Bible question
This topic was created in the Religion forum by P-Angel on Tuesday, May 1, 2007 and has 30 replies.
Within christianity .. does it say that we humans are the only (beings) in the universe? What I want to know is IF there were aliens, how would this set religiously speaking? If, by chance, it was proven that there was life on other planets, what kind of impact would that have in the christian belief system?
better yet what if we make contact and they are all hundards of years old and they don't have gods. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What an interesting question, P-Angel..'curiously something that has also crossed my mind from time to time, must be a piscean thing!..lol
Throwing all religion off to the side for just a moment; i've often wondered if we are an inferior alien race cast-off from some distant planet or ultra-verse. The aliens didn't quite get it right with us. Hense world wars, killings, bombings, violences, etc etc. of our known Earth. Maybe that could somehow explain the many alien sightings, abductions, and experiments throughout recent recorded history. Also makes you wonder why they are still keeping a close eye on us..(medically documented tracking 'implants') *it's kind of like a parent keeping an eye on a child; have they *grown up* yet, evolved..?? ...so many more questions, then answers..
It would certainly put all religious sects and the Christain bible into a muddy, murky tailspin, that's for sure..!
Throwing all religion off to the side for just a moment; i've often wondered if we are an inferior alien race cast-off from some distant planet or ultra-verse. The aliens didn't quite get it right with us. Hense world wars, killings, bombings, violences, etc etc. of our known Earth. Maybe that could somehow explain the many alien sightings, abductions, and experiments throughout recent recorded history. Also makes you wonder why they are still keeping a close eye on us..(medically documented tracking 'implants') *it's kind of like a parent keeping an eye on a child; have they *grown up* yet, evolved..?? ...so many more questions, then answers..
It would certainly put all religious sects and the Christain bible into a muddy, murky tailspin, that's for sure..!
That's exactly what I have thought, too, mystic. These aliens aren't aggressive. If they have the capability to space travel at their liesure, then they are far more superiour than us .. they don't harm us though, they watch over us .. they could annihilate us to complete devastation.
Sometimes, I wonder .. what if they planted the whole "God" concept in us, because our minds have retarded, we are actually like Darwin proposed as being in a degenerative condition, that's why there are wars, demented fornifictions, utter chaos in our minds, on our soils, in our hearts .. so, these superiour beings who were assigned to watch over us, planted within us a belief system who's intentions were to bring us to a place of love, so we wouldn't deteriorate faster.
I don't know .. just some thoughts .. which led me to think about the original question. What IF we had evidence of "other" beings .. what would that do to us down here? A tailspin would probably be right .. we'd probably all go mad.
Sometimes, I wonder .. what if they planted the whole "God" concept in us, because our minds have retarded, we are actually like Darwin proposed as being in a degenerative condition, that's why there are wars, demented fornifictions, utter chaos in our minds, on our soils, in our hearts .. so, these superiour beings who were assigned to watch over us, planted within us a belief system who's intentions were to bring us to a place of love, so we wouldn't deteriorate faster.
I don't know .. just some thoughts .. which led me to think about the original question. What IF we had evidence of "other" beings .. what would that do to us down here? A tailspin would probably be right .. we'd probably all go mad.
*Good points, P-Angel..! 'The one thing that gets to me though, is government conspiracy and cover-up. As the past has proven..aka *roswell and area 51*, etc. etc. No government should ever hide what does not belong to them in the first place. For so many reasons, the (people) have a right to know...*even if their reasoning is for our own protection; i still believe strongly that we have that right to this unimaginable knowledge and self-discovery of our own Universe. They can 'protect us', and be honest with us, at the same time. The Earth, the Universe, the very soil we stand on..'it belongs to all of us, and to none of us..
"Sometimes, I wonder .. what if they planted the whole "God" concept in us."
Could very well be..'who knows, maybe some type of mind control, to save us from ourselves..'interesting concept.
Could very well be..'who knows, maybe some type of mind control, to save us from ourselves..'interesting concept.
Gods were made up to control the masses. the egyptions came up with the first single god before that there were many gods in all religions.first there was ria then applo so forth and so on .
Look at all the evil done in the name of a God. look at what is going on right now.
Ask your self one question would the world be better off with out a God?
Look at all the evil done in the name of a God. look at what is going on right now.
Ask your self one question would the world be better off with out a God?
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE LIKE ME I MUST KILL YOU SO I CAN GO TO HEAVEN, HELL YES GIVE ME THAT GOOD OOLD TELIGION
"I would say that even if there is the discovery of alien life, the faith would still survive. It would merely incorporate aliens in the Bible like it incorporates everything else that pops up in modern times."
That's how my husband believes also. I figured it would destroy all faith people had and turn to utter chaos .. but, he believes that they will find a way, such as, leaders would then say that only (we) were created in his image, so we're the chosen ones, while the aliens weren't in his favor .. this way, like you said .. it would still give hope to people and let them believe that they were special.
"Ask your self one question would the world be better off with out a God?"
It would depend on the actual reason WHY we were led to believe this in the first place. If the intentions were to keep us having love in our hearts, then I don't see where that was a mistake.
That's how my husband believes also. I figured it would destroy all faith people had and turn to utter chaos .. but, he believes that they will find a way, such as, leaders would then say that only (we) were created in his image, so we're the chosen ones, while the aliens weren't in his favor .. this way, like you said .. it would still give hope to people and let them believe that they were special.
"Ask your self one question would the world be better off with out a God?"
It would depend on the actual reason WHY we were led to believe this in the first place. If the intentions were to keep us having love in our hearts, then I don't see where that was a mistake.
the eqyptians also were the first to come up with one God. Long before anyone else I am not saying at times they did not have I am just saying that at one time they had only one.
you are talking about the christians and jews god I am talking about all gods. even the christians and jews have had some rough times with there god.
you are talking about the christians and jews god I am talking about all gods. even the christians and jews have had some rough times with there god.
Ask your self one question would the world be better off with out a God?
NO!
What/Who God is (light/love) is not represented by what PEOPLE do in HIS name.
If life is discovered on any other planet I would simply attribute that life to God's creation. He created the "heavens" and the earth. So whatever else is out there is HIS.
"by Him Were ALL things created"...anyways, no lack of faith for me.
NO!
What/Who God is (light/love) is not represented by what PEOPLE do in HIS name.
If life is discovered on any other planet I would simply attribute that life to God's creation. He created the "heavens" and the earth. So whatever else is out there is HIS.
"by Him Were ALL things created"...anyways, no lack of faith for me.
I should say He is not ALWAYS represented by what people do in His name because some are doing wonderful things.
By the way, we WERE IMPLANTED with something..our spirit. It's what tells us deep down that there is a superior being. Makes us question, and search, and yet have free will to choose. If aliens did it, there would be no unbeleivers, doubters, mockers. (Unless of course they implant two and skip the next)http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http% 253A% 252F% 252Fwww.smileycentral.com% 252F% 253Fpartner% 253DZSzeb008% 255FZNxmk572YYUS% 2526i% 253D36% 252F36% 255F11% 255F23% 2526feat% 253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank">
Ha Ha, that's both funny and enlightening..! Speaking of implants; i'm kind of thinkin' if the aliens don't get to us first, who knows, maybe the government will..! LOL!
Mandatory implants..!?? i hope that never comes to pass; i'll pass on that..!
hmmmm, thinking now, which would be more frightening, alien implants or big brother's verison??
Mandatory implants..!?? i hope that never comes to pass; i'll pass on that..!
hmmmm, thinking now, which would be more frightening, alien implants or big brother's verison??
"hmmmm, thinking now, which would be more frightening, alien implants or big brother's verison?? "
Hey Mystic! I think big bro's version is going to be worse. You know those chips that they now put in pets with all of their info? They'll be doing that to us. Instead of swiping a credit card or atm card, they'll scan your wrist(or forehead). I think they are using it also for medical alerts like diabetes, drug allergies, stuff like that. Instead of stealing your wallet people will cut off your hand for identity theft. (Not funny I know).
We are headed that way.
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Hey Mystic! I think big bro's version is going to be worse. You know those chips that they now put in pets with all of their info? They'll be doing that to us. Instead of swiping a credit card or atm card, they'll scan your wrist(or forehead). I think they are using it also for medical alerts like diabetes, drug allergies, stuff like that. Instead of stealing your wallet people will cut off your hand for identity theft. (Not funny I know).
We are headed that way.
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i can sure see that, Jwalker; pretty scary stuff, indeed! i found this article on (RFID) Radio frequency identification ... where's the limit, and more importantly, where do human rights begin?? Employers may even want to implant chips inside their workers, or you'll be out of the loop, etc. etc. Who knows, likely just the tip of the iceberg. Compared to 50, 100 or 1000 years from now, we're still kind of living in the stone-age. i guess we should all enjoy the freedoms we still have, while we have them! 
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Even when Daniel was seeing his visions, the last of them were sealed up. The bible said me would first have to wander the earth back and forth, and knowledge would be increased.
English: New American Standard Bible
Daniel 12 [Context] [Commentary]
1. "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
2. "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
3. "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.
4. "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."
English: New American Standard Bible
Daniel 12 [Context] [Commentary]
1. "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
2. "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
3. "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.
4. "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."
"me"="we"
Oh and speaking of our rights.....I think most of us who have our eyes open see our rights starting to slip away from us. I can understand freedom of religion. What I don't understand is why someone of an Eastern religion can come and demand to have that religion recognized, at the same time we are being told we must take down crosses, or copies of the ten commandments. Why there are people fighting to take "In God We Trust" off of our money and put foot washes in restrooms for other religions. So ya...put the foot wash in, but I'm keeping the cross and my ten commandments up at my business ya know? Mark this..it will be a sad day when they try to take away our bibles,---- and they will. We don't need to cower in order to be fair!
I like the tee shirt kill them all and let GOD sort it out
He plans to sort it out...been telling us that all along.
Prophecy and prediction are not the same. Jean Dixon predicts.
"I should say He is not ALWAYS represented by what people do in His name because some are doing wonderful things."
Plus God gives you choices in life and he never forces anyone to do anything. That is why some people follow him, and some follow his enemy(satan).
Plus God gives you choices in life and he never forces anyone to do anything. That is why some people follow him, and some follow his enemy(satan).
"After reading Revelations, there is no way I can see any of it as true. There are plenty of written predictions of the End of days, why is this one so well believed? Ever wonder who decided to canonize this text, but not the others?"
The Book of Revelations is mostly spoken in parables, hardly literal
Except the part about the false christ and the second coming
It pretty much explains that there will one day be an attempt for a one world order, which is against God's will. Most will fall into the Devils trap and participate in this. But some will not. And it also says that not participating in this, will prevent you from buying or selling, so for most people it will hard not to follow this one world order.
I for one believe in the bible 100% because i just can't believe that this whole big huge universe was made by accident
Not tryna come off "Holier than thou" cuz i don't even go to church (cause most are corrupt anyway) but I read the bible heavy
The Book of Revelations is mostly spoken in parables, hardly literal
Except the part about the false christ and the second coming
It pretty much explains that there will one day be an attempt for a one world order, which is against God's will. Most will fall into the Devils trap and participate in this. But some will not. And it also says that not participating in this, will prevent you from buying or selling, so for most people it will hard not to follow this one world order.
I for one believe in the bible 100% because i just can't believe that this whole big huge universe was made by accident
Not tryna come off "Holier than thou" cuz i don't even go to church (cause most are corrupt anyway) but I read the bible heavy
*it will be hard not to follow
I don't know, OSG .. from my perspective, to believe in something 100% , without question seems to go against the very reason we have brains and the power of reasoning.
Furthermore, since I know that the bible was written 200 years after the fact .. it wouldn't seem prudent to follow blindly, for by the time 200 years have passed .. this information has been become legend and wasn't experienced by these men with first-hand knowledge, nor personal experience. Secondly .. people could only relate in terms which they understood at the time. For example: A ruler was called a God, the master of a household was called a God. Chariots of Fire could be a comet and these people thought it was a God, because they didn't know any better. And if the earth shook in a quake, or a volcanoe blew her top .. these people took it to mean, the Gods were angry. The crumbling of whatever that city was, Gomorah (?), could have very easily been an earthquake, and people back then had no clue to the earths process of reburbishing herself and adjusting with her tetonic plates ... so, it isn't concievable to me that these terms, phrases be taken literally .. as gospel. We already know that Noah's flood wasn't worldwide, as was previously thought.
So, in knowing this .. it wouldn't seem feasible to negate our intellect, and blindly say everything in the bible is accurate, for people could only relate with words in which they knew the meaning at a time when we didn't have the knowledge we have now.
At any rate .. so long as this brings you to a place of peace and love, then it has to be right for you
Furthermore, since I know that the bible was written 200 years after the fact .. it wouldn't seem prudent to follow blindly, for by the time 200 years have passed .. this information has been become legend and wasn't experienced by these men with first-hand knowledge, nor personal experience. Secondly .. people could only relate in terms which they understood at the time. For example: A ruler was called a God, the master of a household was called a God. Chariots of Fire could be a comet and these people thought it was a God, because they didn't know any better. And if the earth shook in a quake, or a volcanoe blew her top .. these people took it to mean, the Gods were angry. The crumbling of whatever that city was, Gomorah (?), could have very easily been an earthquake, and people back then had no clue to the earths process of reburbishing herself and adjusting with her tetonic plates ... so, it isn't concievable to me that these terms, phrases be taken literally .. as gospel. We already know that Noah's flood wasn't worldwide, as was previously thought.
So, in knowing this .. it wouldn't seem feasible to negate our intellect, and blindly say everything in the bible is accurate, for people could only relate with words in which they knew the meaning at a time when we didn't have the knowledge we have now.
At any rate .. so long as this brings you to a place of peace and love, then it has to be right for you
Taken from the Nag Hammadi .. the Gospel of Thomas (passages 13-16)
13. Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
14. Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits.
When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them.
After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."
15. Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father."
16. Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.
For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."
13. Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
14. Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits.
When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them.
After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."
15. Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father."
16. Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.
For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."
forgive them shaboom they no not what they speak of.
what if they show up and are completly differnt for us advanced beyound us and have no gods?
Genesis 6
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
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What's up with that? The sons of god weren't the same as the daughters of god and the daughters of man weren't the same as the sons of man?
the sons were of a god and the daughters were of a man? wtf?
Maybe it has to do with the giants who were around in those days. Maybe the sons of god were the giants, eh?
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4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
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What's up with that? The sons of god weren't the same as the daughters of god and the daughters of man weren't the same as the sons of man?
the sons were of a god and the daughters were of a man? wtf?
Maybe it has to do with the giants who were around in those days. Maybe the sons of god were the giants, eh?
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4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
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