charles manson

a scorpio? no point... i was just reading they released a recent photo of him

gosh hes been in prison for over 40 years....wonder if he will ever be paroled

Here's the new picture of him (Taken yesterday)



Now he looks kinda like Saddam Hussein

LOL..he does actually....

The eyes look lost....piercing but lost..a lot of sadness

Nobody ever listened to him, except his family .... and that is sad.


Perhaps, if he recieved validation for his importance as a person, then he wouldn't have been inclined to have to prove something.



People thought he was crazy when he used to say things like ........


"It's a thought, man, a thought .. it's whatever you think"


People didn't hear him because they thought he was crazy, and this ignorance of the world that he had to deal with in everybody drove him mad ... I can relate to him and his saddness.

he sure does LOL

he was never at the scene of any of the murders....he just ordered others to do it

The eyes look lost....piercing but lost..a lot of sadness

and alot of pain...he put those people through how he was feeling inside, sad! He probably feels that he doesnt fit into this world...

Nobody else disturbed by the fact that this guy is doing life in prison not for killing anyone, but for ordering others to kill. Plus he's obviousely insane, and whatever was left of his humanity before he went to prison, has surely disapeared from all the years between those grey walls. He should be in an insane asylum, not a prison.

I agree with you P-Angel. Nobody cares about why he turned out the way he did. Nobody wants to understand him. It's easier to label him a nut-case, lock him up and throw away the key.

So why would anyone want to understand someone like Manson, who destroyed so many lives? Well because believe it or not, he had a mother and father too (altough not what you would call a healthy home), he was once a child once and experienced things through an innocent child's eyes too, like every one of us. He's a human being just like his victims, and he's a victim of something greater and more powerful than any of his vitims were. They were victims of a man, while he's the unfortunate victim of bad circumstances, which is something you can't label and put in prison.

Nobody else disturbed by the fact that this guy is doing life in prison not for killing anyone, but for ordering others to kill. Plus he's obviously insane, and whatever was left of his humanity before he went to prison, has surely disapeared from all the years between those grey walls. He should be in an insane asylum, not a prison.


Ever see "The Shawshank Redemption"? Manson reminds me of the character "Brooks" pretty much, as in he's spent the majority of his life in Prison and he considers it "Home". I don't think he really knows any different, and he probably would be lost and confused if he were let out of Prison.

Even in interviews he did like 20 years ago he would talk about how Prison was "Freedom" and The Outside World was "Prison", so he obviously prefers being kept away from the outside world.

Yes, he said in an interview that he doesen't want to get out since the prison is his home. It's the only thing he knows. Outside is the agony of freedom. But no, I don't think he should be released out into the society or among people, but he shouldn't be rotting away in a cell. There are other institutions more appropriate for his kind. In prison you can't grow spiritually, it only breaks you down. No institution should be allowed to kill your spirit and prevent your spiritual growth.

no that was John Wayne Gacy.. the homo-killer...if you rent the movie "Helter Skelter" it will explain all about Mason

I mean Manson.... i also read that hes been in and out of institutions ALL his life...he even ask if he could stay in prison but was refused

The sad part is ..... he still has a soul and nobody cares.


Just because we err doesn't mean we're fucked up for life.


I watched an interview where he said that he yearns to sit on a river bank in the spring .... looking at the flowers in bloom, smelling the clean air, listening to the brook babbling.


Does that ^^^^ sound like a person who is soulless?

And btw .. Manson never told Tex Watson to kill those people, he never told Susan Atkins to kill those people .. he never "ordered" anybody's death.

It would be nice if people found out truth, rather than rely on the Media to slant their perspective ...... because what he says, what his family says happened, is contrary to what the Media says happened, and people believe the latter without any gaining any further knowledge beyond the initial shock of what the Media has told them ..... for reactionary effect.


btw .... pay attention to the latter part of my last sentence .... it's has a reason.

is this the guy who would dress up like a clown and kill people or something? LOL i remember hearing about someone like that. lol.


You should read up on the different serial killers. John Wayne Gacy was the one who dressed up as a Clown (He was a "Birthday Party" Clown for kids), but at night he would invite teenage boys over to his house and into his basement where they would watch gay porn and then he would strangle them and have sex with their dead bodies and then bury their bodies underneath his crawlspace.

Charles Manson was more like a "Cult Leader". It's said that he "Brainwashed" a few women into murdering Sharon Tate and a few others in that house (Manson himself has claimed to never have murdered anyone)

Ms Pisces, do you ever stop and think that not everybody has the same prospects in life nor the ability to make the same choices. I know we love this romantic idea tha we all have a choice, but sharing this world with bilions of other people, how can you ever say that your life is determined by yourself and not by others .... even in Manson's case. And if he in fact is a sociopath, altough this word is tossed around a lot, that makes his behaviour even more excusable. In that case he was not even born with the same prospects as the rest of us. So who are we to judge him?

I'm not a "follower" or anything, the man is clearly a danger to others, so I'm not talking about releasing him into the free. But as human beings, all people have the right to certain amount of freedom regardless of their crimes, that includes smelling the flowers and feeling the summer breeze in your face.

is contrary to what the Media says happened, and people believe the latter without any gaining any further knowledge beyond the initial shock of what the Media has told them ..... for reactionary effect.


btw .... pay attention to the latter part of my last sentence .... it's has a reason.


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It isn't my message to be unravelled .. it was Mansons .. and any person, such as yourself, who has to make comment on this to suggest that it's mine .. is clear indication that they dont' even know the whole purpose of Manson's existence.


He had a point, a very valid point ... just like the Artist and his Starving Dog had a point.


Nobody can comprehend the point, even if they hear it with thier own ears, or see it with thier own eyes ... because we are programmed to "react" from messages, and it's these initial reactions that we base our viewpoints on .. eventhough these reactions were manipulated for the very purpose of slanting opinion.



Any person who actually knows about Manson and his family ... knows to what I'm referring and wouldn't say something like ... "I'm not interested in unraveling your hidden meanings. If you decide to be upfront with your thoughts, ill listen." ........ because they would have the knowledge already to what I infer, for it's this very inference, rather than precise statement that was Manson's whole point.


You know .. the Media infers, makes suggestions, manipulates ... they don't right out and tell you that they're lying to you, or fucked up, or tricking you.




lol, if a person really wants to know about Manson .... then they should seek the truth, rather than rely on the Media ..... just as Manson has told people repeatedly, over and over and over and over and over again, and again and again and again ....


........ think .............


look for the truth, rather than rely on what you are told ..... and for everyday that he continues to sit in prison is another day that people haven't decided to think for themselves yet, and are relying on what they are told .... is another day that Manson is right.

"Charles Manson was more like a "Cult Leader". It's said that he "Brainwashed" a few women into murdering Sharon Tate and a few others in that house (Manson himself has claimed to never have murdered anyone)"



Actually ... there were no "women" brainwashed into killing Sharon Tate and a few others in the house .. it was Charles 'Tex' Watson who killed those people.

"SNAPPED" is my favorite show

"all people have the right to certain amount of freedom regardless of their crimes"

I disagree with that too...it really depends on what you have done.....murderers and child molesters in my opinion should never see the light of day

Posted by Ms.Pisces
I believe we can grow spiritually in jail. In fact, it is easier to become more spiritually aware when you are no longer surrounded by the distractions of the "free" world.

How can you grow spiritually if you're isolated from any human contact, sitting in a small cell with nothing to do but stare at the wall. He's been doing it for an etirnity, of course it's gonna kill his personality. It's not like he's allowed to paint or write or whatever. I remember he said the only contact he has to the outside world is a radio.

I get your point regarding insane asylums, but that was only an example. I don't like asylums any more than prisons, and my point was that it's time to create a more humane instutution where people like Manson can create a life for themselves outside of our society, where they can grow spiritually and hopefully even experience remorse. Prisons only teach you one thing - it's me agains the whole world - and that's the only thing Manson ever learned. In a new form of institution where he would be allowed to create and live under more meaningful circumstances, he would at least feel that the world is not his enemy. It might even inspire him to better himself. Feel sympathy rather than apathy.

xo i dont like it either...p-angel cant relate to anyone but a murderer...interesting

Posted by Ms.Pisces
I care more about studying and understanding the criminally insane, on a scientific level. [...] I do sympathize with the circumstances that bring people to commit violent acts, but I cannot sympathize with actual person [...] I'm more interested in finding out the "whys" as to prevent it from happening to others, before they too, reach the point of no return.

Well then we're almost on the same level. I don't symphatize with Mansons actions, but I do have sympathy for people that are different. I'm sure if it was up to them they'd rather be like you and me. I don't have much sympathy for those sadists who kidnap women, rape them and turn their homes into Sodom and Gomorrah like orgies. But Manson is truly an exepction for me, for the various of reasons that P-Angel brings up, which are all true. The problem is you are all blinded by the media. Media has no intrest in making anything else but profit from others misery.

Posted by XoKissesXo
I don't get around to watching T.V. too much, but I have watched forensics the murders on E! when they put them on, u know the Hollywood murders like the Menendes (sp?) Brothers, O.J. Simpson etc. so of course they had Manson. It was a while ago though when I watched it, but it made me sick to my stomach. He gives me the chills.

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See that's the problem. People watch these forensics shows and stuff out of morbid curiosity, and that's all they get. Junk-food for the brain. Media is not intrested in the person behind the crime, they only want to show all the nasty details. And of course you tag along and make up your mind about things you know nothing about. You know the number of stabwounds, sure, and what traces the killer left behind him, but that's all.

They say Hitler is the greates mass murderer of all times, despite the fact that he never pulled the trigger on any of the victims of the Holocaust. He was in a position of power and abused it. Well what do you think media is doing? Our whole generation has been brainwashed, everything from silicon breasts to innocent people sitting on death rows, all because media is not really intrested in the truth. Media wants an angle.

Media in the hands of an angry mob in a democracy is really the greatest mass murderer there is, because that makes every one of us guilty. And here we're talking about Manson, what a joke.

The scariest of them all, is that sexual sadist who turned a trailor into a torturing chamber, for the women he kidnapped.


Personally, I think Jeffrey Dahmer was the scariest, although he was only a threat to Men and not Women since he was Gay.

Dahmer would convince guys to come over to his apartment so he could photograph them, and then he'd slip stuff into their drinks and when they'd pass out, he'd drill a hole in their heads and pour acid into the hole and then he'd have sex with their dead corpses, and then would chop them up, eat their body parts and put the leftovers in a big vat of acid so the bodies and bones would liquify (in a way to get rid of the evidence)

He was definitely the creepiest.

XoKissesXo thank God for your voice of reason, families lost there loved ones behind this maniacs decision to manipulate and exploit, thank goodness you can see behind the bullshit smoke and mirrors and see things as they really are. I don't dislike Charles Manson b/c honestly some of the stuff actually makes sense, not everything he says is pointless but he sure can throw a bunch a non-sense in the midst of the clarity he spouts which creates crazy making behavior and thoughts in other people.

Ted Bundy was also very creeeeeepy and Jeffrey Dahmer used to volunteer at a suicide hotline and worked with another woman who has actually written a book, Dahmer had a seemingly normal relationship with 2 women so not all psychopaths act and look like Manson and to me that is scary in and of itself.

And for the record manson paraphernalia is alive and kicking, for whomever believes he's forgotten is mistaken, he's got a huge fan club and he's one of the most popular cult leaders to this day...can we say David Koresh

Posted by irishlibraiskatie
this whole thread is creepy

I agree. Regardless of opinion, this thread is really making me depressed. Not coming back, let's get out of here and talk astrology, like why male Scorpios are psycho and stuff and other harmless stuff 😛

Also I saw Sharon Tates dead body, despite the fact that he didn't do it, I feel anybody that was even associated with that killing deserves what Manson got...

Ted Bundy was also very creeeeeepy and Jeffrey Dahmer used to volunteer at a suicide hotline and worked with another woman who has actually written a book, Dahmer had a seemingly normal relationship with 2 women so not all psychopaths act and look like Manson and to me that is scary in and of itself.


No, you got them mixed up. It was Ted Bundy who worked a "Suicide Hotline" and had a couple of normal relationships with women.

A woman that Bundy worked with at the Suicide Hotline (Ann Rule) ended up writing a book about Bundy's killings. She claimed that when Bundy and her worked together, he seemed very normal and she actually felt safe around him at work whenever they were alone.

Life is freaky that way..

Anyway, no you guys get THIS. . .when my mom was alive, she swore up and down that Ted Bundy came up to her, when she was in Sammamish or Salt Lake City or something, i cant remember. . .but she said he had his arm in a sling, and asked her to help him load something into his car, but she said no. And apparently thats how he got his victims? cause i seen a movie about him and he did that. . .and in the movie they said he only killed brunettes, and my mom was a brunette so it could've very well have been him!



Seem Familiar? 🙂

He is rumored to have had Roman Polanski's wife murdered. A particular shame, cuz she was very pregnant at the time.


During the making of "Rosemary's Baby", Polanski consulted the head of the Church of Satan, who was both the voice of the "Devil" and a good friend of Manson's. Or, so I've read...


How many degrees of separation is that?

Posted by Happy Scorpio
The scariest of them all, is that sexual sadist who turned a trailor into a torturing chamber, for the women he kidnapped.


Personally, I think Jeffrey Dahmer was the scariest, although he was only a threat to Men and not Women since he was Gay.

Dahmer would convince guys to come over to his apartment so he could photograph them, and then he'd slip stuff into their drinks and when they'd pass out, he'd drill a hole in their heads and pour acid into the hole and then he'd have sex with their dead corpses, and then would chop them up, eat their body parts and put the leftovers in a big vat of acid so the bodies and bones would liquify (in a way to get rid of the evidence)

He was definitely the creepiest.

Oh wow thanks for the correction, I knew it was one or the other, too lazy to go back and link it, appreciate it....

Posted by Ms.Pisces
So why is this thread depressing/freaking all of you out?

Don't know what's more depressing, serial killers or the mentality of the society we live in. Either way, it's a no win situation for me, being a humanitarian and all.

Posted by ScorpSuperior
During the making of "Rosemary's Baby", Polanski consulted the head of the Church of Satan, who was both the voice of the "Devil" and a good friend of Manson's. Or, so I've read...

Actually that's a highly offensive rumour made up by the media right after Tate's murder. There were a lot of these nasty rumours created by the media at the time, and these rumours are appearently still alive. See how media fuc*ks us for live.

Posted by Prince_Pisces
i love the fake stuff though like Jason and Micheal Myers! LOL!! I love slasher movies 🙂

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Anyone seen "Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer"? Very dark, very realistic, very scary = highly recommended.

A cool website is crimelibrary.com, OFA. I read it all the time, and it seems like something you'd find interesting.

"p-angel cant relate to anyone but a murderer...interesting"



Just because I can relate to Charles Manson doesn't equal that he is the only person I can relate you ...

..... Manson isn't a murderer .... point right there with dward .. she thinks he's a murderer because this is what she's been told.


Interesting .....



MsP ... you also are relying on what you've been told.

Furthermore, if people do not have the capacity to sympathesize with him ... then this is of no consequence to me.

"how about you tell us what this so called truth and message is, instead of dedicating post after post talking about how ignorant people are"



If people had a desire to know the truth .. they would seek it.

If you had the desire to know the truth .. you would enlighten yourself ... instead, you would rather not know and then make a comment to suggest you do know ... and then when you realize the only thing you do actually know is what you've been told, you then come back and say such things to me, as if it's my fault your ignorant to this subject.



If you want to know, then find out .... if you don't want to know, then you can continue to pretend like you do .. either way, I know because I chose to find out.

I DO think it's a Scorp thing to be interested in serial killers. I have the Serial killer encyclopedia. *shrug* It made for an interesting read. My mom is a Scorp but she is really sweet and kinda spacey and you'd never guess she's into that stuff but I caught her reading crimelibrary once and she asked to borrow my book. LOL
I like to learn about them... what makes them tick. How did they get to the point of murdering multiple people and such.
Manson? He's a master manipulator and a danger to society. Ironically I saw a show on him today and he was ranting about his innocence and in the same breath warned the reporter that he'd retaliate against those who put him in prison. His eyes... they gave it away. Look at his eyes when he talks. He's blood thirsty.

okay I was reading an article about the Manson Family wanting to be freed....dont they realize if the death penalty wasnt overturned all their asses would be fried by now....