn't explain Building 7 which wasn't hit by anything yet it just collapsed out of the blue. It wasn't designed the same way as the twin towers either.
BTW if you look at the last paragraph of my first post. I pointed out that there were holes in this theory. But I believe there are more holes in the government's official story. In the last I heard, a slight majority of Americans don't believe the government's story. And I'll say it, I could be completely wrong and this could all be true. I'm still not going to sit like a sheep and ignore this smoking gun. As an American it is our duty to question the government. We supported the War in Iraq without question and now look where that got us? The war is being dragged out almost as long as WWII.
A google search on Operation Northwoods is recommended.
"The towers were structurally designed to fail the way it did"
Designed to fall after being hit by a plane? Riiiiight!
But even if this pancake theory were true. Then that wouldn't explain Building 7 which wasn't hit by anything yet it just collapsed out of the blue. It wasn't designed the same way as the twin towers either.
BTW if you look at the last paragraph of my first post. I pointed out that there were holes in this theory. But I believe there are more holes in the government's official story. In the last I heard, a slight majority of Americans don't believe the government's story. And I'll say it, I could be completely wrong and this could all be true. I'm still not going to sit like a sheep and ignore this smoking gun. As an American it is our duty to question the government. We supported the War in Iraq without question and now look where that got us? The war is being dragged out almost as long as WWII.
A google search on Operation Northwoods is recommended.
DB..
Your base knowledge about those incidents are both childish and common ? you don?t need birds eye.. lol.. even dogs eye can tell you the truth if you get your mind off from the patriotic and emotional view..
See it from technical view... if you ever had a basic knowledge about metallurgy you would have known that the reinforced steel melting and bending at 1600C... jet fuels could only producing 400C e.g. not even enough to bend the Iron let alone steel?.. then the smoke produced by the jet fuel and those burning materials could easily suffocate the fire thus reducing the temperature in matter of 1 hour? both towers gave it up in mater of hour? completely.. to you and ordinary people.. it was a "shock and awe" in one hour experience.. conducted and constructed by master minds from the US government and not couple of lousy fictional Arabs at 800Km per hour.
Then?. Those jets.. completely absorbed by the structure (if you review those first movies).
E.g. Not penetrating (like rockets) just absorbed?..
60 -70 years ago? a bomber hit the empire state by mistake the structure still there with out significant damage?
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
The other observation is those towers fell on their foot prints completely producing "fine dust" and not breaking away from the point they got hit..
For your reference a hotel in Spain had the same fate couple of years ago, but burned in 3 days and its steel structure never failed..
Check this out..
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/127902.php
That is why the rest of the world laughing at Americans, lack of knowledge and easy believer for their war machine propaganda
Structures like this are designed to NOT giving up to even 7 Richter Earthquake, but they did in this particular incident. With the couple of passenger jets?!
Your base knowledge about those incidents are both childish and common ? you don?t need birds eye.. lol.. even dogs eye can tell you the truth if you get your mind off from the patriotic and emotional view..
See it from technical view... if you ever had a basic knowledge about metallurgy you would have known that the reinforced steel melting and bending at 1600C... jet fuels could only producing 400C e.g. not even enough to bend the Iron let alone steel?.. then the smoke produced by the jet fuel and those burning materials could easily suffocate the fire thus reducing the temperature in matter of 1 hour? both towers gave it up in mater of hour? completely.. to you and ordinary people.. it was a "shock and awe" in one hour experience.. conducted and constructed by master minds from the US government and not couple of lousy fictional Arabs at 800Km per hour.
Then?. Those jets.. completely absorbed by the structure (if you review those first movies).
E.g. Not penetrating (like rockets) just absorbed?..
60 -70 years ago? a bomber hit the empire state by mistake the structure still there with out significant damage?
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
The other observation is those towers fell on their foot prints completely producing "fine dust" and not breaking away from the point they got hit..
For your reference a hotel in Spain had the same fate couple of years ago, but burned in 3 days and its steel structure never failed..
Check this out..
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/127902.php
That is why the rest of the world laughing at Americans, lack of knowledge and easy believer for their war machine propaganda
Structures like this are designed to NOT giving up to even 7 Richter Earthquake, but they did in this particular incident. With the couple of passenger jets?!
Then you were talking about this propaganda movie, is that your base knowledge..?? all you know about that unfaithful day and this passenger jet base on movie..??
Naw? its because they've constructed that movie in the way that people like you would believe in that crap?..metal detectors? those cutters are made of metal right..?? then how they get on board..?? I means? I have travelled a lot by jet passengers.. and my only problem is my cigarette lighter (made of gold) as lucky charm..
Wouldn?t they detect those cutters before they get on board....?? even before 9/11 it wasn?t allowed to get a single pocket knife on board..
Naw? its because they've constructed that movie in the way that people like you would believe in that crap?..metal detectors? those cutters are made of metal right..?? then how they get on board..?? I means? I have travelled a lot by jet passengers.. and my only problem is my cigarette lighter (made of gold) as lucky charm..
Wouldn?t they detect those cutters before they get on board....?? even before 9/11 it wasn?t allowed to get a single pocket knife on board..
Hehe? buildings and structures is one of my early studies but, if you thinking of Google.. Then why don't you get your ass to study it first (at least reading about it) before you get in to discussion..??
Luz greetings, WTC was attacked on 9/11 by terrorist. The only thing that did not come out was we shot down the plain in penn heading for the pentagon Just my opine. It had to be done. We have been under attack by forigen nut cases going back into the 1960's. Its time we got our heads out of our aris and do some of the things we are doing now. Yes I am for giant bug zapers at the boarder.
Another great Idea I had was for mexico to give american Ag a bunch of land to raise crops on then the AG business could keep the people at home and pay them in U.S. dollars. The Mexico gov could tax the people and pocket most of the money and keep promising a better for there people.
Back to 9/11
We have a lot of nut cases on the right and the left but they are not so nutty as to kill abunch of there own countiremen to start a war.
Or would they?
Another great Idea I had was for mexico to give american Ag a bunch of land to raise crops on then the AG business could keep the people at home and pay them in U.S. dollars. The Mexico gov could tax the people and pocket most of the money and keep promising a better for there people.
Back to 9/11
We have a lot of nut cases on the right and the left but they are not so nutty as to kill abunch of there own countiremen to start a war.
Or would they?
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are you OPEN MINDED????
I believe one has to study things before the attempt to support or appose others view and ideas?.
In your case kid? you've been zapped by a stupid movie designed for stupid minds..
Congratulations.. glad that you enjoyed the show?
Tell me? why Universal studio remove the movie forum and apologizing for the false information..??
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/040506admitsdefeat.htm
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68f.html
In your case kid? you've been zapped by a stupid movie designed for stupid minds..
Congratulations.. glad that you enjoyed the show?
Tell me? why Universal studio remove the movie forum and apologizing for the false information..??
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/040506admitsdefeat.htm
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68f.html
And who said that I care for what you say lamer..??
Lazlow post was to discuss the matter, not to argue the matter? sorry for your stupidity its not my fault kid.. blame it on the society you live in?.
Kiss more ass? it wont makes you wiser, but at least you'll be in acceptable range?
Lazlow post was to discuss the matter, not to argue the matter? sorry for your stupidity its not my fault kid.. blame it on the society you live in?.
Kiss more ass? it wont makes you wiser, but at least you'll be in acceptable range?
I told you? those who study the structure and buildings would have some knowledge about the metal type they are using as building materials..
Then the safety factor?..
The type you use in constructing the skyscrapers must have a same value or else buildings that tall would fail in early stages?
So?. What the hell are you talking about kid..?? different value..??
Now?. An uneducated retard like you call me like 15 years old mind, what an honour?
Lol?
Then the safety factor?..
The type you use in constructing the skyscrapers must have a same value or else buildings that tall would fail in early stages?
So?. What the hell are you talking about kid..?? different value..??
Now?. An uneducated retard like you call me like 15 years old mind, what an honour?
Lol?
The topic is not about my personal hate of America?..
Is about the facts that been hiding from the most Americans..
Honestly.. would you believe I waste my time to hate America and its residence..??
Think again..
LOL?
You are not as important as you think you are?. Americans?!!
Is about the facts that been hiding from the most Americans..
Honestly.. would you believe I waste my time to hate America and its residence..??
Think again..
LOL?
You are not as important as you think you are?. Americans?!!
Life of a cockroach in middle of the dessert is more important to me, than your American way of life..
Trust me on that? kid
Trust me on that? kid
To learn English Is not an education, is like other languages to learn (as a hobby)..!
I am sure when it comes to my own language? you will be counted 1000x as retard as you are now with your English?
Stick to the topic or else shut the hell up..
I am sure when it comes to my own language? you will be counted 1000x as retard as you are now with your English?
Stick to the topic or else shut the hell up..
Laslow
There is a movie called "loose change".. try to find it on the net..(nowadays because of the American censor its pretty hard to find it)? and if you find it try to watch it as fast a you can, or else it'll be removed from that site too..
So good luck?
There is a movie called "loose change".. try to find it on the net..(nowadays because of the American censor its pretty hard to find it)? and if you find it try to watch it as fast a you can, or else it'll be removed from that site too..
So good luck?
DB..
the failing metals is not because of the temperature from the jet fuel? it was from demolition (that'll explain the fine dust) after building collapse
Then the use of thermite to weaken the steel structure at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
all in all? it wasn?t the jet impact and couple of Arabs.. it was pre programmed act by Americans to Americas?
even a wooden horse would have know? why don?t you..??
the failing metals is not because of the temperature from the jet fuel? it was from demolition (that'll explain the fine dust) after building collapse
Then the use of thermite to weaken the steel structure at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
all in all? it wasn?t the jet impact and couple of Arabs.. it was pre programmed act by Americans to Americas?
even a wooden horse would have know? why don?t you..??
"MAX temperature...700 to 800 degree C... steel begins to deform at 425...and loses half it's strength at 650...but b/c of saftey factors...it could take it...but the uneven deformation...b/c the fire wasn't constant over the whole area...caused stresses that eventually failed..."
Then the building would tip over from where the get hit.. and not collapsing on their foot print..
See the point..??
Then the building would tip over from where the get hit.. and not collapsing on their foot print..
See the point..??
Loose change?
http://www.question911.com/links.php
hope the serves still working
http://www.question911.com/links.php
hope the serves still working
"just tell me the motive...What is the reason for it?"
As Americans you asking me for the motives..??... hmm? don?t make me laugh, the motives are very simple and everyone knew that it would happen couple of years before 9/11( well not in form of wtc.. but actually worse than that) and it is right in front of your eyes, you just need to give up your blind patriotism to see it?
As Americans you asking me for the motives..??... hmm? don?t make me laugh, the motives are very simple and everyone knew that it would happen couple of years before 9/11( well not in form of wtc.. but actually worse than that) and it is right in front of your eyes, you just need to give up your blind patriotism to see it?
I told you a hotel burned in Spain couple of years ago for 3 days and never collapsed..
Tell me.. why didn't those highjackers hit the nuclear reactors ..?? and choose WTC instead..?? if their motives were destructions..??
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Ah the motives??
This site should give a very, very basic info..
http://www.nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=closed_minds_on_911
Attack on symbols only comes from the same people with the same mind, terrorist act is to create a terror with highly damaging effects both on lives and materials.
This site should give a very, very basic info..
http://www.nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=closed_minds_on_911
Attack on symbols only comes from the same people with the same mind, terrorist act is to create a terror with highly damaging effects both on lives and materials.
Found it? at last?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change
watch the movie then talk?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change
watch the movie then talk?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
this documents shows the mischief of American politics, as you read more.. you'll know they wont hesitate to do things even on their own countrymen?
it is one of the 10,000,000 legitimate evidence for their insidious motivations..!!
this documents shows the mischief of American politics, as you read more.. you'll know they wont hesitate to do things even on their own countrymen?
it is one of the 10,000,000 legitimate evidence for their insidious motivations..!!
3000 is a death toll for a highway accidents in month?. You kidding me..?
Another thing? you just blindingly defend your position?.. each of those sites I showed here require at least an hour for reading and analysing..
You ranting..
You ranting..
I told you as well that I am not here to give you information about "their motives", but if you stop being stubborn those sites I provided here could easily gives you some insight, then you are on your own for your further researches about this matter.. whether you want to believe it or not its depends on you
In the mean time? it would have been beneficial to track this bastard name as larry silverstein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html
which gives you more info about the motivations..
LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html
which gives you more info about the motivations..
LOL
"I am not arguing the mischief of politicians..."
And your LOL after that..
Don?t you thing what ever they deciding to do has an dire impacts on other people lives (mostly out side of US borders)..?
Its not LOL?. its damn tragic? and consequently your politician actions will change the world wide opinion about US and its false legend..
Lets LOL not and take things seriously..
And your LOL after that..
Don?t you thing what ever they deciding to do has an dire impacts on other people lives (mostly out side of US borders)..?
Its not LOL?. its damn tragic? and consequently your politician actions will change the world wide opinion about US and its false legend..
Lets LOL not and take things seriously..
thing= think
I know nothing about this building number seven...lol...but this theory is ridiculus...So you are telling me they rammed the two planes in the WTC Towers...BUT, before all of this...they rigged the two towers with dynomite...to implode the towers...but decided they should also take down building 7...I mean mind as well... the people won't notice...*shakes head*
I am more proned to believe that the shear size of the buildings falling caused an equake effect that brought down the building...
Buildings are not built to just tip over...So call it the pancake THEORY if you want...I don't need to prove what happened...you are the one with the theory...prove to me that it did...I just expected you to have common sense...
Or maybe the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was intended for Building 7.
But DB, What I am saying is if the floors pancaked on top of each other there would have had to have been some resistance between each floor. Whether it be a second or 1/2 second. Those buildings do not fall as quickly as they did. I am using common sense DB and common sense tells me that the Bush Administration is full of $ hit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods ....happy reading.
I am more proned to believe that the shear size of the buildings falling caused an equake effect that brought down the building...
Buildings are not built to just tip over...So call it the pancake THEORY if you want...I don't need to prove what happened...you are the one with the theory...prove to me that it did...I just expected you to have common sense...
Or maybe the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was intended for Building 7.
But DB, What I am saying is if the floors pancaked on top of each other there would have had to have been some resistance between each floor. Whether it be a second or 1/2 second. Those buildings do not fall as quickly as they did. I am using common sense DB and common sense tells me that the Bush Administration is full of $ hit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods ....happy reading.
" Well I guess you consider 3,000 as small number of people..."
One more thing to remember..
WTC with at least 20-30000 visitors a day had a death toll of 3000 including the people on board those passenger jets and casualties of fire fighters and police men..?!
Aint it miracle that they've managed to evacuate those buildings in less than an hour?.??
Beside? 3000 on WTC?. After 3 years of illegal war on terror the death toll of American soldiers get near to that point let alone more than 200-300,000 death both on Afghan and Iraqis nations that have been subjected to this idiocy and LIE called war on error? err terror?.
Wise up man?. If one day they want to get even with Americans? how much you guys going to pay for murdering those innocent kids/mothers and fathers..??
Say 300,000 for the revenge of 3000?. Then revenge of 300,000 death will be 30,000,000..??
Where the hell is going to get ended..?? suit yourself.. I am not living there?!
One more thing to remember..
WTC with at least 20-30000 visitors a day had a death toll of 3000 including the people on board those passenger jets and casualties of fire fighters and police men..?!
Aint it miracle that they've managed to evacuate those buildings in less than an hour?.??
Beside? 3000 on WTC?. After 3 years of illegal war on terror the death toll of American soldiers get near to that point let alone more than 200-300,000 death both on Afghan and Iraqis nations that have been subjected to this idiocy and LIE called war on error? err terror?.
Wise up man?. If one day they want to get even with Americans? how much you guys going to pay for murdering those innocent kids/mothers and fathers..??
Say 300,000 for the revenge of 3000?. Then revenge of 300,000 death will be 30,000,000..??
Where the hell is going to get ended..?? suit yourself.. I am not living there?!
Ladydane..
You are right about this? but on the other hand? they are producing things/news in a way that most Americans love/wish to hear it?
You are right about this? but on the other hand? they are producing things/news in a way that most Americans love/wish to hear it?
I love this, page after page of the boner and the dancing queen fighting it out, its like a sope you can leave for years and pick it right up again.
lmao....Dancing queen.... I like that..
Didn?t know to like or dislike things has to do something with the higher education...
and yes.... it was hilarious....!
and yes.... it was hilarious....!
Here is your Mr. Commander in chief and cheer up?. When your (legally) elected president is so stupid?you must have a nerve to criticize others..!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=160081421698061351&q=bush
Dancing queen?.!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=160081421698061351&q=bush
Dancing queen?.!
O bone one sick puppy, or misled dog coming from norway, sick sick little puppy
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