How to get a scorpio moon guy open up?

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Posted by anna1
So I am in a relationship with this guy (moon and mars both in scorpio) we are in a committed relationship and planning to get married in a near future. He tells me all the time that he loves me and if we get into a fight I am the one who starts the fight and he is the one to finish it. He makes serious efforts all the time to keep me with him. But still after two years his walls are still there he never ever shares his feeling or secrets with me. I know he is very deep but still wondering about his real intentions after two year of relationship
My question is that how can I get him open up about his feelings and real intentions. What should I do to lower his guards?

I think the harder you try to get him to open up, the harder he will resist in opening up.
Why do you think he has other intentions if he had already stayed with you for 2 years and tells you that he loves you?

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Posted by fishinamaize
also, maybe stop starting fights with him. that'll go a long way.

Posted by mariathesag

What do you want to know anyway.
If you are wondering if he hides dark thoughts, harsh and cruel feelings and less than noble intentions.. then, most likely he does.

Posted by anna1
I know he is very deep but still wondering about his real intentions after two year of relationship...

Posted by anna1
So I am in a relationship with this guy...we are in a committed relationship and planning to get married in a near future...

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Posted by anna1
I read somewhere that scorpio reveals secrets on "Need to know" basis. So I put questions now and then but he never seem to reaveal all that he is holding inside

Posted by anna1
He's having Sun, Mercury and Venus in Capricorn...

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Posted by mariathesag

Posted by anna1

Posted by mariathesag

What do you want to know anyway.
If you are wondering if he hides dark thoughts, harsh and cruel feelings and less than noble intentions.. then, most likely he does.

I just want to know whether he's ever going to reveal such deeps secrets in front of me? If so. HOW

anna1, maybe i'm missing something here or I just don't understand you, but what is the significance of him revealing himself to you?

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Posted by Rambunctious76

Posted by CluelessCancer

cause he doesn't trust me not to give him advice or use his information against him. lol he's right. cause i use anyting i learn to ask him even more questions and try to control him.

^^THIS is one reason why you don't push us to reveal ourselves.
Be content that he says he loves you. When we love, we love 110% .
Just don't force us to show all of ourselves to you, because that would mean being totally at your mercy.

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Posted by starlover

Posted by TokerX

Posted by starlover
I was in relationships with three Scorp Moon men ~ they were all closed off and secretive. One of them was a secret gambler and we lost a lot of money...he was addicted to slot machines. He was also very moody
The other two were too close to their mothers and also lied to them

Probably nothing to do with being a Scorp Moon. I've never gambled in my life and I'm certainly not close to my mother, hardly speak to her (so no lying either).
And we're closed off and secretive? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

We are talking about emotional closing down/not opening up ~ The moon has everything to do with that in astrology (go read about it on any astro website). Scorpio is not happy in the moon placement...
What are you talking about with the pot thing?

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Posted by Rambunctious76
@TokerX : Not all Scorp suns are as closed off and secretive as Moon Scorps - if anything, I think us Moon Scorps take the cake when it comes to closing people off emotionally and shutting ourselves in for fear of getting hurt. We can be emotionally more extreme than Scorp suns.

Not all to sure about that. I always start out very open (yes I'm that naive) and I will only close off if you give me a reason to.
I'm even so open that people can read emotions in things I write apathically. Lol.
Oh and my psychologist (yes I'm actually seeing one to keep those emotions at bay) already had me figured out after 1 hour of talking.

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Posted by TokerX

Posted by Rambunctious76
@TokerX : Not all Scorp suns are as closed off and secretive as Moon Scorps - if anything, I think us Moon Scorps take the cake when it comes to closing people off emotionally and shutting ourselves in for fear of getting hurt. We can be emotionally more extreme than Scorp suns.

Not all to sure about that. I always start out very open (yes I'm that naive) and I will only close off if you give me a reason to.
I'm even so open that people can read emotions in things I write apathically. Lol.

I am the opposite. I start off all closed up and shit, and will only open up IF the person trying to reach out doesn't give me bad vibes. Or piss me off royally.
And revenge? I dish it out when you think my back is turned and I don't care.

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Posted by Noreallynow

Posted by TokerX

Posted by Rambunctious76
@TokerX : Not all Scorp suns are as closed off and secretive as Moon Scorps - if anything, I think us Moon Scorps take the cake when it comes to closing people off emotionally and shutting ourselves in for fear of getting hurt. We can be emotionally more extreme than Scorp suns.

Not all to sure about that. I always start out very open (yes I'm that naive) and I will only close off if you give me a reason to.
I'm even so open that people can read emotions in things I write apathically. Lol.
Oh and my psychologist (yes I'm actually seeing one to keep those emotions at bay) already had me figured out after 1 hour of talking.

Maybe you starting out very open, has something to do with your gemini sun?

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Posted by Rambunctious76

Posted by CluelessCancer

cause he doesn't trust me not to give him advice or use his information against him. lol he's right. cause i use anyting i learn to ask him even more questions and try to control him.

^^THIS is one reason why you don't push us to reveal ourselves.
Be content that he says he loves you. When we love, we love 110% .
Just don't force us to show all of ourselves to you, because that would mean being totally at your mercy.

I was speaking to my Pisces/Cancer moon friend last night on the phone and we were talking about how I don't share with anyone and he is one of the few I have let in my close circle of trust. He has been put to the test to see if he would ever use anything I said to hurt me in a malicious way. He has NEVER, so I can tell him almost anything.
If they or he feels that you will use anything when angry against him he will NOT open up. I would, maybe, tell him that you feel he is guarded. Communication isn't a bad thing.... I married a Moon in Scorpio man, he was th same way. He and I shared too much of the same energy it's not a good thing. hahaha
Do you pick fights with him to make him fight for you?

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Posted by Rambunctious76
@TokerX : Not all Scorp suns are as closed off and secretive as Moon Scorps - if anything, I think us Moon Scorps take the cake when it comes to closing people off emotionally and shutting ourselves in for fear of getting hurt. We can be emotionally more extreme than Scorp suns.

Not all to sure about that. I always start out very open (yes I'm that naive) and I will only close off if you give me a reason to.
I'm even so open that people can read emotions in things I write apathically. Lol.
Oh and my psychologist (yes I'm actually seeing one to keep those emotions at bay) already had me figured out after 1 hour of talking.

Maybe you starting out very open, has something to do with your gemini sun?

Gem Sun, here, and I don't open up to anyone like that in the beginning. Not happening!!

And Mercury is in...?

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Posted by anna1
Well I admit that I am a little bit insecure I was not insecure in the beginning of our relationship it has something to do with his behavior. He lies to me about little things he even lied about his mother tongue, his age and the list goes on and on. he backbited me to his family he also a gambler which I accidently came to know. Every once in a while I come to know some kind of bitter truth about him after every month or so. I am Feeling emotionally drained

Posted by IllaLupus
Did you say he had mars in scorp too?
I was with someone for almost 2 years I can tell you truthfully.. He didn't really know me, it was surface level 100% . Trust is what will let you in, but that's hard to earn and as a lunar scorp even thinking about trusting someone makes me shudder..

Posted by Rambunctious76

small eccentricities.

Lol these small eccentricities are not actually small for others. Great information though

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Posted by Rambunctious76

I was speaking to my Pisces/Cancer moon friend last night on the phone and we were talking about how I don't share with anyone and he is one of the few I have let in my close circle of trust. He has been put to the test to see if he would ever use anything I said to hurt me in a malicious way. He has NEVER, so I can tell him almost anything.
If they or he feels that you will use anything when angry against him he will NOT open up. I would, maybe, tell him that you feel he is guarded. Communication isn't a bad thing.... I married a Moon in Scorpio man, he was the same way. He and I shared too much of the same energy it's not a good thing. hahaha

When I realise someone is using something against me, I tend to gradually shut them out from my life. I've done this to several people, including my immediate family members.
The only people I truly trust are the forgetful ones (hahaha) or the ones who don't have a problem with my small eccentricities.

Posted by Nemesis

Posted by anna1
But still I love him alot. Cannot even think about a breakup.

whenever i have felt "forced" to open up - the oyster effect sets in. there are things i will not share - not because i don??t trust or love - but because that person is way better off not knowing.

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Posted by StarMooney

Posted by anna1
Well I admit that I am a little bit insecure I was not insecure in the beginning of our relationship it has something to do with his behavior. He lies to me about little things he even lied about his mother tongue, his age and the list goes on and on. he backbited me to his family he also a gambler which I accidently came to know. Every once in a while I come to know some kind of bitter truth about him after every month or so. I am Feeling emotionally drained

This. You get him to open up by not being so judgmental about his truths and be more secure with yourself. Maybe your insecurities keep him from telling you the truth because maybe he thinks you are too insecure to handle the truth (and he doesn't want to hurt you or scare you away) or are too judgmental. Because some of the things he's lying about are silly things to be lying about. Idk. Just a thought. Also I'm just browsing through so I didn't get the full story, do excuse me if I'm off, but maybe you should open up and show him more of your private secrets or thoughts, put more trust in him. He may feel compelled to return that trust. Good luck!

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Posted by IllaLupus
I couldn't be with a liar.. I'm sorry to hear that. A relationship that drains you isn't a good one... Perhaps get a breath of fresh air? It's unealthy to be with a person like that.

Posted by starlover
...and anna, you shouldnt be feeling drained if the relationship is good for you. i felt the same with the last guy...totally drained from all his weird private hidden stuff...am so relieved now to be out of it
you will feel much better with someone who is open and straight with you....

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Posted by mariathesag

Posted by anna1
Well I admit that I am a little bit insecure I was not insecure in the beginning of our relationship it has something to do with his behavior. He lies to me about little things he even lied about his mother tongue, his age and the list goes on and on. he backbited me to his family he also a gambler which I accidently came to know. Every once in a while I come to know some kind of bitter truth about him after every month or so. I am Feeling emotionally drained

It just sounds like everytime you let those "little things" pass, your self respect dies a little death.

That happens to quite a few women ~ good to spend some time alone to build up the self esteem ~ sometimes it is not until we are away from a situation that we can see the truth of it clealy

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Posted by IllaLupus
Did you say he had mars in scorp too?
I was with someone for almost 2 years I can tell you truthfully.. He didn't really know me, it was surface level 100% . Trust is what will let you in, but that's hard to earn and as a lunar scorp even thinking about trusting someone makes me shudder..

Lunar scorps are famous for their all or nothing behavior, they are very famous for their deep and intense relationships, just wondering how can you people keep a surface level relationships ?

In our relationship I am the one who really don't want a surface level relationship I want a deep and satisfying one So when and how will you trust someone ? How can i make him trust me ? Please answer this as detailed as possible
and yes he also have his moon, Pluto, mars all in a big globby conjunction in Scorpio. lol

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Posted by IllaLupus
Did you say he had mars in scorp too?
For me honestly I come off as being secretive even when I'm not, Sometimes yeah it may seem like I'm hiding something because I will behave in such a way but I'm not. Lunar scorps seldom let people in, I was with someone for almost 2 years I can tell you truthfully.. He didn't really know me, it was surface level 100% . Trust is what will let you in, but that's hard to earn and as a lunar scorp even thinking about trusting someone makes me shudder..
If he wants to marry you, that means he wants to be with you... We don't stick around and want to marry someone unless those feelings and intentions are true. Why waste time spending your life with someone you don't actually want to be with..?
When we truly love someone, our loyalty is golden.. (Unless you've got Venus in Gemini lawl).
[me: moon, Pluto, mars all in a big globby conjunction in Scorpio]

Posted by starlover
anna, read this back again to yourself
He lies to me about little things he even lied about his mother tongue, his age and the list goes on and on. he backbited me to his family he also a gambler which I accidently came to know.

..and the list goes on? he is a liar, a secret gambler...he backbited you to his family? you are going to marry this guy??
why?

Posted by IllaLupus
I was young, this was years ago, I blame my Libran nature for sticking with it, he wasn't worth it and never gave me a reason to let him in... So I tip toed through the tulips till I could take no more.. Having a surface level relationship was not good, but it saved me in the end.. And allowed me to walk away like he didn't exist. Besides I couldn't get deep with an Aries sun, Sagittarius moon. He was all about the surface haha!
Anna what is his full chart? Post a picture. I'm sure that would help a lot.. Because I'm curious to know what his other placements are and what is aspecting his moon and such. Have you expressed how you feel genuinely? Perhaps he's hiding things from you because he feels like he can't be open with you again lack of trust would cause that. It takes me an extremely long time to develop trust for someone, to be honest it's quite scary. I wouldn't open up to someone I don't trust, and if began to develop some I'd open up like a turtle.. Poke my head out and see if its safe to continue letting them in lol.
As for communication mercury is where you look for that so please do post his chart.

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Posted by anna1
Well I admit that I am a little bit insecure I was not insecure in the beginning of our relationship it has something to do with his behavior. He lies to me about little things he even lied about his mother tongue, his age and the list goes on and on. he backbited me to his family he also a gambler which I accidently came to know. Every once in a while I come to know some kind of bitter truth about him after every month or so. I am Feeling emotionally drained

It just sounds like everytime you let those "little things" pass, your self respect dies a little death.

That happens to quite a few women ~ good to spend some time alone to build up the self esteem ~ sometimes it is not until we are away from a situation that we can see the truth of it clealy

Anna, you might want to listen to them. You've seen enough of this guy to tell you that he could be not what you thought. So maybe taking a step back for a little while would give you a chance to breathe and think for yourself?

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Posted by Whatu

Posted by anna1

Posted by mariathesag

What do you want to know anyway.
If you are wondering if he hides dark thoughts, harsh and cruel feelings and less than noble intentions.. then, most likely he does.

I just want to know whether he's ever going to reveal such deeps secrets in front of me? If so. HOW

Or maybe he actually has, Maybe those secrets are not verbal or what ever you expect. Maybe they are the way he kisses you or that place he took you once that was special to him but you got bored because there was not enough going on there, and because it was not all about you. Maybe what you have right now is all you will ever have with him but you don't appreciate this, as it is, right now.
You can't have your cake and eat it to.

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Posted by IllaLupus
Did you say he had mars in scorp too?
I was with someone for almost 2 years I can tell you truthfully.. He didn't really know me, it was surface level 100% . Trust is what will let you in, but that's hard to earn and as a lunar scorp even thinking about trusting someone makes me shudder..

Lunar scorps are famous for their all or nothing behavior, they are very famous for their deep and intense relationships, just wondering how can you people keep a surface level relationships ?

In our relationship I am the one who really don't want a surface level relationship I want a deep and satisfying one So when and how will you trust someone ? How can i make him trust me ? Please answer this as detailed as possible
and yes he also have his moon, Pluto, mars all in a big globby conjunction in Scorpio. lol

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Posted by anna1
He told me another lie but this time its a little big one. He rejected the truth and blamed me for doing a thing that I never did

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Posted by anna1
He told me another lie but this time its a little big one. He rejected the truth and blamed me for doing a thing that I never did

How old is he?

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