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i've only recently realised i am one of these people. i've also realised it's the reason for bad choices in relationships and that like attracts like and so i've attracted unavailable types who don't want to get too involved either. even the bloke i married, lol.

but now i've just met someone really nice. a crab. i think i'm starting to like him and in the same breath i can feel i'm getting my running shoes on for a hasty exit.

i'm taking things slowly but.....well now i LIKE him and that's sort of counteracting the slowing things down cos all sorts of things are whizzing through my mind about this man and whether i'm ready for a relationship or even if i WANT one.

and the other thing is that cos he's a crab and really sensitive, i don't wanna say to him that i need some space to think about all this cos i know he'll be thinking 'what's there to think about' and really, what IS there to think about?

oh i don't bloody know!!!!!

are there any other committment-phobes here who have overcome their fears successfully?
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i've also realised that i've been unconsciously testing him these last few weeks. i like him cos he hasn't let me down on anything he's promised. reliability has always been something i've craved in a man, lol....never got it though. i've unconsciously scored the crab highly on that attribute. but i wonder if too highly. i mean no-one wants to be with mr dependable cos that equals mr boring doesn't it? or DOES it?

cos i spose that you can TRUST someone who's dependable and being able to trust someone shouldn't be boring should it?

oh fuck. i'm in a bit of a tailspin on this one. never met a regular dude before, lol!!!
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only raising your hand half way there elle? you either is or you ain't. what's it gonna be!!

what do you mean he won't let me btw? i do worry that if he constantly wants to talk about 'us' it'll make me run sooner and faster but if i go into retreat, he might not let me back in.

ewwwww.....sicky, icky emotional stuff...i need an adrenalin shot...i'm going into amphylactic shock!!!
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Ughhh not a crab! :p
I would agree with most posts here. I too have thought about this and believe I am a commitment phobe, and not just with relationships. I blame my libra Venus and mars :/
I desire a relationship, especially more recently, but like you all have stated I am finding the mirror image of myself in men when it comes to relationships. The conclusion is nothing goes anywhere and I am still single lol.

I think for me part of it is fear of falling for the wrong person and another part is being too comfortable or used to being single to dive any deeper and give up my freedom.
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i've only recently realised i am one of these people. i've also realised it's the reason for bad choices in relationships and that like attracts like and so i've attracted unavailable types who don't want to get too involved either. even the bloke i married, lol.

but now i've just met someone really nice. a crab. i think i'm starting to like him and in the same breath i can feel i'm getting my running shoes on for a hasty exit.

i'm taking things slowly but.....well now i LIKE him and that's sort of counteracting the slowing things down cos all sorts of things are whizzing through my mind about this man and whether i'm ready for a relationship or even if i WANT one.

and the other thing is that cos he's a crab and really sensitive, i don't wanna say to him that i need some space to think about all this cos i know he'll be thinking 'what's there to think about' and really, what IS there to think about?

oh i don't bloody know!!!!!

are there any other committment-phobes here who have overcome their fears successfully?



Perhaps you could tell him this, instead of ambiguously saying "I need to think about all this" and letting him wonder over the worst possible scenario?
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i've also realised that i've been unconsciously testing him these last few weeks. i like him cos he hasn't let me down on anything he's promised. reliability has always been something i've craved in a man, lol....never got it though. i've unconsciously scored the crab highly on that attribute. but i wonder if too highly. i mean no-one wants to be with mr dependable cos that equals mr boring doesn't it? or DOES it?

cos i spose that you can TRUST someone who's dependable and being able to trust someone shouldn't be boring should it?

oh fuck. i'm in a bit of a tailspin on this one. never met a regular dude before, lol!!!



He's trying too hard and you're picking up on it. And you view that as debasing in a man. You see him as insecure, whether you admit it or not. It's naturally repellent. You view his child-like clinginess as adorable and somehow endearing. Reliability in man is one thing. Catering to your every need in order to compensate for his insecurities (because he's afraid to lose you) is something else entirely.

You're interested in his approach because it's novel. It's new to you. You like him. But do you *desire* him?

I think your raw desires are actually reserved for Fire signs. Your history bears this out clearly.

Are you still in his presence because you're afraid of hurting his feelings?

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the answer to those questions is........i don't know. i don't know the real reason i like him but i do kinda suspect it's for the wrong reasons hence the constant need to slow down and evaluate what's going on cos i don't want to go at his pace which i feel is already persuading him to feel things that he's mistaking for something more.

also, it's as if there's something in the back of my mind that is telling me that when he gets to know what i'm REALLY like, he'll have a dramatic change of heart LOL. i haven't been working these past few weeks and i'm a different person in that zone so i've told him he should wait until that time to see if he still feels the same.

which also buys me breathing space.
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R1g, the solution would be to just leave the whole relationship thing well enough alone for a while. But you alway seems to get tangled up with someone or other, and then you *invite* the entanglement because you love the attention. But it's the attention and validation that you seem to be craving, and not necessarily the other person.



you know seraph, this is a libra moon thing. we like to have people tagging along even if we're not into them romantically? it's not about attention either cos i prefer 'attention' in the form of admiring glances...no strings attached admiring glances are gooooood. i have no problem with confidence seraph.....my problem's ego 😉

it's almost as if i have this committee in my head and they're all debating whether it is OK to 'settle' with someone who has the attributes you know i SHOULD be looking for in a man but have never managed to find to date.

and that really is my quandary. is it better to be with someone with whom love grows over time or to be with someone who floors you completely within hours of meeting them. yeah it's usually fire signs with me and usually of the latter persuasion but look what's bloody happened going down that route!!!

the debate continues. i've got a headache.
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the answer to those questions is........i don't know. i don't know the real reason i like him but i do kinda suspect it's for the wrong reasons hence the constant need to slow down and evaluate what's going on cos i don't want to go at his pace which i feel is already persuading him to feel things that he's mistaking for something more.

also, it's as if there's something in the back of my mind that is telling me that when he gets to know what i'm REALLY like, he'll have a dramatic change of heart LOL. i haven't been working these past few weeks and i'm a different person in that zone so i've told him he should wait until that time to see if he still feels the same.

which also buys me breathing space.



So this is an issue of self-worth, then?

You feel uncomfortable with what might be the genuine article because you don't feel like you're worth it? "Once he sees the real me . . .", once the other shoe drops, etc. And then you feel you would have to deal with his disappointment, including your own? So it's much simpler to keep people at arms length, because the stakes are lower. There's less risk, and there's less emotional investment involved that could potentially go sour.

"which also buys me breathing space." Is it fair to say that that you prefer the distance and comfortable defenses of "breathing space" over the genuine risk of going all-in with someone?

Does any of this sound familiar?
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ffs seraph, i'm a grown woman! no this is NOT an issue of self-worth. it's too much bloody self-worth, lol!!! the best way to describe it is that i always have this feeling i'm looking over someone's shoulder to see if something better is out there. i like to keep my options open. my marriage was such a sham on both sides that it was easy to live like that and so consequently, i've never managed a monogamous relationship.

i have impossibly high standards and ridiculous mood swings sometimes that verge on irrational. the last 5 years, i've been living on my own and i'm sure it's made me a less 'angry' person...cos that's what i had issues with then.

when you commit to someone properly and don't just play at it like i've always done, then you are opening up your world to them. i've already told the crab that i want to be with someone wh
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with someone who i don't feel the need to keep secrets from cos that is a huge red flag that i'm not really into someone. so i'm just gonna take this day by day and see where it goes. no promises. i won't make them to him either cos i'm really no prepared to make false claims in the emotional department.

oh yeah....someone asked how much virgo i had in my chart earlier? the answer is ascendant, pluto and uranus.

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my brain doesn't cease to work when i like a man!! omg....cos i have a 'feeling' i'm suddenly brain dead—

it's more to do with sex. the bedroom is where i express myself and it's also the source of my confusion in most cases cos i can have no 'feeling' for the man involved but cos i like to indulge my sensuous side, the buzzy feeling of great sex...the deep eye contact...caressing and kissing....it's all so up close and personal that for those moments i can feel like i'm falling for someone when i'm not. that's the reason i didn't want to jump into bed with the crab too soon but then it's not really made any difference cos i still wound up more invested after the event than i was before.....but i think it's endorphins more than real 'feeling'.
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Ok I really *need* a deeper Scorp perspective on this. I feel I'm digging *so* close to where I need to, but I keep missing it by a few inches.




Hate to break the news to you, kitty, but you ain't never ever going to understand a scorpion.
Your pride won't let you.
Oh, be careful about how deep you go because the moment you touch the ocean, particularly one in a storm,
your fire will be snuffed out. And another thing.... Antares is far greater than the Sun so don't be so proud
of your "brightness".

good day.


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He's trying too hard and you're picking up on it. And you view that as debasing in a man. You see him as insecure, whether you admit it or not. It's naturally repellent. You view his child-like clinginess as adorable and somehow endearing. Reliability in man is one thing. Catering to your every need in order to compensate for his insecurities (because he's afraid to lose you) is something else entirely.
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I might have missed it but I can't find anything that the R1g's has said to support these assumptions. You know absolutely nothing about this person and how he is treating her yet you allowed yourself to influence R1g's opinion of him. That's the most elegant way of saying that what you said propaganda based on your own personal opinion of cancer men, specifically when in relationships with scorpio women. And you should go fuck yourself.

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To R1g"

You're not a commitment phobe. You're just too scared of getting hurt. You're waiting and even hoping that this person is a safe investment for you. There is no such thing as a safe investment in love. You're worried that your risk analysis skills are not good enough for decisions of this seriousness which is why you're all over the place when it comes to this relationship, they are good enough. This thread shows that you are thinking seriously about the risks and aware of them and that's good enough for anyone.

Contrary to what this thread suggests, there aren't that many commitment-phobes in this thread or in the real world. Just people who are too scared to be happy.

No risk = No return. It's as simple as that.

This is not a case of libra moon or libra mars or libra whatever it is. It's a case of you not wanting to get hurt. Take it slow, don't plan things.. see where life takes you.
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So you can read, excellent.

Can you direct me to the part she mentioned his "child-like clinginess" ?

And btw, its not insecurity when there is a third person in the picture, just rational thinking.

But most importantly, what information has she provided to imply that his "catering to her every needs" is a form of compensation for anything ? How did you, seraph, know it is not just him being him ?

+ Go fuck yourself.
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To R1g"

You're not a commitment phobe. You're just too scared of getting hurt. You're waiting and even hoping that this person is a safe investment for you. There is no such thing as a safe investment in love. You're worried that your risk analysis skills are not good enough for decisions of this seriousness which is why you're all over the place when it comes to this relationship, they are good enough. This thread shows that you are thinking seriously about the risks and aware of them and that's good enough for anyone.

Contrary to what this thread suggests, there aren't that many commitment-phobes in this thread or in the real world. Just people who are too scared to be happy.

No risk = No return. It's as simple as that.

This is not a case of libra moon or libra mars or libra whatever it is. It's a case of you not wanting to get hurt. Take it slow, don't plan things.. see where life takes you.



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and the Go Fuck Yourself parts as well 🙂
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Wow, why being so nasty to seraph? I don't get it? I mean it's nice that you guys are tight with your fellow crabs but woah, put those pincers away!



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I can't speak for Boommy but I can tell you why.. and I won't even kill you after.

It's not about seraph for me.. really know offense to the Lion.. who is roaring and trying to keep a Lioness under paw... 😉 Scorpions are not fragile little souls. They get their feelings hurt of course but they can converse in a more blunt direct manner and hear through that..

It is amazing refreshing.. and something I really admire about them. *wretched little bugs* so... my comment was directed to R1g..

you can stoop to my level and be unsavory with me too if you like.. but I warn you I'll probably like it
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Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Scorpio 9.42 Asc Virgo 16.50
Moon Libra 13.51 II Libra 9.02
Mercury Scorpio 20.21 III Scorpio 7.35
Venus Libra 2.04 IV Sagittarius 12.45
Mars Leo 27.51 V Capricorn 19.46
Jupiter Taurus 22.34 R VI Aquarius 21.22
Saturn Aquarius28.21 VII Pisces 16.50
Uranus Virgo 13.48 VIII Aries 9.02
Neptune Scorpio 17.17 IX Taurus 7.35
Pluto Virgo 15.47 MH Gemini 12.45
Lilith Cap 2.33 XI Cancer 19.46
Asc nodeGemini 23.38 XII Leo 21.22
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anyway, crab doesn't know his birth time but here's his chart minus ascendant:

sun cancer
moon scorpio
mercury gemini
venus gemini
mars virgo
jupiter aries
saturn aquarius
uranus virgo
neptune scorpio
pluto virgo

first thing i see? A FUCKING SCORPIO MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!! i am SO doomed. SO fucking doomed cos those suckers never let you go once your in their clutches, lol!

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and goes on the defensive to the point of attacking someone else, their opinion becomes less desirable because I then feel they are projecting and their opinion becomes less about me and more about them.

....and the heavens know if something becomes less about me......... 😛



haha elle! like that Aries Moon has never attacked or been on the defensive... lol!! you kill me 😄
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wooooah! i'm not taking another siesta cos something always goes down while i'm snoozin' lol.

seraph's being very astute i have to say and he does 'know' me pretty well to be fair. i like all opinions...even if they're opposite and that's mostly cos i'm very opinionated and yet at the same time, i've learned that i'm not always right! yeah, i was shocked too!! i'm never wrong mind you, lol.

but really the truth is that i can be very narrow minded and i don't think that's a good trait which is why i think it's good to come to somewhere like dxp and see what other points of view are like.

it's not about not being able to think for myself....it just sharpens my perspective to hear what others have to say.

and i am NEVER offended so you can call me what you like 😄

but don't be mean to seraph 😢

anyway. my son arrived from the UK today and he will be meeting the crab in a few days. he met the leo fuckwit and within seconds identified him as such and he already doesn't hold out much hope for the crab. my son's 17 and a virgo with leo rising. my daughter (aries sun/scorp rising) asked me if i would dump the crab if dan didn't like him. i said 'no' without thinking cos i won't be dictated to like that...sure as hell had no choice who their current stepmother is!!

i think the crab deserves a chance and i owe myself the chance to be happy with someone and the only way i'll find out if i can be happy with someone is to dip my toe in the water and give it a whirl.

so that's what i'm doing.
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Sun Conjunction Neptune
Moon Trine Midheaven
Mercury Opposition Jupiter
Mercury Conjunction Neptune
Mercury Sextile Ascendant
Mars Square Jupiter
Mars Opposition Saturn
Jupiter Square Saturn
Jupiter Opposition Neptune
Jupiter Trine Pluto
Jupiter Trine Ascendant
Uranus Sextile Neptune
Uranus Conjunction Pluto
Uranus Conjunction Ascendant
Uranus Square Midheaven
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Neptune Sextile Ascendant
Pluto Conjunction Ascendant
Pluto Square Midheaven
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thank you seraph!! it's particularly spot-on what you say about my independence. i've worked since i was 13 cos of that need to be self-sufficient and consequently, i really don't 'need' anyone but i would still 'like' someone.

i saw the crab's scorp moon in all its radiance tonight as he performed a spanish inquisition on his capricorn friend who he accused of unwittingly flirting with me. i thought he was joking at first but he was deadly serious...saying that this guy was schmoozing me so that if we broke up, he would already have his foot in the door.

i told him i found it all a bit offensive really as he was assuming that i would obviously fall for this schmooze from the cappy. anyhow, the crab wouldn't let it drop and so i decided to call it a night and took them home (they're neighbours) and they we're still arguing the toss about whether he was flirting with me or not as they walked back to their apartments, lol!!

i get the impression the crab is marking his territory but i don't like it much.

i think the worst thing about the idea of relationships for me is losing that individuality you were talking about seraph. that's why i've always had a secretive side when i've been in relationships before...ridiculously so when i was married. sharing my life with someone doesn't come naturally at all.
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how interesting!

i wonder if i'm just not cut out for living with someone especially after living on my own albeit with the kids for so long and that's what i'm avoiding by getting too close to anyone. it's so nice when you are still working towards your goals and there's no-one there to stop you or question you or demand time of you. it sounds selfish but i like to keep moving in life...i like having my projects which i'm passionate about and when one's completed, i've got another one already lined up or i'll look for the next thing to pour myself into. having others around can stagnate a creative mind.
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Venus unaspected: interpretation

Venus is seldom unaspected in a chart since she is never very far from the Sun and Mercury.

Venus unaspected shows alternating outbursts of emotions and both material and sensual desires. Venus' charm and kindness are still strong, but owing to her uncontrolled characteristics, some degree of indolence or passivity sometimes prevents the person from achieving a very active or conquering life.

The person may seem too "quiet". In the long run, these sentimental fluctuations, or this vulnerability to material desires may also lead to some degree of introversion, and the person ends up distrusting himself as well as the desires, and feelings that recklessly take him too far too quickly.
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LOL @ you people!!!

ellybean: yeah, that would be cool thanks!!

seraph: you're doing a lot of rolling over there...you want your tummy tickled or something?

nightbynight: oh yeah!! the running after them when they've run off already! i can so identify with that. that's the point where i suddenly decide that i like 'em, lol...totally fucked up. i've wasted so much emotional energy that way over the last year and it's made me even more wary of getting involved this time round!!