Believe or not
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What if you found yourself standing in front of God, would you believe it was really him? Or, think it was the devil? For, does anyone really see God with their own eyes.
If it's him and you don't believe, you're damned.
If it's the devil and you believe it's the diety, you're damned.
If it's him and you don't believe, you're damned.
If it's the devil and you believe it's the diety, you're damned.
I'd probably believe and hope for the best. If it was Satan then I'd be damned.
Just like in Rejeveck (don't know how to spell that), people see the Holy Mother, pray to her and ask her for miracles - but, what if it's a deciet? We aren't suppose to worship anyone other than God. So, why then would He send her for us to pray to? Is He trying to trick us? Is that why they say a multitude of people will be fooled, because God himself is the prangster?
I dont' get it. What's up with that?
I dont' get it. What's up with that?
'...What if you found yourself standing in front of God, would you believe it was really him? Or, think it was the devil?....'
ok my comment will be from a christian's point of view so guyz dont attack me
....
p-angel,
im sure we would know if itz God or not coz God never plays tricks on us.... he wouldnt just appear out of no where and expect you to fall on your knees and worship him..... the scriptures say that to behold God's glory a man has to be transfigured ( like moses was)... i personally dont think God would be ever coming on earth to see us...LOL
'...We aren't suppose to worship anyone other than God. ..'
totally agree, Mary was the mother of christ but that doesnt mean you worship her.. she was a holy woman and i respect her but we r commanded to only worship god... when God appeared to Moses he admonished him to 'call upon god in the name of chirst but worship HIM'....( meaning worship GOD)
ok my comment will be from a christian's point of view so guyz dont attack me
....p-angel,
im sure we would know if itz God or not coz God never plays tricks on us.... he wouldnt just appear out of no where and expect you to fall on your knees and worship him..... the scriptures say that to behold God's glory a man has to be transfigured ( like moses was)... i personally dont think God would be ever coming on earth to see us...LOL
'...We aren't suppose to worship anyone other than God. ..'
totally agree, Mary was the mother of christ but that doesnt mean you worship her.. she was a holy woman and i respect her but we r commanded to only worship god... when God appeared to Moses he admonished him to 'call upon god in the name of chirst but worship HIM'....( meaning worship GOD)
'..why then would He send her for us to pray to? Is He trying to trick us?...'
LOL... God wouldnt sent us people to pray to.... LOL.... God is just misunderstood and hey i'll get back to that but i have soooo much to do this morning but really thatz my favorite topic >>>>> GOD and religion
LOL... God wouldnt sent us people to pray to.... LOL.... God is just misunderstood and hey i'll get back to that but i have soooo much to do this morning but really thatz my favorite topic >>>>> GOD and religion
Ok, Eliza, I'll see ya after work.
monkey God forgive them
There has to be a valid reason for Mary blessing people with miracles. SHE is NOT God. Yet, people swear that she performs these. Perhaps, it isn't God's intention to have people worship her as she performs a miracle - but, they do. They fall to their feet and kiss the ground in praise. Now, if she is indeed the Holy Mother, then 1) God approves of her as a worship idol, or, 2)she's false and every person who recieves a mircle is getting marked.
Monkey Gods?
Monkey Gods?
"They fall to their feet"
lol, it would be hard to fall to your feet, haha . . . knees, that sounds better
lol, it would be hard to fall to your feet, haha . . . knees, that sounds better
In this section, look at the woman named Carolyn, asking the mother to bless her and love her and whatever all the praying is about. What the hell?
This seems wrong. How can a person say that they are faithful to god and then pray to her? That is a false idol. Makes no sense to me at all. She is NOT god, yet, people pray to her.
*scratches head in confoundment*
This seems wrong. How can a person say that they are faithful to god and then pray to her? That is a false idol. Makes no sense to me at all. She is NOT god, yet, people pray to her.
*scratches head in confoundment*
'...monkey God forgive them...'
hahahahaha james tate u never answered my last question??? go to the monkey n apes thread
hahahahaha james tate
u never answered my last question??? go to the monkey n apes thread P-angle,
i totally agree with you....but u know what people's worshippin' Mary doesnt bother me at all coz people have their own beliefs and religion is a very sensitive topic a... you cant point fingers at people and say he's wrong or shes wrong coz at the end of the day we dont know 100% whats true whats not except for our personal testimonies....
whatever makes sense to you believe that but why condemn others??? who are they harming??? NO one.... remember when christ was on earth and their was this guy casting out devils from others and christ's disciples said' lets go and stop him' but christ said ' Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.? (Luke 9:49-50)... im sure if we mean no harm to any one God will not condemn us....
and besides catholics were brought up that way.. they think since Mary is christ's mother she can pray for them and tell her son to be lenient towards us... i can understand their feelings though i dont totally agree with them...
i personally think every religion has a bit of truth... no ones 100% True like they profess....
i totally agree with you....but u know what people's worshippin' Mary doesnt bother me at all coz people have their own beliefs and religion is a very sensitive topic a... you cant point fingers at people and say he's wrong or shes wrong coz at the end of the day we dont know 100% whats true whats not except for our personal testimonies....
whatever makes sense to you believe that but why condemn others??? who are they harming??? NO one.... remember when christ was on earth and their was this guy casting out devils from others and christ's disciples said' lets go and stop him' but christ said ' Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.? (Luke 9:49-50)... im sure if we mean no harm to any one God will not condemn us....
and besides catholics were brought up that way.. they think since Mary is christ's mother she can pray for them and tell her son to be lenient towards us... i can understand their feelings though i dont totally agree with them...
i personally think every religion has a bit of truth... no ones 100% True like they profess....
The answer is no
whatever
ur opinion aint reality
I am the only thing real on this site. Everyone else is makebelieve. You may be the several armed goddes testing me or the monkey god for all I know.
I understand completely about everyone having a different belief system and surely nobody is right. There's no possible way that only ONE religion is correct and all the rest are wrong. Personally, I don't really care who believes in what and why. My only point is: How can a person claim to be blessed by having faith in God, and are saved by him, yet, pray to a person who is not GOD. Whether it be the son, or the mother, still is NOT God. So, my further point is that if this behaviour is acceptable by God and is allowed by God and these people are still going to go to heaven - then Christianity is a lie - Christ ISN'T the only way.
To me, in my mind, the Mother Mary performing miracles in the name of a God that she isn't, is proof to me. I realize that people are suppose to have "Blind Faith", but, that seems illogical and personally, I can't imagine that God would give us a brain as developed as ours and then tell us, "Be stupid, though. Don't use it" That makes no sense.
In fact, most things religious makes no sense to me. Why were we giving intelligence if we aren't suppose to use it?
I comprehend that there is another side. I've seen spirits, felt them, heard them, they are definitely there. No question that there are ghosts. I've seen evil and good. Once, I saw a Priest who was on the other side - so, there's no question in my mind that another level of existence is out there for us to pass to - I just don't know that I believe that Jesus is the only way. Can't be - if so, God wouldn't Mary perform miracles, he wouldn't allow people to pray to her and Jesus. He's a jealous God, so the bible says, he would be jealous that people were paying attention and praying to her and the son.
I don't know, just tossing this stuff around in my head, trying to make sense of it all.
To me, in my mind, the Mother Mary performing miracles in the name of a God that she isn't, is proof to me. I realize that people are suppose to have "Blind Faith", but, that seems illogical and personally, I can't imagine that God would give us a brain as developed as ours and then tell us, "Be stupid, though. Don't use it" That makes no sense.
In fact, most things religious makes no sense to me. Why were we giving intelligence if we aren't suppose to use it?
I comprehend that there is another side. I've seen spirits, felt them, heard them, they are definitely there. No question that there are ghosts. I've seen evil and good. Once, I saw a Priest who was on the other side - so, there's no question in my mind that another level of existence is out there for us to pass to - I just don't know that I believe that Jesus is the only way. Can't be - if so, God wouldn't Mary perform miracles, he wouldn't allow people to pray to her and Jesus. He's a jealous God, so the bible says, he would be jealous that people were paying attention and praying to her and the son.
I don't know, just tossing this stuff around in my head, trying to make sense of it all.
"and besides catholics were brought up that way.. they think since Mary is christ's mother she can pray for them and tell her son to be lenient towards us..."
See, this is part of what I mean. My husband was brought up Catholic, so I'm aware of all this stuff . . . but, the part about "tell her son to be lenient towards us" The Son, meaning Jesus is NOT GOD. Lenient towards us? He's not God !!!!!!
See, this is part of what I mean. My husband was brought up Catholic, so I'm aware of all this stuff . . . but, the part about "tell her son to be lenient towards us" The Son, meaning Jesus is NOT GOD. Lenient towards us? He's not God !!!!!!
I'm trying to make sense of it, but, it's not easy. And every time I ask someone, they just give me this same stuff that I've heard a million times.
You're just suppose to believe, and not question.
Then why do I think?
Why do I reason?
Why can I analyze?
Why were we giving this, to just close our eyes and jump.
Everything in this world, we as humans process with our brains, everything. Yet, the one thing that is suppose to be more important than anything else in this world - we aren't suppose to use our brains.
Am I the only one who see's that there's something seriously wrong with this picture?
You're just suppose to believe, and not question.
Then why do I think?
Why do I reason?
Why can I analyze?
Why were we giving this, to just close our eyes and jump.
Everything in this world, we as humans process with our brains, everything. Yet, the one thing that is suppose to be more important than anything else in this world - we aren't suppose to use our brains.
Am I the only one who see's that there's something seriously wrong with this picture?
Free will is one of Gods gifts to man.
That really answers the question, ladybug.
I mean, Lady M - sorry . . . M Lady.
How about a god for lack of a better name who says go out and kill everyone who disagrees with you, If you do this I will give you 70 virgins. I perfer a god or should I say I would respect a god who just throws lighting bolts at people like me, this way I could separate the gods from the men who would have people think they are goddly. Godly men who kill childern and there mothers or who say they are just like a cow or a goat property.
DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON GOD STUFF
DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON GOD STUFF
A new board instead of religion how about GOD STUFF
James you have free will, you really didnt have to come to this board.
So do you but even better you may get the chance to vote me off.
There must not be a God. There can't be, nothing adds up to even suggest that he is real, much less proof. The only thing we have is just people saying that he is. People can say anything they want. There's no proof. He does nothing, not even his own miracles - he would let someone else do the work for him.
He didn't HAVE to let Jesus die on the cross, in tremendous pain and suffering. Oh, I guess free will is only bestowed to us on earth. Left to Him, he would let this man called Jesus suffer. He didn't HAVE to do that. That was a choice. If he wanted the people down here to believe in him, then alls he had to do was make an appearance. Fill the sky with his face and voice - yep, that would have done it. Instead, he would let someone endure what this prophet suffered and call it "Love".
Hello?????????????
It all seems illogical. Free will? No, that's just saying we have a choice, that's not a gift. The gift is our brains. The gift is we weren't born a cow and utterly stupid beyond no end.
What is the point of letting Jesus die the way he did, instead of letting us know that he is there? Wouldn't that be the easy way? If what he wants is for people to believe in him and love him, then wouldn't life be a lot easier for him and us if he just wove his stuff around in the sky and said, "Here I am". Don't you think we would all believe then? Why wouldn't he do that? Because he wants us to fight over him?
Fight Over Him? That is what he wants, isn't it? What other reason is there not to do it the loving and peaceful way?
All these fights, these religious wars - and, yes, the killing of men for 70 virgins - all of it, that is was God wants - that is, if God exists. There's another way, yes there is, a way to have peace on this earth where we all live a gentle and compassionate life. None of us would ever doubt, hate or have combat with each other - but, no, he doesn't want that, does he?
He wants us to be at odds with each other. Think about that. He WANTS us to hate.
Heeeeeellllllllloooooooooooo ???????????????
He didn't HAVE to let Jesus die on the cross, in tremendous pain and suffering. Oh, I guess free will is only bestowed to us on earth. Left to Him, he would let this man called Jesus suffer. He didn't HAVE to do that. That was a choice. If he wanted the people down here to believe in him, then alls he had to do was make an appearance. Fill the sky with his face and voice - yep, that would have done it. Instead, he would let someone endure what this prophet suffered and call it "Love".
Hello?????????????
It all seems illogical. Free will? No, that's just saying we have a choice, that's not a gift. The gift is our brains. The gift is we weren't born a cow and utterly stupid beyond no end.
What is the point of letting Jesus die the way he did, instead of letting us know that he is there? Wouldn't that be the easy way? If what he wants is for people to believe in him and love him, then wouldn't life be a lot easier for him and us if he just wove his stuff around in the sky and said, "Here I am". Don't you think we would all believe then? Why wouldn't he do that? Because he wants us to fight over him?
Fight Over Him? That is what he wants, isn't it? What other reason is there not to do it the loving and peaceful way?
All these fights, these religious wars - and, yes, the killing of men for 70 virgins - all of it, that is was God wants - that is, if God exists. There's another way, yes there is, a way to have peace on this earth where we all live a gentle and compassionate life. None of us would ever doubt, hate or have combat with each other - but, no, he doesn't want that, does he?
He wants us to be at odds with each other. Think about that. He WANTS us to hate.
Heeeeeellllllllloooooooooooo ???????????????
'free will there is, for man to recognize his responsibility for his actions, Such is written in the Qur'an: "no one shall bear the burden of another."
Free will is the basis upon which one can be punished or rewarded in the afterlife.'
Thats if you choose to believe.....
How can i vote you off?
Free will is the basis upon which one can be punished or rewarded in the afterlife.'
Thats if you choose to believe.....
How can i vote you off?
God has nothing to do with what 'man' is doing.
You dont have to believe the religion stuff thats why they call it faith.
You dont have to believe the religion stuff thats why they call it faith.
"Free will is the basis upon which one can be punished or rewarded in the afterlife."
Think about that comment, Lady. Do you fully comprehend what that implies?
Think about that comment, Lady. Do you fully comprehend what that implies?
Punished? Why would he set anyone up to be punished, if you love them so much?
I wouldn't set up the people I love to be punished, would you?
I wouldn't set up the people I love to be punished, would you?
I mean, how much do you really love your husband, or mother if you test them, to see if they love you the way YOU want them to and if they don't, then punish them.
And WE are suppose to respect that? Just jump up and down to do whatever we possibly can to honor someone who would treat you that way?
Do you realize how ignornant that is?
Really, I'm not trying to insult you, but, that sounds really ignornant. Really stupid.
How far in this life would you get if you treated the people you love and who are suppose to love you that way? Yet, that is what is asked of us? To hate - but, call it love?
There's no logic - none whatsoever. And when I ask people these questions, they answer with the same ignorance - just believe without question.
And WE are suppose to respect that? Just jump up and down to do whatever we possibly can to honor someone who would treat you that way?
Do you realize how ignornant that is?
Really, I'm not trying to insult you, but, that sounds really ignornant. Really stupid.
How far in this life would you get if you treated the people you love and who are suppose to love you that way? Yet, that is what is asked of us? To hate - but, call it love?
There's no logic - none whatsoever. And when I ask people these questions, they answer with the same ignorance - just believe without question.
"God has nothing to do with what 'man' is doing."
Did you really say that?
Did you really say that?
Then what is it all for? If God wants nothing to do with man, the what the hell is this all about?
I didnt say he wants nothing to do with man... I said he doesnt necessarily control man...once again free will.
And you answer the same way - just believe without question - have faith.
Just a different voice, is all. But, still, nobody practices free will, just preaches it. Free will for what? What reason?
For Islam to believe what they want. Christians to believe what they want. Buddist to believe what they want. For what purpose?
So, we can be adversaries?
If he loved us that much - that damn much - why would he want us to be at conflict? Free will for what? So, we can choose to kill in the name of God? That's what free will is, you know. The ability to make a choice, that's all.
So, if I choose to kill someone now, then that's ok. Free will is crap.
Our brains is our gift - free will is just something we do with that brain. Choices is just something we do with our brains.
I choose to kill, and that should be just fine. Nobody can say a word, because, hey, I have FAITH that free will is a gift from God and I choose to kill.
And you cannot see how ignorant this is? You would just believe anyway, and choose NOT to use your intelligence? You don't care if you're ignorant?
Just a different voice, is all. But, still, nobody practices free will, just preaches it. Free will for what? What reason?
For Islam to believe what they want. Christians to believe what they want. Buddist to believe what they want. For what purpose?
So, we can be adversaries?
If he loved us that much - that damn much - why would he want us to be at conflict? Free will for what? So, we can choose to kill in the name of God? That's what free will is, you know. The ability to make a choice, that's all.
So, if I choose to kill someone now, then that's ok. Free will is crap.
Our brains is our gift - free will is just something we do with that brain. Choices is just something we do with our brains.
I choose to kill, and that should be just fine. Nobody can say a word, because, hey, I have FAITH that free will is a gift from God and I choose to kill.
And you cannot see how ignorant this is? You would just believe anyway, and choose NOT to use your intelligence? You don't care if you're ignorant?
Faith?
In what?
What exactly, Lady, are we suppose to have faith in?
In what?
What exactly, Lady, are we suppose to have faith in?
Why doesn't he want control? If he had control, maybe we wouldn't fight.
Are you saying he doesnt' want that? Are you saying, he wants us to fight, that's why he won't control us?
Are you saying he doesnt' want that? Are you saying, he wants us to fight, that's why he won't control us?
If you had power over someone, say, I don't know . . . how about your children, for example - wouldn't you control them? Wouldn't you prevent them from fighting, because . . . I don't know . . . you love them and you want them to do the right thing in life. You wouldn't want them to do the wrong thing so that you would have to punish them, because . . . you love them, right?
I really don't see why we should love God. I really don't understand what he does for us to gain our respect.
And the bible, well . . . that's just words written by men. God didn't write it, man did. And every man sees something different, because you know, they have free will, so they will interpret things differently because God doesn't control man, you know. so, it's just words written by men who aren't controlled, or loved.
Yet, we are suppose to just BELIEVE anyway? Just have faith, anyway? Faith in what? What is it God's doing that we should be jumping for joy?
And the bible, well . . . that's just words written by men. God didn't write it, man did. And every man sees something different, because you know, they have free will, so they will interpret things differently because God doesn't control man, you know. so, it's just words written by men who aren't controlled, or loved.
Yet, we are suppose to just BELIEVE anyway? Just have faith, anyway? Faith in what? What is it God's doing that we should be jumping for joy?
I understand the free will thing you are talking about, a person can believe, or they don't have to - that's the choice.
What I'm asking, is for what? Have in faith in what? Have faith that he loves us, eventhough he doesn't show it? Would you have faith your husband loved you, if he didn't show it? Would you? Answer that one? Would you?
Faith in what?
What I'm asking, is for what? Have in faith in what? Have faith that he loves us, eventhough he doesn't show it? Would you have faith your husband loved you, if he didn't show it? Would you? Answer that one? Would you?
Faith in what?
I'm not saying anything. If your really interested ask the right people or read about it yourself. I really dont like arguing/discussing religion. I just wanted to place in an opinion here and there. Religion is subjective and barely has hardcore facts, so its up to.
The same way your interpreting my words now, is how people interpret the written books (torah, bible, quran), your never really right. My theory is i'd rather believe and find out one day there is no God, than not to beleive and be shit out of luck.
just become an agnostic if its too much to handle.
The same way your interpreting my words now, is how people interpret the written books (torah, bible, quran), your never really right. My theory is i'd rather believe and find out one day there is no God, than not to beleive and be shit out of luck.
just become an agnostic if its too much to handle.
Faith in God period or a 'higher power'....to believe there is something out there greater than us and it has a plan.
I'm not argueing, I don't mean for it to sound that way. I'm just asking these questions and you are the only one responding.
And it's not too much to handle.
I'm trying to grasp blind faith, and I can't because I see no logic in it. sorry if it sounded like I was coming across that way - I just got worked up.
And it's not too much to handle.
I'm trying to grasp blind faith, and I can't because I see no logic in it. sorry if it sounded like I was coming across that way - I just got worked up.
I ask these kinds of questions all the time and the only answer I get is to just believe and not question. Why do I think, then?
My husband was raised Roman Catholic and once he turned 14 and was given the choice (free will), he ran as fast as his little feet would carry him because he asked these same questions, but, got no logical answer. It doesn't take logic, his Priest would tell him, it's called "Faith". "Why do I think, then," my husband asked and when this couldn't be answered, he left the church.
My husband was raised Roman Catholic and once he turned 14 and was given the choice (free will), he ran as fast as his little feet would carry him because he asked these same questions, but, got no logical answer. It doesn't take logic, his Priest would tell him, it's called "Faith". "Why do I think, then," my husband asked and when this couldn't be answered, he left the church.
quos'de-us vult per-de-re pri-us de-men-tat
'quos'de-us vult per-de-re pri-us de-men-tat'
James: explain please...
Okay P-Angel...we all deal with this sooner or later. I hope you find what your looking for.
James: explain please...
Okay P-Angel...we all deal with this sooner or later. I hope you find what your looking for.
those whom the god wishes to destroy he drives mad first a bit o Latin good Catholics know this.
I see
P-Angle
I believe that forgiveness is not a gift to the person that wronged you; Forgiveness is a gift to yourself so that you may go on with your life in peace.
Forgive yourself?.
Truth is in the mind of the believer?.
A man spends most of his life searching for a sense of peace that makes him whole. If that peace is religion, then so be it, for he is happy. No man can tell another where his path lies. Each person carries within them a destiny foretold by themselves alone. And "truth", as we know it, can change in the passing of the tides, it?s a fickle thing and can not be trusted?
"If you can't see God in everything then you can't see God in anything." Is a very old Sikh quote.
I believe that forgiveness is not a gift to the person that wronged you; Forgiveness is a gift to yourself so that you may go on with your life in peace.
Forgive yourself?.
Truth is in the mind of the believer?.
A man spends most of his life searching for a sense of peace that makes him whole. If that peace is religion, then so be it, for he is happy. No man can tell another where his path lies. Each person carries within them a destiny foretold by themselves alone. And "truth", as we know it, can change in the passing of the tides, it?s a fickle thing and can not be trusted?
"If you can't see God in everything then you can't see God in anything." Is a very old Sikh quote.
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12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321
1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321
1 x 9 + 2 = 11
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