Sagittarius has returned ... and has the nerve

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to be pissed because everyone got angry at him for disappearing.

He posted a long post on FB for "everyone" but made a direct reference to something I had told him in a private message, and the reference was not directed to any "one" person, just generalized, but the fact that it was referencing something I had told him in a private message (and he knew I was pissed at his disappearance), leads me to believe that he was specifically directing that comment to me without calling me out personally.

"If, therefore, I haven't contacted you (no matter how deep my affections for you may run), I have good reason for remaining silent. One should never interpret silence as anything more than just that: silence."

I had told him that I had no other option but to interpret his silence as lack of affection and that if he did not get in touch by the end of the month, I would begin the process of disappearing from his life. *sigh* Should I interpret this as him "getting in touch" since he did not get in touch with me directly, but rather posted a rather long diatribe on FB to everyone?
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You should interpret that as respecting his feelings and the fact that he's trying to deal with it the best way he can. Although I haven't disappeared on everybody, I've done the FB thing as well. Why? Look at it this way, you may have been the last person in a line of people that have gotten onto him about disappearing and that was the straw that...well you know how it goes. Don't take it personal. Most likely other people have said the same thing to him in private message as well and so he decided to address all of you. I've had people come to me with the exact same problems in their lives and so I posted a public message to help all of them. Its peri so but its not. It was to help. For him it was the same in reverse.

Second, you gave and ultimatum....to a Sag! Th one sign that definitely not be controlled. Should he have told you? Yes, I agree. But telling him "contact me or else" sends a very troubling signal at a time when he's dealing with enough pressure. Its a double whammy. You'll come across as controlling which will also say that you're weak. Also, he'll feel that you're not respecting his space or considering him...that its about you. I'm not saying you're wrong in how you feel. Just that it should've bern handled differently.
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Oh, beautifulsoul, I don't know what to do. There are a lot of dynamics at play between him and I. Not the least of which is a similar traumatic childhood, which he has stated (after his first disappearance) that he knew at the time it would trigger my abandonment issues and that I would get angry at times and hurt at others, as he does the same thing, and that without any explanation, he would not expect me to react in any other way. It's not just a week or two of disappearance that we are talking about, but rather the majority of 3 months. There have been the odd message here and there, telling me that he still feels the same, that we have things to achieve together, that for him, nothing has changed, that he will explain "tomorrow" and then "tomorrow" would come and he'd be gone again. I'm not going to waste time waiting around on someone who is not showing that he truly wants to spend time with me. My giving him until the end of the month, wasn't trying to control him, but rather to let him know that I'm giving him a chance to explain if he wants that chance, but that if he doesn't want that chance, then he won't have to worry about it any more. How long is a person supposed to wait for someone to "get in touch", to explain their "radio silence"? A month? Two? Three? I can't wait for him forever. I felt that by giving him until the end of the month, that I had been more than patient. It's hard to build anything, friendship, relationship, or otherwise, with no communication. I'd been patient. I had sent him messages telling him I was thinking of him and hoping he was well, and if there was anything I could to help, that I was here. As days turned into weeks, turned into months, I felt I had no other option but to look at it as confirmation that he does not want anything to do with me, that if that was not the case, to please get in touch by the end of the month, otherwise, I was done waiting for something that obviously wasn't going to happen. It wouldn't be so bad, except that I really like this guy, and would love to have a friendship with him and to see what could develop from that. Maybe, I didn't handle it appropriately, but after 3 months of sporatic and minimal contact, how else should I have handled it?
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Posted by DMV
Dude relax and back off on this disappearing. Let it go. Hes getting pissed because he cant live without ppl on his back about why havent u called here and there. Dudes probably getting some shit straightened out and doesnt want to talk about it.

Quit with the ultimatums.





After 3 months, I feel justified in stating to him that I have to assume his lack of contact reflects a lack of affection and that if I don't hear from him by the end of the month, that I'm going to let go of any idea of an "us" and begin the process of disappearing from his life. I feel justified because I wanted to give him that final chance to get in contact if he had any desire to do so. I had been patient for 3 months, only offering words of encouragement to him, letting him know I'm here if he needs me, and giving him the space he needed. How long am I supposed to wait before assuming he does not want to be involved with me? 6 months? A year? Would you? When I am saying there was very sporadic contact over the last 3 months, I am talking that he talked with me once on IM during this time, sent me 3 emails (the last one 8 weeks ago), and chatted with me once on FB. The chat on FB and the IM were the same day and was a continuation of the same conversation, which lasted about an hour. That was July 4th. That was the last time I had heard from him. He's getting pissed? Really? We have not spoken on the phone since the end of April (almost 4 months ago). 2 of the emails were in May. No contact whatsoever in the month of June and the last email came July 2nd, with the "chat" occurring on July 4th. DMV, I've read your posts around the board and there is no way you would have given a guy 3 months worth of space without giving him a piece of your mind. I'm not afforded the same?
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Sag89 ...

While he doesn't have any water in his chart (except the Scorpio in Neptune), I *do* understand his disappearance. He has a very high stress, high tech job, and has been working 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for the past 18 months (give or take a month or two). He is worn out and tired of the job and looking forward to it being over with. He is very much a Sag in that he puts his all into his career and is a go-getter.

The man isn't even 50 and has started several companies over his life-time, written over 19 books (published) and co-authored several others. He really does *not* have a life outside of his work. I have offered to assist him in any way that I can, as I have the time to do so (and since he has complained that no one around him gives a damn or lifts a finger to help him). He *knows* I would help in whatever way possible. He is currently working on another book (and needs people to read and record books for him for research, so that he can listen to them, while he works and does other things). I've offered many times to do that for him. He and I are supposed to be co-authoring a book together. I've gathered all of the research, over 3000 reference materials, put them into a database, etc., and that has been set aside for now. Which is fine, as I know he's got a lot on his plate. And I TRULY DO understand that.

My position, however, is that it takes less than 5 minutes to send a short email to say, "I'm okay, I'm well, I'm alive." And I do not think that is asking for too much. This way, I don't worry about him (because he does have heart problems and that is always a concern at the back of my head that something has happened to him). I know he has a lot going on and I don't want to put more on him, but at the same time, how long am I supposed to wait for any kind of contact? A year? How does one build a relationship like that? If there is no communication, there is no way to establish and maintain a bond and build something together for the future. I'm going to be 48 this year. At this point in my life, my death is much closer to me than my birth.

I care about him. I want to see him succeed since I know how important it is to him. But there has to be some contact in order for that to happen even. If it were only a week or two, it would be no big deal. I'm a loner. I enjoy my alone time. But when we start talking 3 months - well, I need a little more than that.
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Posted by DMV
i sounded crazy as fuck looking back at those posts. dude dont wanna call me. fine. i used to go bat shit insane like how you are acting. but i aint doing that no more. he wanna disappear, no bubbles no troubles. i dont need the closure to see if he really likes me or doesnt. im good.



by the way, thats your first and only time u try to use what i said and apply it to your situation.
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Here's my 2 cents...

This is not working for you so move on without him. Caraboo, if he has not changed his behaviour based on the attention you need from him, I would say let him go. I have a great Sag friend that had a very different idea on timely responses than I. I told him what I needed and he gives it to me. Great, we can progress.

It does not sound like he is able, for whatever reason, to give you the attention you need. This sort of ultimatum, time deadline thing never turns out well. Forget about him, make it about you! If it is not working for you and from the distress you are venting, it sounds like it's not, then let him go. If he comes back to you and things can be as you want, then he's yours. Right now, he isn't yours. Please note that I am not saying he doesn't like you, want you, need you, etc. etc. All I am saying is this is not working for you right now so let it go.

The future is not written and maybe things will be better. Give him and yourself some time and just back away. Good luck!
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Thank you Lizuz. That is exactly what I intend to do, but wanted to give him a chance (until the end of the month). As I stated to Sag89, I do understand the reasons for why he has disappeared, but I do not think it is unreasonable to request an email once a week to let me know he is okay (less than 5 minutes of his time) since he does have a heart condition and a very stressful job. I do not want, nor need, constant attention from him and have not requested that of him.

As for the distress I'm venting, it's not so much the disappearance, as it is feeling like I'm being attacked for making a thread that the Sag has come back (after almost 3 months of disappearance) and was angry that people were upset with him, and trying to explain (though why I feel the need to explain is beyond me) why I had told him that if I didn't hear from him by the end of the month, that I would have to assume that meant he wasn't interested. Considering the end of the month will be almost 4 months (minus a week maybe), I did not feel I was being unreasonable in stating that. However, according to the other Sags, that was a wrong thing to do. Apparently, it's okay to disappear for months on end, but it's not okay to state that "You know, maybe it's time for me to move on because I'm not getting what I need out of this relationship, but you let me know whether you actually do see something here between us or not, explain a little about what is going on, so that I can make the best decision for myself (and for you) as to what I need to do about this situation. If I don't hear from you by the end of the month, I will just assume at that time that you don't see something here between us and I will just start getting on with my life. I like you, I like our conversations and enjoy spending time with you, but by the end of the month it will be almost 4 months of extremely minimal contact, and we can't build a future like that. Let me know what you need and I'll let you know what I need, and we'll go from there."

In my previous thread, I was just trying to find out if this was normal Sag behavior because my ex-Sag had never done anything of this sort.
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Yeah Caraboo, I hear you.

I guess Sag folk are trying to give you insight into the behaviour. I am not sure that they were saying that his behaviour is okay, it just is. We are all adults here and disappearing is wrong, I agree and I can't be with someone who would do that to me. Sags sometimes, wrongly or rightly, choose that option. For another person, that may be acceptable, for you (and for me) it's a HELL NO! Don't take their opinions on the behaviour personally, they are just telling you the mindset of some Sags and why they do choose that option. They also were saying to you that what you did (as normal as it may be in the real world) to a Sag, deadlines = ultimatums and your action may not be received in the way you intend. That's it, that's all.

Keep your frustration on the man you are frustrated with. You are not being attacked, or at least I did not read it that way. It's really different strokes for different folks Caraboo and for this Gemini, I would not stand for that behaviour either.

I say a clean break is necessary for you and that is the ONLY PERSON you should have as a priority when it comes to your mental health. All the best!
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@Caraboo:

Did you read your post where you detailed his devotion to his career? How long he worked etc? I'm not trying to get on you but please don't play the victim card. You knew fully what you were getting into and anybody who does what he does is going to be that way. He's focused on building something. You even said that he contacted you "here and there" to let you know he was alive.

I'm sorry but its a unfair to say how stressful and demanding his job is, how much time he has to put into it then blame him for doing exactly what he's supposed to knowing its not going to leave any time for you. You went into the situation hoping he would change...or try to change him to satisfy your needs and demands knowing it would be impossible. Now you're trying to force him to do it. It would've been best that you simply told him that you support his career but that you two should remain friends. Why? Because when he's done, you probably would've been the first person he called and most likely he would try to pursue a relationship with you. Now, he's probably closed that door and at most sees you as friend. We don't like drama and since he has Venus in Libra, you've pretty much pushed him away.
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Posted by beautifulsoul74
@Caraboo:

Did you read your post where you detailed his devotion to his career? How long he worked etc? I'm not trying to get on you but please don't play the victim card. You knew fully what you were getting into and anybody who does what he does is going to be that way. He's focused on building something. You even said that he contacted you "here and there" to let you know he was alive.

I'm sorry but its a unfair to say how stressful and demanding his job is, how much time he has to put into it then blame him for doing exactly what he's supposed to knowing its not going to leave any time for you. You went into the situation hoping he would change...or try to change him to satisfy your needs and demands knowing it would be impossible. Now you're trying to force him to do it. It would've been best that you simply told him that you support his career but that you two should remain friends. Why? Because when he's done, you probably would've been the first person he called and most likely he would try to pursue a relationship with you. Now, he's probably closed that door and at most sees you as friend. We don't like drama and since he has Venus in Libra, you've pretty much pushed him away.



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Posted by Lizuz
Yeah Caraboo, I hear you.

I guess Sag folk are trying to give you insight into the behaviour. I am not sure that they were saying that his behaviour is okay, it just is. We are all adults here and disappearing is wrong, I agree and I can't be with someone who would do that to me. Sags sometimes, wrongly or rightly, choose that option. For another person, that may be acceptable, for you (and for me) it's a HELL NO! Don't take their opinions on the behaviour personally, they are just telling you the mindset of some Sags and why they do choose that option. They also were saying to you that what you did (as normal as it may be in the real world) to a Sag, deadlines = ultimatums and your action may not be received in the way you intend. That's it, that's all.

Keep your frustration on the man you are frustrated with. You are not being attacked, or at least I did not read it that way. It's really different strokes for different folks Caraboo and for this Gemini, I would not stand for that behaviour either.

I say a clean break is necessary for you and that is the ONLY PERSON you should have as a priority when it comes to your mental health. All the best!



LOL - NOW do you see what I was saying? 😉

It doesn't matter at this moment, regardless. I just got off the phone with him and had been speaking with him for almost 3 hours (I think). He said he totally understood where I was coming from and would have done the same thing had he been in my place, that going from constant contact to barely any contact was not acceptable in his book for potential long-term committed relationships, that he had expected my email 2 months ago, but that he had felt justified being MIA and knew once he was able to talk with me that he would be able to smooth it over. It was NOT related to work, as I had been thinking, but rather to some legal issues. While his work is stressful (with trying to meet deadlines and constant back and forth with the people he contracts with), we had sent hundreds of emails within a matter of 2 months, the third month we were on the phone nightly for 4 hours a night, the 4th and 5th month, we were constantly on Skype with each other, and then suddenly there was nothing but sporadic, minimal contact. It was the suddenness in the change, of going forward full-tilt to almost a dead stop. Anyway, the legal issues were/are valid. Pas
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Past associates turned up recently and that association brought some unwanted attention from higher authorities, and he was afraid to contact me for fear that it would implicate me in something. He's not involved with anything illegal - but there are times when there is guilt by association and there is past history there. Given what I know about his past, what he has told me and shared with me, I trust that what he is saying is truth. He understands my trust issues (given my history, and the similarity of his history), and has those same trust issues. We have come to an agreement as to what is acceptable to the both of us. Interesting, but he said he liked the fact that I had gotten so passionate with him regarding his disappearance, to him it showed a possessiveness and an aggression that he likes. He has some interesting ... ummm ... perversions, shall we say.
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Posted by beautifulsoul74
@Caraboo:

Did you read your post where you detailed his devotion to his career? How long he worked etc? I'm not trying to get on you but please don't play the victim card. You knew fully what you were getting into and anybody who does what he does is going to be that way. He's focused on building something. You even said that he contacted you "here and there" to let you know he was alive.

I'm sorry but its a unfair to say how stressful and demanding his job is, how much time he has to put into it then blame him for doing exactly what he's supposed to knowing its not going to leave any time for you. You went into the situation hoping he would change...or try to change him to satisfy your needs and demands knowing it would be impossible. Now you're trying to force him to do it. It would've been best that you simply told him that you support his career but that you two should remain friends. Why? Because when he's done, you probably would've been the first person he called and most likely he would try to pursue a relationship with you. Now, he's probably closed that door and at most sees you as friend. We don't like drama and since he has Venus in Libra, you've pretty much pushed him away.



I had type you a response earlier and the website wouldn't post. Essentially, I said that no, I did not know what I was getting into. When he and I first began communicating, we sent hundreds of emails back and forth within a 2 month period, the third month, we were talking on the phone almost nightly for 4 or 5 hours (and when we weren't talking, we were emailing), the 4th month we were skyping almost nightly. That contact suddenly stopped (with no explanation). To go from full-out contact to almost no contact ... well, it does not leave one with a good taste in their mouth. Even when he was busiest with his work, he was in constant contact, because while it was stressful (deadlines to meet and constant back and forth with the company he contracted with) per his explanation, "I can do this with one eye closed and the other hand busy elsewhere." His stress came from the deadlines and the fact that he felt the company he contracted with was not understanding what he had been trying to tell them for the past 12 to 18 months. Yes, he spent a lot of hours working, even while we were communicating. And no, I was not playing "the victim card". I had no pro
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I had no problem with your response to me, as you should have been able to see by my reply to you. However, other responses did not come across in the way that your response did, and I'm sure that you can see that. However, because I'm not like that, I did not and do not want to call anyone out. And regarding the Sag, no, I've apparently not "pushed him away" and yes, he does want to "pursue a relationship" and no, the door is not closed. He understood perfectly my position and stated he would have done the same thing if he had been in my place. He explained his absence, I understood it and accepted his explanation. I explained my reasons for the ultimatum and he understood that and accepted my explanation. He had his reasons, I had mine, and we both understood the deeper implications in both of our actions and what it might mean to the other.
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Good for you Caraboo!

I take these astrological explanations with a grain of salt. Like I said, if a man is into you, he will make time for you or, at the very least, give you some explanation to get you back on his side.

I am glad you two worked it out and you feel better. However, don't lose the lesson! If this man continues to act in a way that causes you any type of distress, get out. It is not worth it. It may feel good now, you understand his actions and can accept them, but will it feel good when or if he does it again? Just something to think about as you continue on your journey with him. If you can take it, more power to you but just don't set yourself up. I love Amy Winehouse and her one line, "I should just be my own best friend and not fuck myself in the head with stupid men." LOL!

Again, all the best and I hope it works out! Blessings!