People who know a pathological OR compulsive liar

This topic was created in the Relationships & Astrology forum by imnotvirgo on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 and has 21 replies.
how did you discovered the person was actually lying and if you know their placements-tell them.

Oh, and just to let you know, if you're not 100% sure what those two terms mean, here:

- Pathological liar - someone who lies purposefully in order to get things their own way and to manipulate others. This is the liar with ‘intent’.

- Compulsive liar - someone literally compelled to lie and who might make up stories with no real end goal in mind. A compulsive liar might lack impulse control and literally feel unable to tell the truth, or they might lie because they fear the truth and want to make up a more pleasurable narrative.

Soo ....

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Posted by SentimentalCrabby
Let's see, my Sagittarius ex was a pathological liar.

The only reason I know is because I've notice it too late when he tried to persuade me that my own best friend wasn't a good best friend & stop my long-term friendship with her. I've known my best friend for a long time since childhood. Let's call her M.

He would say that M is a really bad influence. That made me so angry. The only reason he thought so was because he wanted me to keep talking to him, so he doesn't always have to constantly wait for hours for me to call or text him. And he would say that M was preventing him to talk to me.

I hated his assumptions, just so he could have what he wanted. At that time I was staying over at M's place since I haven't seen her for a long time! M and I wanted to catch up on our talks and spend time together.

Later after we broke up, the only guy - best friend I have was being convinced to stop talking to me or my friendship all together. I only found out when "C" told me himself. C and I were having a group Skype call. And he randomly brought up about what my ex was telling him. C told me he'll never stop my friendship with me because he has known me for 5 years already, and he never met my boyfriend in person before.

My ex wasn't really a good loyal friend tbh. He would bad mouth his own best friends and tell me. I kept quiet because I didn't want to get involved in drama. I felt sorry for his friends thou, they think someone like this is a "loyal friend."

My dumbass self didn't take it to consideration that he talk so badly about his past ex, that he could do it to me too. And he have. Smfh.

Brainwash badly through the relationship, I've cut the ties with most of the people in the group, because he would tell me they've been talking badly behind my back. Later after the relationship was over, they told me it wasn't true. That they haven't spoken badly about me at all. I believed them, because before I even met my ex, my friendship with them was great to begin with.

Placements:

Sun Sag

Moon Aries

Rising Leo

Venus Scorpio
It seems so unreasonable, this dude manipulated the f out of you. Sorry that happened to you, also, I can't believe a sag would act like that Big Grin Aren't they all about freedom, fun and all of us making our own decisions Big Grin Maybe his scorp venus had something to do with it :?

Posted by blvckphase
I know someone who would seemingly fall under both categories.. He suffers with BPD though so I am not going to start throwing placements under the bus for it. It's common for someone who feels poorly about themselves and their life to lie or fabricate things.

And I discovered it through recognising inconsistencies in his stories.
Angry Is bpd treatable?
Yes my ex.

He would lie to the extent that you'd have to double check if he said he had a burger for lunch.

I first realized when we were dating and I left him. When we met back up to be friendly he told me he had bought tickets to a festival in Austin, TX. Presumably to impress me that he was doing great and going on vacation. I grew up with a compulsive liar mother, so I know immediately when someone is lying.

Anyways, he pretended to be on this trip. Didnt leave his house for 4 days. Made up elaborate stories, people, events, fake conversations, stuff that was just not necessary. He bought me a poster from the supposed festival, but didnt realize it was actually from a bands Australian tour. It took him two years to finally confess. If I told you other stories like this and the insane details he'd go into... youd be floored.

Sun Libra in house 10

Moon Scorpio in house 12

Mercury Scorpio house 11

Venus Scorpio in house 12

Mars Leo in house 9

Jupiter Libra in house 11

Saturn Libra in house 10

Uranus Scorpio in house 12

Neptune Sagittarius house 1

Pluto Libra in house 11

Ascendant Sagittarius in house 1
Ex husband Scorp is a pathological liar. He would lie to people and make up stories about his life seemingly just to get off on making others believe him.

It seemed like it boosted his ego. For instance at the shore once, walked up to a group of bikers acting like he knew about motorcycles and talks with them for about 20 minutes. They all believed him. He never rode a bike in his life.

Told one of our sons when he was 6 he played professional baseball, then my son goes into school and tells his friends only to get made fun of.

I could give many examples but it was just obvious. After we lived together, he didn’t care if I saw he was like that. Sometimes he believed his own lies. He still does. It’s sad really. Everyone sees through him after a while. Never at first though.

Most lies are easily figured out for me, simply because I look at the person overall and their actions outside of the lie.

For instance, there are pathological liars that lie for attention. This person needs to have a spotlight on them at all times, so they will do just about anything for that attention. Some will use hyper traumatic incidents, to garner the attention and validation they want. They almost become TOO detailed in the story, when talking about it, and don't exhibit the common traits that someone whom actually goes through it. The story usually develop and become twisted, each time they tell it as well. A good example of this, was when Lunabee made her abuse thread. The story started off about her significant other abused her. She posted up pictures of herself as further proof. As the attention she seeked, gained momentum, she couldn't stop herself and the truth came out. She actually hit her partner, ran away from him, tripped, and face planted into the road.

Then there are the pathological liars that mold their lies to present themselves as better individuals than they are. The ones that try and present themselves to be more successful in life, whether that be standard of living, or relationship value based. You can see it all over DXP. People forget, that to be a good liar, you have to have good memory. Most, even here, don't have good memories. I will run across people on here, that are single, and make posts that are geared solely to attract the opposite sex. For women, they project themselves to be Betty Crocker types, with minimal sexual partners. "Oh I have only slept with 2 men in my life!" But if you look at their past posting history, you can find how they talk about 3-4 different men based off their sign, and refer to FWB situations. Then you have the men, that project they are super successful career based, and are everything, everyone else wants to be. But really, they are what I refer to as "Oakland Red Bottoms". Because they have 800 dollar shoes, with 20 dollar Forever 21 dresses. They have spent their lives accumulating material objects, but live paycheck to paycheck. They essentially think the women populace will be more inclined to date them, if they project they are well off.

Compulsive lying is usually an ass ton of white lies, and developed as a defense mechanism. It is usually nothing to do with projection, or validation. It's usually a lie about the most asinine of things, but people lie so that a fuss doesn't need to happen, and the lie isn't going to cause emotional damage.

I find any sign capable of doing any of these things, so I don't think anyone should attribute lying to just one. Matter of fact, I think EVERYONE lies.
Posted by SentimentalCrabby

I wouldn't be able to tell if someone's lying online thou.
I have a spectacular visual memory. If I have read it, I will remember whom said it, and around the time frame that has been.

Most of the pathological liars on here, forget they say something.
Everybody knows at least one

How sad really
It was a Scorp friend of mine from a long time ago. She claimed to be ADHD or schizo or something and was allegedly on meds, but it was never confirmed. You literally could not hold a rational conversation with her because every single word that came out of her mouth was a lie. It was impossible to shoot the breeze with her. She just could not stop lying. One example being she'd go on about partying with DJs all around town but when I'd rattle off random local DJ names, she'd draw a blank - never heard of them.

I'd also get one story from her and then I'd get a completely different story from everyone else who knew her. When busted, she'd launch her theatrics routine about being sorry.......and then she'd do it all over again. She was also a major slut and she would constantly hit on my Virgo ex, who did not like being around her at all. Went on for a couple years and in the end I had enough of her theatrics. Fell out of touch and never made contact again.

She wasn't a mean person, she had a kind heart and was very forgiving. But was way too trashy for her own good, she had no self respect and always had a thing for those gross Lebanese guys who wear a ton of cheap perfume and think they're irresistible. They treated her like crap. I heard she's a single mom now.
Posted by imnotvirgo
how did you discovered the person was actually lying and if you know their placements-tell them.

Oh, and just to let you know, if you're not 100% sure what those two terms mean, here:

- Pathological liar - someone who lies purposefully in order to get things their own way and to manipulate others. This is the liar with ‘intent’.
These folks are dangerous, steer clear. Dont try to fix them.

Posted by imnotvirgo

- Compulsive liar - someone literally compelled to lie and who might make up stories with no real end goal in mind. A compulsive liar might lack impulse control and literally feel unable to tell the truth, or they might lie because they fear the truth and want to make up a more pleasurable narrative.

Soo ....

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these folks cant help it or are gossipy, cut them off from any real info. remaining friends with them is viable.

Posted by MiZLeo
Pisces Sun, Venus, mars

Cancer moon

Sag rising

Aqua mercury

His lies started to not make sense. Inconsistent. Sounded like he was on auto pilot a lot of the time. Narcissistic. I was suspicious but didn't have any proof. One day I decided to look him up in the circuit court system out of the blue. Found out he got a ticket the day before even tho he told me he was out of town. Asked him how he was doing the next day and he told me he was "still out of town"... funny since he just got a ticket up the road. A week later I check the court system again and all of a sudden he has a domestic abuse charge against him. Apparently he was shacking up with someone else for months. I had no idea. Haven't talked to him since. He has no idea I know.
That's bad..Well when you broke up with him didn't he ask you what's the reason ?
Posted by sierra_
my libra ex that jerk

libra sun

cap moon

virgo merc

virgo venus

gemini mars


it's so weird that almost all his exes were virgos too lol

those poor women

Do you usually get along with libras btw? I can't stand the guys, they can't stand me too Big Grin



Gem

Scorpio

Libra

Aqua
Posted by sierra_
Posted by imnotvirgo
Posted by sierra_
my libra ex that jerk

libra sun

cap moon

virgo merc

virgo venus

gemini mars


it's so weird that almost all his exes were virgos too lol

those poor women

Do you usually get along with libras btw? I can't stand the guys, they can't stand me too Big Grin

i have libra mars so yeah i guess that's why i tend to attract them

at first, we hit it off pretty well then their lack of commitment, constant lying, affinity for gossip, how they're always late for this and that... i just can't anymore.. we've had a good run for 2 years coz i've always been very forgiving... he's flirted with lots of other girls whilst in a relationship with me, dated some behind my back (assures me that he never had sex with any of them), made me look crazy to our common friends by deleting messages i sent to him to make me seem irrational.. then for one whole month every year i go to visit my mom and each time he'd be dating other women.. i've looked beyond all that.. i forgave and forgave..

until one of my pisces friends told me that he was trying to bang her and i've just had enough

really? one of my best friends?

fuck him im done

he just can't be alone for one month
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sounds AWFUL. what a prick lel
Posted by nikkistar
Most lies are easily figured out for me, simply because I look at the person overall and their actions outside of the lie.

For instance, there are pathological liars that lie for attention. This person needs to have a spotlight on them at all times, so they will do just about anything for that attention. Some will use hyper traumatic incidents, to garner the attention and validation they want. They almost become TOO detailed in the story, when talking about it, and don't exhibit the common traits that someone whom actually goes through it. The story usually develop and become twisted, each time they tell it as well. A good example of this, was when Lunabee made her abuse thread. The story started off about her significant other abused her. She posted up pictures of herself as further proof. As the attention she seeked, gained momentum, she couldn't stop herself and the truth came out. She actually hit her partner, ran away from him, tripped, and face planted into the road.

Then there are the pathological liars that mold their lies to present themselves as better individuals than they are. The ones that try and present themselves to be more successful in life, whether that be standard of living, or relationship value based. You can see it all over DXP. People forget, that to be a good liar, you have to have good memory. Most, even here, don't have good memories. I will run across people on here, that are single, and make posts that are geared solely to attract the opposite sex. For women, they project themselves to be Betty Crocker types, with minimal sexual partners. "Oh I have only slept with 2 men in my life!" But if you look at their past posting history, you can find how they talk about 3-4 different men based off their sign, and refer to FWB situations. Then you have the men, that project they are super successful career based, and are everything, everyone else wants to be. But really, they are what I refer to as "Oakland Red Bottoms". Because they have 800 dollar shoes, with 20 dollar Forever 21 dresses. They have spent their lives accumulating material objects, but live paycheck to paycheck. They essentially think the women populace will be more inclined to date them, if they project they are well off.

Compulsive lying is usually an ass ton of white lies, and developed as a defense mechanism. It is usually nothing to do with projection, or validation. It's usually a lie about the most asinine of things, but people lie so that a fuss doesn't need to happen, and the lie isn't going to cause emotional damage.

I find any sign capable of doing any of these things, so I don't think anyone should attribute lying to just one. Matter of fact, I think EVERYONE lies.


Appreciate the long and accurate answer. Can't say I didn't laughed at this Lunabee story Big Grin that poor thing.
I know two guys who are compulsive liars and they both have the same sun and moon signs !

Aqua sun

Scorpio moon
Posted by HeavyEntertainmentShow
It was a Scorp friend of mine from a long time ago. She claimed to be ADHD or schizo or something and was allegedly on meds, but it was never confirmed. You literally could not hold a rational conversation with her because every single word that came out of her mouth was a lie. It was impossible to shoot the breeze with her. She just could not stop lying. One example being she'd go on about partying with DJs all around town but when I'd rattle off random local DJ names, she'd draw a blank - never heard of them.

I'd also get one story from her and then I'd get a completely different story from everyone else who knew her. When busted, she'd launch her theatrics routine about being sorry.......and then she'd do it all over again. She was also a major slut and she would constantly hit on my Virgo ex, who did not like being around her at all. Went on for a couple years and in the end I had enough of her theatrics. Fell out of touch and never made contact again.

She wasn't a mean person, she had a kind heart and was very forgiving. But was way too trashy for her own good, she had no self respect and always had a thing for those gross Lebanese guys who wear a ton of cheap perfume and think they're irresistible. They treated her like crap. I heard she's a single mom now.
hm, I wouldn't believe she is schizo, however I kinda get that vibe that she actually can have some other mental disorder :?

Posted by ariesno
My father:

Sag sun, mercury and venus

Taurus moon

Cap mars

He cheated on my mom with multiple women for almost twenty years. He only stopped when she took revenge on him. When my mom decided she’d finally had enough and told him she was leaving him, he went to me, and my grandparents (his in laws), and told some sob story about my mother cheating on him and how she refused to stop, and he couldn’t take it anymore.

He’ll always tell white lies just to make himself sound interesting.

At this point he no longer remember whats real and what isn’t, I think.
Angry sorry to hear that. How can he expect your mothers parents to believe in his story, rather than hers? sounds like he does not want to accept the fact that your mother actually left him :/
Posted by tiziani
Posted by imnotvirgo

- Compulsive liar - someone literally compelled to lie and who might make up stories with no real end goal in mind.


People who get into astrology just to relive their pain over and over again.

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um that's like almost everyone... O_O


you did the same thing.
Posted by nikkistar
Most lies are easily figured out for me, simply because I look at the person overall and their actions outside of the lie.

For instance, there are pathological liars that lie for attention. This person needs to have a spotlight on them at all times, so they will do just about anything for that attention. Some will use hyper traumatic incidents, to garner the attention and validation they want. They almost become TOO detailed in the story, when talking about it, and don't exhibit the common traits that someone whom actually goes through it. The story usually develop and become twisted, each time they tell it as well. A good example of this, was when Lunabee made her abuse thread. The story started off about her significant other abused her. She posted up pictures of herself as further proof. As the attention she seeked, gained momentum, she couldn't stop herself and the truth came out. She actually hit her partner, ran away from him, tripped, and face planted into the road.

Then there are the pathological liars that mold their lies to present themselves as better individuals than they are. The ones that try and present themselves to be more successful in life, whether that be standard of living, or relationship value based. You can see it all over DXP. People forget, that to be a good liar, you have to have good memory. Most, even here, don't have good memories. I will run across people on here, that are single, and make posts that are geared solely to attract the opposite sex. For women, they project themselves to be Betty Crocker types, with minimal sexual partners. "Oh I have only slept with 2 men in my life!" But if you look at their past posting history, you can find how they talk about 3-4 different men based off their sign, and refer to FWB situations. Then you have the men, that project they are super successful career based, and are everything, everyone else wants to be. But really, they are what I refer to as "Oakland Red Bottoms". Because they have 800 dollar shoes, with 20 dollar Forever 21 dresses. They have spent their lives accumulating material objects, but live paycheck to paycheck. They essentially think the women populace will be more inclined to date them, if they project they are well off.

Compulsive lying is usually an ass ton of white lies, and developed as a defense mechanism. It is usually nothing to do with projection, or validation. It's usually a lie about the most asinine of things, but people lie so that a fuss doesn't need to happen, and the lie isn't going to cause emotional damage.

I find any sign capable of doing any of these things, so I don't think anyone should attribute lying to just one. Matter of fact, I think EVERYONE lies.


lol @nikki's observance...



i see that alot too but that's due to insecurity and boosting your ego.



i'm still lol'ing at Nikki's "But look at their postings and they talk about boasting 50 men...."when they were only dating 2 in their life.

lol@men with

" you have the men, that project they are super successful career based, and are everything, everyone else wants to be. But really, they are what I refer to as "Oakland Red Bottoms". Because they have 800 dollar shoes, with 20 dollar Forever 21 dresses. They have spent their lives accumulating material objects, but live paycheck to paycheck. They essentially think the women populace will be more inclined to date them, if they project they are well off." quote..

lol nikki gets down.


@tiz, i thought mostly to share what happened in the past with others and if it relates to astrology.

but yeah it's emotional based.