Can you read this Scoprio natal chart for me?

What would you think of this person (female, age 24):

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and especially how would she be in love and relationships? what would she look for?
what would she need most?

this is our synastry as well:

needsmorecoffee,

I can't read her chart. 24 years old. She is unevolve Scorpio.

I don't understand, what do you mean "unevolve scorpio"?

you need to copy and past this in your browser to open the chart

Posted by needsmorecoffee
What would you think of this person (female, age 24):

http://www.dxpnet.com/images/veqybn9ndbc9cccx.gif<BR>
and especially how would she be in love and relationships? what would she look for?
what would she need most?

this is our synastry as well:

give me your DOB and her DOB

Unevolve Scorpio meaning she is not matured enough and she is afraid of trusting people and giving

her heart right away and she's more exposed to negative side of her thoughts and likes to be alone

than to be hurt and broken.

So until she didn't get that point of embracing her weakness and learn to trust people...then it

might be a problem if you keep pestering her.

Just tell her: You love her and hoping you understand if she could open up her feelings.

If she respond very rude and arrogant,etc. then she loves you. If she respond very caring of her words

then she might NOT in love with you. take note: You are Libra and no one understands Scorpio

unless a fellow Scorpio.

I read her chart. Her Venus(love) is in Sag. Same as mine... so she is more independent and

adventurous.

can't go that far to explain.

she's been arrongant but cold since I told her... now we are in no communication, but kept our connections open

was she cruel to you? if she did that. She might love you.

Posted by M143

was she cruel to you? if she did that. She might love you.

i don't get this. cruelty = love for unevolved scorps? how could this be? it boggles the mind.

When we left each other since now she was rather "cruel" to me... how she behaved and negating communication, and one day angry and upset to what I was trying to say to her calmly. I did not hammer her with calls, texts or something in the two weeks after the breakup. Just a contact every 3-4 days, it was unavoidable for me to try to talk to her.

In the last week we only heard each other once for a menial thing, she called me at the phone and we were also not too kind.

Today she called me again... but treated me "well" for the first time. I mean by well, it was just a "happy" call. The purpose of the call seemed just to know how I was doing, she told me how she was doing, and to answer me about a question I asked 10 days earlier, that I wanted to meet now. She said she can't because of her work schedule and can't take leaves now (I know she's honest about this). She said she would like to make a trip together somewhere next year (we live long distance) between feb-mar.

However, the whole conversation and the phone call closure had a lot of "friendship" feeling to it. I don't understand though why mentioning about the idea of some travel together at the same time.

I have the feeling after this call that she is not really trying to get closer to me as she was before. Maybe friendzoned, something to which I would definitely not respond to, without hesitation.

My feeling about is just move on during these months, and maybe ignore her. Then see if something happens in feb or mar, or never.

Ah, I'd still like a reading of her chart or our synastry though...

It might be as M143 says, she's young, wants to be free, afraid of being caged. She initiated a relationship in lot adventurous and crazy way. She told me she loves that crazy feeling, of adventure, of something exciting to keep her passionate despite the distance (venus in sagittarius is in 3rd house).

Even though she was a looot into me before, she became freezing me out in the moment I started to be more into her, after several months or perhaps the feeling started to fade a little before and that further convinced her. She couldn't say me back "I love you" after I told her for the first time, even though - she told me while crying - she really wanted to. From there, plus other things - like insecurities or as M143 points out, afraid of being hurt with the wrong relationship (she confessed me before to have weaknessess or afraid of being selfish, long time ago - and opening her up is quite something for a scorpio I guess).

She told me at breakup she was so scared of losing me. And that's where the friendship thing came from. Since it was so hard to talk with her after breakup after being angry I tried to be close to her in a friendly way - because I wanted her to talk to me openly and honestly. In the end it was very dishonest of me to play the friend part just one day, I just couldn't take anymore of her silence. She knows I have feelings, but probably convinced herself I will play this part. She never left anyone before. Her ex boyfriend treated her very bad and she suffered from that breakup.

She sent me another message yesterday night. Just saying hi. But I did not reply yet.

@IrresistableScorp, I believe she's strong willed and looks determined in not changing her mind in getting back with me now. We did not touch this topic since almost two weeks by now. I don't think it's something I can resist or change now, and while being at a distance. I don't see her face even on a video since one month.

Yeah I could move on, I'm already enjoying my normal life here and I'm not desperate. But really, this was a significant relationship with me, one of the very very few in my life I'd do something about even while moving on.

I would like to make that trip happen. She surely likes travel and adventure. I love it too and that's how we met or how we spent most of our time. There are details I can't write here. But she comes not from a rich country, her salary is not high and she can't afford many days out. Yet, she's very proud and despite I

Yet, she's very proud and despite I helped her before, she wants to be indipendent and manage her own finances. Something I admire of her. She spent all her 2013 leaves only for me. The fact she said she'd like to take some more as soon as she can only to see me maybe matters. If I could bring her to the right spirit of adventure, fun and reignite the spiciness between us, to the point of making out and getting laid... well maybe I would hit her soft spot again and at least she would be more open with me.

I'm naturally fun and a joker. I'm just afraid that being fun would just assert the idea of "friend". Flirting and being soft like before wouldn't work either. But she's obviously not giving me any romance anymore, even since few days before breakup and we all know you can't force that. Should I just be serious, detached and keep ignore her altogether? Friendzone is definitely such bullshit.

needsmorecoffee,

Your Scorpio behaved a bit similarity of who I was, with an ex Virgo. I was crying behind closed

door and so rude when replying his text, I was madly in love with him and I was afraid of being hurt.

I had a hard time moving on that time . It took me 2 years to move on my life without him and even

I left him 2 years ago... every time we chatted on FB he kept saying He really loved me and I am his

life. I too cruel with him and No amounts of my cruelty can pay off his kindness and that melted my

heart over and over again. I guess He was my GREAT LOVE.


Scorpio will stand the ground fiercely with extreme power outside while crying inside..specially

if they are in love. The greatest weakness of Scorpio is to fall in love and they act cruelly. lol

just can't understand too why is this... it's just a true love will stand the test of time.

Ok, but what are you trying to tell me? what should I do? I'm lost because I can't act naturally now (I mean in regards of her, my life is otherwise pretty normal, fun and full otherwise). I hate that.

needsmorecoffee,

Scorpio are good to put their financial in order.

Even if she was acting weirdly towards you... just be kind to her.

It will kill her inside. Scorpio will always come back if there were no cheating issues from

their partner. If the issues is just about her.. then I am positive she will come back.

Give time. Scorpio needs space and air to breath and to control their emotion..

Keep in contact with her. who knows.

I can't say if in this moment she's cruel... It's definitely cruel when the other is gentle to you as I always been while you're cold and freezing and trashing back all what we had. Just like before, probably, she never brought up any of her doubts, feelings. She chose to leave me at a distance, rather than facing me. And that, after only few weeks she was screaming out to the world how much she was in love and proud of me. I have pictures of her she's literally running to the camera to kiss and hug me, even when we were among friends. That was just 2-3 weeks before breakup. I can't realize how I became nothing in just a matter of no time, without even talking or trying.

My advice

1. Just act smart and pretend nothing wrong (Scorpio will trigger what happened)
2. Just be kind to her even she's cruel & rude, always be in your good manner (Scorpio appreciate that)
3. Keep it as cool even the break up already declared (let her know it didn't bother you)
4. Stay focus about your life and do something to your finances to improve (Scorpio loves rich man)
5. Don't act as if you're a loser.. read # 1. this is intriguing. Be classy

So you are saying I should be just myself? a person in love? without hiding my feelings behind the curtain of a friendship? or make her feeling jealous? should I still be sweet, being fun, sending her kisses, being romantic or clearly tell again I love her?
how to balance this with their time to breath?

also, I thought the scorpio like to chase... she definitely chased after me in the first place

TAKE NOTE:

when a Scorpio in love.... they like to escape and leave. It frightens us.

The emotions runs deep and we need to be in control to that emotion.

Don't take it too personal just give her time.. she will come back.

yes just be yourself and don't make her jealous if you don't like her to mess up your life. lol

Scorpio when jealous can be the end of relationship..just tell her you love her and then stop

contacting her if she didn't respond...

There's no amount of time to balance our emotion to breath in. Just leave her alone at the moment

she needs more space from you and don't suffocate her.. or she will lash out negatively. lol

I was sick of that negative energy when I was unevolve Scorp.

A bit of Mystery from you can works wonder. She will chase if she don't hear anything from you.

Posted by M143

TAKE NOTE:

when a Scorpio in love.... they like to escape and leave. It frightens us.

The emotions runs deep and we need to be in control to that emotion.

Don't take it too personal just give her time.. she will come back.

Sooo true !

Keep telling her how you miss being with her and how she was special, but not all the time, just remind her. Long distance scares people, especially scorpios.

Ask yourself, what do you want out of this relationship ? Is it ok if you guys see each other every few months ? Do you want to date other people during these months ? How serious are you ?

If you think she is the one and you want to marry her, do anything you can to meet her in march and just before she leaves let her know how serious you are.

Hi beggarsplanet

yes I will tell, and I'm serious with her (not easy for me to say that, trust me)
long distance could scare people, although she's the one who started it... and even her previous bf was not close distance (although closer than me) - I guess venus in sag in 3rd house doesn't lie? 🙂

I wanted to see more often by the beginning of this year and later on relocate gradually to her country; of course now I'm holding back a bit while I keep on with my own business

thanks

lol I meant beggarsblanket 😄

Posted by M143

Scorpio will always come back if there were no cheating issues from their partner.

This is comforting, but I just had a thought

what if cheating was involved from her side? even though it's crazy, but what if he had a crush on someone or flirted around, and felt dishonest to continue with me to avoid hurting me later?

would a scorpio girl like the one I described to you still think of me or miss our moments together to the point of meeting again to see if we can revive them? she's posting a lot of fb pictures of those moments together, even though I don't appear in many of the pictures, but I'm the one who took them all

no common friends know that she broke up with me, they all assume we're together and are all happy for us, they all like me and tell her

Oh. Scorpio are secretive people.

Scorpio after break up?... if it was her.. she will not jump into another man quickly.

If it was you who broke her heart... you will see how she can jump another man's arms in just

a one night.

Scorpio of course will miss you...did you stop contacting her? if so.. wait she will contact you

again and tell you that she missed you.

yes she knows I will see those of course, we exchanged a few messages yesterday still related on something she found for me, but nothing special - I told her I miss those moments together like in the pictures where we were always happy, between us or with friends. No response on that. I'm not actively contacting her, she doesn't either. I prefer not to interact actively even of FB, will try to make some time pass.

thanks for your advices, really

Well, it turned out things were a lot more crazy than I thought to be. I feel a bit of an idiot to share all this here.

Some things I got to know from her, but others through a friend. Then I put the puzzle together myself. She has someone else in her mind unfortunately. It's someone she was chatting with before we started our relationship. It was around the time her past boyfriend left, cheated and hurt her. This guy is also from overseas, and actually even more far than me. On top of that with two kids, a bit older than me. The thing is that they kept in touch all these months. He knew about me but for some reason she kept bugging and looking for him. He visited her country after I left last month and she left me, but the two didn't even meet! He dated someone else, he just saw friends, just for a visit, I'm not sure, but I know they didn't meet. Now she's chasing him online again but he doesn't care. She had posted something on her FB like "it's difficult to love someone that doesn't love you". She told others she loves him, not me. It's so crazy. A person she never met. I think what happened in her mind was... she had something for both of us around the same time (except she had met me in person at least once). She was truly in love with me these months, but found something in me she was not happy with - at the same time keeping in touch with the other guy. Perhaps when I told her "I love you" or when she saw the most soft sides of me. Then she started thinking about this other guy to be the right one. Something like that, for how crazy it may sound, it's what happened.

We chatted one day this week after she posted something on FB that I thought it was about me (it was about her and probably this guy). It was polite as usual. We did not talk about the other man, I pretend nothing. At some point she told me "you should not think or care of me anymore, we can't be together". The first reason of "why" she gave me is that "You are too good for me and I don't deserve you". She added that what happened between us in the past months was true and she though I was the man of her dreams but then the more and more she realized our characters were different and not suitable to be together. I asked her what's exactly wrong about our characters but she could not point out (or maybe afraid to tell?). She had many "I don't know" - "I'm not sure" - "maybe". The same when I asked "what's your idea of me then?". I told her to be frank but again she answered with "

(continues)...I told her to be frank but again she answered with "I don't know". I told her that perhaps if she is not sure about many things, she could be wrong about me and us - after all we don't know each other that very very well.

I think she might have rushed her decision because of the other man. She said to me that she thinks of me sometimes, and the time together was happy and true. For some reason she even mentioned the sex (which is odd because I didn't mention that and thought it was not important here), that she was very happy with me for that and thinks about it too.

She's more complicated and immature than I thought. Maybe she just enjoys the "chase" with this other person, I'm no longer a mystery to her. Or maybe she's immature to the point wishing more of a "bad guy" type of guy, or something she was not able to tell. She keep insisting on that "you're too good for me" and I'm the best man she ever met, but "we can't be together".

I could just put this in the nut-case box, pity her, have a laugh and forget it. But I seem I can't. For what we had and for how intense and beautiful it was. There's nothing much more I can do now. It's so difficult to talk or even joke or be natural with someone emotionally occupied. I have a feeling nothing with happen with the guy, they are not likely to see each other any time soon and it's unrequited. Maybe she will still want to see me in feb-mar as she said. I guess I might wait just for that.

needsmorecoffee,

you moved me. Love can move mountains really. I hate to admit that Scorpio love is just defined

as obsession (like chasing her ex that didn't love her). soon or later, She will quit and that

guy will only just daydreaming about her never ending love to him. See how she burned all those

bridges that connects between him and her once she finally pity for herself.

Scorpio are just crazy as hell when they fall in love but same as crazy as hell when they move on.

They won't give any drops of tears and might act as if nothing happen but at the end.. she knows

that her misery was over with that man.

She will remember you then as a man who stood her side and romance all her crap.

Just do the no contact thing until you hear from her...she already lay all the cards saying "I don't

know" so she is confused and don't want to hurt you anymore.

I think she was trying to heal her own ego that this ex caused that's why She posted all

the photos of you and her and many more. She portray to her ex that she is fine and having fun

but deep inside she was emotionally sick.

M143 I think there's a misunderstanding perhaps?

she is not chasing her ex, but someone far she's been chatting with for months and never met in person; probably he flirted with her long time ago, I don't know what they talked about really, he's just someone who made friends online, especially girls, and later decided to visit the country (without seeing her either). He knew she got then a bf (me) she told him she was happy with and he didn't bother her anymore; still, she looked for him while being with me, then at some point dumped me and went all after this guy that does not care of her anymore

probably the pics she posted where not that significant, I was in some of those, the rest were just from our time together, majority were of hers which I took - she used to posts many pictures of herself and her activities anyway, since ever, she's a very active girl after all

it's true that when her ex cheated and left her about one year ago, she was in pain and cut all the bridges with him... she shared with me her stories and she always said, and still says that I'm "uncomparable with him"

yet, yes, she's still emotionally sick now, I can feel that - she cried when she left me, now she seems crying for this other thing - she told me once she needs to feel crazy about love (yeah perhaps is the obsession you say) - she was not obsessed with me anymore clearly... Yet, I think it's normal after you get out of the "falling in love stage" but I think she doesn't understand it

ps and this guy is not on facebook either anymore, so what she does there is not to show him, probably just her ego and her friends

needsmorecoffee,

oh I see. I got it. Well, I think she is just obsessed with that guy.

WE hate to cry but when we cry it's really hurting us deeply. We are wounded and in soo much pain.

I hate also to remember the pains that ex lovers did to me. I always cried those ex lover who still

kind to me even I was cruel...they made me sick of remembering them.


Nothing that kills a Scorpio woman inside if you don't make it hard for them...

If you want love express Anger. If you want hate express Love...lol

I don't get it what you say, sorry. What should I express? Make it hard for her? I only wish that the negative emotions go away, to make space for positive ones towards me and us... I wish to get to the point she wants to see me in feb mar, with a bit of adventurous spirit and see how we feel, what happens from there.

At breakup she did told me she needs to feel crazy to be in love, in other words she wants to obsess. The fact we had a lot of happiness, passion, crazy sex and honesty doesn't seem enough for her. She seems to build so many expectations on a dreamy partner and rushing into a relationship, no wonder you're going to hit some wall at some point, and hurt yourself - I bet she's crying now, because of this guy and the whole situation.

I'm already trying to leave her alone and give her time. But I don't wish really she moves over from me ONLY because of this whole drama she fabricated herself and this guy from her recent past.

I mean just be kind to her. For the meantime she is chasing the other guy...

soon she will be over from that. She will begin to miss you just leave for a moment.

leave her a kind words for her to wake up in her crazy fantasy.

after one week she contacted me for christmas wishes... I'd have expected that. It was polite but also we didn't talk about us really this time, just about how we are doing and mixed things. Seems she's focusing on work, she's also taking a course this month, planning to change company in the forthcoming year to grow more and I was happy to hear all these things.

Of course I was kind and sweet to her, even thrown subtly a couple of memories. But that was it, she's still in the friendly-mood and her contacting me was just for being kind for Christmas.

She might as well be over with her obsession for that person, whoever he might be - but who knows scorpio as secretives and I don't trust the feelings I have about her now.

She could be in one of those scorpio moments to retire from the world (she even wrote something like that on Facebook days ago and is not much active anymore) or focus on herself and friends and family. These are conjectures. Yet I'm sure she did not contact because she ist missing me as a lover. From what I've heard, she's definitely giving herself some time now to focus on specific things.

Anyway, well nothing new, probably will continue no contact... I wrote here also to thank you for your thoughtful advices, M143, and make my wishes of Merry Christmas to you as well. 🙂

needsmorecoffee,

Glad to hear that. Scorpio once brokenhearted they are more focused to themselves. This is our

great strength. We live even it's painful and tried to forget though it's really hard on our part.

We are dying inside and just to rise again... whew.

Stay grounded and continue to live your life and wish you more improvements ahead... this is a TURN

ON to a Scorpio lady.

Merry Christmas too!

I see. She broke mine with all what she did. I don't know what she's living inside really, she's far. I wonder if I did something to make her lose respect or love for me, breaking her expectations about us in the first place. I just don't wish she forgets about me and our little big love story just because of her messing up and mixing of emotions, people and events. I'll send her some thoughtful wishes of new year on the 1st telling her something meaningful and of my love for her.

X

needsmorecoffee,

Nice wishes.

Scorpio will never forget whether kindness or cruelties.

Cruelties we get from others will find us way to walk away and never look back.

Kindness we get from others will make us emotionally attached till death...specially from lovers and

we will always live in it.

@Nemesis, normally I'd do what you say and it's still possible that I'll end up doing that. My initial reaction was exactly that.

I believe people make mistakes (that includes me). The difference is between honest mistakes and dishonest mistakes. I don't think she intentionally toyed with me from the beginning. I think she was really into me, to the point of introducing to some family members, closest friends, who still have respect for me and most of them think we're together for what they have seen was really romance. This makes some difference to me.

The problem is she rushed everything: a crazy, compulsive and obsessive love which burned too fast. She's naive, very immature, doesn't know how to handle relationships. I'm not justifying her. I think she's sincere when she says "what we had was true". I had many girls, I can tell when one is spontaneous and genuinely in love and when one is not.

Of course I'd like her to learn how she's handled it wrong and all the stuff you say. Usually this is best done by some close friend (but I think she's the stubborn type that doesn't listen - and yet her closest friend and flatmate is a very, very stupid girl no one of her other friends likes). Most importantly from experience. Something that can't be taught by words, she wouldn't get them - especially from me now.

There's a lot more I can teach her about what you say, but it might depend if she's open to listen, open up herself, and growing up. If we can get close (we live far apart, remember?) there will be opportunity for that (especially if we get 'that' close). By then I should be able to tell if it's a lost case or not.

Right now it's useless to pester her with lectures about dos and don'ts in relationships or life - I'm not really in the mood for that either 🙂 I rather enjoy my life and friends at the turn of the year -

I think what M143 and Impulsiv suggest is that telling gentle and kind words to her in an assertive and smooth manner can be more strong, intense and emotional than telling her hurtful and mean things, and probably will stay in her mind even if we move on, so it's something she would have learned.

she accepted your generosity before, now of all a sudden she wants to pay for her own shit and does not accept you helping her out financially - true meaning: it's an excuse NOT to visit you.

I didn't do anything extraordinarily generous for her, besides kind stuff one would do in a relationship without much thinking. I don't think she ever got advantage of my generosity; if she wanted to, she could have got a lot more, I have more money than she does. Even when I offered her to help out, she always insisted to pay her own expenses. On her first trip to see me she paid her air ticket. So yeah, I appreciated all these things from her.

@Nemesis I understand what you say - but you don't read about my feelings or my needs because I'm not crying around, I don't need to and I wouldn't see what use that could be in a internet forum 🙂

I came here for some advice since at the beginning her sudden breakup and change surprised me and I was looking for more understanding.

That whole story about the guy and her superficiality in feelings surely disappointed me. In the end nothing happened with the guy, except her making herself miserable and crying around on the internet (as she did now on FB or she done when her past bf cheated her), at the phone with me and I bet in other occasions too - something you'd not see me doing.

A lot of us (including me) choose to forget a person and end relationships when they cease to function or when they stuck into some big disappointment or hurt. There are some that you feel doing something about and this is one of the very few of them for me.

I think the only advices I could have expected from this forum (the only one I wrote just by chance) were about dealing with a scorpio person with that type of chart and perhaps some feminine advice regarding the specific case. Of course, all the real answers I will get from her, that's why I didn't add much more after the picture was more clear. I'm still open to read this thread, it's interesting to read about personalities nevertheless.

All that matters is that she doesn't really have another right now and that she went through something emotional that can teach her something. All I need from her is to meet up and if there's something to make her more open and mature towards me, then it'll be good. It will be a lot simpler to get answers or closure and what to do next for me. If that doesn't happen, it's also a type answer and I might just do what you say, very simple 🙂

telling gentle and kind words to her in an assertive and smooth manner can be more strong, intense and emotional than telling her hurtful and mean things, and probably will stay in her mind even if we move on, so it's something she would have learned.

Needsmorecoffee,

We are evolve Scorpio and knows exactly our fellow.

Believe it or not the Only way to get a heart of any Scorpio is your humility.

Speak to her gently and will get back to you triply... Scorpio will respond

according to what you say. If you make it rude..it will triple rudeness back at

you. The amount is too high for you to pay until she burns those bridges and the

less chance you can get...

I know you believe her love you both shared... she will cherished it and I

believe too she will come back... give time and stay focus to yourself.

Scorpio once they destroy what they build they always comeback and see if it

still there...we call it birth and rebirth process. We need to die in order

for us to see who's going to stay with us after we destroy.

Oh you remind me about ex virgo, I was stupid then and can't handle myself.

He paid my rudeness and arrogant words in his kindness and until now,, I do

still love him. This made me cry and been 6 yrs ago.

I gave up on him because of his family...I want him to save his family and leave

him was my best option and I was dying inside seeing him struggling.

🙂 happy new year M143 (and you all), it's not the time to be sad