Revelations

This topic was created in the Religion forum by P-Angel on Monday, August 7, 2006 and has 21 replies.
In the last chapter, it talks about a wheel, or chariot (meaning vessel) of fire in the sky. What does that mean?
An alien vessel? The sun falling?
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I would think Alien vessel. Think about it... as a primitive people, how would you describe seeing an airplane? A rocket? A hot air ballon?
A firey chariot took up Elija into heaven... LOL... christians actually believe that a magical pair of horses, pulling a two wheeled chariot, with fire billowing out the back... or maybe around it, picked up Elija and carried him off to heaven. Sounds more like an air ship to me. Or a starship.
The Israelites were led about the desert after the exodius by a "Piller of cloud by day, and a piller of Fire by night" A piller is a long cylinder... sounds like an airship of somesort...
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An alien vessel? The sun falling?
i would think its either the sun or meteorites hitting the earth...but its DEFINITELY not aliens... aliens dont EXIST... and that i know without a shadow of doubt...
how am i sooo sure??? coz i have this friend who worked for Nasa and is a retired rocket scientist and well he said there are no aliens... he never told me what those flying saucers and all mean.. coz hes not allowed to talk about it so he didnt tell me anything in details .... all he said was that they dont exist... no doubt why hes turned into a strong christian coz he says all his scientific discoveries and findings strongly denote theres a God and that worlds without number has he created....
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" no doubt why hes turned into a strong christian coz he says all his scientific discoveries and findings strongly denote theres a God and that worlds without number has he created...."
this gave me chills lol
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this gave me chills lol
and whys that???
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I really don't know. It was just a spontaneous reaction. Got goosebumps too.
Definitely the way you worded it. The worlds without number thing has always freaked me out, that the universe is so huge. I also find it kind of scary that there's people who know so much more than the average person about but can't tell. Tongue
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*average person knows about it
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much more than the average person about but can't tell.
i wish he could tell but daaa he doesnt.. hes a virgo after all Sad.... but we #( him and i) have very interesting conversations coz he knows soooo much about our universe and its amazing.... i always get goosebumps myself when hes talking about some of his interesting experiences... WOW...its amazing how there are millions of galaxies like ours out there and im positive they are NOT inhabited by aliens but people like us who are sent to earths to gain experience and perfect themsleves....
I believe in reincarnation but i dont think we'll come back to this same earth again, i think ( thats not doctrine but my opinion) that we will be sent to other worlds to gain knowledge and wisdom... i dont think theres an end to wisdom, knowledge, progression.......
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I've seen UFO's with my own eyes. I'm sure your friend told you what HE believed to be true and everyone has a different belief. But, I believe in what I know for myself, and I know that UFO's exist.
I'm just wondering . . I think that's what is meant in Revelations because it describes it as one would think of a vessel in the sky. So, that means that . . at the end of time . . aliens are around. Not quite sure what's up with them and what it means, but, it's predicted in the Bible, so, it has to have some bearing with The End.
UFO's seem to be one of those things, like ghosts . . you have to see it to believe it.
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>I've seen UFO's with my own eyes.
Have you ever seen THEM P-Angel? You know of whom I speak. I have. But am aprehensive about relating it here...
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FC,
I know what you mean. People look at you like you've lost your mind. I know what I've seen, and not just once, either. The first couple times, I was by myself and just thought that maybe I did too many drugs in my youth, or delusional. Then, in the summer of 1988, I was surf fishing with some friends. There were five of us all alone on the eastern shore in Wilmington, NC, it was around 2 in the morning . . .
. . . yes, they came.

There isn't anything anybody can say to pursuade me otherwise . . I know what I saw with my own two eyes. I wasn't stoned, I wasn't tripping . . . I saw.
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Alright... Don't have anything to lose by posting this so here goes... Here's what happened to me Wednesday night last week. I will paste it here from the email I made afterwards...
They were here tonight.

If it was all a dream, it was the sort of dream I only have in less than 1% of my dreams. It was so real. The last time I had an experience like this, that I can remember, is when on the first night in that mobile home in Hebron IN, I awoke to a feeling of being paralyzed. I fought it off with great difficulty, then felt a presence in the bedroom. I took up my flashlight that was next to the bed, got up on my elbow and turned it on aimed at the doorway. In the beam of the light were two of them. They cringed as the light hit them in the eyes, those big almond black eyes. I said aloud, "they see the light". My next memory is of waking up, the bedroom filled with sunlight, staring at the ceiling muttering "they see the light".

But tonight, tonight is only the second memory I have of seeing them, well... feeling them next to me. There have been times since moving here that I have wondered if they had come for my checkup... even had a feeling that they might have come, but nothing concrete, no actual memories of the visit.

But this time I have memories, this time I remember the visit and their presence.

I had a disturbing dream. In this dream, they were all around me and I had woken. I was enraged, like a grizzly bear awake during a medical exam. I grabbed some of them by their necks and bashed their heads together. Raging, raging, yet feeling sad inside, sad for them. I didn't want to hurt them, didn't want to, yet was so angry. I remember spinning around and around striking them, swinging the two I had in my grip....

But I hope this was all a dream. Maybe they had given me a sedative to calm me before the exam and the dream was a side effect. Maybe me spinning around and around was just me getting dizzy while falling into a relaxed state.

I realize now, that part was a dream, because the room it happened in was not my room. It was the typical situation, where I have a dream, but don't recognize the surroundings.

But the rest of this memory took place in my bedroom. In familiar surroundings. I knew where I was, knew I was in my own bed, yet was afraid to open my eyes.

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But oddly, this time I didn't completely pass out. I remained awake, yet mostly numb. Afraid to open my eyes. I fought against the fear. It's so hard to not fear when you are no longer in control. But I did fight it. I kept my eyes closed, stayed relaxed. The good doctor was gentle, very gentle. He never said a word to me, even thru telepathy... yet I felt he was being very gentle with me.

I saw the lights of their probes, the lights of their head gear, or examination lights. They'd move away for a bit, then swing back over me. I couldn't tell exactly what they were doing.

I felt a little chilly, so with some effort, pulled my blanket slightly just with my hand inside the blanket, pulled it slightly over my shoulder. I got it in place, but they gently pulled it back. I didn't feel it being pulled back, but knew it had been because the spot became cold again.

I felt a probe go down my throat, but so oddly. I didn't feel my mouth opening, just suddenly the presence of something in my mouth and then felt, although it was so slow and so gentle, yet I felt something slide down my throat and into my stomach. Then felt it withdraw and the thing in my mouth disappeared.

I had a feeling from the doctor that he had given me some kind of vitamin, maybe a supplement of some sort. I even think I heard, thru my thoughts, what it was, but of course now don't remember those details.

I saw the light pass past my eyes a couple more times, then withdraw. No sound or sounds ever came to my ears, yet I knew they were there. I knew they had been there.

I laid still awhile after they had gone. Still not sure they were gone, still afraid to open my eyes. It became slightly warmer in my room. And quiet. Well, it was quiet during their exam, but it's hard to describe... it was different after they'd left. Normal.

I kept thinking... I'll keep my eyes closed until I see daylight thru my eyelids. I kept hoping I'd go to sleep... but I laid there for long enough that I finally risked it. I opened my eyes. Seeing nothing, I reached over for my flashlight and turned it on, then got up and turned on my room light. I checked the time... 5:30 am. I looked outside and saw the faint dawn coming on.

Then came into the computer room and started typing this.

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I'm sending it to you in hopes of keeping it away from them. In order so that I might remember it... not forget like all the other exams. I've heard they usually wipe your short term memory, but it doesn't always work. I figure, if this info goes out on the internet, then it will not disappear. Maybe you think it's silly, maybe crazy... doesn't really matter to me. I would like it remailed to me if you don't mind, just in case, when I go back to sleep in a few minutes, I forget the whole thing ever happened. Then upon receipt of this letter, maybe the memory will come back... or maybe the fact that I am actually typing this now shows that it will remain in my memory.

I send this with some apprehension, yet don't know what else to do. It was so vivid. And in my entire life, I only remember having such vivid dreams 2 - 3 - maybe 4 times. I don't want to forget, so take the risk you'll think I'm nuts, = )
I sent it to a couple friends, but they never replied. But it was still in my inbox when I got up the next afternoon.
I've been having a little trouble sleeping since then. Only got four hours Friday night... 3 hours Saturday night... Finally got a good eight or so last night... I know they didn't hurt me, and were gentle... but it's still an intrusion on my privacy and its hard to accept that they can just come and go as they please. But it's one of those things you have to just accept and get used to.
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>And in my entire life, I only remember having such vivid dreams 2 - 3 - maybe 4 times.
I must add here, that I don't think it was a dream... I'm just erring on the side of caution in case it was.
I know the first part, where I was defending myself and attacking them WAS a dream.
But I woke up from that dream to find them in my room, around me.
I noticed the lights thru my eyelids only, never opening my eyes. I got the idea, that if I DID open my eyes, I might become enraged like in the dream and try to hurt them... and I didn't want to hurt them, so kept my eyes closed.
I simply do not have such vivid dreams... excepting the 3 or 4 unexplained happenings so far... that MIGHT have been... it's just that they are so out of the ordinary for me... That I'm not sure what happened.
When I dream, and then remember the dream upon waking up... I find that I NEVER am in a familular place. I may recognise familular people, but it's ALWAYS in some odd location that I've never been to in real life. Like I may have a dream in which I'm at my moms house.... and it seems perfectly normal during the dream. Then I wake up and realize that although I actually saw my mom in the dream, I'd NEVER been in THAT house before in my life.
Other people dream so vividly all the time, that in the case of an old girlfriend, we couldn't have a rug in front of the toilet, because she said if she was sitting on the pot, and the floor was WARM, she'd realize she was dreaming and would not release her pee. But as long as the floor was COLD, she knew she was awake.
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FC,
OMG, I've had this my whole life. Here's what I experience:
1. First the room gets really cold
2. There's this stillness, like right before a tornado hits and everything stands still, like the air is frozen
2. I become paralyzed and can't move anything. I can't open my eyes.
4. There's no sound, just an echo of stillness
5. I feel like I have to breathe real hard out of my nose because I can't through my mouth. I can't feel anything in there, but, can't breathe there.
6. There's pressure on my chest - they always focus on my chest - not my throat, like you. The pressure doesn't hurt, exactly, just like pushing down.
7. Once the pressure subsides, quickly the air in the room becomes normal, the room gets back to regular temperature and I can move and breathe through my mouth again.
8. I always have a sore throat afterwards, it's all dry and scrachy, all my saliva is gone.
FC, regularly, this happens to me, for all my memory of my 47 years. In fact, it happened last week. Plus, I don't have to be home. Hotels, friends houses, it can happen anywhere to me. But, with me, I can't move - AT ALL, so there's no way to see anything. Whatever they are examing, I've no clue.
I've read on-line, other people's testimony, and it's always the same experience. There's nothing we can do, I try not to freak out about it.
When I did see "figures", it wasn't while in my narcoleptic state (whatever it's called), it was on the beach. That was only from the back view of the jeep as we sped away in utter terror.
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Oh, and I forgot about the lights. Through my eyelids, while my eyes are closed, sometimes I'll see a circle of light. It's not all the time, just every once in a while, a small beam of light can be barely seen, almost like a white shadow.
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Ya, the lights for me were like the light emitted by those new "light emitting Diode" bulbs. Soft... moonlight. Not intense like metal filiment lights.
The first time I saw the "Grays", after reflecting on the experience the next day... I got the idea somehow that they had come to check up on the previous tennant and hadn't expected to find me there. LOL... it's weird, but that's the feeling I got somehow... maybe from them without any actual "telepithy".
Since that first encounter tho... I've had the feeling many times that they have been checking up on me, but could never put my finger on it, never had any other memories to draw from, until Wednesday night.
I've often wanted to try hypnosis to find out, but never get around to it... something else always comes up and I forget about seeking that out.
But in the meantime. I read up on it extensivly and found that most of us react in utter terror to their presense. I think a big factor is that they either are not able, or don't have the time to "befriend us". So when they show up suddenly beside us, it scares the crap outta us.
I've spent lots of time coming to terms with it, and relaxing myself, and my thoughts so should I see them, or feel their presence, will not react in terror and can remain calm. I think that paid off a little on their last visit, although I think the dream they gave me, meant that I could still react badly, no matter how much I worked on calming myself. That maybe my animal nature... my base instinct might take over in such a situation.
I don't know that I could have opened my eyes even if I had tried, or if I could have moved. I didn't feel paralized as I did the first time I saw them... but also didn't feel "normal". But I WAS awake.
Have you read any of Whitley Striebers books on the Grays? "The Secret School", is one you should look at.
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>I don't know that I could have opened my eyes even if I had tried, or if I could have moved.
Well... I did move a little... since I was, with great effort, able to move my blanket, using my hand that was under the blanket, over a part of my body that felt cold. They didn't stop me from moving it, didn't stop my hand, but after I had quit moving, simply removed the blanket again. I didn't try again since I knew then that they needed it off. I just lay there and endured it all. I also got the feeling, maybe from them, that if I interupted their "session" that they would just have to come back another day, LOL... so wanted them to just get it over with.
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From what I read, a lot of people suffer from sleep paralysis and encounter this same thing. There's been a few mentions that the creatures were seen, but, not many. Ususally a person can't open their eyes. I'm so used to it now, I don't even think about it. I know when it's done, I'll be released from my state. I've wondered, though, what's up in my stomach, or chest. What are they looking for?
The vessel I saw at the beach, with my friends was so huge, it took up the whole sky. You couldn't even see the horizen, just blackness with flickering lights. And it just appeared to hover about 30 or 40 feet above us. We could feel this tremendous pressure it ws so close, like the force from the vass ship was pushing up to the ground.
We freaked, jumped in the Jeep and took off . . .left our poles, fishing gear, left my purse . . everything. From the rear of the Jeep, where me and a friend of mine were sitting, we could see figures on the sand, just standing there. WE couldn't see what they looked like, just figures. And nobody was there before . . we were on a secluded part of a beach where there aren't houses or anything.
It was pretty frightening. Once a person has an encounter, they never forget. And, I know a few ex-christians who now have no belief in God, at all because they've seen with thier own eyes that beings not-of-this-world exists.
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