DwellingOnMove
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Question about Lucifer
Okay, this is what I have been taught:
Satan is here to gather people to go to hell with him. That is his bet with God - that he will take God's beloved man to hell with him. Satan doesn't punish, but he leads people to The Punishment. He will not get bored in hell because hell is a painful place and he will suffer. But he will be happy that he has brought you to suffer with him.
Satan is here to gather people to go to hell with him. That is his bet with God - that he will take God's beloved man to hell with him. Satan doesn't punish, but he leads people to The Punishment. He will not get bored in hell because hell is a painful place and he will suffer. But he will be happy that he has brought you to suffer with him.
Posted by DickButt
No he's a sworn enemy of god who has vowed to mislead people into sin as long as the earth is turning, while god says he will continue to forgive them as long as they repent.
Ah, thank you. I get from your response that he has no additional responsibility to punish us.
Not sure if he is an enemy of God. To my information he rebelled, doubted, debated, and got permission for a special task which is misleading.
God gave him the permission or the mission and yet told him he would be put to hell forever. as a result.
Posted by LillyPetal
Okay, this is what I have been taught:
Satan is here to gather people to go to hell with him. That is his bet with God - that he will take God's beloved man to hell with him. Satan doesn't punish, but he leads people to The Punishment. He will not get bored in hell because hell is a painful place and he will suffer. But he will be happy that he has brought you to suffer with him.
ok, I have never heard of "gathering fellows for the hell". but I like the concept. it makes sense. thank you for the feedback.
I don't know why they try to change the info about Satan.
Posted by DwellingOnMovePop culture purposesPosted by LillyPetal
Okay, this is what I have been taught:
Satan is here to gather people to go to hell with him. That is his bet with God - that he will take God's beloved man to hell with him. Satan doesn't punish, but he leads people to The Punishment. He will not get bored in hell because hell is a painful place and he will suffer. But he will be happy that he has brought you to suffer with him.
ok, I have never heard of "gathering fellows for the hell". but I like the concept. it makes sense. thank you for the feedback.
I don't know why they try to change the info about Satan.click to expand
Also, perhaps if they made it too close to what people actually believe, they may offend some people. Also, creative liberty, I guess.
Posted by DickButtCan you explain "hubris"?Posted by DwellingOnMoveAfter rebelling and asking for respite till the day of judgement, his hubris led him to where he is now. His hubris cause him to rebel. God hates hubris, in my religion it is said a mustard seeds worth of hubris will cause one to go to hell. So in that interpretation i concluded he's an enemy to God. But you are also right in your reasoning.Posted by DickButt
No he's a sworn enemy of god who has vowed to mislead people into sin as long as the earth is turning, while god says he will continue to forgive them as long as they repent.
Ah, thank you. I get from your response that he has no additional responsibility to punish us.
Not sure if he is an enemy of God. To my information he rebelled, doubted, debated, and got permission for a special task which is misleading.
God gave him the permission or the mission and yet told him he would be put to hell forever. as a result.click to expand
God is dead.
Posted by LillyPetalPosted by DwellingOnMovePop culture purposesPosted by LillyPetal
.... Satan doesn't punish, but he leads people to The Punishment. He will not get bored in hell because hell is a painful place and he will suffer. But he will be happy that he has brought you to suffer with him.
... I don't know why they try to change the info about Satan.
Also, perhaps if they made it too close to what people actually believe, they may offend some people. Also, creative liberty, I guess.
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Posted by LadyNeptune
God is dead.click to expand
you see? they say God is dead but are still flirting with the concept of Satan. and change the concept for entertainment goals.
The spider man, or the fantastic four, or Thor&Odin&Loki did not confuse me at all. But with this punishing Lucifer I feel betrayed. I can have peace again if I find a wiki site about nordic mythology. Or Indian whatever.
Can't ever expect a tv series to get anything right.
Artistic license has its flaws.
Artistic license has its flaws.
Posted by Impulsv
How does it work for the religions that believe in karma
well, which religion is it? I'm still googling.
Posted by LillyPetalPosted by DwellingOnMovePosted by LillyPetal
.... Satan doesn't punish, but he leads people to The Punishment....
... I don't know why they try to change the info about Satan.
Pop culture purposes
... creative liberty, I guess.click to expand
With googling "Lucifer karma" I get lots of entries for "Huge Lucifer* - Karma (CD, Album) at Discogs".
It seems "Lucifer" and "Karma" are trendy.
This reminds me of 2 broke girls and the "cronut" craze: half-croissant and half-donut sums up two things together that those people loved. Yeah, this TV Lucifer brings two things in one. Punishment and Seduction.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveThe TV show is purely for entertainment purposes. It's a reproduction of the graphic novel series, which is much closer to the concept of Lucifer's existence and purpose. Unfortunately because of media hype etc., the TV series completely misses the mark.Posted by LillyPetalPosted by DwellingOnMovePop culture purposesPosted by LillyPetal
.... Satan doesn't punish, but he leads people to The Punishment. He will not get bored in hell because hell is a painful place and he will suffer. But he will be happy that he has brought you to suffer with him.
... I don't know why they try to change the info about Satan.
Also, perhaps if they made it too close to what people actually believe, they may offend some people. Also, creative liberty, I guess.
+Posted by LadyNeptune
God is dead.
you see? they say God is dead but are still flirting with the concept of Satan. and change the concept for entertainment goals.
The spider man, or the fantastic four, or Thor&Odin&Loki did not confuse me at all. But with this punishing Lucifer I feel betrayed. I can have peace again if I find a wiki site about nordic mythology. Or Indian whatever.click to expand
Posted by DwellingOnMoveNo... no punishing duties.
does Satan have any punishing duties or responsibility according to the religions you know? if yes, would he punish us in this life?
I got the feeling that the TV series "Lucifer" is giving wrong information. What I have learned from the old religions is that Satan seduces us, we do sins, we die, and in an unknown point of time there will be a court, then we go to the hell. There we get punished. Also Satan gets punished. Ok, about the last one I'm not sure. Maybe his punishment is to become bored with the hell. probably cause his competency is unsed.
In the TV series Lucifer tends to punish people for their sins. I mean is he a judge? Or has the concept of Satan older roots than in the middle eastern religions?
He's the Adversary... not the Judge.
There will be no Hell, when it's all over, nor will there be
any death-- both are thrown into the lake of fire.
'... and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into
the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the
false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night --
to the ages of the ages.
... and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire --
this [is] the second death... '
-Rev. 20:10,14, 15
YLT
Posted by lady_chatterley
... our own thoughts or ideas that leads us astray.
... devil simply means selfishness, turning oneself away from God, the evil you might call it.
...
I guess I understand your concept better. Also because I can bring "the punishing" into the equation. So Lucifer (~= selfishness) misleads me, and once I realize what a mistake I did, it (the realisation or Lucifer) makes me blame/hate/harm myself for my sin/flaws/imperfection. So I get punished.
I can understand it as long as external events are excluded. Only my own mind is involved. This is why believing in a forgiving God is part of the belief. Doubting it is losing twice to Satan.
PS: this seems to work but not sure if this comes form any holy books.
To OP.
Lucifer is a cute TV show with an interesting twist.
Satan in the Jewish tradition is not necessarily a physical being, but a state where man bends to evil inclinations. The most notable area in the Old Testament where Satan is an actual being is in Job, where God and "the adversary" essentially bet that Job's piety is only because things are going great for him.
I'll let you look up the details--its an interesting story.
Non-canonical sources state that when God revealed his plan, Lucifer refused to bow to man who was created in the image of God (the sin of pride, which is considered the kernel of all other sins).
Then the war in Heaven, etc..
There isn't a guy with a van dyke beard and a pitchfork waiting to roast someone over a spit for jaywalking.
It boils down to the concept of "free will". One's actions or lack thereof that result in denying God, or violation of the Golden Rule, are a result of pride. This results in "the absence of God", through denial.
In fact, Hell can be described as the absence of God.
We punish ourselves. If Satan does act, it is to whisper to man or woman to give into their baser instincts, and it is their decisions that plot the course. The punishments are self-fulfilling prophecies as such, IMHO.
To use media (as you have in your OP), think of it as Marley forging his spiritual chains in "A Christmas Carol", or the initial fate of Annie Collins in "What Dreams May Come".
Lucifer is a cute TV show with an interesting twist.
Satan in the Jewish tradition is not necessarily a physical being, but a state where man bends to evil inclinations. The most notable area in the Old Testament where Satan is an actual being is in Job, where God and "the adversary" essentially bet that Job's piety is only because things are going great for him.
I'll let you look up the details--its an interesting story.
Non-canonical sources state that when God revealed his plan, Lucifer refused to bow to man who was created in the image of God (the sin of pride, which is considered the kernel of all other sins).
Then the war in Heaven, etc..
There isn't a guy with a van dyke beard and a pitchfork waiting to roast someone over a spit for jaywalking.
It boils down to the concept of "free will". One's actions or lack thereof that result in denying God, or violation of the Golden Rule, are a result of pride. This results in "the absence of God", through denial.
In fact, Hell can be described as the absence of God.
We punish ourselves. If Satan does act, it is to whisper to man or woman to give into their baser instincts, and it is their decisions that plot the course. The punishments are self-fulfilling prophecies as such, IMHO.
To use media (as you have in your OP), think of it as Marley forging his spiritual chains in "A Christmas Carol", or the initial fate of Annie Collins in "What Dreams May Come".
Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
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To use media (as you have in your OP), think of it as Marley forging his spiritual chains in "A Christmas Carol", or the initial fate of Annie Collins in "What Dreams May Come".
oh, I like the Job's story. Especially the part where people say Job is getting punished cause he have done wrong.
But back to the media and pop culture. Actually I don't know why I am so mad at this picturing of Lucifer. Maybe I am a bigot? It was easier for me back then to watch Al Pacino's "The Devil's Advocate".
Maybe I have Asperger regarding spirituality.
It makes no sense, you're supposed to be scared of the devil, but actually it's god you should be scared of, and you'll be punished by the devil but actually it'll be Satan who'll be thrown in the lake of fire they literally have no idea wtf they talking about.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveIt's just television. Be entertained, but I certainly wouldn't build a theology around it, LOL.Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
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To use media (as you have in your OP), think of it as Marley forging his spiritual chains in "A Christmas Carol", or the initial fate of Annie Collins in "What Dreams May Come".
oh, I like the Job's story. Especially the part where people say Job is getting punished cause he have done wrong.
But back to the media and pop culture. Actually I don't know why I am so mad at this picturing of Lucifer. Maybe I am a bigot? It was easier for me back then to watch Al Pacino's "The Devil's Advocate".
Maybe I have Asperger regarding spirituality.click to expand
The interesting part of "The Devil's Advocate" is the interaction after things come to a head when Kevin and Satan are talking. Kevin stating that the abandonment of his wife was "you made me do it". That's when Satan points out that he didn't make Kevin do anything, it was Kevin's vanity (pride) that led him to do what he did.
"Free will, its a bitch".
The German wiki for Lucifer has a text which I cannot see in the English version.
"Similar figures
The scheme of stealing fire from Gods, rebeling against them, falling into disgrace with them, and/or getting banned/exiled from their realm exists in several religions. Accordingly, Lucifer is sometimes associated with The deity Loki of the Nordic mythology or Prometheus of Greek mythology."
"Similar figures
The scheme of stealing fire from Gods, rebeling against them, falling into disgrace with them, and/or getting banned/exiled from their realm exists in several religions. Accordingly, Lucifer is sometimes associated with The deity Loki of the Nordic mythology or Prometheus of Greek mythology."
I actually have some respect for Satanist beliefs. I've found that lot of what I know (which isn't much) is based in the Old Testament stories.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
Posted by bricklemark
It makes no sense, you're supposed to be scared of the devil, but actually it's god you should be scared of, and you'll be punished by the devil but actually it'll be Satan who'll be thrown in the lake of fire they literally have no idea wtf they talking about.
you nailed it.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveThe answers are here: http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/topics/satan
does Satan have any punishing duties or responsibility according to the religions you know? if yes, would he punish us in this life?
I got the feeling that the TV series "Lucifer" is giving wrong information. What I have learned from the old religions is that Satan seduces us, we do sins, we die, and in an unknown point of time there will be a court, then we go to the hell. There we get punished. Also Satan gets punished. Ok, about the last one I'm not sure. Maybe his punishment is to become bored with the hell. probably cause his competency is unsed.
In the TV series Lucifer tends to punish people for their sins. I mean is he a judge? Or has the concept of Satan older roots than in the middle eastern religions?
I don't like typing alot... so, I look for webpages that coincide with what I know.
for today I have to leave. sad.
but I'm so thankful for the posts from Seraphlight, Sultrykitty and VenusAquarius.
but I'm so thankful for the posts from Seraphlight, Sultrykitty and VenusAquarius.
Posted by sultrykitty
... introduce us to knowledge ... become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
...
So first he got his own punishment plan, then he asked God for a favor?
I know what you are saying by "knowledge". In this thread we did not talk about "light bringer". Which is actually the translation of Lucifer. We did not talk about the morning star (or the tract/behavior of Venus). But I sense your post goes to the same path. kind of.
Posted by sultrykitty
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Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
...
I think the devil made us see we have "free will" and if we use it, we can achieve a lot. So there was a basic knowledge. And then the tsunami of everything else. So the science.
But the story does not end at that point. We started to have pain cause we can feel the the pain of our fellow humans whenever we violate their rights. This is why the story also tells how to deal with the results of the free will. Like ask God/fellow to forgive you, have faith that they forgive you and push on the RESET button.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveLucifer was punished, but they have a "balancing" kind of relationship. They work together as adversaries. It's all part of the story, part of the plan. You find it a lot in Jewish writings, and also in the New Testament, where Jesus plays the role of advocate in the courtroom, against the prosecutor ( satan) and God (judge).Posted by sultrykitty
... introduce us to knowledge ... become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
...
So first he got his own punishment plan, then he asked God for a favor?
I know what you are saying by "knowledge". In this thread we did not talk about "light bringer". Which is actually the translation of Lucifer. We did not talk about the morning star (or the tract/behavior of Venus). But I sense your post goes to the same path. kind of.click to expand
Posted by MontgomeryYESSSS. 🙂Posted by DwellingOnMoveNo... no punishing duties.
does Satan have any punishing duties or responsibility according to the religions you know? if yes, would he punish us in this life?
I got the feeling that the TV series "Lucifer" is giving wrong information. What I have learned from the old religions is that Satan seduces us, we do sins, we die, and in an unknown point of time there will be a court, then we go to the hell. There we get punished. Also Satan gets punished. Ok, about the last one I'm not sure. Maybe his punishment is to become bored with the hell. probably cause his competency is unsed.
In the TV series Lucifer tends to punish people for their sins. I mean is he a judge? Or has the concept of Satan older roots than in the middle eastern religions?
He's the Adversary... not the Judge.
There will be no Hell, when it's all over, nor will there be
any death-- both are thrown into the lake of fire.
'... and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into
the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the
false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night --
to the ages of the ages.
... and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire --
this [is] the second death... '
-Rev. 20:10,14, 15
YLT
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Posted by sultrykittyI want to pick your brain.
I actually have some respect for Satanist beliefs. I've found that lot of what I know (which isn't much) is based in the Old Testament stories.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
What do you know of Christian Gnosticism?
15 years in, I'm still exploring that aspect of Christianity. I am aware of the Gnostic Gospels but that's about it.
Posted by GetMistedMy first thought when I first read Genesis.
God doesn't want us to know we have free will?
Sounds like a dictator.
Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyI want to pick your brain.
I actually have some respect for Satanist beliefs. I've found that lot of what I know (which isn't much) is based in the Old Testament stories.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
What do you know of Christian Gnosticism?
15 years in, I'm still exploring that aspect of Christianity. I am aware of the Gnostic Gospels but that's about it.click to expand
Not a ton, I debated a little with a Gnostic (an ex-Muslim) and it was very interesting. I know more than some buy can't speak with any authority. All I can do is apply apologetics to their arguments.
Posted by sultrykittyAny references you could recommend? (Apart from the Gospels.)Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyI want to pick your brain.
I actually have some respect for Satanist beliefs. I've found that lot of what I know (which isn't much) is based in the Old Testament stories.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
What do you know of Christian Gnosticism?
15 years in, I'm still exploring that aspect of Christianity. I am aware of the Gnostic Gospels but that's about it.
Not a ton, I debated a little with a Gnostic (an ex-Muslim) and it was very interesting. I know more than some buy can't speak with any authority. All I can do is apply apologetics to their arguments.
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Posted by GetMistedAccording to the creation story, man was meant to remain innocent, like the other animals. We were also meant to be immortal, like the angels. Loved, and obedient. That changed with the fruit of knowledge. We are living the contingency plan. 😄
God doesn't want us to know we have free will?
Sounds like a dictator.
Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyAny references you could recommend? (Apart from the Gospels.)Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyI want to pick your brain.
I actually have some respect for Satanist beliefs. I've found that lot of what I know (which isn't much) is based in the Old Testament stories.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
What do you know of Christian Gnosticism?
15 years in, I'm still exploring that aspect of Christianity. I am aware of the Gnostic Gospels but that's about it.
Not a ton, I debated a little with a Gnostic (an ex-Muslim) and it was very interesting. I know more than some buy can't speak with any authority. All I can do is apply apologetics to their arguments.
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For Gnostic teachings or apologetics?
Posted by sultrykittyBoth or either.Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyAny references you could recommend? (Apart from the Gospels.)Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyI want to pick your brain.
I actually have some respect for Satanist beliefs. I've found that lot of what I know (which isn't much) is based in the Old Testament stories.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
What do you know of Christian Gnosticism?
15 years in, I'm still exploring that aspect of Christianity. I am aware of the Gnostic Gospels but that's about it.
Not a ton, I debated a little with a Gnostic (an ex-Muslim) and it was very interesting. I know more than some buy can't speak with any authority. All I can do is apply apologetics to their arguments.
For Gnostic teachings or apologetics?
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Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyBoth or either.Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyAny references you could recommend? (Apart from the Gospels.)Posted by Ram416Posted by sultrykittyI want to pick your brain.
I actually have some respect for Satanist beliefs. I've found that lot of what I know (which isn't much) is based in the Old Testament stories.
Satan's role, as in the Garden, is to tempt us not to sin in the traditional sense (sex, gluttony, pride, etc) but to introduce us to knowledge that we have "no business" knowing. The knowledge of God, of how to give life, how to manipulate matter. To have power over our own mortality, and how to become independent from God, as gods to ourselves.
By that rebellion, which is what cast Lucifer out of Heaven, we have purposely distanced ourselves from God, and that is how we end (or exist after death). This is how Lucifer gets his "revenge" for being cast out and less favored.
This is how I interpret the story of the Garden.
What do you know of Christian Gnosticism?
15 years in, I'm still exploring that aspect of Christianity. I am aware of the Gnostic Gospels but that's about it.
Not a ton, I debated a little with a Gnostic (an ex-Muslim) and it was very interesting. I know more than some buy can't speak with any authority. All I can do is apply apologetics to their arguments.
For Gnostic teachings or apologetics?
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I'm on my desktop now - that's where all my old bookmarks are. I'll see what I can dig up. 🙂
I was actually trying to find the debate/discussions I had with the Gnostic guy but it's been so long and the forum is no longer in my bookmarks, nor are any of the sites I used to use all the time. I found the forum (I posted in 2007) but I can't find that discussion. I usually post links so thought there would be something
😢
But in searching, I found this. I used to use this a lot.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com
😢
But in searching, I found this. I used to use this a lot.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com
And there used to be a comprehensive website of NT Wrights sermons and writings, but the site is different now.
Posted by sultrykittyBookmarked for later reading. Both yours and Impulsv's.
I was actually trying to find the debate/discussions I had with the Gnostic guy but it's been so long and the forum is no longer in my bookmarks, nor are any of the sites I used to use all the time. I found the forum (I posted in 2007) but I can't find that discussion. I usually post links so thought there would be something
😢
But in searching, I found this. I used to use this a lot.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com
Thank you!
Interesting article:
https://phys.org/news/2006-08-devil-prince-darkness-misunderstood-ucla.html
"A strict reading of the Bible shows Satan to be less like Darth Vader and more and more like an overzealous prosecutor," said Kelly, a UCLA professor emeritus of English and the former director of the university's Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies. "He's not so much the proud and angry figure who turns away from God as [he is] a Joseph McCarthy or J. Edgar Hoover. Satan's basic intention is to uncover wrongdoing and treachery, however overzealous and unscrupulous the means. But he's still part of God's administration."
https://phys.org/news/2006-08-devil-prince-darkness-misunderstood-ucla.html
"A strict reading of the Bible shows Satan to be less like Darth Vader and more and more like an overzealous prosecutor," said Kelly, a UCLA professor emeritus of English and the former director of the university's Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies. "He's not so much the proud and angry figure who turns away from God as [he is] a Joseph McCarthy or J. Edgar Hoover. Satan's basic intention is to uncover wrongdoing and treachery, however overzealous and unscrupulous the means. But he's still part of God's administration."
Posted by DwellingOnMoveStealing fire is a metaphor for reproduction, your kids growing up and learning about sexuality, getting agressive, so you have to kick them out.
The German wiki for Lucifer has a text which I cannot see in the English version.
"Similar figures
The scheme of stealing fire from Gods, rebeling against them, falling into disgrace with them, and/or getting banned/exiled from their realm exists in several religions. Accordingly, Lucifer is sometimes associated with The deity Loki of the Nordic mythology or Prometheus of Greek mythology."
Posted by bricklemarkPosted by DwellingOnMoveStealing fire is a metaphor for reproduction, your kids growing up and learning about sexuality, getting agressive, so you have to kick them out.
The German wiki for Lucifer has a text which I cannot see in the English version.
"Similar figures
The scheme of stealing fire from Gods, rebeling against them, falling into disgrace with them, and/or getting banned/exiled from their realm exists in several religions. Accordingly, Lucifer is sometimes associated with The deity Loki of the Nordic mythology or Prometheus of Greek mythology."click to expand
Thank you for the interpretation. that sounds sound.
and this moving out is the beginning of the catastrophe which is the dating life. lol
they say God had to give Adam's children angels for pairing. to avoid incest. we see even half angel in our family tree could helps us only little to be innocent. we bad. lol
Posted by sultrykitty
Interesting article:
https://phys.org/news/2006-08-devil-prince-darkness-misunderstood-ucla.html
"... overzealous prosecutor," ... uncover wrongdoing and treachery, however overzealous and unscrupulous the means. But he's still part of God's administration."
I watched the series in little peaces and I found this is what the series say. Satan was just doing his job. It is people who have wishes. He just asks them. well, he could keep it low key.
complicated administration. and motivations.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveDating life, and also labor. It says man will have to toil, or work the land or smth.Posted by bricklemarkPosted by DwellingOnMoveStealing fire is a metaphor for reproduction, your kids growing up and learning about sexuality, getting agressive, so you have to kick them out.
The German wiki for Lucifer has a text which I cannot see in the English version.
"Similar figures
The scheme of stealing fire from Gods, rebeling against them, falling into disgrace with them, and/or getting banned/exiled from their realm exists in several religions. Accordingly, Lucifer is sometimes associated with The deity Loki of the Nordic mythology or Prometheus of Greek mythology."
Thank you for the interpretation. that sounds sound.
and this moving out is the beginning of the catastrophe which is the dating life. lol
they say God had to give Adam's children angels for pairing. to avoid incest. we see even half angel in our family tree could helps us only little to be innocent. we bad. lolclick to expand
Never heard of the angels for pairing...jews are them maybe
First of all GOD & SATAN are not an individual entity/person/soul/spirit
What religions mean by the terms God/Satan is the ying yang energy- the balance of these two positive and negative energies.
How we act on a day to day basis either creates God energy or Satan energy as we are all born knowing what is right or wrong. Life is that constant battle of going either way and succumbing to our selfish needs and wants or acting from the heart with compassion. We are in control of our own actions and by following religious belief's that there is a higher force that can control our actions, we sadly regret to own how we act and who we are. .. God energy is the essence of Life...The universe and every single thing in it . God is the perfect balance both negative and positive.
What religions mean by the terms God/Satan is the ying yang energy- the balance of these two positive and negative energies.
How we act on a day to day basis either creates God energy or Satan energy as we are all born knowing what is right or wrong. Life is that constant battle of going either way and succumbing to our selfish needs and wants or acting from the heart with compassion. We are in control of our own actions and by following religious belief's that there is a higher force that can control our actions, we sadly regret to own how we act and who we are. .. God energy is the essence of Life...The universe and every single thing in it . God is the perfect balance both negative and positive.
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