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Moro might sound bitter but there is some truth to what she is saying in my current situation in which I am seeing a Pisces. This is not my first Pisces but it is the first since I started paying attention to zodiac signs and relationships.

Intially he pursued me at a time when I was involved with someone else (Scorpio) whom I thought I was crazy for and didn't want to do without. I knew the Pisces had what it takes to sweep my mind off of the Scorpio if I let him. Eventually, a month later I did.

Well initially being the loving romantic that I desire told Mr. Pisces that I didn't think I should pursue anything with him because I was afraid that I would fall for him more than I wanted to which would be bad because we live an hour apart. Granted I was with the Scorpio who lived 1.5hrs away who I went to go see. Mr. Pisces has come down to see me twice (selfless IMO).

Well after our first visit I asked why he was single and he told me that he had a girlfriend, that it was new and he could see it going somewhere. But, that he still wanted to have his fun. This is Moro's point confirmed. The second time he drove down to see me I asked him was spending time with me really worth the drive and he gave me two thumbs up. From what I can tell he does enjoy my company because he says things on his own that would entail.

However, I asked him if his gf new about his open relationship and he said no and if I was his gf would I be ok with knowing it (smart-arse) and I told him if I knew before feelings got involved then yes. Well I do remember us joking about him coming down to see me way before he ever did and he was saying something about his "wifey" and I took it for joking but now I am thinking that "wifey" really existed as his gf. He's not married but he is definitely claiming this girl in who he sees a future with but drives so far to see me.

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Part of me wonders if he told me that to put a distance between us so that I won't get too involved in my feelings or think something more is going on. Another part of me thinks he is just a Pisces who falls easily for someone and then emotionally leaves before physically leaving and that he is not interested in this girl except for some logical quality that could work but that there is something big missing which makes him still seeking.

The kicker is that on visit #2 he asks me if I am seeing anyone and I told him not yet and he says back to me "yet?" and I say yep I am about to start dating so that I can make some friends to see about who I will take with me on my weekend in the mountains with 5 other couples. He gets a little quiet and then he says you don't have anyone you can take and I say no, tell him about my celibacy and he asks so you haven't gotten to know anyone I told him I had started to get to konw someone and he said what happened and I said it didn't work out. Now he could have taken this one of two ways. So anyway, I told him that the goal was to date so I can make new friends because if I don't my gf will try and set me up with someone on the trip.

Well after that visit he kind of changed up his attitude. We were suppose to spend that coming weekend together but he changed due to some other committment. Then when the weekend came we chit-chatted off and on and he did NOTHING that whole weekend. Said it was all about relaxing and that he was going to be a lazy bum. I didn't mention until that Monday how my weekend was suppose to be better but my plans got changed. Didn't mention that he was a part of it but I was shocked he didnt catch on but instead acted as if he had no clue as to what I was talking about but that he was sorry about my weekend.

So, now it's like we're just buddies and I am no longer the "good girl" or "good woman" that he was so attracted to. Hmm... could it be because I didn't invite him to go with me to the mountains? Well, either he has a girlfriend who he calls "wifey" or he doesn't. If he told me that as a lie to keep me at bay then he screwed himself. I am not going to give my feelings to someone's man nor am I going to try and spend intimate time with someone else's man.

So, I think Moro is right in that they either cheat or just are two faced and all for themselves. They want to make the rules but when someone plays by them it's no fair. Guess I was suppose to fall for him regardless... WTFever!
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Starfish225: "Just curious, why would you continue with this after he told you the way he told you that he had a girl..In his head he prolly thought you were ok with his mess.."

That's a really great question. If he was married or engaged or in a long term relationship then yes I would not have continued on. Based on what HE said, it's "new" and he can "see it going somewhere" aka Pisce Dreaming. But, most importantly he acknowledges that he still wants to have fun. In which I interpret that he is still young and not ready to be serious with anyone. His life he can make that decision and if gf has any questions about their relationship then she should ask its not up to me to protect her supposed interest (asset wise) in that man.

And since it's not a serious relationship why should I NOT get to know him? He is still fair game. Whether I get to know him now or someone else next month it does not make her relationship stronger. If she truly DID it for him then he would not be interested in getting to know me.

He and I started getting to know each other Sept 22nd or so and he wanted to come see me on Columbus Day weekend and I postponed plans. We finally hung out Oct 17th and that's when he told me he had a girlfriend per my asking. I will say that the Friday before Columbus Day (Oct 5) is when he mentioned something about "wifey" and I took it as a joke because it was introduced into a joke btwn him and me. So, IMO he had enough opportunity to mention her as well as she had about a month to reel him in deeper before I even gave him the green light.

I accept that people will have their opinion but it's not my job to walk around as the disciplinarian of the male figure and make them stay attached to their alleged mates. If a man falls out of interest with me do I expect the new chick to be a good upstanding citizen and tell him "No, no... you should try to work it out with her, I mean you saw something in her and you should really look deep within yourself to see if it is all you really need to make a happily ever after...".

NO! I expect any woman to go for what she knows. So for me, I have nothing better to do at the time so I don't mind enjoying what is until something better comes along or he decides to pursue me. At this point my eyes are open. I admit it slapped me across my face to find out he had someone (if he wasn't lying) but at the same time it made me cool my emotional heels.
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"how do you stop this though"

"Starfish225: How does who stop it..You won't be able to, and the other person won't stop it unless they feel they are doing something wrong and they want to stop it.."

I must agree, no one controls anyone these days. People do as they please and see fit. If someone puts someone else first its either because they allowed that person to have power into their conscious. Unfortunately, as much as I hate it, I acknowledge the dating world is a game. There are more people playing than people spectating. Just like in baseball sometimes that ball comes into the stands and you are forced to be a part of the game.

I truly believe that just like regular sports men are the afficionados of "The Game" when it comes to relationships and by feeding into women make it a one on one. When one of the parties refuses to play "right" a forfeit happens. Again, I hate the game and wish their were less players.
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Starfish again you have your opinion. When I decided to finally get to know him I was not head over heels for him just like he wasn't for me. I had just decided to let go of the previous relationship I was defeated in pursuing. So, I decided to focus my attention on someone better than who I was pursuing in order to help me move on. I never was trying to pursue a relationship with him so if he's not interested in a relationship with me then the playing ground is level.

What are you not seeing, he's not interested in her and it's not MY job to make him be. I am not a family counselor and if he's a cheater then he's a cheater and it's not because of me. You're trying to make me the blame for why he is cheating on her (if she exists) and that's not fair. With or without me in the picture he will cheat on her, she does not do it for him or whatever their story is he isn't serious about it.

His acknowledging it does hold a reason but it has nothing to do with his desire to let me know he isn't serious about me. Everyday people don't reveal current relationships/marriages knowing that they are not serious about the new person. If I was to back off of him it would not be to save his relationship with her it would be to protect myself. Like I said if he was married, engaged, or in a long term relationship then yes I wouldn't get involved. He said it was new, that could be a week before me and he could have been introduced to her by his mom or best friend. Who knows why he is attaching himself to her, maybe because he can't get rid of her easily. Or maybe he is just a typical pisces who attaches himself to people who he feels need them.

You truly sound like a true pisces, going for the underdog. I have no opinion on that one way or the other. How about you hunt him down and save their relationship...
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Oh and by the way, he has some amount of respect for me because he was honest in letting me know about the relationship. Oh, and I can call him whenever I want to, he answers. So, he truly is not all wrapped up with her is he— And before he copped a bit of a 'tude with me he was all up my behind to the point that I again had to postpone us spending time together and before I could reschedule he was calling me again to reschedule.

So, what was it you were saying... Oh right, that he has a relationship... puhleaze... He has a relationship when he makes the choice to accept and respect it and AGAIN, whether I am in the picture or not that will be his choice.
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I was (sarcastically) saying for you to hunt him down for his relationship with her not for you to hunt a man down for your own r-ship.

Yeah, the world is too big and moves too fast to not pick and choose your battles. That's not my fight, I've been there and I never thought or wished the new chick (if that was the reason an ex left me alone) tried to make him stay. That's not anyone else's job. My relationship's stability and progress is the responsibility of the two people involved. If the man or I am not strong enough to give it our all then someone should move on.

I seriously doubt he told her. Again, if she exists. My thing is he pursued me so deep that I never would have thought he was involved with anyone, dating yes, claiming no. Like I said I believe he has a reason for revealing it but I don't think it was to let me know he wasn't planning to be serious about me.

I kind of had my "Ice Queen" hat on the first day we met because I was still involved with the former guy (this was Oct 17th) who I finally let go on Oct 26th. And with rainchecking the Pisces since Oct 5th I really don't feel like he truly needed to ward me off. In fact I didn't contact him for a week in no kind of way after that first meeting (Oct 17th) mainly because I was hoping for the best with the former guy.

The day I threw in the towel is the day Pisces called me up again, unfortunately I was busy that weekend so I couldn't spend time with him, I told him next weekend would be good. By Monday he was calling me again to see if he could see me. Forgive me if I don't feel much hope for what he has with the other girl. I live 2hrs round trip away so if he is spending gas to come see me then they got bigger problems. Or he's lying. Every time I call or text he's not doing anything, where is gf... He copped an attitude (not a rude one but a sulky one) after I told him I would be getting to know other men. In addition, he cancelled our upcoming weekend plans of which he purposely made sure that each time we communicated that weekend I knew he was lounging, napping, being lazy or a bum (all his words). The whole weekend. Again, where is gf...

Maybe I just thought too deeply into his committment to her and came up with the final thoughts that it's non-existent no matter what his mouth says. I just don't feel compelled to step back. If he asked or mentioned it that he wanted to be a better boyfriend to her then I would. Otherwise, he's fair game.
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Even though you don't know me to figure out when is a good time to take me serious and when not to, take my word when I say pay my attitude little to no attention. I'm on the leo cusp and have Aries in my chart so I can be a real GRRRRRRRR sometimes. No excuse but I am sorry to make it seem like I was attacking you. Just the confrontation of words, not you. 🙂

First of all any man pursuing me when I am not pursuing back, who tells me that he has a gf and it's new, if he is still calling it new to me that's someone he met and went out on a date with and may be intimate with. It's new and as a Pisces (sensitive caring easily pulled into love) I take that as something he's in but not necessarily mentally or emotionally there.

That's like me telling someone at an interview, yes I have a job and I've been there for 8yrs and I see a future but I still want to check out my options. If I am on an interview I am considering rolling out on the job. I might stay if I don't find better but I'm still looking for better.

And, most men play games, many who are not pisces. I actually like Pisces because I feel at ease with them. I have about 3 other pisces interested in becoming my friend and so I feel safe should I choose to accept the mission for some odd reason. But, I am not really trying to figure this sign out at the moment but I definitely will seek your guidance should there come a time which if it does I hope communication problems don't arise like with the Scorp/Sag I just got over. I feel easy to talk to him and ask him questions but if I let my guards completely down I am not sure if I will feel that same way.
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MsAristocracy - my older brother is a Pisces and he is a walking nightmare! lol

I love him, but he's been Prince Charming to many women then turns around and is the villain. He lies, cheats, and steals. Nightmare. He's been married(a few times - lost count lol) and has cheated on every one. I wouldn't say that he didn't care about them or wasn't interested in them because he cheated, he just doesn't care about *ANYONE* as much as he cares about doing whatever he wants.

And my own opinion of why he pulled back to being "buddies?" You say you're celibate?

That's why.

If he's looking for some sex on the side and you're not putting out, then you're not worth the effort. He'll probably stick with his girlfriend whether she's giving him sex or not because that's where he sees his future, but he isn't trying to be physically faithful to her.

"Oh and by the way, he has some amount of respect for me because he was honest in letting me know about the relationship."

That might be it, but my bro does the exact same thing - he is totally open and honest about everything he has done and is doing because it causes a woman to let her guard down! She'll feel he's being upfront with **HER** and all the bad stuff he did/does to other women is in his past or has nothing to do with **HER** because he's honest and upfront with **HER**. Meanwhile, he sweeps her off her feet(Prince Charming) and when she finds out he is doing the same things to her, she's actually surprised because, she "didn't see it coming." That part always kills me.

"So, what was it you were saying... Oh right, that he has a relationship... puhleaze... He has a relationship when he makes the choice to accept and respect it and AGAIN, whether I am in the picture or not that will be his choice."

What comes around, goes around.
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Actually I am with you on that much Starfish, I haven't built up anything as far as what he and I have going on. I only build up the fact that he is not serious about his gf. However, I am not making him a candidate for being with me based on the fact that he is claiming to have a gf. That's why he never was an option to go with me on my trip.

However, if he lied about the gf as a way to put something between us until he was able to figure out what he wanted with me then he screwed himself because I am definitely getting to know other men for the sole purpose of the trip, one that he could've gone on with me had he been single. See, I have that much sense not to let myself get that involved his mess. 🙂
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I wouldn't be surprised if he cheated on me should we pursue anything. But, at the same time I am not going to try to keep a man that doesn't want to be kept. Eventually, I (a Virgo) will get the picture.

I totally said Moro was right about the two faces and only caring about themselves so I got that much. Also, I know he isn't being faithful to her. Also, I was celibate, not celibate anymore and he knows that. I told him about the former guy and I not working out.

What goes around comes around, I am way too strong to feel threatened by that. I am not the one doing anyone else wrong. He is not married or engaged, he's single and available IMO and if he was to cheat on me, that would be his character flaw not what I get back. There are men who have cheated on people who have done nothing wrong to them, that's certainly not karma.
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Actually, I just got out of the a REAL whirlwind with a Scorpio/Sag cusp. I just find this Pisces man a breeze. I know you guys feel that Pisces men are awful, and I blame it on the head in the clouds thing. But, I feel that all men of all signs have their crap they do or pull. As women in the dating world the only thing we can do is arm ourselves with the knowledge but we can't just give up on a potential whatever based on how awful his sign is. Sometimes those challenges make you stronger at least challenges are suppose to. There's not too many signs I won't date but Aries and Gemini will forever be on the list due to conflict regarding attitude and personality. Scorpios are probably my toughest challenge and every other sign is just all in a days work.
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I told him that I could see myself falling for him in early October didn't meet him or find out about her until I actually met him. When he told me that I put my feelings in check and I have not been falling for him. I am not playing a game either. What I am doing is enjoying whatever with him and at the same time I am not giving him my full attention. I do like him, I am not hung up on him though. I can walk away, I just choose not to because there's no one else yet. Not gonna close one door before another opens.

Also, he is clearly playing a game he just doesn't have my team effort going along with it hence his 'tude with me. So basically, based on what you and Starfish are saying, the gf exists. I can deal with that. The reason I say it's Pisces Fantasy is because if HE believes what he tells me about seeing a future with her then he either has her wrapped around his finger or his head is in the clouds. Mine isn't I got a great seat IMO.

I don't really see this going anyplace because I'm still tapped out from my previous relationship attempt so I'm really into the focusing and figuring. My only interest was if she existed at all and you two pretty much got me believing she does. Other than that I am just enjoying what is.

Lastly, I don't feel guilty. I haven't done anything wrong except give focus as to whether I SHOULD feel guilty thanks to you two. I truly do not feel responsible for them and he's a grown man, he can make his own decisions about who and how he wants to be with whomever. It's not his responsibility to give either of us what we seek. That's the greatness of being an individual. You belong to self first. 🙂
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MsPisces I agree with your statement on the karma and yes I did/do question whethere she exists only because he never brought her up before this. And, I am not doing myself wrong, he isn't my soul mate and last I checked he wasn't the last man on earth. Why should I have to do things write with someone I don't have real feelings for. He ruined that when he mentioned her. So, there went the foundation of anything. He's looking for fun, I got that and so fun is all I expect from him. Not a relationship.

The only thing I would have liked is to take him with me on the trip, outside of that I have no pressing needs from him. I'm not blind, if she exists then duh I know he's a cheater, do I think I can change him, no way, I've never thought that about anyone friend or foe. I love for people to be themselves, accept it. Change comes from within and its not anyone's responsibility but the person needing or desiring to change.
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"Starfish225: Scorpio men are not that hard either( could be bc I am Pisces sun talking) The main thing with all of these signs it to pay attention and watch the actions.."

That's what I was saying when I said "I feel that all men of all signs have their crap they do or pull. As women in the dating world the only thing we can do is arm ourselves with the knowledge..." All you can do is study and move forward based on the knowledge of what is being shown to you. If it's too hot in the kitchen then get out. This current kitchen isn't too hot for me though. It's rather refreshing from what I just went through.
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I don't know, he said it was new, and I asked him when did he plan to get married (based on the seeing a future thing) and he said when he was 50 and I said 50— and he said 40? so he may see something in her or he may not. I don't know and its not for me to figure out at this point. One of us will move on first so until then here I is.

Also, I know a lot of women who marry men who have cheated on them. Not counting the ones who didn't know the men were cheating. But, those women need their self-esteem checked. Also, I don't view cheating as completely horrible. I believe in open relationships not opposed to and I will forgive cheating in and out of marriage as long as it can be proven as a "heat of the moment" situation and not a habitual thing.

Maybe I am just different. Maybe its because I know I'm not perfect and I know even when I find love that there is still a man out there that can take my attention off of my husband it's just up to me to be strong enough to resist and get away from that temptation. Not everyone can get away or resist so in the heat of the moment I can forgive.
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Does he really care that much to win me? If he was playing the game wouldn't he be going on the trip? He's not in it for those reasons either at this point. It's just what it is. If I get caught up I might have to become proactive but I get bored easily so I don't know about that. He would seriously have to get in my head (quick) because it's late in "the game". Usually, a man has me when I am nuts about him and my feelings are overwhelming me. That's not the case, like I said I feel at ease like a summers breeze. He's almost in the friends zone. So, if he can pull himself up from there then he deserves to get my feelings. I welcome the challenge.
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Starfish I respect that in you, like I said earlier, we choose our battles, and I am not feeling this one on him. Now had he been in something that he conveyed to be serious to me and I was able to analyze it as such then maybe I would be on the Women's team, right now I am on the Self team. While in certain situations where true danger is posed I do believe saving one makes a difference. It's the world of dating and like I said right now, I have nothing else better and that won't be for long but for now it's what is. Maybe he'll straighten up when I move on and do right by her. I won't hold my breath though. So, I'll admit I have a role in him hurting her but that's a chance I don't mind taking when I get involve with a man. You expect the worse hope for the best. That's a life lesson.

But, this whole thing about me being responsible has me completely fascinated. So, give me some questions to ask him and I will come back with answers for you (hopefully) so that you guys will have a view into his committment.
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Again, that first statement was made before I knew of this girlfriend. Also, he can't win my feelings as long as she exists. And, I am so anal that she will not exist if I am in the picture which will probably mean he'll end up single because he won't want me after that lol. 🙂

He's not in the friends zone yet because a closed mouth don't get fed. I am no fool, not closing one door before another is opened. I did enough thumb twiddling while celibate. I don't need his respect. I roll with the punches, I know I will win some and lose some. So, if he doesn't become the true and saintly Prince Charming to me then so be it. Like always there will be others. Y'all are seriously trying to put this man in my head. I have never focused on him as much as I have today lol.

I've been hurt a lot, have hurt others less but it happens. I believe every experience is education no matter how painful. There are relationship hurts that I know I will never feel that depth of pain ever again in my life because of who it made me. I don't even cry anymore when I feel like I might lose a man. The only relationship fears I have that could knock me down is if something negatively life changing would happen like disease, mutually unwanted pregnancy, death or any confrontation from someone else like a wife. Otherwise I don't get too caught up.

One thing is for sure that if I get caught up in him the way you guys think I will then it will be for pure rush. My downfall with men like that is that I love the challenge of chase as much as they do. Conquering gives me a rush so the minute I get pursued I flip the script (think Nala flipping Simba in The Lion King).

All of my past long term relationships which were 6-9mos each have been with men who wer good for me. Anyone who poses bringing turmoil into my world is clearly allowed to for the rush behind it. Usually I don't conquer those men, I exhaust them and it poof just like that it's over. The only way I can have something with Mr. Pisces is if we end up being together based on both of us having no one else. Otherwise me chasing him once he riles me up will bore him and he'll move on, it will fuel me and get all whacky and eventually game over.

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I can have my cake and eat it too as well. Like I said I pretty much have ADD when it comes to relationship bs and that's probably more to do with I am usually out of a relationship more than I am in one. Most don't last long because I usually move on after a while. It's like the apple tree, No one wants the ones on the ground but aint nobody checking for the ones all the way at the top. If it's that hard to get then it aint meant for me. I move on. So, I seriously doubt that it will go the length you guys are saying. Gosh, I hope that my time's value is worth more than that. I've never given my attention to anything on that level before and this man certainly wouldn't be the one (IMO) to get me there. Then again, who knows. That would be a rush and a hoot.
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I always liked that "Common Denominator" method of looking at why one fails at relationships. But, I also want to put it out there that because it could be something about the person who has the failed r-ships does not necessarily mean that she or he is doing something wrong in a bad way.

It could be something that is a character flaw such as being too easy going and allowing people to walk all over you or just not being communicative enough. Looking within does not necessarily mean looking for the bad within but the thing that allowed/led to the behavior that caused the failure.
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In case not everyone has heard the coined phrase "The Common Denominator" its like this...

If someone has been married and divorced 6 times and blames all of their spouses for why things failed each time they should look at themselves because the one thing that those 6 relationships have in common is the person pointing the finger. The spouse in the mirror is the Common Denominator and should start with self to figure out what the problem is.
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This was such an excellent thread. I came back to read about this based on my feelings for the Pisces in print. Here is an update.

After this thread, he switched up saying that gas prices were too expensive. Wanted to see me on my lunch break vs. driving to my house to see me. I told him I wasn't comfortable with that and that what we have is too good to let Opec get in the way. That was Nov 12th and I had not heard anything else from him. I then met another Pisces who I was with until third week of January.

The weekend my Pisces ex-bf and I last spent together Jan 19-20. The former Pisces sent me texts. Dri Jan 18th > "What's up stranger, how you beeb?". I ignored it because I was happily involved. My Pisces bf came over Sat Jan 19th we got into a discussion that eventually led to our break-up but that next morning Sun Jan 20th I thought everything was still good between us. That morning the former Pisces sent another text saying "What are you doing?". I ignored that because my Pisces bf was still at my house and besides I was happy and not totally forgiving of the former Pisces ignoring me after Nov 12th.

By Jan 23rd I knew my current relationship was having problems and by Feb 6th it was confirmed over. In between this time I was realizing this possible outcome and was kicking myself for having ignored the former Pisces. I knew I was rude to him and so I couldn't contact him without putting the power in his hands. So, I just accepted defeat.

Fri Feb 15th I get a phone call from the former Pisces, I have his pic ID & # still saved. He re-introduces himself to me as if I had forgotten him. I think he called because the texts hadn't worked and he wanted to make sure it was still my # and not someone else he was mistaking. I assume.

He says that he wants to come down and see me that night. I told him sure. I ask him how is his gf he told me she was fine. He asked if I was seeing anyone I told him no, he says so you haven't met anyone and I told him pointedly there has been no one. No point in bringing up my Pisces ex-bf. Anyway, he asked what time to come by and I tell him around 11pm. He says ok.

I get to my city and I am in the grocery store and he is texting me back and forth about nothing really. So, after that I went home cooked, cleaned and prepared for the night. 11pm came and went and I heard nothing from him. The next morning he sent a text staing "Fell asleep, sorry." and I responded an hour later "Ok." and that was that.
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Yhis afternoon, he texts me "You busy?" and I say "No." he asks me if I want some company and that he might be able to get come down tonight. I tell him my monthly visitor is in town and that I wish I could with a sad smiley face. He responds with a sad smiley face saying "another time" and I tell him that he knows where to find me. About 1.5hrs later he responds "Yes I do" and I don't respond back.

The weekend where he fell asleep I had checked his online profile and he changed it to "In a Relationship" and I was so shocked. When I first met him online and when we ended his status was always single. I don't know what took place but he is now claiming his gf. Thats puzzled me so I am pretty much steering clear of him at this point. I know I he will be back and I won't be able to claim being on the rag but I will come up with something I guess or go back to ignoring him.

I really don't get why he needs to cheat on her. Why not just break it off? She obviously still is not completing him. Not to say that he can be satisfied but by now she has to know that something isn't right. Women's intuition and all. I wonder if he has been dipping out on her with other women between Nov 12 and Jan 18th.

I love the sex with him and wouldn't mind being back to that but I just really don't want to be apart of him dipping out on the same chick. It's definitely not a new relationship anymore.