Attention whore

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by whoaitznara on Friday, July 7, 2006 and has 165 replies.
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hmm so i've been thinking and i find myself always looking for people to pay attention to me, i'm always trying to add some sort of shock value to my life, and i love getting people to respond in any way. Is this a normal typical scorpio trait...because i know most scorpio's don't like to be in the spotlight and are very secretive, but i on the other hand have no problem giving away my secrets and...as a matter of fact now that i think about it...i'm not so mysterious either...
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I won't speak for all, but I find that when I'm being open it's not even really that open at all, even when I convince myself that it is. What I mean is that I can be open on the surface and let people in on things that can make me seemingly 'vulnerable', but that the bottom line is that I'm far more overprotective (of myself AND my own) than I can believe sometimes. I think the same thing of mystery as I do of depth. I can choose to be or not to be mysterious consciously, but whether I really am or not is not even in my hands, and I'm not even so sure if I truly am or not - like I said, it's not up to me.
Nara, I'm not sure if that's how you might think about it or not. I know Scorps who may say what you have said. Personally, I know that I never thought myself mysterious, but being that I knew myself to be very Scorpio-ish even before I knew about Scorpios astrologically, I convince myself that I must be mysterious - when in reality, I don't know. And what of other people who observe us? They don't know for themselves the whole you, so can they judge better than you can? How do you judge well whether or not you are mysterious to others?
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that's very true...it was just something on my mind i thought i'd share...
i don't know whether or not i'm mysterious...i guess it's all how other people percieve me ....
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Lol and I wouldn't expect anyone to feel otherwise. Thanks for the forgiveness.
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The same as Elliot.. I seem to be open, but that's on the surface.
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Elliot ~~ I find that when I'm being open it's not even really that open at all, even when I convince myself that it is. What I mean is that I can be open on the surface and let people in on things that can make me seemingly 'vulnerable', but that the bottom line is that I'm far more overprotective (of myself AND my own) than I can believe sometimes.
You just described me to a T...lol..My cap said..You know everything about me, and you haven't revealed one detail about yourself. I don't know the inner you at all, yet you know all my insecurities. I accused him of hurting my feelings by saying such a thing Winking. It just comes naturally..
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Lol I don't think Missmorals ever said that she had the ideal relationship know-how though, she's just being her, and we all have our own issues to get over. I know that some people are so inclined to go ALL-IN that they have to completely suspend themselves from doing so too quickly and losing control of themselves. After that consideration, it's just a matter of when the time is right for THEM.
It's not so much selfish as it is possessive. You need to make sure you're in-control of your own timing and things like that - which is why I believe that any partner worth a Scorpio is going to have the patience of a saint, even in the loneliest or worst of times. Attachment (possession) and selfishness are two different things, you know what I mean? (Like a Mother can be ATTACHED to her newborn baby, yet be completely selfless about it.) We all have our own issues, and each one of them is probably 'bullbutter' lol, but patience will allow you to make it work ANYWAYS, rather than blowing your lid - some just can't do it. Me? I see the importance of waiting.
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Oh and lol Brahn.
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Hm definitely don't agree with that, Branh.
AB, we don't have to be worth all that trouble to one, but to another, sure. If we're not worth all the trouble to someone, then obviously we're not their ideal partner and they move on.
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Within a 'close' relationship. Well you just said it, within a CLOSE relationship it might be an insecure thing to do, but even the longest relationships go through periods when something is withheld and there is trouble because of it. It's normal among human beings lol, we are not perfect machines. But then, obviously, one person is 'closer' than the other. And it is VERY normal to not totally throw yourself away when you don't feel 'close' enough. So if one person is rushing to get close to you, and you can wait, then who's to tell you that you're moving too slowly. You should be in-control of your own timing - if that's selfish, then we all need to be selfish about it, but I also call that being possessive of what rightfully belongs to you - the choice is yours not theirs, some throw hissy fits, others stand their ground.
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its nice to see everything is back to normal here....
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"I have seen Scorpios once they are comfortable with someone they can open up pretty well. Sometimes too much"
True
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"Anyways, for all the so-called "wonderful" qualities you Scorps possess and "bestow" upon your "worthy" mate, I keep reading and hearing so many more horror stories and even reading here the same sad, tired excuses by other Scorps."

LOL Scorps definitely get into some completel catastrophes in relationships. We're not saying that we possess wonderful qualities to bestow on a worthy mate either lol, but the sarcasm is so you. No, I think Scorps just think at times - well if I'm going to give my all, then I need to know that my partner can be responsible for my whole life, otherwise I'll keep total responsibility of myself FOR myself.
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"If I can't be who I am with someone, then why in the hell am I with them in the first place?? Or why am I in a relationship to begin with??"

Well that's what you're trying to figure out. Am I in this for the better or for the worse?
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Well also, Cancers and Scorps get WAAAY more attached than an Aries does. That's for damn sure.
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It just takes time for scorpios...we will change.
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"Basic point to me is if you're afraid of life and love and the challenges that come with it, then don't get in the game. Watch from the sidelines and don't take others down with you cuz they deserve to play if they want to and not be held back someone else's idiocy and game playing."

No, we can be afraid, but still get in the game. It would then just be a matter of playing the right cards. If you love to take risk, as Scorps do, then you may as well make sure that you're in complete control of yourself. Don't hand your leash over!
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LOL but Scorpios DO see a leash. Call the leash - 'control'.
Don't get me wrong Rams are deep, emotional, and extreme, but ... well.. I don't know all water signs do is live by emotion. I can't say that Rams are exactly the same way. I know what you're talking about though, I don't want to say Rams are shallow.
And I understand what you're talking about with the positive attitude and what not, but that IS a fire sign thing. Some of us just look at the dark side first. That's where we might be different in outlook. No point in saying that we should be like you - there need be some self-control.
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"It doesn't exist and if you think you're really in control by holding yourself in check, you really aren't. That's just called being in prison."
Control doesn't exist??? You're not in control of yourself by holding yourself? Explain that to me.
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"No water signs are simply people who are weak but think they are strong. Their victims of self-image, which is without no merits."

See I think that's a misconception. I think that Scorps, at least, see themselves as they truly are, so they become strong. They know what they are and are not and they won't let you call them anything other than what they are, because they know better than you.
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"FEAR is what's holding you back and keeping you in check."
Ah I see, and so you don't have fear?
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Exactly! So we all take it in stride. We all have different fears, some in relationships and some in driving lol. We all need to be in-control of when we take the BIG LEAP. It is YOUR choice, and if you call that selfish, then it's something that you really need to be selfish about, but I call it being in control of your own decisions. That's I've been saying - control exists, sometimes you have it and sometimes you don't, but of course it's there.
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"They know deep down inside that they aren't that strong, and instead of doing soemthing about it, they would prefer to keep people in their lives who are good at propping up their self-image. All three water signs do this."
My goodness Branh, you must have been watching the wrong signs in making your assessments. There are plenty signs that do this more than Scorps. Plenty. I don't think your judgements are accurate, I mean, that's always how they strike me.
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Well AB, sometimes fear is the reason that you control yourself. Not because fear does the controlling FOR you. Anyways, I want to get out of here, any last words.

Again Brahn - you're judgements can be good sometimes, but I think maybe you lack insight - you couldn't tell me that Virgos, Libras, and Leos like less to be with people who prop their self-image than Cancers and Scorps - that's a bad judgement. I know you and I can do this all day, that's part of the reason I need to get out of here to pick up on a different day, because I might never leave.
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Or maybe later today.

Or maybe never, because now that I think about it - we just did this same argument a little while ago and I see that it's gone nowhere lol.
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"Leos don't have this problem, they already state who they don't care for right off the bat."
No no no, that's not true at all. Cancers would much rather be with people who they consider family, and Scorps feel much better to be with people who know them WELL and who they know well, but if Cancers and Scorps do it, which they can, then all signs can do it - believe that. Leos can definitely do it. Sure they can get over it, but they can do it. You're a Virgo though, until you see and structure differently in your head, this is the way the zodiac looks to you. I don't blame you, but you don't have a great understanding of water signs.
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all the water signs i know (including me) are *much* more emotional than the other signs, and make decisions based more upon emotion than reason. brahn, it's definitely true all water signs are geared more toward fantasy, but it's because, i believe, we have a lot more crap to deal with from ourselves and other people than the other signs do, since we're all possessed by such purpose (whether it be financial or moral) and we tend to act not how the world IS, but how we want the world to BE. this could be considered "fantastical" or "obsessive" to some but how else has the world been changed, or how else have people been changed?
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"Virgos don't seek partners who worship them. I am not sure where you get that from."
No, they definitely don't and I actually didn't say that. Virgos DO (maybe only the younger ones) do like to set their lives up with people of 'importance'. They like to be around people who can show them the lives that they want to live, and sometimes superficially. But I really want to go, it's a great day in Cali, can't miss it - I'll talk to you bums on a rainy day sometime Autumn. =P
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"Water signs from what I have seen care about people close to them. Some could call it being selfish and cliquish, others may call it loyalty."
^no wonder I stick by you +_+ smile
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"Another question: What makes a Scorpio (or even a Cancer for that matter) think that their feelings and them getting hurt is so much more horrific and terrible than their mate's feelings??"

i was just checking up on the post...and see that a lot of people have responded...
the scorpios that i know, and a part of who i am...we are scared to fall in love because it feels like sometimes we're not in control, and i know that control is definetly a big issue...i think that a lot of times...and i only speak this for the people that i know and for myself...scorpios can be rather selfish when it comes to love, always asking and expecting and, kind of deflecting from what their partners need, that's just something that scorpios need to work on, i know that for me it's always a struggle because i have to be in control...and this sounds horrible, but a lot of times i have the mentality where, it should all be about me. I think scorpios demand a lot of attention...they want to be that one and only one.
i don't know if i'm making much sense here, i'm just trying to de-scramble what i really want to say...lol
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that's true...i agree with

"I don't need partners who worship me"
because i don't need to be worshiped, i just like to be known that i'm in that person's mind, and that they want to spend time with me, and i like it when they're able to show that affection....when that affection starts to drift away, i tend to become worried that something is wrong...or not right...
but that's my own problem to deal with i guess
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"I don't trust partners who are overbearing with attention these days, because I know there is always a hidden motive. If you like me, you can deal with me in small doses. I don't need partners who worship me, and I don't need to feel like a God. A strong and bold partner can still love you, and point out your flaws at the same time."
Good point Branh smile Well taken Winking Wow, someone older with more experience can teach others a great deal.
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*** gasps ***
** cappy huges sb ** smile smile smile
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The same old arguements in the same old tones.. This will never end. Only a scorp can fully understand another scorp. Scorps are a bundle of complexities, contradictions and strengths all in rare prportions, the combination of which makes them so unique and 'strange'.
The point is that in a scorp-scorp relation ( friendship or otherwise from my experience..) there is no need to 'expalin' many of our complexities and churning inner turmoils. These are just understood with empathy, many a time without even uttering anything..
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"Yes Elliot, go ahead an ignore the rest of my post. When all else fail, pick the weakest and most irrelevant point and dissect that."

HAHA! Honestly Branh, honestly. This is what I come back to.
Is what I said not good enough for you? Don't let it get you down or anything like that lol. You should know well that I read and reply to A LOT of your stuff, so in no way do I feel obligated to do so in the spirit of what topazwoman calls the 'same arguments in the same tones'. And it IS the same argument, but since you know your water signs so well, you obviously don't really need me to respond, right?
But you would rather that I didn't ignore your post. Why? Do I need to be here to validate your thoughts on water signs? To allow the boards to see that all Scorps have laid down their ways following Branh's exposure of some truth?
In your fantasies, maybe, hah but I'm fine because I'm pretty convinced that you're wrong about water signs. You might be waiting for someone to call your posts correct even when they aren't. Me? I've said they aren't enough times - I don't think you need or even want to hear it again.
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I mean, come on... really
You are not a Scorp, nor are you at all close to one. In fact, you have said that you purposely haven't associated yourself with a Scorp in years. Not only can I not trust that you have an understanding of us Scorps, but I also can trust that you have a slight bias against us because of some not-so-great Scorps that you've encountered throughout your life. The ones who you always talk about - the attention whores, the self-image distorting ones, the insecure and cowardly ones - it's one big catastrophe of a memoir on Scorpios that should be read with a violin playing tragic melodies in the background. I mean you've actually gotten to the point in-which you just cut yourself off from Scorps altogether. I'm really sorry, but I'm not looking to embrace your knowledge of the inner-Scorpio when it seems as if you're an average Scorpio bashing Joe. (Not that you bash us, but still.) You've had bad experiences with Pisces women, so I can understand what you have to say about water signs, but I don't comply to it all, and again, I guess I'm sorry if it's somehow bad news that I'm saying this.
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**Yawn** @ Branh..same old shit..different day..
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Yeah.. And one more stupid person on this board.. Welcome, Elliot! lol smile
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Not at all Branh..I just sit here and laugh at your problems with everyone but yoruself.
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Ah man that shit is hillarious...such a gentleman you are!..
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Well, it impossible to care about everyone in the entire world but it can be done Winking
Haha, no seriously in response to Branh ... there are people who care about the feelings of others -- even at the end of the day smile
Sometimes I think I care for others feelings a bi too much and for sake my own. However, there have been time where I've been accused of only caring about myself ONLY because I can get really deep into work I feel needs to be done.
As a result a foresake things that others think should be important to me besides what I am involved with. *** I've been accused by sagitt., cancers, aquas, pisces, and scorpios (DB, MM, and JD are not included smile)
That can suck sometimes because I feel that they don't know my schedule nor how important getting my work done is me Sad
Branh, I'm like you man ... sometimes I get tired of people tellig me how to feel.
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*** gasps ***
OOOO my, I missed that
OOO HOOO Branh you are terrible smile
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"Elliot, it is a stupid assumption to make if you don't think that I am not close nor have I've ever been close to Scorpios."
HAH! Branh I don't assume or base anything judgements of you on chance - I do it based on what YOU say in dicussions like this one here. You said yourself you haven't associated with one in years. I don't know why, but that's what you have said.

AND ABOUT THE REST OF THAT POST YOU JUST LEFT:
LOL Well Branh, you say the saaaame stuff everyday we do this!! Hah anything I say in response WOULD be one big excuse to you because you already think you know your water signs. I'm starting to think that you've even stopped reading anything that some of us say, because you go back and write the same old things!! It's ridiculous - you need a new set of water signs to battle or something.

"What I said extended to all water signs, not just Scorps." - How many times am I going to hear that? I answered because I'm a Scorp and can tell right away how right or wrong you are about me or my Scorp friends personally - does it bother you? You won't shutup about it.
"And all signs experience a sense of failure. I think it is rather gradiose to think that you are the only people who deal with problems." - WHO HERE THINKS THAT?!?! Dear Lordy... do you pick up the wrong things entirely, or do you just not read what anyone posts??
"victimology pulpit, and admit that you put yourselfves into your own situations. It is that no one understands you, people understand you perfectly, and they don't like what they see." - Sure this can happen. I've witnessed it happen and I've been one to put myself in my own situations. I can't say that everybody has understood me perfectly, but I won't say that I haven't done things to myself in the past. Anyone can be misunderstood. Astrology says that Scorps are the most misunderstood - then so be it. Read it and weep, Branh.
What do you need to prove that all Water signs are not really what they think they are, because people DO understand them regardless of what they want to believe???? I've already told you what I think about this. To be honest, I think that most Scorps think that they ARE understood when actually in all truth they are not.
"At the end of the day, people are going to like you or they are not. Not everyone is going to like me, but I don't care about those people. Some people do, and some people don't. It is a fact of life." - Yes, and..... What are we all too dumb and weaker than
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than you now? We don't understand the simple realities even lol? What do you get out of reminding the boards of this fact every ten minutes?
"I am critical of Scorpios, but I'm critical of every sign, even Virgos." - DB once said that you have to say this an awful lot, and I'm realizing that he was dead right.
"If you just want to see me bashing Scorpios, then be my guest." - HAH you don't really want to spend all your time bashing Scorps, but only then would it be exposed how little you know us all as people. I don't think you're capable of describing the average Scorp and their daily life, because most water signs can't honestly relate to the things that you call them and the things you call them 'stupid' for lol.
"Whatever I say extend to everyone. Unlike most Water signs, I don't center my life around the psychology of bias. Everything that I say you do, you counter it by how you say you feel." - You say this all the time. You have that lodged in your head because you are SO sure that I do, but I speak from experiences and things learned just as you do. In fact, I haven't told these boards what I do or do not care for anymore than you have, probably less. And I know that you have a bias - if you want to talk about the "facts of life", then remember that no one is perfectly balanced - everyone has a bias.
"This, at the end of the day, no matter of profound you try to make it sound, is just one big excuse. No one gives a flying fuck about how you feel, they only care about what you do. Maybe you should get that in check if you want to get out of the hotseat."
LOL I wouldn't expect anyone to care I feel on this board, Branh, hah that's not me! And buddy - I'm in the hotseat because I'm bothering to respond to you many many posts that say the same old things, in the same old tones. Others have responded to you! Oh nooo, but this isn't about them - this is you and I and what you call 'the hotseat' lol, well then I'm waiting, what else do you have to say. I'm going to say again - since you didn't read any post made in reponse to you in full - that we've again and again told you what we think in the same way that you tell what you think, but unless it's validating your thoughts on water signs, you really don;t want to hear it and it's an excuse to you. Well so be it, move on. Apparently, you're going to get the same old 'excuses', in the same old tones.
Oh and by the way I can take the hotseat anytime, as I've always done, you seem to despis
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despise it far more than I do - Telling the boards how much you don't care for this and don't care for that lol - and then telling ME that no one gives a fck how I FEEL?? LOL it doesn't need to be said to me, but to you many more times.
Anyways, if you don't like my posts because 'they're nothing but excuses made to sound profound' lol, then respond to the others who replied to you - you're ignoring all of them. Like I said, a lot of them say that they can't relate to what you're calling them - but that's not what you want to hear is it?? And by the way Branh, no one here has anymore more excuses than you - no matter how structured they sound or how well founded you want to have them appear lol, so stuff it. Obviously, the damage that your posts cause you is already done, because you sound like a broken record by now.
This is the post that you might want to ignore, especially, if you only have more of the same stuff to say. (Are you happy now, son? Responded to damn near every word.)
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Lol @ Elliot Winking
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hmmm, I take it that you and Branh don't see eye to eye smile
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Oh for heavens sake water signs and earth signs are suppose to get along ... water helps soil grow ....
LOL, but I am a cappy so I see things differently ... I am a seagoat LOL!!!!!
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There's nothing more exciting than a heated Scorpio.. Winking
Loved that.. I'm so ing sad I can't stay for the fight of tonight. I hate these time differences..
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Yeah, I think you are right, SB.. I think they love each other. They need each other. That's a real water-earth love here on this board.
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