Confrontational Scorp Woman

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by Neptunemoon on Thursday, September 5, 2013 and has 50 replies.
What would cause you to start an argument out of nowhere? Messaged a Scorp sun, mercury, mars, pluto to check in and see how she was doing. It was awhile since we last spoken. I was the one who broke the ice and reached out to her. Regular conversation until she starts arguing about something irrelevant (happened to be a field I work in) and was blatantly false in her position. I didn't brush this one off and explained to her why she was wrong. To which I didn't get a response and then called her vain. Again no response. The obvious answer would be that she is upset at me for something else. Thing is she is ALWAYS mad at me for something. I know why but its never warranted. Is this one worth my time or a lost cause?? Because starting now, she will be receiving no more messages or even replies from me.
I just wanted to get some perspective on this matter to further understand what is going on. If it helps, she has a Leo moon and libra Venus as well. I know that moon signs tend to be the dominant signs in women and I think that Leo energy may be the problem. I don't understand it nor like it. I don't like the negative traits of Scorpio women but I think many times the positive can outweigh the negative. Plus I understand Scorpio energy.
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Your personal response on how you would feel is exactly why me and this girl would never work. You can dish it but you can't take it. It's OK to be selfish, rude, whatever words that are similar to a B****, however when you are called out on it you claim to not have meant it. Everyone is responsible for their words and actions. The "I can come off as.... even when I'm not" argument really makes no sense. Your character and reputation is reflected by your actions and words which other people perceive. If you come off as confrontational, then you are being confrontational. Sounds more like a character flaw than a plausible excuse. To characterize me as "kind of a jerk" is completely off base, especially considering the only information available for you to make that assumption is the little I have given you. Typical scorp trait I guess. The need to sting and then think. And of course any apology would be allowing yourself to be too vulnerable. This cycle only leads to the destruction of a relationship, which in the end gives the scorp what it selfishly needs: control. I guess the conclusion I have come up with is that I prefer more evolved signs than a primitive Scorpion. Disagree? Prove me wrong.
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Posted by Neptunemoon
and explained to her why she was wrong



You killed yourself.
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LOL at this thread. This perfectly exemplifies the vindictive, spiteful nature that immature, ignorant Scorpios posses. Especially those of the female gender. Nuerotoxin can go back to listening to Green Day. One comes in with an objective post breaking down the logic (or lack thereof) of a reply taking shots at my character based off assumptions made with little to no information available.
Bitter much? In order for me to be angry I would have to care. In order for me to care, I would have to think of you highly and respect, rather than this surge of indifference that I am suddenly feeling for everyone posting on this thread.
To the troll with the hideous AVI. It's easy to call a guy an a**hole without properly assessing the situation. Bet that was the go to move growing up? Didn't get enough guy attention? I think it's in your best interest if you calm that little fire heart of yours and go back to crying on the couch watching HBO reruns before you go back into the real world. Don't forget the ice cream, looks like that's a favorite.
To anyone else that have hurled insults at me, look this girl has told me off. Give me a break. I've know her well and they always come running back to the man.
Virgo, Capricorn??? LOL
Looks like I was right. Love to dish it but can't take it. Please write something of substance or go back to hiding behind your rock.
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@Impulsiv
That's what happened. SHE asked me a question about the field I'm an expert in then when I gave an answer she told me I'm wrong. Of course it had nothing to do with the conversation but the fact that she was mad at me for something else. I called her out on her shit by calling her vain (something she admitted previously that she was) and now we both are pissed at each other.
No to being a Leo. Zodiac-predicting abilities don't come to everyone. Perhaps a Pisces moon would help
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"She's already over me" HAHAHAH
One thing that I know for a fact is that she's not. I can assure you that this one will come running back. How do I know? Because she has for years. T
Hidden agenda? Again, checking in on someone with good intentions only to be greeted by someone wanting to argue is not a hidden agenda. She had to control the conversation by being confrontational when I just wanted to see how she was doing.
This is why we don't work. I'm open and upfront with how I feel and my behavior as well as hers. While she expects me to play her games. Sorry baby, things don't work out like that. I've moved on from her plenty of times and will continue to do so if she acts like this. She can't express how she feels positively, she only can be jealous and vindictive because things haven't worked out. Scorps can't put their cards down, in the open. Guess what, you gotta pay to play
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Ms Ellie. You're wrong. Don't have a spec of Leo in me. Looks like you really want me to be. We can roll play ill be the lion. Grr
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To everyone guessing my natal chart. I'm everything you've ever wanted and more. I think that sums it up
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Hmmm maybe I'm that dude. Or maybe I called you that because your username looks like Ellie. Things to ponder at night o_O
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I like the educated guesses. A sharp turn from the ignorance I encountered early in the thread. Maybe some of you aren't that bad after all smile But relationship advice? Still pathetic.
If I told you my placements that would take the fun away...
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@Nemisis
Seems to me more like a Scorp thing, not letting go of past grudges. When any sign for that matter tries to reconcile only to encounter a vengeful scorp, it's like WTF dude. You're never going to change. Especially when they assume they are the only one that was hurt in the relationship. Like their need to one up every slight they experienced had no effect on their partner. That's why I say they are selfish. Add in the mix a scorp not able to express their feelings, as many of them are, and you have one unhappy partner that has only thing to say. Go F yourself
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@irristable
How about a situation in which a Scorp played you and led you on (later admitted it was because of HER emotional trust issues/depression and that she liked me too much and was too scared I would hurt her). But the Scorp is the one that holds the grudge. And when we get close she always backs off. And when I move on she always comes back. And when I have a new girlfriend who I won't give up because I think this Scorp is manipulating me and isn't for real, she acts like I stabbed a dagger in her heart.
I can't win.
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@nemesis
That is verbatim what is happening here. Except whenever we have "talked" in the past it's me being HONEST about how I feel and her not lying but not being truthful and looking at me like I'm crazy. Oh and then telling me she's found someone else.
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My problem has no solution. If I told her how I felt I know she would not react well. And I really don't know what I would apologize for. She calls me an a**hole all the time. But is that something to apologize for? The only time I acted like that was when she played me and I freaked the F out
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She played me. More then once actually.
But every time she pushed me away I did sleep with someone. More than one lol. But I thought it was fair because she did the same. And meaningless sex used to help me but now it doesn't
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What point where you trying to make with your anecdote
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What point are you trying to make with your anecdote?
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I'm on my phone, excuse the grammar
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Posted by Neptunemoon
SHE asked me a question about the field I'm an expert in then when I gave an answer she told me I'm wrong.


Posted by Neptunemoon
Plus I understand Scorpio energy.

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*bump head on the table*
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To be honest, since this conversation is getting heavier (and I'm on an anonymous screen name :p ), I never felt like she liked me as much as I liked her. In fact she scared the shit out of me because I liked her so much. I have been with a lot of girls since we were involved but I always wanted HER. Just her. And I felt like that she saw me as an option. And then she played me on multiple occasions. And always acted like I wasn't good enough. And even though, to be perfectly honest I know all her friends knew she was crazy about me and that I could get mostly any girl I wanted, I honestly felt like she didn't think I was good enough. And now were at this point where we both resent each other but we still can't communicate anything at all
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To be honest, since this conversation is getting heavier (and I'm on an anonymous screen name :p ), I never felt like she liked me as much as I liked her. In fact she scared the shit out of me because I liked her so much. I have been with a lot of girls since we were involved but I always wanted HER. Just her. And I felt like that she saw me as an option. And then she played me on multiple occasions. And always acted like I wasn't good enough. And even though, to be perfectly honest I know all her friends knew she was crazy about me and that I could get mostly any girl I wanted, I honestly felt like she didn't think I was good enough. And now were at this point where we both resent each other but we still can't communicate anything at all
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Why let go if both parties can't and don't want to let go?
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Posted by MellyMel909
...Are you SURE you're not OwlPharaoh...?


stop, stop, stop
out of caps, ok?
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Who caused it? Depends on why you broke up? In my situation I was played and then I was made out as the bad guy when I called her out on her character and the fact that she was going guy to guy and that I couldn't respect her. Which she says is the same as calling her a slut.
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That's her fault then. Testing someone because you supposedly like them, while at the same time sleeping with somebody else? Sounds like wanting to have your cake and eating it too? Especially doing that to a guy in a college environment who has girls around him that want him.
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You told him he wasn't good enough? Of course he's gonna go and bang some other chicks. Especially if that is a habit for him and getting girls for him is easy. What you women do not understand is that guys handle rejection differently. When a girl takes a shit on our ego we go and bang two more girls and then were good to go. Every guy at some point has a heartless bitch that has broken there heart when they didn't do anything wrong. And when a guy has genuine intentions with a girl beyond sex, actually liking her for HER, and she rejects him, he's instantly thinking F that she's another women that doesn't know what she wants that I can't trust. These "trusting" games women play are just sad justifications for protecting their own feelings while screwing over the guy who has genuine feelings
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If it helps I texted her and said I didn't mean to insult you if you took it like that. She responded hahaha I forgot to respond
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Posted by Neptunemoon
Because starting now, she will be receiving no more messages or even replies from me.


already suugest that this:
Posted by Neptunemoon
Is this one worth my time or a lost cause??
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doesn't matter because you've already made up your mind.
So what exactly do you want insight on? If you approach a situation with an attitude and a closed mind, which the OP seems to indicate, there is no need for a discussion. I personally wouldn't get into it with you either.
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@Phoenixrising
It's easy to pick apart somebody's words when taking them out of context. If you read my next statements made in that post I gave reason to why and what I was feeling. Anywho I have realized its a lost cause. I feel like I will be much happier without her in my life. In fact, I know I will. I just don't know what I will do when she tries to come back to me when she's back in the country. I guess I will just have to ignore her for both of our best interests.
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I never played games and I will admit I have an ego. Which is perfecly reasonable for any confident person. I have expectations and standards for how I conduct myself as well as others. Scorpio games in order for her to figure her shit out ruined everything because it made me unable to pursue the relationship. And in the end I don't think I can get past resenting her, especially if she will never come clean with her feelings and apologize for what she's done to me. For the record, I have apologized. She has never. I guess she and her friends can keep on rationalizing why the relationship failed by calling me a jerk, when it was because of HER emotional issues. She is depressed and takes anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds as well as having daddy issues. I was always there for her but I guess I couldn't clean up that mess
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Posted by MellyMel909
He sounds like an older OwlPharaoh to me...


.....No, I'm picking up a different type of energy. He writes like another member, deletes a lot, has a similar attitude and similar issue with women, but tries to mask it.
I'm done here.
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Lol @ Pheonix. I'm new to this site
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Posted by Neptunemoon
@Phoenixrising
It's easy to pick apart somebody's words when taking them out of context. If you read my next statements made in that post I gave reason to why and what I was feeling. Anywho I have realized its a lost cause. I feel like I will be much happier without her in my life. In fact, I know I will. I just don't know what I will do when she tries to come back to me when she's back in the country. I guess I will just have to ignore her for both of our best interests.


Okay, so problem solved right?
...this is my issue with your thread, it seems like you didn't come here for answers to understand her, why "she is so confrontational" or angry, but to belittle Scorpio women because she bruised your ego(?). She has clearly had some type of impact on you despite the fact that you are now writing that you "will be much happier without her", otherwise you wouldn't be here, so what is this all about honestly? If I am wrong, I can accept that. The OP simply doesn't read that way.
I have similar placements as your lady and I know I have my issues. I don't mind being called on them. My response to you will be based how you've approached me about it though. Simple.
So cut the sh*t for a sec. Did you want to figure out how to address this with her, so you can move past this or just rant about how "less than" Scorpio women are?
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Posted by Neptunemoon
Lol @ Pheonix. I'm new to this site


Cool, welcome and it's Phoenix .
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Okay, I've read your post and the things that I noticed, which was pointed out by a few people in different ways is that there are a lot of things that you aren't taking responsibility for. You keep talking about how this woman "played you", but how are you defining this term?
To me, being played means someone goes into a relationship with the intention of making the other person develop feelings, knowing they never will in an effort to get something from them (e.g. sex, material items, etc...).
Posted by Neptunemoon
I never felt like she liked me as much as I liked her. In fact she scared the shit out of me because I liked her so much. I have been with a lot of girls since we were involved but I always wanted HER. Just her. And I felt like that she saw me as an option....I could get mostly any girl I wanted, I honestly felt like she didn't think I was good enough.



^^^Not having your feelings reciprocated is not the same as "being played". You were expecting her to express her feelings as intensely as you were feeling and when she didn't, you went into overdrive to repair your ego and began to play games and offended her. I'm not sure about her role in this little dance you two have going on, but I think the ladies here made good points and gave you good insight into why she was responding to you and your choices the way that she did. Does she have some stuff to own, yes--but there is always three sides to a story and we don't have her side or the actual truth. Just your "truth".
Looks like neither of you will be able to move past this because you both want the other to own their stuff and neither of you seem to want to do that. This relationship does not seem to be worth swallowing your pride.
Now I'm off....
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I guess the question is, should I keep trying with a girl I really like even though I'm unhappy the current situation as well as past instances?
At what point is a line drawn?
I can't see her dropping it as we have never actually tried dating. I believe that she wants to at some point. I think I'm going to give it space and time. If it happens, so be it. If life takes us other directions then all for the better.
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First off, this whole thread has made my night. Thank you.
^ Second off, no. You said you moved on from her multiple times? Try once and final. Step away, let things drop. It doesn't sound like you two have the greatest chemistry, astrologically or not. Especially if you get the feeling she isn't that into you. If you want to save your time and sanity, (and maybe even hers) back off of it. Sounds like a minefield.
And never, ever enter the relationship in negativity. If neither of you can forgive or mutually respect, it's not worth it.
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Posted by Neptunemoon
At what point is a line drawn?

When you change the way you think about her.
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You're a Cancer!
Yes, this Scorpio will come back but believe the stinger ladies when they say it will never be the same. or, it will never be how you envisioned it could have been. Big difference. There's a lot of potential between Cancer & Scorpio but if that small window of a possible great relationship is missed... forget about it.
I dated a Scorpio when I was very young. I knew nothing about Scorpio energy at that time (even though I'm filled with it) and ended things VERY BADLY by disappearing without a trace. I met up with him years later and found out he had dated a series of women who looked very, very similar to me. There were linger feelings there so I thought we could give it a go again and he agreed... then he stung me.
I deserved it, I admit it was karmic for my past action. He told me to never contact him again. I'm a Cancer, so if you reject me, I'm gone and I never contacted him again. That was years ago and he still keeps the occasional tab on me. Probably thinks I don't know, but I hear about it.
So if you keep texting/calling doing the Cancerian "drop-in" with this Scorpio girl, she will continue to act the same way towards you. In her mind, whether you agree or not, you wronged her and it will never be forgotten. Similar to a Cancer, maybe we'll forgive but never forget.
Both signs will also continue to punish each other in different ways. Sleep with others when pissed off, take shots at career, insult intelligence etc.
Will it ever end... i doubt it. Is it worth it... depends on the kind of/how much pain you enjoy or will admit to enjoying. Tongue


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Now that I've been exposed... smile
Yeah I'm a cancer. But I think that's just the tip of the iceberg as far as relationship dynamics go with a scorp. I think the intense attraction in the past towards scorps and vice versa has to do with my Taurus rising. I'm pretty convinced that that's the case even more so than a Taurus sun sign, especially since I feel like its one if not the most influential of my signs. And what makes me fall hard for them is my Pisces moon. Moon trine sun aspects in my experience have always led to strong bonds at least for the moon person lol.
I will have to say that some of those guesses were right on.
Taurus asc
Cancer sun
Pisces moon
Cancer merc
Gemini Venus
Virgo mars
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Posted by Neptunemoon
I guess the question is, should I keep trying with a girl I really like even though I'm unhappy the current situation as well as past instances?


Why would you want to stay in an unhappy situation? Really that is up to you to decide. You need to own and commit to your decision though and asking us if you should is really half ass-ing it imo. As well, if you plan to keep trying, but plan to go into it with the same attitude and negative thoughts about her why bother? It's just going to be more of the same. No?
Posted by Neptunemoon

At what point is a line drawn?


That's only something you can answer.
Posted by Neptunemoon

I can't see her dropping it as we have never actually tried dating. I believe that she wants to at some point.
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You may not believe this because she occasionally shares your bed, but I think she has dropped it. She's not committed to this thing you are doing. You already know this. Wasn't that why you began sleeping with other women, because she treated you like an option? When we are in it, we won't make you feel this way. Ever. Hard shell or not, a Scorp will always make you feel like the most important person in the world to him/her--if you are.
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P.S. I am not suggesting she does not have to change/let go/adjust as well, but she's not here asking for advise.
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And that's why I'm going to give it up. I agree that if I was important to her she would treat me really well. Because that's how it was when we first met. And since we had one little fight it hasn't been the same no matter what I've done. Pretty simple I guess, I always thought that all this time she was just trying to make me suffer because she was so devastated the first time we "fought"
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Very much sadistic
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Posted by Neptunemoon
I agree that if I was important to her she would treat me really well. Because that's how it was when we first met. And since we had one little fight it hasn't been the same no matter what I've done. Pretty simple I guess, I always thought that all this time she was just trying to make me suffer because she was so devastated the first time we "fought"


She may very well have been devastated. What is "little" to others is a big deal to a water sign, you already know this. I think water signs can be so focused on protecting their own feelings that they forget how much things affect other water signs. Scorps are just as sensitive as Crab are, just expressed differently. If she genuinely liked you and things were good, the sting of the fight may have hit her even more than you think. If it wasn't addressed adequately (acknowledged, discussed and attempts made to change it), she is holding onto that for sure. Problem is, every time you do something that triggers that hurt it feels just as raw as the first fight and only adds fuel to the fire.
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BTW, I think some people take this whole Scorp revenge thing a little too far. I am not suggesting that there aren't some crazies born between Oct 23 and Nov 21 that go out of their way to seek revenge, but sometimes people misinterpret a need to protect ourselves from further hurt and pain with trying to hurt you.
"Oh my god, he iced me out"....."She just shut down on me"
Do you not do the same(withdraw, shut down) when you're hurt? Scorps sting (to avoid further "attack" aka pain) or withdraw. Again, same issue, just looks different.
I think water signs only really work when they understand that they express the same emotions differently.
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arrogant. pointing fingers. acting like someone HAS to talk to you.
should've went about your business. if she wasnt talking to you, why are you starting things with her? she probably wasnt speaking to you because she was mad.
and you have nerve to ask are scorp women confrontational... smdh. NOTHING we do is ever for NOTHING.
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and no scorp woman is 'devastated' because of a petty fight. sounds like you wished she was though. once we fight, we weigh in our minds to see if you're worth the fight and continuing relationship - be it friendship or more - if you aren't, consider yourself ignored. we have better things to do.
if you are, we'll come around and stick with you. obviously she decided she had better things to do, probably with better people.
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no thanks. i like sasori. my favorite movie. my tribute. and plus sasori is japanese for scorpion, my sign. im currently doing business in japanese.
not to mention, i got sick of stinger baby. shit, we scorps are all stingers. and im too damn old to be calling myself baby. its original enough for me. im sticking with it.
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i made a note so that everyone knows it's me. im not trying to troll boards or anything. it's still me under a new name.
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