ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD

A topic of deeper thoughts and observations of global problems.
Problems that affect YOU sooner or later via chain reaction.

An excellent discourse, which I have personally pondered for years, but
well written and produced in the interest of information.
This is the kind of information that is missing in US National media. Perhaps
media from other nations as well. - Globalism is found here.
Very well done, in spite of some details of which I disagree with.
I invite you to listen - It's deep thinking and intellectual so put your thinking cap
on and be thoughtful of the world around you as you listen.

I think it's worthy of discussion.

I love this video. I love how in the beginning the man in the suit, appearing as if he's on his way to his job to try and accumulate money is watching those greedy, rich snobs eating on one side of the street, and the little homeless boy on the other side. It really shows the contrast between two different realities of our world. I believe that those in poverty experience a very more natural and -real- form of life, it is only made to seem bad by the contrast placed on it by the sickness ridden, power hungry rich angle of society (while I do recognize poverty is a seriously sad in most cases). While those who are rich experience a diluted form of reality where they use so many needless things to survive that they actually become weaker. Where more money lies, more sickness of the mind grows. Poverty should not be something that exists- it should be that living off of what the Earth supplies is the only way. We have advanced so far technologically that we forget what we actually require to survive, and we destroy the Earth that bore us. Pieces of paper often times dictate whether or not a person can value their own existence in today's society, and too me that's very sad.
These specific lyrics from the song I Have no Time by Bert Jansch say so much-
"I have no time to spend with you
You talk of nothing, what can you do
You live like kings and you know it's true
That if famine crossed the waters that'll be the end of you.

I've heard of people who till the earth
Who saw their seeds for all they're worth
Who cry for rain all summer long
And weep for the day when winter's passed and gone.

If cherry trees bore fruit of gold
The birds would die, their wings would fold
They'd sing no more their song of love
Nor await the morning sun that lights the sky above."

These specific lyrics from the song I Have no Time by Bert Jansch say so much-
"I have no time to spend with you
You talk of nothing, what can you do
You live like kings and you know it's true
That if famine crossed the waters that'll be the end of you.

I've heard of people who till the earth
Who saw their seeds for all they're worth
Who cry for rain all summer long
And weep for the day when winter's passed and gone.

If cherry trees bore fruit of gold
The birds would die, their wings would fold
They'd sing no more their song of love
Nor await the morning sun that lights the sky above."


This was SOO beautifully profound. I will have a listen.

Indeed Poverty is a sad reality, what is worse is the rich man that cannot get enough.
Hoarding and accumulation of wealth, fame, and power will not and cannot assure
happiness and peace. No.. not at all.
For those that pursue it and acquire it and redistribute it not, greater sorrows lie ahead.
They can never find true happiness in their ambitious quests.

The poor will remain, they that have been poor, will be adjusted to it, those that lose their
wealth, will either learn to adjust or commit crimes, perhaps even suicide - they couldn't find happiness.

That said, the state of the United States looks a lot like what we see in ZeitGeist, but there are
many other film productions and discussions that touch on these issues.

What I like about ZG is how it touches on the many different contributing factors to the big problem.

Toward the end, they talk about how automated production using robotics as a reality of the future.
This, I think is a double-edged sword already - it is the invention and deployment of greed already and
is, in part, what has displaced workers, already. When people say "Oh, those displaced have retrained in
new skills" - they don't get it, part of person's wellbeing is how he/she loves his/her job, take it
away and you stolen something else from somebody, yet again - the sense of accomplishment.
To be "taken care of" in that future city, is stripping away individuality and fostering collectivism, defined
by someone else, in the name of cheap economics, to save the planet - it's a false "Garden of Eden".

Ever heard of the saying "Idle hands are the devil's playground!"—
That's how and why a great many crime occurs.

They talk about auto-accidents and to reduce them, their prescription is to
automate automobiles... While ingenious on the surface this is very STUPID in my mind -
why? Because, as with automated production, it does NOT encourage people to use their heads.
To think, solve problems, care for themselves, etc. But then.... that's exactly what the
wealthy want things to be - stupid people can be enticed into anything when their weakness
is known.

What I see is a future world concept, while great on the surface, ignores the underpinnings
of how mankind exists. Take away the underpinnings, and man's self worth is tossed into
the age of not slaves..... but human pets, lab rats, human organ farms.... that sort of thing.

Disarmed, ambitionless and corralled into a circle city, people will become property of the state
or the powers that be. That world will look more like the future city in H.G. Wells' Time Machine.

Posted by Let*It*Be
Damn good video!

Those who are greedy will be the undoing of this entire planet. Watching that guy shove all the shrimp into his mouth and watering it down with champagne..speaks volumes.

"this shit has got to go"

Back when Bush, Clinton, Perot were on the stage, Perot said it was "time to grab a shovel and clean out the barn."
I felt that already, and Perot got my vote. To me he made the most sense. He was right then.

The next guy to come along that made a lot of sense to me, was Ron Paul.

We live in an excruciatingly dangerous world.

Some here, "may" be familiar with Alex Jones.
Mr. Jones is a self-admitted Freemason who for the past 18 years has been monitoring and commentating on the Globalist
Agenda. For those of you who are unaware, the so-called "New World Order" (aka "NWO")is NOT some secret agenda
dreamed up by conspiracy theorists, it's a legitimate entity. - In discussions and debates of the subject
Mr. Jones has exposed and presented a great many thing that go on behind the scenes. Naturally, the Media is
owned by BIG Corporations and damage control deployment is to be expected. Below is a review on the Howard Stern
show, of the Piers Morgan Interview of Alec Jones earlier this month.
Listen carefully to the comments made to suggest Jones is a complete nut. - this is PsyOps damage control in action.

Posted by tauruscancerdelight
It is totally sad when people care more about money and business, than about their government. We have to ask ourselves; do we really have a government that represents us as people and our interests?

TDC, sadly answer to your question is no.

One of the biggest problems is sifting through both Mainstream Media and alternative media, for clues.
Other documents and agendas are also to be found.

There is a book entitled "The Puzzle Palace" (James Bamford 1982) that offers many clues to what the
US National Security Agency does in it's operations. Among those operations is spying on US citizens.
Yes, it is true.
Book is still available.
http://www.amazon.com/Puzzle-Palace-National-Intelligence-Organization/dp/0140067485<BR>

Big Brother Snippet - It's real, folks. more so as time passes.

It is necessary for your "owners" to know where you are.
This is why surveillance is necessary: to know where you are, your affairs, to know your strengths and
weaknesses from the time you were born, because in the future you're are destined to be put to the slaughter.
The threat is VERY REAL!

Here we see a survivalist's prospecting regions that promise the best survivability as it pertains to weather, water supply and population. Knowing my way around the country, it's a fair bet. However, it assumes that viewer knows nothing about
winter survivability. In order to prepare for winter survivability is to become accustomed to the harshness of winter.
To learn the ways of old. The ways of the Native Americans.... of all peoples. They have lived in what this clip deems
as unsurvivable. Indeed, very uncomfortable for those of us not accustomed, but not unsurvivable. Some talk of guns.
Sooner or later, the ammunition runs out. It is wise to learn to make your own hunting weapons, the spear, the stone club,
the ax, the knife, the bow and the arrow. IF you are to survive, this is necessary knowledge. Primitive life is the future for many. How long for them? Who can say.

I really like Alex Jones, I like how he's getting the word out there about all our governments bullshit. Conspiracy theorists are only truth seekers- made to look like they're misinformed delusional psychos by our government. I believe the whole gun control thing is just the NWO's first step at making us completely helpless if they were to initiate a mass extinction. Notice how all the shootings that have happened recently were made possible with the same kind of MILITARY guns, and most of the people who committed the massacres were on medicine like Prozac that makes people very prone to psychotic behavior. Even before the shootings happened, when Obama was talking about taking away our right to bare arms, I was telling people to just wait because soon there's going to be a string of horrific shootings.



I like how he hones in on Obama's fake crying in this video. What American citizens need to do is -wake up-. Realize that nothing happens on accident if it gets a lot of media time, and figure out a way to INFORM themselves, and protect themselves.

Posted by Sutekh
Thanks for the thread I basically knew about all this information.

but its good to have it in one place.

The fake crying LOL he didn't shed a tear for the thousands of kids he droned FOH Obombya

I knew about some of it before you were born. How's that grab ya, kiddo?

lol

Posted by MeowScorpii
I really like Alex Jones, I like how he's getting the word out there about all our governments bullshit. Conspiracy theorists are only truth seekers- made to look like they're misinformed delusional psychos by our government. I believe the whole gun control thing is just the NWO's first step at making us completely helpless if they were to initiate a mass extinction. Notice how all the shootings that have happened recently were made possible with the same kind of MILITARY guns, and most of the people who committed the massacres were on medicine like Prozac that makes people very prone to psychotic behavior. Even before the shootings happened, when Obama was talking about taking away our right to bare arms, I was telling people to just wait because soon there's going to be a string of horrific shootings.



I like how he hones in on Obama's fake crying in this video. What American citizens need to do is -wake up-. Realize that nothing happens on accident if it gets a lot of media time, and figure out a way to INFORM themselves, and protect themselves.

I like AJ too, but there are times I wonder if he's a) losing control of himself, b) gonna burst a blood vessel, c) snap
and commit a crime that shuts down his operations, d) a plant or "tool" to desensitize the masses, e) my fairy godmother who's a day late and a dollar short.

You see, his rantings can backfire on him - people will think Yep, he's a nut, and for that reason, the message is tossed as ramblings of a nut. - the perfect technique used by the media to discredit those that question their government.

Posted by Sutekh

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by Sutekh
Thanks for the thread I basically knew about all this information.

but its good to have it in one place.

The fake crying LOL he didn't shed a tear for the thousands of kids he droned FOH Obombya

I knew about some of it before you were born. How's that grab ya, kiddo?

lol

Doesn't grab me at all

just means youre old

click to expand

I didn't think it did.
LOL, if you're smart enough, you'll die young.
Show us old dummies how smart you are, kiddo.

Posted by tauruscancerdelight
Hey Mr.Firebird!🙂

THANKS soooooo much for this, not only do I study this subject at the university, but I am profoundly interested and curious about this on a personal level too. Politics affects us all; from what we eat, breathe, where we work, even how we die and sometimes when we die. So literally, it is a question of life and death for me!!

Always question authority. The only stupid question is the one that is not asked.

Thanks again Firebird, God bless and keep you sane. I really enjoy to dig deep, I hope this thread does not get deleted.

You're welcomed, and thank you, TCD. 🙂

To have to question your government IS an unfortunate thing, but necessary.

The reason we must do this is because no one, and I do mean NO ONE is invulnerable to corruption.
A person that says - "I cannot be corrupted", has not been tested to the extreme that would break him.
Such a statement is a self-deception and it is "pride" that serves to hide that deception.

We must remain humble that we don't lose the ability to see through those things which endeavor to deceive us.

"You see, his rantings can backfire on him - people will think Yep, he's a nut, and for that reason, the message is tossed as ramblings of a nut. - the perfect technique used by the media to discredit those that question their government."

Yes, I completely agree with you. His hotheadedness makes it so people don't really take him seriously unless they've taken the time to look into conspiracy theories themselves. For example when he had the chance to argue with Peirs Morgan about gun control issues, he went entirely off the handle and, in my opinion, wasted that opportunity for his ideas to get out there into a more general media.

Posted by MeowScorpii
"You see, his rantings can backfire on him - people will think Yep, he's a nut, and for that reason, the message is tossed as ramblings of a nut. - the perfect technique used by the media to discredit those that question their government."

Yes, I completely agree with you. His hotheadedness makes it so people don't really take him seriously unless they've taken the time to look into conspiracy theories themselves. For example when he had the chance to argue with Peirs Morgan about gun control issues, he went entirely off the handle and, in my opinion, wasted that opportunity for his ideas to get out there into a more general media.

Exactly - he DID waste his opportunity IF... big IF he was trying to further his agenda. HOWEVER, IF... he has
an agenda hidden behind a false front, it's to make conspiracy theorists look like kookyboos in the eyes of the
masses. I watch out for this kind of stuff - I filter a lot of BS out of it. AJ can speak out of both sides of his
mouth just as good as the next. Part of what he presents is factual, but when adding the hotheadedness to the mix,
it's counterproductive. Just remember to take whatever you see, hear and read with a grain of salt. Scrutinize
the evidence, presented. - The 9/11 Commission Report is nothing more than the "Official Conspiracy Theory"
it IS true that a BBC Reporter said that WTC 7 had fallen when in fact, it was still standing right behind her.
A lot people don't remember WTC 7. A lot of crazy stuff surrounds that day. Stuff that a lot of people have
taken note of. Myself included.
Watch for the black arrow - that's the "Salomon Brothers" or World Trade Center 7 (WTC7)

Posted by IntriguedScorp
Mr Fire might I add that I agree wholeheartedly with your perspective. We live in interesting times indeed. Change is being forced upon us--its unclear whether or not this change will eventually be good for the everyday common folk. My gut check says: no. My gut check says: we will end up living as slaves to a few greedy people. Its the human way when you look back on history in its entirety.

Indeed, which is why there are so many out there concerned about gun laws specifically targeting assault weapons.
You see, you don't want to take a knife to a gunfight. As nasty as assault weapons are, they are more powerful
than your typical hunting rifles and handguns today. They are a threat to the establishment - but... really,
the establishment has so much firepower under it's thumb, it's not funny - God help 'em if people had a right
to own M1A1 Abrams or possessed counterintelligence capabilities. - the people are sheeple. I hate to say it,
but it's true and when they wake up they will be powerless to do anything about the predicament they find
themselves in. There is soft power and hard power - soft power is entertainment, public education, political parties
and the like. Hard power is military force. People are already controlled far more than they realize.
I think.... people will be treated as a commodity. They will be tagged with implantable chips that identifies
everything about them. I think a large population will be murdered. The Nazi concentration camps and extermination
of the Jews, will look like a Sunday school picnic compared to what lies ahead. In those days, you can't run
you can't hide. You will be found. Very ugly, very frightening times. You cannot buy or sell unless you have
the ID chip. ZeitGeist mentions the obsolescence of money. That WILL come. But I believe it will NOT be like
ZG would have us to believe. Population Control - the actual head count will have to be drastically reduced as
prescribed by these unseen globalists. That, in part is probably why Alex Jones is "hotheaded" and we all should
be upset and passionate about it. BUT it is necessary to be prudent when and where to apply the anger.

Posted by IntriguedScorp

look at the political parties as you would two separate door to door vacuum cleaner salesmen who are selling the same
brand and model vacuum cleaner. You have a ratty old vacuum cleaner that works and does the job and you're
not really interested in buying a new vacuum anytime soon.

Salesman #1 knocks on your door delivers his sales pitch. You don't bite.
Salesman #2 knocks on your door delivers his sales pitch. You bite.

While salesman #1 failed to inspire you to buy, but salesman #2 was successful.
either way you bought a vacuum cleaner you didn't need.

That's the Republican and Democratic Party.
The problem the masses should have with both of them, is that they really don't tell the masses what they
are REALLY selling.

In the late 1960s, there was a man by the name of Myron Fagan, (google him)a Scorpio, no less, who produced an audio presentation on 3 vinyl record albums, called "The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations".
It's 2 hours long. (should be pointed out that "shallow" minds will NOT take the time to listen - they are the ones
are part of the problem of waking people up.

It is important to understand that all the problems we see are manifestations of the will of mankind enslaved to
to spirits in the supernatural realm. Demonic possession, if you will, appears in many, many diverse forms - they
are not strictly an entity that stereotypically manifest themselves as "Ghosts" or as portrayed by
Linda Blair in "The Exorcist".

All great videos put up everyone. great job!

here's my two cents.

The NWO goes public with NWO. Videos 1-9. Very frightening indeed. Anyone who thinks this is one big joke really needs to wake up and seek the truth. The truth is everywhere.
Sadly, the Lemmings out number those of us who chose to think for ourselves and not simply follow someone who thinks he's a king. Speaking of the king, wait until you see part 3 where he repeats "YES WE CAN" but backwards, it's really saying "THANK YOU SATAN."

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