Cults ....

Ever watch a special about religious cults?

They make it sound like these people are doing something horrible, and being brain-washed .. like this is some kind of evil thing to do, and their freaks .. yet ..

.. they are all happy, living harmonious, loving each other.


So what if they're brain-washed .. if it makes them really loving people who care for each other and their environment.

Nope, just all of them. I don't see why any of them are suppose to be wrong or bad.

The Zion Ranch and all the wives of the men ... those women want to be there .. this is their choice. The Family loved Manson .. this was their choice. Members within the Peoples Temple weren't murdered .. they choose to die .. this was their choice.

People look at only the horrible, and don't stop to think that the members were happy within this cult, everything they did was for love of their God, for love of their leader, for love of each other .. and I can't see where this is wrong.

Imagine being in your life where you had nothing, nobody .. you felt such an outcast, no place to belong .. lost in this world, loveless, heart aching to have a community. Then you hook up with a cult, where you now have a purpose, you are accepted, cherished, loved, valued, you have a place to belong.

From the outside looking in .. people would make judgement and say this is brain-washing, you were manipulated into believing that your leader was God .. so what, what other people think on the outside of the community? In "there" you found yourself, you were happy.

So long as a person is happy and makes them feel loved .. what difference does it make if the rest of society (outside the cult) approves?

It's like gayism to me .. what difference does it make if anyone else approves? If you are happy, and feel loved .. then be as gay as you want.

I watch specials all the time, and when there is one where they talk to members of these obscure religious sects .. these people adore their community, loyal, love their people .. they are exactly where they want to be to feel valuable in this world.

I can't see where that is wrong.

Cults are vilified by Christians and others in society for one and only one reason...because their choice of beliefs do not fit in with what society has deemed as the proverbial NORM.

If one's personal choice is to be a polygamist, live in a commune situation, believe as they choose, because they are comfortable with their choices, it will totally offend society...and they will NOT tell you why, because they FEAR that which they can't explain to THEIR satisfaction.

FEAR is the key factor here, followed by non-linear thinking, with a pinch of "lack of understanding" on the side. (Because questions are hardly ever asked, but a lot of assumptions will be guaranteed)

BTW...most religions, including Christianity are Cult organizations...😉

FEAR is the key factor here, followed by non-linear thinking, with a pinch of "lack of understanding" on the side. (Because questions are hardly ever asked, but a lot of assumptions will be guaranteed)

OOPPS!!!

Meant to say that FEAR is the key factor here, followed by LINEAR thinking....with a pinch of "lack of understanding on their side. (because questions are hardly ever asked, but a lot of assumptions will be guaranteed)

When one thinks outside the box, that is when all sides can be seen and acceptance is gained along with respecting the rights of others to be who they are.

i have no time for cults..:/

Well, remember Charles Manson put together that cult the "Manson Family" in the 1960's California? were a group of young woman commented Terrible murders? "Helter Skelter". was that justified? All I am saying is that all cults are not good, who would want to be brain washed anyhow? I want to be free willed the way God made me. The freedom to do as i please. If one is taught something repeatedly, one tends to believe it and disreguard the beliefs of others. A cult is defined as - a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies. A cult is not necessaraly religious because they even have satanic cults who worship satan himself. What do u say about that? Satan is reguarded as evil, he is affiliated with evil. So you see, cults that brain wash people to believe such things are not acceptable.

Christianity is not considered a cult because there is free will in Christianity, including Islam. Free will- to do as one please. As I said b4, cults are reguarded as people who drill a certain belief in ones head because they are weak and need to believe something. So these people adapt to this and will not study beyond. Humans must read, God gave us free will to think for our selves, God loves a free willed person a person that questions.

"What do u say about that?"


I say .. will is free to do as you please so long as you don't break the rules that are laid out for you to consider free .. break them and you burn.


I say .. Christianity is a brain-washing, a program telling people that if they follow the rules, but, call it Free Will, then they won't burn in hell ... also, these people don't question anything outside of this program.

See Christinity doesn't have rules and many Christans think that if u do not follow there rules then automatically going to hell...so un true. If you truly study Christianity then you wouldn't care what other humans think about you, but only care what God thinks of u. Screw everyone else thoughts. There no one to Judge😉 Treat others as u do yourself, that is the true Christianity, the natural law.. Christian fellowship.

Just to set it straight ... Tex Watson commited the murders, the girls were accessories to the crime. Manson didn't have those people killed .. his family assumed that this is what he wanted them to do, and ALL of them even testified, and have maintained all these years that Manson NEVER told them to do it.

Because they were brain washed!

People have words of saying things, he may have not told the girls to do it. But he implied it. Accessories. These woman minds were altered to belive in what they were taught.

Never mind .....

ME .. as usual, you missed the point of the topic.


This isn't about understanding, or not understanding what brain-washing is, or what religion is or is not .. it's about whether it's an actual benefit for a person's well-being, or not.

When you get out of your shell, and learn to comprehend what you read ... you'll be able to grasp my higher concepts.

Nevermind ... just look overhead.

in order to be classified as a cult, it has to be harmful in some way.

Harmful to who?


If the people inside don't feel like there's any harm .. then there isn't from their perspective.

If from the perspective of the outside looking in, that's it's harmful .. then that's just a judgement on something they don't know personally, and measure from it's in opposition according to their own standards.

Same could go for a religion ... Islam thinks Christianity is wrong .. it's all perspective, it's all about how the people within this society view their world as right for them .. even if somebody else looking in might not see it as right.

If it is for the members, and it is their life to live ... then how can another person say their way of living is wrong?

Is that like going over to Iraq and saying you guys are living wrong, this isn't right .. let me take over and SHOW you how to do it right?

Same principal ... if these people in a cult have a quality to their lives, in which they benefit with loving hearts ... then it's right, even if it's a cult, even if they worship Satan.

It is considered wrong, to me... if it harms another human being. If something is wrong what makes it right? and if something is right what makes it wrong? It's all cultural. Yes I believe if u understand religions and were it came from then u can understand this concept more🙂 ur right moon_eyes. This world was built on the idea of religion every thing we do has some form of religious belief to it.

Yes, it is cultural .. they have their own.

What goes on in a different culture, such as outside of the cult, is an entirely different culture .. and doesn't have a right to say.

Again, this isn't about understanding the religions for the belief systems .. it's about people having their own right to decide what is right or wrong for them, and if it is right for them .. then it is right, whether anybody else approves, or not ... because nobody else has a right to decide how another is going to live.

Actually, it's me who can really see the whole picture, and everyone else who can only acknowledge a single tree.


I am talking about a concept of quality of living as a being .. not the continuity of existence.

I merely used those cults as an example because they are ones in which people would recognize ... and it shouldn't surprise me that people picked out single trees to focus on, to comment on within this because the mind is limited to only being able to process one type of approved quality of life, for it to be a right one.

And the sad part to that ^^^ is, it is then judged across the board to believe that every person is bound to it.


It wouldn't matter if it was a cult of button collectors and built entire cities to house their sacred buttons ... if this made them happy, if this gave them a community in which they felt valued and had self worth ... then bless all the button praisers because they have a real life worth living.

One day of life is everything, if it is everything.


80 years of life is nothing, if it is nothing.



To die as a child, to die as an old man of 100, to die as a fetus .... all means nothing, because it is only recognizing an end, completely disregarding life of the living.

This irritates the fuck out of me when people do this.

You would focus on the fact that someone died. That is what you see.
There was life in there.
That ^^ is what matters .. not the date of death, the cause of death.


I feel the same way when people say they could never pull the plug on a loved one vegatating, or a pet that needs mercy ... they are focused on death, DEATH ... they cannot handle the end.

And the reason they cannot handle the end is because they have forgotten the preciousness of the life.

To die for a cause, is a good life .. if you have nothing to die for, the you have nothing to live for.

There's no shame in dying for a cause, and there's no dishonor or disregard for life to die for it .... Jesus did.

Look at how miserable most people are living outside.

They want to belong
They want to be understood
They want to be valued
They want to be loved
They want to be respected

They want .... all these people who yearn everyday for these wants, it is because they don't have. If they had, they wouldn't have to want.

Those are people who live on the outside ... on the outside of what they want but cannot have.

Inside, you are valued highly, you are complete, this is your place .. and because you have found your place in life .. you no longer have a desperate yearning of wants that forces you to push forward in search of fulfillment. You no longer suffer the disappoinment of not having.


If living inside a community makes you feel that everyday of your life is worth living in happiness, without the misery from the disappointment .... then this is a good life, this is life worth living.

Sounds like you are trying to find definition, and can only assume that others who know what the secret is are simply assuming to know ... if you are slighted from this awareness then nobody can possibly know.

If you could expand your mind, you might realize that this thread, though is based around happiness of people, it's angle of delivery is by saying ... we don't know these things, so how can society make a judgment call to say that this is bad for other people.

You obviously missed this, as did others who posted because you would then say that I must think I know, or am assuming, or I am making some kind of absolute claim that must be proven.


You've no clue what I'm saying, as with the others. Sobeit, if you cannot understand what it means for someone to make an observation from an impersonal standpoint ... you can only think from a subjective position and would believe that I do. Oh well, I cannot help it if you cannot understand.

People are so dense .. like a cloud covering them, it becomes so thick with grayness that the only thing they have is to just feel all as if it's intended towards them personally, because you never know inside this fog, and anything could be potentially aimed at you .... so, since you have become imprisoned inside this density, there is no way to remove yourself, to remove your personal feelings from inside the cage, so everything that is said or done, can only be processed personally.

There is no other way when a person is suffering inside their density, because they dont' know what they don't know .. they might even think they are happy.

And still, a response would come about a definition of a cult, rather than what this thread is actually about, eventhough it's been explained.


"If someone really thinks that no one knows a thing about cults"


When I said that you all don't know what I'm talking about, this wasn't inferring that you don't know the definition of a cult, the definition of the actual cult plays no part in this thread.

I know your brain is as swift as Joey's on friends, so I'll let a few minutes pass for this to catch up to you, if it can .. if not, then here's a pat on the head ahead of time **hands picture book to you**

You're so stupid moon_eyes, that you've failed to comprehend that this thread is about happiness, and how life-rewarding it is ... and think it's about negative energy because your emotion about me is so cemented in your brain, that you are unable to see past that at what lies outside of cage you've created for yourself.

And that doesn't make me look stupid .. it makes you look stupid. Because if you weren't, you'd recognize that this thread is saying that it's ok to be happy, even if other people don't approve of you, or accept you.


You wonder why I always tell you you're stupid?

Because you are.

Look just right here.

Alright, Moon_eyes, since you, among others really don't know, I will tell you.

A cult is every other religioun other than yours. Seriously, you need to educate yourself on what a cult is. You would say it's all about brainwashing ... well, what the fuck do you think ANY religion is, dumbass?

so, what do you consider yourself .. lucky? Lucky that you were born into the right one, since this is the one you believe in?

Just like .. you're lucky to be an American because you were born one? Or lucky to be (this particular race) because you were born one?

How stupid can a person possibly be? Just because you were born within a group doesn't make IT the one, and opposing beliefs are a bad, or a cult.

A cult is any groups who's belief system isn't relative to your own.

Are you really THAT lucky? Or ... do you just think you are because this religious philosophy is what you were taught to believe in as a child.

Ding, ding, ding .... (assuming it's possible for lights to go off in your head).




Clearly people believe what they are taught as children. So if you are in the religion you were raised in, if you practice ANY kind of religion that you were taught as a child ... you are in a cult.




People are so fucking stupid .... it literally amazes me that humans haven't gone extinct yet. I mean, for reals .... they would have a religious belief and not even realize that the only reason they have this philosophy is because they were TAUGHT it = conditioning of the brain.



Geez ............ stupid fucking people ... Moon_eyes, leader of the group of stupidity, it appears.

Do you know what relativism means?

You should try it sometime, it may prevent you from looking so dumb next time.


Here's an example, since you obviously need lessons, for if you didn't need lessons than you would have gotten this already ..


A Muslim, for example, can stone a woman to death for sexual events might seem abnormal to you. There are many ancient cultures who had Gods that demanded animal and human sacrifice. Now, if you believe in God ... anything that is "God's will" is considered to be ( normal ), (((( because of brain conditioning )))) no matter how bizarre God might get.

Example .... the Bible tells us that God killed the first born male of all the Egyptians. People who believe the Bible accept God's behavior as "normal" .... murder, fucking murder of babies is normal ... because Christianity is a fucking cult.


If a person is not familiar with the Biblical story of Moses and someone told them there was a deity who mass murdered innocent children ... then they would believe it was the work of Satan, it would be believed that this is an evil cult .... who kills children.

There is no right or wrong ... there is only an absolute objective perspective as to who is in a cult and who is not? If what you consider to be a cult is wrong then you are the misled, by their standards, who think they are on a right path.

What you consider freedom, or "gods free will" might be the work of demons that control us through the illusion of free thinking .. have you ever heard religious organzations tell a person not to think? Not to use any reason or logic to be saved? Just suspend it all, close your eyes and just believe, blind faith faithfully?


What the fuck do you think that is ^^^ Moon_eyes and any of the rest of you who would come in here, compleltely misunderstanding what this thread is about and attempt to tel me that I know not about the bigger picture .. when it's all of you who is this stupid, that you would not even realize that if you believe in anything religious, using relativism as programmed into you from being taught it, makes you a member of a fucking cult.


People's stupidity is just incredible.

Are you happy? do you feel a part of a community? Is this bliss, this ignorance?

Good, if it feels good to you, then how can it be wrong? if it's not wrong for you, then other peoples beliefs are not wrong for them.

It's all relative

so back to original thought ....


If a person is happy in their cult, if they feel like they have comrades, allies, love, understanding, comfort .. whatever kind of positive feelings they have existing within this community ... then they are really the blessed ones no matter how disgruntled the people are on the outside of this sect who are looking in with disapproval.


Kind of reminds me of a retarded child. People would look at him and think how aweful, look how he has to live, he has been slighted the opportunity to have a full life, how miserable he must be.


And yet, he is smiling ... while the outsiders looking in are frowning.

He is in his own world, that revolves around emotions in him that make him happy .. just to be alive, and will giggle at a cieling tile.

The others, the ones not in his world, would look at him with negative emotions, such as sadness, or pity .. and think he is unfortunate ..


Eventhough he is happy, and they are not.



For people, the wind just blows and blows ... and they think life is the actual wind .... without ever looking at what the wind is carrying, what it is made out of, WHY it blows.

YES WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ROAD WORK YOU WERE GOING TO DO? AKLL THAT PAVING UNDER YOUR FEET? ARE YOU WAITING ON A STIMULASS PACKAGE? I THINK A VIRGO CAN STIMULATE YOUR ASS! SOUNDS LIKE A COUNTY WORKER TO ME
ALL TALK AND NO ACTION!

Actually Contessina ... moon_eyes is the dumbass, and yes I read your post. However, you weren't addressing the topic.

You were addressing what a cult is.

And that isn't the topic.

My description of a cult in my latest post was for Moon_eyes, who seems to have no clue what one is. I realize that you realize what one is, Contessina .... however, again .. this thread isn't about what it is .. the thread is about why it is.

P-Angel ur Topic says cults🙂

Cancershorti .. do you honestly believe that I have no clue that this thread has the word "cult" in it? Seriously, don't make yourself sound stupid like other people in here.

You would make a comment to say .. "P-Angel ur Topic says cults" ... as if you know something I don't and you have to inform me of what word I typed?

Geeeez ........

Look, you and others come in here to answer a question I never even asked, Cancershorti ... the answer that came here was to clarify ((((((what)))))) a cult is .. and I never fucking even asked this question.

I said .... "So what if they're brain-washed .. if it makes them really loving people who care for each other and their environment."

I said .... "So long as a person is happy and makes them feel loved .. what difference does it make if the rest of society (outside the cult) approves?

I said .... "It's like gayism to me .. what difference does it make if anyone else approves? If you are happy, and feel loved .. then be as gay as you want."

I said ... "I watch specials all the time, and when there is one where they talk to members of these obscure religious sects .. these people adore their community, loyal, love their people .. they are exactly where they want to be to feel valuable in this world."



Where exactly in those does it even come close to me asking the question .. What is a cult?

Yet, that is what you and the other people answered, because I guess the mind can only comprehend one layer at a time, I don't know ... and it heard the top layer, "cult", and P-Angel said how can this be wrong, so she must not understand.


wtf ——


Anything can be a cult, Christianity is a cult .... any belief system that differs from your own that you practice is a fucking cult.

Don't be stupid Cancershorti .. seriously.

Put aside your own obssession with your religion, put aside the Christian inclination to be judgemental of other cults that aren't within your practice and actually think, or better yet .... FEEL ..... the below quotes from page one ...

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People look at only the horrible, and don't stop to think that the members were happy within this cult, everything they did was for love of their God, for love of their leader, for love of each other .. and I can't see where this is wrong.

Imagine being in your life where you had nothing, nobody .. you felt such an outcast, no place to belong .. lost in this world, loveless, heart aching to have a community. Then you hook up with a cult, where you now have a purpose, you are accepted, cherished, loved, valued, you have a place to belong.

From the outside looking in .. people would make judgement and say this is brain-washing, you were manipulated into believing that your leader was God .. so what, what other people think on the outside of the community? In "there" you found yourself, you were happy.

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Put aside your judgements and condemnation for a second, oh good Christian that you think you are for being judgemental of other belief systems because they aren't yours ... and feel this ....... feel what it must feel like for a person who has nothing ..


.... nothing .... nobody ... all alone, and in despair ..

Can you feel that ^^^^^ you're a Cancer, can you not feel that?

You know empathy?



If a person feels they are worthless, fucking worthless in this world ... and they found an avenue in which made them happy, and raised their self-esteem to where they realized they had value in this world ..... then how can this be wrong, simply because it isn't what you think is right?


.... how can this be wrong for the other person, simply because it is not right for you? For a person to say it isn't right for the other is in essence saying ... other people don't have a right to live their lives by their own free will.



But, I know .... that is conceptual and will be above brain-power of comprehending ..... what will be comprehended is an assessment that I mis-understand what a cult is, and so this must be explained to a lower mind like mind .... when in reality, the one who answers to me what a cult is, is actually the lower mind because it cannot comprehend the conceptual.



::::: sighs ::::::



I am alone

P- Angel please get a life u seriously need help. As far as I'm concerned you have no clue in what you want to talk about. You don't have a clear Thesis at all. You title a topic cults in hopes to find out what a cult is, but then talk about something totally different. Yes i agree that anything can be a cult and i have said this before that i feel religions are cults derived from culture. You come on this site insulting me as if I insulted you. To me, you sound quit angry and confused. I simply said that ur Thesis says cults which means you want to talk about cults. Your too old to act in such a way that you do, as for me stupid is as stupid does and my friend, your acting really stupid like🙂

"As far as I'm concerned you have no clue in what you want to talk about. You don't have a clear Thesis at all. You title a topic cults in hopes to find out what a cult is, but then talk about something totally different."


:::: shakes head :::::


there's a new Cancer in here pretty stupid, you two obviously are, my brother, my s-i-l, a lady I work with, Sandy on Survivor, my nephew ..... all Cancers, and dense ... maybe it's actually a sign thing and you just can't help it.


If you cannot comprehend what this thread is about, then that's not really my problem .. it's your problem because life has many more, much important things in it to comprehend .. and if you cannot grasp this ... then I hope your god helps you.

"You title a topic cults in hopes to find out what a cult is, but then talk about something totally different"




For one last time ..... because this isn't about WHAT a cult is .... it's about WHY a cult is.


Two different things ... what versus why


You dumbfucks keep answering ((((what)))) it is .... so this confusion is your own mind not being able to see past What it is, to grasp that the topic is about (((((((((( why ))))))))) it exists.

Wat is up with this Cnacer thing? Please, give the horoscope thing a rest. It's pretty STUPID to base someone on a horoscope. p-Devil get a life. Now did i say Devil?

Didn't we have this conversation before P?

Tsk. tsk.

What an amazing topic .... however, I realize that most people are too subjective to fully comprehend what this means, because if they do, then they will scare themselves. Mainly because people are afraid.

Afraid of what MIGHT happen to them if they do something wrong .... in their life of having free will.



At any rate ..... I bring up this old topic because of it's value, which is a lot.

It is curious to me, as to why there are religious sects who believe that their sect is correct, while all others are not.

Eventhough, the members of all of these other sects were happy in their beliefs.


To look at a historical view, we see that society has always been intolerant of new religions, eventhough these religious sects were thriving, peace loving and overall good FOR their people.

Early christians were crucified ... many christian sects perceived as heretical were tortured into submission or were burned at the stake ... the puritans were bullied and attacked so bad that they had to be ushered out of England.

Still, today, we see religious sects being persecuted ... Johovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Quakers, Black Muslims, to name a few ... these people experience/suffer religious persecution by people who think that they are wrong, based on nothing except opinion.



Yet, I'd be willing to wager that all of them felt a sense of belonging, a sense of feeling important ... BECAUSE of being a member of each of those particular cults.

How can being a member of that cult be wrong, if it makes you feel like you have a reason to live?

I'm sure there are dangerous cults .... like the radicals are in any sect. Even in religious sects of popularity, such as the one that attacked on 9/11 are dangerous, while being a current part of our society.

so, to pick out the bad ones to only comprehend to say that cults are awful is very one-sided.


I am speaking about religious sects that provide life to people who otherwise were nothing, people who had no reason to live.


Like The Family ... I was watching some videos taken during interviews with some of the Family members, and they still Love Charlie. I know that is probably too difficult for people to fathom because people have been brain-washed by the media to fully believe that Manson is evil, so then anything associated with him is pure evil.

Yet, after all these years, and all this time spent in prison .... they still love him, they still believe in their core principals of what the family stands for.

That speaks volumes.

Without Charlie, those people would likely have had a much worse life. Even in prison, they feel love .. and what part of feeling loved is wrong?

It is about how the members feel.

yeah, any religion (IMHO they all cults) may bring happiness to an individual. Just like booze or a mind-altering drug.
If that brings out the best that person can be..well OK. Why does it seem that for cults it so often ends in a murder spree, a suicide pact, sexual abuse..or in case of bigger cults (the big religions) genocide, bombings, and war.

They demand total authority, and suppress skepticism. How could that ever enhance human potential?