My country is getting occupied by Russian military this year.

This topic was created in the Politics forum by TheGreatSearcher on Sunday, January 15, 2017 and has 56 replies.
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Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
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Posted by cvurko
For now the possibility of that happening is low. I think u guys are safe unless sth unpredicted happens.
With Obama, yes.


But with Trump lifting sanctions on Russia and treating Putin like a Jesus, I think the Russian military will have their way and invade the Baltic States (after U.S. withdraw their troops and ignore the problem along with UK or any other states). Tillerson is Putin's personal friend and I don't think he would support Article V, despite saying he would do so. The entire thing depends on whether or not Mattis will agree with them. I don't feel safe, especially with several hundred thousand Russian soldiers with dozens of tanks and helicopters being located few miles away from the border of my country. For all I know, they can just turn their weekly military drill around and march into this place. There is no way the Baltic states can be defended with a few thousand soldiers and around 10k volunteers.

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What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

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Posted by Qbone
What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

Do you think Baltic States wouldn't be occupied if it weren't for the fact that they are a part of NATO? I think the forces which are stationed here guarantee that Russians can't occupy these 3 sovereign states without consequences.


Former Yugoslavia was not a part of USSR but functioned as a communist state.
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Posted by cvurko
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by cvurko
For now the possibility of that happening is low. I think u guys are safe unless sth unpredicted happens.
With Obama, yes.


But with Trump lifting sanctions on Russia and treating Putin like a Jesus, I think the Russian military will have their way and invade the Baltic States (after U.S. withdraw their troops and ignore the problem along with UK or any other states). Tillerson is Putin's personal friend and I don't think he would support Article V, despite saying he would do so. The entire thing depends on whether or not Mattis will agree with them. I don't feel safe, especially with several hundred thousand Russian soldiers with dozens of tanks and helicopters being located few miles away from the border of my country. For all I know, they can just turn their weekly military drill around and march into this place. There is no way the Baltic states can be defended with a few thousand soldiers and around 10k volunteers.

Nah, i understand your fear but i dont think russia will invade any of the baltic states this year. ^^
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Well, the difference is that NATO won't interfere in case of a Russian invasion, just like western nations didn't do anything in 1939 and 1944/45 when Eastern Europe was being occupied by USSR. The history might not repeat itself, but it certainly rhymes.
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Where are you from? I'm from Estonia myself.


Yeah, I also think that Trump don't give a shit about Baltic states, but I still think there is no need to be afraid.
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Posted by cvurko
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by cvurko
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by cvurko
For now the possibility of that happening is low. I think u guys are safe unless sth unpredicted happens.
With Obama, yes.


But with Trump lifting sanctions on Russia and treating Putin like a Jesus, I think the Russian military will have their way and invade the Baltic States (after U.S. withdraw their troops and ignore the problem along with UK or any other states). Tillerson is Putin's personal friend and I don't think he would support Article V, despite saying he would do so. The entire thing depends on whether or not Mattis will agree with them. I don't feel safe, especially with several hundred thousand Russian soldiers with dozens of tanks and helicopters being located few miles away from the border of my country. For all I know, they can just turn their weekly military drill around and march into this place. There is no way the Baltic states can be defended with a few thousand soldiers and around 10k volunteers.

Nah, i understand your fear but i dont think russia will invade any of the baltic states this year. ^^
Well, the difference is that NATO won't interfere in case of a Russian invasion, just like western nations didn't do anything in 1939 and 1944/45 when Eastern Europe was being occupied by USSR. The history might not repeat itself, but it certainly rhymes.
There is no point in comparing contemporary politics with WWII imho. There is no cassus belli and Russia there is no legal tool Russia can use to declare a legal invasion and as we have seen this far they do use international and humanitarian law to explain their actions (they bend it, yes but it would be very difficult to do that with the baltic states). Apart from their legal inability to invade the baltic states they dont have economical or political interest in doing so atm. Sth dramatic has to change imho for the baltic states to be invaded.

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Who said they can't just send in the "green men" like they did in Ukraine? Then they can pull the Russian minority thing and use that as a justification. PEOTUS wouldn't oppose it.

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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
This has always been a worry of mine with that idiot president coming in to power. Trump in my opinion is going to be the reason we in this lifetime have the possibility of staring WW3 right in the face.

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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by cvurko
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by cvurko
For now the possibility of that happening is low. I think u guys are safe unless sth unpredicted happens.
With Obama, yes.


But with Trump lifting sanctions on Russia and treating Putin like a Jesus, I think the Russian military will have their way and invade the Baltic States (after U.S. withdraw their troops and ignore the problem along with UK or any other states). Tillerson is Putin's personal friend and I don't think he would support Article V, despite saying he would do so. The entire thing depends on whether or not Mattis will agree with them. I don't feel safe, especially with several hundred thousand Russian soldiers with dozens of tanks and helicopters being located few miles away from the border of my country. For all I know, they can just turn their weekly military drill around and march into this place. There is no way the Baltic states can be defended with a few thousand soldiers and around 10k volunteers.

Nah, i understand your fear but i dont think russia will invade any of the baltic states this year. ^^
Well, the difference is that NATO won't interfere in case of a Russian invasion, just like western nations didn't do anything in 1939 and 1944/45 when Eastern Europe was being occupied by USSR. The history might not repeat itself, but it certainly rhymes.
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History is repeating itself..


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

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and while we were all focused on Trump, this happened: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/08/nato-n08.html
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Posted by annoyed4ever
Where are you from? I'm from Estonia myself.


Yeah, I also think that Trump don't give a shit about Baltic states, but I still think there is no need to be afraid.
I'm from Latvia.


I will admit that I might be a bit overboard with this stuff and I seriously hope this doesn't happen, but there is always reason to be concerned.
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Posted by annoyed4ever
Where are you from? I'm from Estonia myself.


Yeah, I also think that Trump don't give a shit about Baltic states, but I still think there is no need to be afraid.
I'm from Latvia.


I will admit that I might be a bit overboard with this stuff and I seriously hope this doesn't happen, but there is always reason to be concerned.
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Don't worry. You'll be fine.
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Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies


and while we were all focused on Trump, this happened: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/08/nato-n08.html
Get the people to ask the wrong questions and you don't have to worry about the answers.
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What questions would you ask?


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Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by Qbone
What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

Yes because not stopping the ethnic cleansing was a better choice. I assured you it would've turned into a murderfest but Western Europeans wouldn't know that because they're a bunch of condescending assholes. Europe doesn't give two shits about Southeastern Europe. Bunch of first world idiots who haven't lived a day in constant fear or poverty.

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Sometimes words of logics will prevent the disaster. NATO is the relic of the cold war era to enslave the European nations right after the WWII create a black and white world, us or them, right or left, north or south etc.


In case of any invasion, those nations in the middle will suffer! Either the Russian or the Muricans wont gives two hoots about the suffering nations unless there is a benefit of propaganda tool into it. Wise move is to recognize the neighboring nations and respect their orders and borders. To all Eastern European nations Russia is the nearest neighbor.


When you allow these NATO dogs install crap from paranoid Muricans, then you should expect the harsh reactions from the Russian.


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With Putin anything can happen!

This vampire has Napoleon syndhrome and won't rest unless dead!


I am wondering what Tramp wants from him? Why is he even considering Russia?

Big place with lots of space for hotels building? Urghhhh
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Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies


and while we were all focused on Trump, this happened: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/08/nato-n08.html
Get the people to ask the wrong questions and you don't have to worry about the answers.
What questions would you ask?


It's a quote. How the ones in power keep us stupid.
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Ah? first time I've heard it. A good one!

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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
Hey Big Grin I live in Lithuania and I know about your feelings. But trust me no one will occupy us. At least not yeat smile trust me much more stuff needs to happen for that to happen. Trump may not care but also Trump has huge ego. The thing that makes Putin and Trump friendly is the same thing that can make them to be the bigest enemies. So be calm. We live in different period than we lived 26 years ago. I would be more afraid of the Nuclear plant that is being build on my countries border (since if that will blow up whole country can say bye bye). Also 26 years ago whole countries stood up against soviet forces without any weapons, against the tanks and we gained our country back. So even invasion would happen I am sure with current technologies we would be able to spread the message much faster smile From economical perspective for Russia to occupy us would be huge waist of resources that they no longer have. SO unless russia will stabilise their own economy in couple of years we are fine smile don't be scared.
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Posted by annoyed4ever
Where are you from? I'm from Estonia myself.


Yeah, I also think that Trump don't give a shit about Baltic states, but I still think there is no need to be afraid.
I'm from Latvia.


I will admit that I might be a bit overboard with this stuff and I seriously hope this doesn't happen, but there is always reason to be concerned.
Aren't the baltic states in the union? Can't you move?
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I'm under aged and my financial situation makes it difficult to do so.

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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
Your fears are well grounded, imo.


Trump is definitely an unknown entity in world affairs. I think there will be some sort of Russian testing to see how the rest will react and there will be one eastern european country that is used for this purpose. Usually I am consoled that England would provide leadership where america lacks in affairs like this, but with Brexit, there is only more uncertainty. I'm sorry but I do not have an answer.


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Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by annoyed4ever
Where are you from? I'm from Estonia myself.


Yeah, I also think that Trump don't give a shit about Baltic states, but I still think there is no need to be afraid.
I'm from Latvia.


I will admit that I might be a bit overboard with this stuff and I seriously hope this doesn't happen, but there is always reason to be concerned.
Aren't the baltic states in the union? Can't you move?
I'm under aged and my financial situation makes it difficult to do so.

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Let me adopt you then!
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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
IMHO, the US was on its way to conflict with Russia due to US activities in the Middle East re: Syria, directly stemming from the rise of ISIS and the 'Arab Spring" (the latter directly related to policies from Obama and Hillary).

I would worry more about the machinations of Brussels than anything coming out of Washington DC.



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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
IMHO, the US was on its way to conflict with Russia due to US activities in the Middle East re: Syria, directly stemming from the rise of ISIS and the 'Arab Spring" (the latter directly related to policies from Obama and Hillary).

I would worry more about the machinations of Brussels than anything coming out of Washington DC.



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What have Clinton or Obama done to provoke the conflict?

Russians invaded Ukraine and Crimea, started spewing nonsensical propaganda against USA, NATO, EU and their allies.

Russians are directly aiding the corrupt regime of Assad in Syria by sending their troops.

Russian ministers and government employees have directly threatened the Baltic States' independence multiple times.

Russians have amassed tens of thousands of soldiers on their Western border with European countries.

And don't even get me started on their disinformation campaign led by trolls, KGB, FSB and other employees.
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Posted by Qbone
Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by Qbone
What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

Yes because not stopping the ethnic cleansing was a better choice. I assured you it would've turned into a murderfest but Western Europeans wouldn't know that because they're a bunch of condescending assholes. Europe doesn't give two shits about Southeastern Europe. Bunch of first world idiots who haven't lived a day in constant fear or poverty.




Sometimes words of logics will prevent the disaster. NATO is the relic of the cold war era to enslave the European nations right after the WWII create a black and white world, us or them, right or left, north or south etc.


In case of any invasion, those nations in the middle will suffer! Either the Russian or the Muricans wont gives two hoots about the suffering nations unless there is a benefit of propaganda tool into it. Wise move is to recognize the neighboring nations and respect their orders and borders. To all Eastern European nations Russia is the nearest neighbor.


When you allow these NATO dogs install crap from paranoid Muricans, then you should expect the harsh reactions from the Russian.


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If you care about Russia and defend it so much, why don't you just move there?

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Wow, I see you're another Libtard Snowflake without a fricking clue!


Do you realize Obama has put us in this position because he's seen as a weak, and pathetic leader? Look at the world now. It's a total FUBAR! Obama and Hillary were two of the most inept leaders ever to be in US government. While Obama was busy selling out our country to the Muslim Brotherhood, Hillary was busy selling our Uranium to Russia and taking Millions from China, Saudi and other nations who treat women like shit.


You don't even know your history. It's been Dem. POTUS'S who have gotten us into most wars. It's been R POTUS who have gotten us out of those wars. With that said, both 41 and 43 were part of the same cabal Obama is. THAT's why they went to war after 911. Research the banking cabal and maybe even you can understand.


HRC and Obama wanted to bring about WW3 with Russia. THIS is what the Elites as George Soros have funded and dictated for the past 9 years. The Elites make $ $ $ $ from war and death. That's what all this FAKE Russian's hacking the election is about. Do you ever read any independent news sites or just get your FAKE news from CNN? Trump is very much aware of the globalists agenda and their intentions. THEY hate Trump because he IS the ANTI GLOBALIST. It's not rocket science.


NATO is a joke. The US funds most of us, just as we do the UN, another joke. The policies of being the world's police has to stop. We can't afford it and we are killing our best and brightest for nothing. It's long overdue to change our foreign policy and bring back our troops from many areas of the world that are not needed. That's not saying ending NATO. But revamping it and having other countries fund their percentage is long overdue. As a US taxpayer, I tired of funding NATO and the UN. The percentage of NATO troops are US. And the UN is a cesspool of terrorist countries distracting policy to those who believe in individual freedom. The American people pay for everything and it's time that we start taking care of our own for a while.


Obama has purposely gutted our military and purged MANY top brass because they weren't "YES MEN" to him and his anti American agenda. Our Navy's fleet is the smallest since before WW2. Is that how you prepare to take on two leaders who are building up their militaries and Navy? If you are so concerned about NATO, you should be even more concerned about how Obama has used our military as a social experiment and gutted it. But I see you have nothing about this fact.


RE: Putin. Trump isn't treating him like Jesus. However, Trump is a proven leader and Putin respects him. Trump is trying to stop the agenda of starting WW3. Do you realize NATO has troops on 3 Russian fronts right now? Someone accidentally pulls the trigger and you can kiss you ass goodbye!


Putin looks at Obummer and laughs. All world leaders laugh at the metrosexual whose been POTUS for the past 8 years. One doesn't need to start a war to be strong. We've had 8 long years of total BS! Time to have a real leader in the WH who demands respect and tells it like it is. Good riddance Barry!!


There is no vaccine against stupidity.
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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by Qbone
Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by Qbone
What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

Yes because not stopping the ethnic cleansing was a better choice. I assured you it would've turned into a murderfest but Western Europeans wouldn't know that because they're a bunch of condescending assholes. Europe doesn't give two shits about Southeastern Europe. Bunch of first world idiots who haven't lived a day in constant fear or poverty.




Sometimes words of logics will prevent the disaster. NATO is the relic of the cold war era to enslave the European nations right after the WWII create a black and white world, us or them, right or left, north or south etc.


In case of any invasion, those nations in the middle will suffer! Either the Russian or the Muricans wont gives two hoots about the suffering nations unless there is a benefit of propaganda tool into it. Wise move is to recognize the neighboring nations and respect their orders and borders. To all Eastern European nations Russia is the nearest neighbor.


When you allow these NATO dogs install crap from paranoid Muricans, then you should expect the harsh reactions from the Russian.


If you care about Russia and defend it so much, why don't you just move there?

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Do I need to move there..?


I am not the one who complains about dude, it is you!



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Posted by Qbone
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by Qbone
Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by Qbone
What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

Yes because not stopping the ethnic cleansing was a better choice. I assured you it would've turned into a murderfest but Western Europeans wouldn't know that because they're a bunch of condescending assholes. Europe doesn't give two shits about Southeastern Europe. Bunch of first world idiots who haven't lived a day in constant fear or poverty.




Sometimes words of logics will prevent the disaster. NATO is the relic of the cold war era to enslave the European nations right after the WWII create a black and white world, us or them, right or left, north or south etc.


In case of any invasion, those nations in the middle will suffer! Either the Russian or the Muricans wont gives two hoots about the suffering nations unless there is a benefit of propaganda tool into it. Wise move is to recognize the neighboring nations and respect their orders and borders. To all Eastern European nations Russia is the nearest neighbor.


When you allow these NATO dogs install crap from paranoid Muricans, then you should expect the harsh reactions from the Russian.


If you care about Russia and defend it so much, why don't you just move there?




Do I need to move there..?


I am not the one who complains about dude, it is you!



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You act like a Russian shill. I think you would be welcomed there more than in the western society.
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dramatic thread title of the year award.


Update us when putin is drinking baby blood from your skull

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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by Qbone
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by Qbone
Posted by AdmiraI
Posted by Qbone
What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

Yes because not stopping the ethnic cleansing was a better choice. I assured you it would've turned into a murderfest but Western Europeans wouldn't know that because they're a bunch of condescending assholes. Europe doesn't give two shits about Southeastern Europe. Bunch of first world idiots who haven't lived a day in constant fear or poverty.




Sometimes words of logics will prevent the disaster. NATO is the relic of the cold war era to enslave the European nations right after the WWII create a black and white world, us or them, right or left, north or south etc.


In case of any invasion, those nations in the middle will suffer! Either the Russian or the Muricans wont gives two hoots about the suffering nations unless there is a benefit of propaganda tool into it. Wise move is to recognize the neighboring nations and respect their orders and borders. To all Eastern European nations Russia is the nearest neighbor.


When you allow these NATO dogs install crap from paranoid Muricans, then you should expect the harsh reactions from the Russian.


If you care about Russia and defend it so much, why don't you just move there?




Do I need to move there..?


I am not the one who complains about dude, it is you!



You act like a Russian shill. I think you would be welcomed there more than in the western society.
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Ohhh yes... YES--… because I am against your baseless accusations about..? Wake up mate…in your “counterproductive country” that no one EVER heard of «before the collapse of the Soviet Union”…


Lmao…


What was the name of your country that you are sooooo worry about again….?


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Like I said…



All these crap came from “MURICANA ASS LICKERS”…. Shut the fuck up asshole!




You are not real.

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Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
Posted by TheGreatSearcher
Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
IMHO, the US was on its way to conflict with Russia due to US activities in the Middle East re: Syria, directly stemming from the rise of ISIS and the 'Arab Spring" (the latter directly related to policies from Obama and Hillary).

I would worry more about the machinations of Brussels than anything coming out of Washington DC.



What have Clinton or Obama done to provoke the conflict?

Russians invaded Ukraine and Crimea, started spewing nonsensical propaganda against USA, NATO, EU and their allies.

Russians are directly aiding the corrupt regime of Assad in Syria by sending their troops.

Russian ministers and government employees have directly threatened the Baltic States' independence multiple times.

Russians have amassed tens of thousands of soldiers on their Western border with European countries.

And don't even get me started on their disinformation campaign led by trolls, KGB, FSB and other employees.
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Crimea is a little unique. It had about 60% ethnic Russians after the Ukrainian revolution in 2014. Although the annexation by Russia was contested, Russia pointed to the situation with Kosovo that took place in the 1990s (the Kosovo matter in and of itself is questionable, but it opened the door for Russia to use an an excuse).

The invasion into the Ukraine was not cool. That was definitely Russian meddling.


As far as Syria and provoking conflict....

It has been a client state of Russia/Soviet Union for a long time starting with Hafez al-Assad.

Yeah, the Assads were/are bastards for sure. When Obama/Clinton/Kerry began to shift arms to rebels, more often then not connected to ISIS, Russia saw a threat, especially when the Obama administration expressly said the aim was to topple the Assad government. That supply of arms by the Obama administration was part of a pattern of destabilising governments in the Middle East and in north Africa, starting with Gaddafhi in Libya, the support of Morsi in Egypt (subsequently ousted by the Egyption people and Sisi and then "punished" by the Obama administration), and then the support of "rebels" in the Iraq/Syria region. The common theme was that these groups were in some way or another connected with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Russia was interested in protecting its interests in Syria. And that involved supporting Assad.

Not saying its right, but it is what it is. But the US trying to impose "no fly' zones on the Russians was not a good idea, neither was the whole "Russia throwing the election to Trump" meme, which is bullshit.

James Mattis, whom Trump is nominating to Secretary of Defense, isn't a fan of the Russian aggression on its Western Border.


Currently, the US is moving troops into Eastern Europe in response to Russian aggression on their western frontier. IMHO, I don't think the Baltic states are going to get overrun.

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What makes you think the NATO forces are any better..? Your country is in danger because of their presence.



Remember ex-Yugoslavia..?

Yes because not stopping the ethnic cleansing was a better choice. I assured you it would've turned into a murderfest but Western Europeans wouldn't know that because they're a bunch of condescending assholes. Europe doesn't give two shits about Southeastern Europe. Bunch of first world idiots who haven't lived a day in constant fear or poverty.




Sometimes words of logics will prevent the disaster. NATO is the relic of the cold war era to enslave the European nations right after the WWII create a black and white world, us or them, right or left, north or south etc.


In case of any invasion, those nations in the middle will suffer! Either the Russian or the Muricans wont gives two hoots about the suffering nations unless there is a benefit of propaganda tool into it. Wise move is to recognize the neighboring nations and respect their orders and borders. To all Eastern European nations Russia is the nearest neighbor.


When you allow these NATO dogs install crap from paranoid Muricans, then you should expect the harsh reactions from the Russian.


If you care about Russia and defend it so much, why don't you just move there?




Do I need to move there..?


I am not the one who complains about dude, it is you!



You act like a Russian shill. I think you would be welcomed there more than in the western society.
Ohhh yes... YES--… because I am against your baseless accusations about..? Wake up mate…in your “counterproductive country” that no one EVER heard of «before the collapse of the Soviet Union”…


Lmao…


What was the name of your country that you are sooooo worry about again….?


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia


Have fun reading.

I would also appreciate if you stopped acting like an asshole.
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United States moved anti-ballistic missiles into eastern bloc accusing Iranian ballistic missiles, not the Russians.


But then again it’s all about the Russians… plain provocations.

The Russians have every right to defend their borders with all they’ve got, plain and simple. It is shame that they have a lot of borders to share with these stupid and pointless “newly arrived eastern European countries”!


What are those missiles are used for again..?


Who is going to suffer..? In case of war ... The entire ass kisser eastern bloc will be gone in less than 20 min.

Why…?


Because of ….?

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@Qbone YOU'RE ALIVE, HI Hug
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20 minutes…..


Worth it..? ask your self…!

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Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.


Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fact that US will simply withdraw from NATO or ditch Baltic States as a favor to Russia. The Baltic States do not have anything besides a small military force, a few dozen NATO rotation-based soldiers and the NATO assurance for their independence. As a person living here, I can say that no one will welcome the Russian military with open arms and this would also prove that NATO is useless when it comes down to defending a member state.


Last time around, when Russians came in here before and after WW2, they burned, pillaged, murdered, tortured or deported roughly 1/4th of the country. They destroyed everything and ruined this place. I'm inclined to believe that this will repeat, especially now that Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union and Trump only supports him.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Tillerson or Trump even give a shit about Baltic States. The only guarantee of safety are the NATO soldiers stationed here.
I feel you .
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@Qbone YOU'RE ALIVE, HI Hug


Shamefully I don’t’ know who you are. But thank you for recon.





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@Qbone YOU'RE ALIVE, HI Hug


Shamefully I don’t’ know who you are. But thank you for recon.

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It's ok. I am your biggest fan. One day I want you to sign my forehead.

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United States moved anti-ballistic missiles into eastern bloc accusing Iranian ballistic missiles, not the Russians.


But then again it’s all about the Russians… plain provocations.

The Russians have every right to defend their borders with all they’ve got, plain and simple. It is shame that they have a lot of borders to share with these stupid and pointless “newly arrived eastern European countries”!


What are those missiles are used for again..?


Who is going to suffer..? In case of war ... The entire ass kisser eastern bloc will be gone in less than 20 min.

Why…?


Because of ….?

What makes you think these "newly arrived Eastern European countries" (most of which existed before WW2 and who were granted independence by Soviet Union itself) can't have the rights to defend themselves?

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Given their histories with Russia, it's not unexpected that the Baltics would cast a wary eye towards Russia. Having said that, I don't think Russia has imperialistic ambitions. They are more concerned about being encircled by U.S interests. We threatened nuclear war the last time Russia did that to us during the Cuban Missile Crisis.


The U.S. meddled in Ukraine by staging a C.I.A backed coup to overthrow the government that was elected there. That's what exacerbated the problem and caused Russia to rush in to protect ethnic Russians within Ukraine. Crimea has always been overwhelmingly comprised of Russians with a minority of Ukrainians and Tartars.


Aside from a few radar stations in Moldova and Belarus, Russia has 3 bases outside of its territory. All were asked by those governments to be there.


Kyrgyzstan Kant Air Base and the 338th naval communication center

Syria Russian naval facility in Tartus, Khmeimim Air Base

Tajikistan Russian 201st Military Base Est. 7,500


The U.S. has 800 bases outside its territory, not including the numerous U.S. bases in blacked out war zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia spends 1/10 of what we do on their antiquated military. Who would you be worried about..the country with 3 small bases outside of its territory or the one with 800 (95% of the world's foreign bases.)


https://www.thenation.com/article/the-united-states-probably-has-more-foreign-military-bases-than-any-other-people-nation-or-empire-in-history/

I would worry about Russia, because it is a dictatorship led by a former KGB colonel and it is far more threatening than western interests, especially with their nukes. The western nations have admittedly done wrong, but, unlike Russia, they don't want to restore Soviet Union or take away independence from European states.

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Given their histories with Russia, it's not unexpected that the Baltics would cast a wary eye towards Russia. Having said that, I don't think Russia has imperialistic ambitions. They are more concerned about being encircled by U.S interests. We threatened nuclear war the last time Russia did that to us during the Cuban Missile Crisis.


The U.S. meddled in Ukraine by staging a C.I.A backed coup to overthrow the government that was elected there. That's what exacerbated the problem and caused Russia to rush in to protect ethnic Russians within Ukraine. Crimea has always been overwhelmingly comprised of Russians with a minority of Ukrainians and Tartars.


Aside from a few radar stations in Moldova and Belarus, Russia has 3 bases outside of its territory. All were asked by those governments to be there.


Kyrgyzstan Kant Air Base and the 338th naval communication center

Syria Russian naval facility in Tartus, Khmeimim Air Base

Tajikistan Russian 201st Military Base Est. 7,500


The U.S. has 800 bases outside its territory, not including the numerous U.S. bases in blacked out war zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia spends 1/10 of what we do on their antiquated military. Who would you be worried about..the country with 3 small bases outside of its territory or the one with 800 (95% of the world's foreign bases.)


https://www.thenation.com/article/the-united-states-probably-has-more-foreign-military-bases-than-any-other-people-nation-or-empire-in-history/

I would worry about Russia, because it is a dictatorship led by a former KGB colonel and it is far more threatening than western interests, especially with their nukes. The western nations have admittedly done wrong, but, unlike Russia, they don't want to restore Soviet Union or take away independence from European states.

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Take a look at the map mate before ww2and after.


I really know why you hate the soviet, but here and right now we are now talking about EMPIER.

Russian or the U.S…



Choice is yours; I have had enough with the fucking muricans and their lies! Never trust these fucking Americans.


At the end, your nation will be wiped off. I warned you before… didn’ I….?



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There is no vaccine against stupidity.
It's a good thing there isn't because that vaccine would give you autism.

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Given their histories with Russia, it's not unexpected that the Baltics would cast a wary eye towards Russia. Having said that, I don't think Russia has imperialistic ambitions. They are more concerned about being encircled by U.S interests. We threatened nuclear war the last time Russia did that to us during the Cuban Missile Crisis.


The U.S. meddled in Ukraine by staging a C.I.A backed coup to overthrow the government that was elected there. That's what exacerbated the problem and caused Russia to rush in to protect ethnic Russians within Ukraine. Crimea has always been overwhelmingly comprised of Russians with a minority of Ukrainians and Tartars.


Aside from a few radar stations in Moldova and Belarus, Russia has 3 bases outside of its territory. All were asked by those governments to be there.


Kyrgyzstan Kant Air Base and the 338th naval communication center

Syria Russian naval facility in Tartus, Khmeimim Air Base

Tajikistan Russian 201st Military Base Est. 7,500


The U.S. has 800 bases outside its territory, not including the numerous U.S. bases in blacked out war zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia spends 1/10 of what we do on their antiquated military. Who would you be worried about..the country with 3 small bases outside of its territory or the one with 800 (95% of the world's foreign bases.)


https://www.thenation.com/article/the-united-states-probably-has-more-foreign-military-bases-than-any-other-people-nation-or-empire-in-history/

I would worry about Russia, because it is a dictatorship led by a former KGB colonel and it is far more threatening than western interests, especially with their nukes. The western nations have admittedly done wrong, but, unlike Russia, they don't want to restore Soviet Union or take away independence from European states.




Take a look at the map mate before ww2and after.


I really know why you hate the soviet, but here and right now we are now talking about EMPIER.

Russian or the U.S…



Choice is yours; I have had enough with the fucking muricans and their lies! Never trust these fucking Americans.


At the end, your nation will be wiped off. I warned you before… didn’ I….?



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You must be a proud reader of Breitbart, Facebook news and Russia Today. Maybe some Fox News as well.
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The western nations have admittedly done wrong, but, unlike Russia, they don't want to restore Soviet Union or take away independence from European states.

Thus my comment earlier about keeping an eye on the machinations in Brussels. There are reasons behind Brexit and similar movements.


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You must be a proud reader of Breitbart, Facebook news and Russia Today. Maybe some Fox News as well.
What Baltic country did you say you were from again? Just curious.


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You must be a proud reader of Breitbart, Facebook news and Russia Today. Maybe some Fox News as well.
What Baltic country did you say you were from again? Just curious.


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The western nations have admittedly done wrong, but, unlike Russia, they don't want to restore Soviet Union or take away independence from European states.

Thus my comment earlier about keeping an eye on the machinations in Brussels. There are reasons behind Brexit and similar movements.


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Do you have any proof of "machinations"?


Brexit was unnecessary and caused more trouble than helped. It's quite hilarious how many people voted to leave and then on the same or the next day started googling "what is Brexit?"

Hell, quite a few people who voted to leave were baby boomers who will be in their graves within the next decade. Farage also lied about certain things as well as chickened out like a coward once UK voted to leave.
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You must be a proud reader of Breitbart, Facebook news and Russia Today. Maybe some Fox News as well.
What Baltic country did you say you were from again? Just curious.


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Interesting. Reading through your responses here, I was getting the impression you weren't from the Baltic States at all.

And the crack about Fox news/Breitbart is a knee jerk retort often seen from Internet trolls, especially since the fellow you used that crack on isn't in the United States.

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You must be a proud reader of Breitbart, Facebook news and Russia Today. Maybe some Fox News as well.
What Baltic country did you say you were from again? Just curious.


Latvia
Interesting. Reading through your responses here, I was getting the impression you weren't from the Baltic States at all.

And the crack about Fox news/Breitbart is a knee jerk retort often seen from Internet trolls, especially since the fellow you used that crack on isn't in the United States.

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I would add the title of this thread and the subsequent OP gave that initial impression as well.
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You follow the crap from MSM…?


Dude.. your mind is busted, never follow the MSM. NEVER I mean NEVER...EVER! these mother fuckers are there to stir up your mind.


Be aware of it.

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Like I said… your country is too backward and counterproductive …. Not important to be occupied by the Russian.


Still scared..?


Enough of these bullshits.

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