Sag man Taurus woman

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Me and my sag have been together for a little over a year now, we started off serious, made plans to be married and have children, our children from previous relationships were involved, I got pregnant in July and he told me he wasn't ready yet and didn't want it, after that battle I ended up losing it in September, we've tried to get back on good terms buy couldn't see eye to eye, one minute he was in love, the next he wasn't, he was hot and cold, he never stopped telling me he loved me but then after ignoring me for a while I asked him if it was really time to break up and he said yes, he doesn't feel the same, he thinks it's everything he's going thru, I didn't ask any questions, I just left it at that, I haven't contacted him since, it's been a week, I texted him last night to get my things, he agreed, so cold, is this really the end, or is he going through his distant phase again... He has a tendency to distance himself when he's stressed but this is the first time he actually said he wants to break up...
let him leave. if its meant to be, he will come back
I have been, I keep it brief with, I want to stay on good terms because I love him, I really believe this is my future husband, I'm giving him his B-Day gift with a card and I'm leaving him be... Hopefully he'll come back...
Posted by 101814love
I have been, I keep it brief with, I want to stay on good terms because I love him, I really believe this is my future husband, I'm giving him his B-Day gift with a card and I'm leaving him be... Hopefully he'll come back...

Give him time. We often withdraw to sort things out when they get too hectic. Once we do, we usually come back ready to start things with a clean slate
I gave his gift to a mutual friend, then later we exchanged our gifts, no emotion, wouldn't really look at me, I think it's over, I'm moving on, after all the damage he's done during his distant phase, I just don't want it, I understand he's going thru things but treating someone that's just here to support you like shit is a horrible thing to do... Hopefully he'll realize this and fix it for his next relationship..
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I gave his gift to a mutual friend, then later we exchanged our gifts, no emotion, wouldn't really look at me, I think it's over, I'm moving on, after all the damage he's done during his distant phase, I just don't want it, I understand he's going thru things but treating someone that's just here to support you like shit is a horrible thing to do... Hopefully he'll realize this and fix it for his next relationship..

Showing no emotion doesn't equate to lack of care. He said he is trying to sort things out so he is simply avoiding confusion and trying not to make it complicated.
I love him, I really do but I'm lost, so I'm just leaving him alone, that's best right?
Posted by 101814love
I love him, I really do but I'm lost, so I'm just leaving him alone, that's best right?

Leave him be but check up on him every once in a while.
This is the best time for you to sort yourself out as well. Time for growth
I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope he was there to support you through that difficult time. If not, then he's a selfish bastard and to that I say good riddance. Keep your head up, love.
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I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope he was there to support you through that difficult time. If not, then he's a selfish bastard and to that I say good riddance. Keep your head up, love.

No he wasn't really there, later on he apologized for being distant but kept the same behavior.. I'm just over it all...
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This is the best time for you to sort yourself out as well. Time for growth

No he lost that privilege of me caring and putting forth effort, if he wants me, my number is the same...
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I'm confused as the bull I am. Why do people start relationships serious when it should be the other way around? A relationship should become serious with time.

We grew up together and one day we just looked at each different... I never knew him to be a cold hearted person, this year and a half has completely changed my opinion of him, I have nothing good to say anymore..
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I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope he was there to support you through that difficult time. If not, then he's a selfish bastard and to that I say good riddance. Keep your head up, love.

No he wasn't really there, later on he apologized for being distant but kept the same behavior.. I'm just over it all...
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And thank you by the way, I haven't really dealt with that grief yet... Now it's just all hitting me at once, realizing how he treated me and my children over the past couple months
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I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope he was there to support you through that difficult time. If not, then he's a selfish bastard and to that I say good riddance. Keep your head up, love.

No he wasn't really there, later on he apologized for being distant but kept the same behavior.. I'm just over it all...

And thank you by the way, I haven't really dealt with that grief yet... Now it's just all hitting me at once, realizing how he treated me and my children over the past couple months
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No problem. Just promise me you'll take the time needed to deal with it and heal. He's not on top of the priority list, you and your babies are.
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I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope he was there to support you through that difficult time. If not, then he's a selfish bastard and to that I say good riddance. Keep your head up, love.

No he wasn't really there, later on he apologized for being distant but kept the same behavior.. I'm just over it all...

And thank you by the way, I haven't really dealt with that grief yet... Now it's just all hitting me at once, realizing how he treated me and my children over the past couple months
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@101814love I'm a Taurus girl and I have plenty of sags around me including my dad and my best friend. They r not horrible people. They r people with good and bad and yes I noticed many like to have time off once in a while some r more severe than others. I'm not a sag don't understand y they do it and I don't care y they do it. You either accept it or leave it. One thing I know best is that u have kids and NO man should walk away from his responsibilities and NO man should promise marriage and talk about plans and then change his mind all of a sudden. I find that completely irresponsible and selfish regardless of what sign he is. If one is not sure of a relationship then one shouldn't make any plans perhaps he could have said lets get to know each other a little better. If his "time off" causes you damage then leave him there's plenty of men out there that can be a better match for u. Time off shouldn't cause damage and doesn't mean u give up ur responsibilities either. I don't like the behaviour of this guy. He certainly should have made it clear he doesn't want u to have a baby. And if u want kids and he's not ready for it then he's not the one for u! It's hard to take in all that, that your love is not for u! I know it's hard. But time heals and you'll be better off without this negative shit in your life. Move on please and love yourself and go get a makeover and a new look. Look good for u!
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Posted by 101814love
I love him, I really do but I'm lost, so I'm just leaving him alone, that's best right?

Leave him be but check up on him every once in a while.
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I disagree strongly. She shouldn't check up on him AT ALL. And if he ever gets back she needs to list all the negative things she doesn't like about his behaviour to his face honestly and clearly and if he wants to man up and take responsibility of this woman and her kids then maybe she should give it a one last time try as a test if not then they both need to go their separate ways. Seriously, because of him she chose to give up on her baby. That's a soul u killed here. I blame both of them. He should have been more clear about what he expects from this relationship and she should have been more careful and gave more time to observe him and test him. But I know love is blind. Anyways, I don't see that he's taking responsibility. It's not about him withdrawing there is nonproblem to have time off with yourself. The problem is leaving your responsibilities behind and hurting others. Making promises then walking away. All that is not a true man behaviour. Thats childish. She deserves a better partner.
Thank you everybody for your comments, maybe I didn't word some things right, me and him grew up together, we didn't just meet and get into a relationship, I lost my baby at 4 months, no abortion, I was insanely stressed with all our arguing about getting rid of it, thinking about raising another child alone was just too much, my problem was not about him being stressed and distancing himself, it was the way he treated me and my kids, we were trying to be a blended family and his son as well as my children were close, and he really didn't show any interest in them anymore, this man was a daily part of their life and he just disappeared, I gave him the benefit of the doubt because our relationship was struggling.. The way he was at the end, he was actually putting up more effort, not a lot more but showing me more effort, then he just stopped, a couple days later, we broke up, we've went thru this before where he told me to pretty much leave him alone and I do, and somehow we come back together, my thing is during these phases it causes distrust, I don't feel secure, I feel unloved and undervalued, because he can just drop me, I can honestly say I do love him and it hurts me to be without him, but after this is he really coming back, and if he does how can we really fix us?
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I love him, I really do but I'm lost, so I'm just leaving him alone, that's best right?

Leave him be but check up on him every once in a while.
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And if I don't check up on him, then what? Will he reach out to me after he figures everything out? I ended it on good terms and told him don't ever hesitate to use my number, I heard if a sag man says he loves you he means it... But will he just forget about me? I don't plan on contacting him because that rejection is too much for me...
clearly he is weak and egoistic.
(reading this story, not knowing the rest of the facts.)
Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..
Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..
Posted by 101814love
Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

first mistake was texting all those emotions to him. No offense, i woulda back away slowly from the phone and left the crazy where it is. I would not have responded either.

you should have just waited. Give him time to miss you. He probably woulda texted you wondering where ya been, what you up 2. now you may have scared him away,
Posted by 101814love
Thank you everybody for your comments, maybe I didn't word some things right, me and him grew up together, we didn't just meet and get into a relationship, I lost my baby at 4 months, no abortion, I was insanely stressed with all our arguing about getting rid of it, thinking about raising another child alone was just too much, my problem was not about him being stressed and distancing himself, it was the way he treated me and my kids, we were trying to be a blended family and his son as well as my children were close, and he really didn't show any interest in them anymore, this man was a daily part of their life and he just disappeared, I gave him the benefit of the doubt because our relationship was struggling.. The way he was at the end, he was actually putting up more effort, not a lot more but showing me more effort, then he just stopped, a couple days later, we broke up, we've went thru this before where he told me to pretty much leave him alone and I do, and somehow we come back together, my thing is during these phases it causes distrust, I don't feel secure, I feel unloved and undervalued, because he can just drop me, I can honestly say I do love him and it hurts me to be without him, but after this is he really coming back, and if he does how can we really fix us?

therein lies the risk of dating with kids. Kids are going to get attached but people are free to go as they please. I dont have kids so i dont know what its like introducing kids and relationships not working and then having to explain to kids what happened.

imo, its all so messy and too risky.

Some people in relationships just wake up and dont want to be in them anymore. They will break up with us and the way they do it will never satisfy us.
Posted by 101814love
Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

I guess you did this because you wanted to move on. For moving on that was a good thing you did to yourself.

For staying and have hopes that was not the right thing to do.

Probably it is a small part of your overall incompatibility. Listen to the other Taurus girls and forget him. Taurus and Sag togetherness seems not to be great. For you there will be better guys with better compatibility.
"No excuses can be made for thst kind of disgusting behaviour!!! Nasty!"

of course that is nasty.
But show me one single mother who has not experienced this kind of butter. Probably the best way is not to date until they are 18.
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Thank you everybody for your comments, maybe I didn't word some things right, me and him grew up together, we didn't just meet and get into a relationship, I lost my baby at 4 months, no abortion, I was insanely stressed with all our arguing about getting rid of it, thinking about raising another child alone was just too much, my problem was not about him being stressed and distancing himself, it was the way he treated me and my kids, we were trying to be a blended family and his son as well as my children were close, and he really didn't show any interest in them anymore, this man was a daily part of their life and he just disappeared, I gave him the benefit of the doubt because our relationship was struggling.. The way he was at the end, he was actually putting up more effort, not a lot more but showing me more effort, then he just stopped, a couple days later, we broke up, we've went thru this before where he told me to pretty much leave him alone and I do, and somehow we come back together, my thing is during these phases it causes distrust, I don't feel secure, I feel unloved and undervalued, because he can just drop me, I can honestly say I do love him and it hurts me to be without him, but after this is he really coming back, and if he does how can we really fix us?

therein lies the risk of dating with kids. Kids are going to get attached but people are free to go as they please. I dont have kids so i dont know what its like introducing kids and relationships not working and then having to explain to kids what happened.

imo, its all so messy and too risky.

Some people in relationships just wake up and dont want to be in them anymore. They will break up with us and the way they do it will never satisfy us.

The sag went into this relationship knowing she had children. When she then became pregnant he told her to abort and when she lost it HR deserted her. No excuses can be made for thst kind of disgusting behaviour!!! Nasty!
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kids and tattoos can really change how people feel about one another. The unborn child coulda have given him the wake up call if this was indeed a relationship he really wanted to be in.

Thank the lucky stars that they arent tied to one another for 18 years. Now he's just a no good ex and not a no good baby daddy
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Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

first mistake was texting all those emotions to him. No offense, i woulda back away slowly from the phone and left the crazy where it is. I would not have responded either.


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Sorry I don't agree, my exact words were "What I don't get is how I only wanted to be there for you, to love you and support you and you can't even speak when you see me like I did something to you.... That's just heavy on mind, needed to get it off my chest..." and if that's can scare a person away who youve planned a future with, then you need to stop playing with people's emotions period.. I'm a very genuine person and I had to say it.
This is a man I've been with everyday for over a year, good and bad, how can I worry about if he's OK, I tried to at least end it on good terms and when he saw me he couldn't even acknowledge me, like I meant nothing to him, like I wasn't carrying his child at one point, "What I don't get is how I only wanted to be there for you, to love you and support you and you can't even speak when you see me like I did something to you.... That's just heavy on mind, needed to get it off my chest..." that's all I said! That is hardly an emotional outburst. Since the break up, that's the only thing I've mentioned about it. I don't call or text, I gave him a gift thru a mutual friend, we exchanged our items later that day and he acted like he didn't even see me, I didn't get mad, I just laughed, after thinking about it for days I decided to text that statement, I'm hurt all over again because I honestly did nothing to him, he's at a bad place in life, I wanted to Atleast support him, he laughs and jokes with everybody else but treats me with disgust, my brother tried to defend him and he probably just doesn't know how to accept the fact that you're still being kind to him after everything he's done to you or it hurts him too much to walk away..
Update: No word from him, I hear he's OK though... I tend to ask mutual friends how's he doing... No often just when he's brought up, I still refuse to call or text, if this bs will be fixed, it will be fixed by him this time..
Hahahahaha exactly!
Posted by 101814love
Me and my sag have been together for a little over a year now, we started off serious, made plans to be married and have children, our children from previous relationships were involved, I got pregnant in July and he told me he wasn't ready yet and didn't want it, after that battle I ended up losing it in September

He doesn't know what he wants.

First he tells you he wants to have kids with you, then when you get pregnant he changes his mind. Even if he does come crawling back on his hands and knees begging your forgiveness how can you believe anything he says?

Will he propose marriage and then leave you waiting at the altar? Will he walk out on your family one day?

Be strong and move on from this toxic relationship. You deserve a man who will love and cherish you and your children. And he's out there.
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Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

first mistake was texting all those emotions to him. No offense, i woulda back away slowly from the phone and left the crazy where it is. I would not have responded either.




Sorry I don't agree, my exact words were "What I don't get is how I only wanted to be there for you, to love you and support you and you can't even speak when you see me like I did something to you.... That's just heavy on mind, needed to get it off my chest..." and if that's can scare a person away who youve planned a future with, then you need to stop playing with people's emotions period.. I'm a very genuine person and I had to say it.
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Its how ya said it.

Too much
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Posted by 101814love
Me and my sag have been together for a little over a year now, we started off serious, made plans to be married and have children, our children from previous relationships were involved, I got pregnant in July and he told me he wasn't ready yet and didn't want it, after that battle I ended up losing it in September

He doesn't know what he wants.

First he tells you he wants to have kids with you, then when you get pregnant he changes his mind. Even if he does come crawling back on his hands and knees begging your forgiveness how can you believe anything he says?

Will he propose marriage and then leave you waiting at the altar? Will he walk out on your family one day?

Be strong and move on from this toxic relationship. You deserve a man who will love and cherish you and your children. And he's out there.
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As time passes, I'm actually OK without him, and you're right, he made so many promises that he couldn't fulfill, after all the damage I doubt we can be together, I still love and miss him so much, maybe one day in the far future we can be friends
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Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

first mistake was texting all those emotions to him. No offense, i woulda back away slowly from the phone and left the crazy where it is. I would not have responded either.




Sorry I don't agree, my exact words were "What I don't get is how I only wanted to be there for you, to love you and support you and you can't even speak when you see me like I did something to you.... That's just heavy on mind, needed to get it off my chest..." and if that's can scare a person away who youve planned a future with, then you need to stop playing with people's emotions period.. I'm a very genuine person and I had to say it.

Its how ya said it.

Too much
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I said exactly what I meant, how could you not speak to me after everything we've been through, and after I try to end it on good terms, he's a selfish individual, no exceptions
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Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

first mistake was texting all those emotions to him. No offense, i woulda back away slowly from the phone and left the crazy where it is. I would not have responded either.




Sorry I don't agree, my exact words were "What I don't get is how I only wanted to be there for you, to love you and support you and you can't even speak when you see me like I did something to you.... That's just heavy on mind, needed to get it off my chest..." and if that's can scare a person away who youve planned a future with, then you need to stop playing with people's emotions period.. I'm a very genuine person and I had to say it.

Its how ya said it.

Too much



I said exactly what I meant, how could you not speak to me after everything we've been through, and after I try to end it on good terms, he's a selfish individual, no exceptions
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Because you continually beat him up over what happened. Put yourself in his shoes. Would you communicate with someone who does that?

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Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

first mistake was texting all those emotions to him. No offense, i woulda back away slowly from the phone and left the crazy where it is. I would not have responded either.




Sorry I don't agree, my exact words were "What I don't get is how I only wanted to be there for you, to love you and support you and you can't even speak when you see me like I did something to you.... That's just heavy on mind, needed to get it off my chest..." and if that's can scare a person away who youve planned a future with, then you need to stop playing with people's emotions period.. I'm a very genuine person and I had to say it.

Its how ya said it.

Too much



I said exactly what I meant, how could you not speak to me after everything we've been through, and after I try to end it on good terms, he's a selfish individual, no exceptions
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He doesnt belong to you posessive patty. He is free to bounce at any time, just like you are.

It sucks but no matter how much you may give and give, people can and will walk away.

Doesnt matter how much rent you paid, dinners you brought, fellatio you gave
Unfortunately unless theres a physical throw down, saggis dont do drama.

We fade to black. Disappear. Go to a more friendly stable.

We will avoid the dramatic barn at all costs.

Some may call it cowardly, when were just trying not to get stabbed.
We've never had any drama in our relationship that he didn't cause, I'm a peace lover, if telling someone how they're making you feel is dramatic and possessive, I guess I just found out something new about myself lol
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Update: this man acted as though he didn't see me, I texted him and told him I don't get how I've been the only person trying to love, support and be there for you and you act like I did something wrong to you, I told him it weighs heavy on my heart and I just needed to get it off my chest... No response... I've never been treated so badly..

first mistake was texting all those emotions to him. No offense, i woulda back away slowly from the phone and left the crazy where it is. I would not have responded either.




Sorry I don't agree, my exact words were "What I don't get is how I only wanted to be there for you, to love you and support you and you can't even speak when you see me like I did something to you.... That's just heavy on mind, needed to get it off my chest..." and if that's can scare a person away who youve planned a future with, then you need to stop playing with people's emotions period.. I'm a very genuine person and I had to say it.

Its how ya said it.

Too much
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+1 while using an impersonal medium (e.g. text). I always say know your target audience. While you may be able to handle this information, stated in this way since you're so "genuine", your (ex) Sag may not be. That doesn't make him less "genuine" simply different. If the person you're hoping to reach with your words can't "hear" you what is the point really? You might as well be talking to yourself. Or here's a thought, figure out to say things in a way he can hear and process.

"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right things at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment" ~ Dorothy Nevill

I'm not saying you should not have said those things. You should have found another way to say it and a better time to say it. Meh, spilt milk at this point I suppose.
^^^^From my experience, in general Sags don't do well with negative feelings. This include what would be interpret as a personal attack. You saw it as getting your feelings off your chest, but once again if the person you're talking to doesn't hear it that way then it's not making the connection or impact you intended. It came off as overly dramatic. Therefore, you need to figure out how you can have a discussion that he can "hear", process and respond to.

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Unfortunately unless theres a physical throw down, saggis dont do drama.

We fade to black. Disappear. Go to a more friendly stable.

We will avoid the dramatic barn at all costs.

Some may call it cowardly, when were just trying not to get stabbed.

LOL!
Posted by 101814love
We've never had any drama in our relationship that he didn't cause, I'm a peace lover, if telling someone how they're making you feel is dramatic and possessive, I guess I just found out something new about myself lol

That's a contradictory statement. You can't be a peace lover...by fighting. My mother's a Taurus and I'm pretty certain that your version of telling someone how they make you feel is very dramatic...as in my way or the highway.
I'm curious about something.

Op, did you two ever have any discussions about having more kids? Specifically, did he every express how he felt about having more children before you found out you were pregnant?
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Unfortunately unless theres a physical throw down, saggis dont do drama.

We fade to black. Disappear. Go to a more friendly stable.

We will avoid the dramatic barn at all costs.

Some may call it cowardly, when were just trying not to get stabbed.

This is a funny quote! Very sag!! Lol

I've been stabbing my sister all wkend with my horns but well deserved I might add. Sags are pure chaos!!! Sags are very selfish even though they may not realise it... But they are!!! I'm now at my virgo mothers house .. Where "earthly" peace is residing between virgo mother, cap sister and me taurus...!!!
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That leo moon persecutorial complex of yours knows no boundary of cruelty. Do you not realise how f'd up that statement is? But since you know so much, I'll leave you to figure it out.
Posted by 101814love
We've never had any drama in our relationship that he didn't cause, I'm a peace lover, if telling someone how they're making you feel is dramatic and possessive, I guess I just found out something new about myself lol

you can express yourself but text is not the best route.. how can your emotions be conveyed correctly?

over text, it comes across cray cray

Phoenix go read the "i made a guy cheat on his girlfriend thread"

at first i thought it was you. and was like "ooooo gurl"
Posted by busyeyes88
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Unfortunately unless theres a physical throw down, saggis dont do drama.

We fade to black. Disappear. Go to a more friendly stable.

We will avoid the dramatic barn at all costs.

Some may call it cowardly, when were just trying not to get stabbed.

This is a funny quote! Very sag!! Lol

I've been stabbing my sister all wkend with my horns but well deserved I might add. Sags are pure chaos!!! Sags are very selfish even though they may not realise it... But they are!!! I'm now at my virgo mothers house .. Where "earthly" peace is residing between virgo mother, cap sister and me taurus...!!!
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Its true. i shoulda been stabbed along time ago. my sag male buddy has in fact been stabbed twice by women.

sidenote, I think you have some family dynamics that need working out on your end. Life is way too short to fight and feel animosity towards ppl.

Tizani and beautiful soul have really helped me see things from someone elses "threat". take a moment and put yourself in your sister's shoes. would you want to be treated unkindly?
its not healthy to ostracize your sister because she operates in a non earthly way.

drawing lines in the sand is no way to live
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