Not too serious but...
First... the story: I met a Scorpio chick in the second half of 2011... for me, it was one of those sudden attraction...
This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by David13 on Monday, April 1, 2013 and has 207 replies.
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So...
@IntriguedScorp
With my latest update above... see how confusing you Scorpions can be ? And you know what... I STILL don't know if YOU were FLIRTING or NOT !!!
@87scorpio
I agree with you... this is probably rock bottom for her. "When she says no to your offers of support/help, I would say "tough, I am doing it whether you like it or not" I'm sure she would appreciate it." This seems to be what her sister does... I will keep this in mind.
Holding out for a Taurus are you ? As in waiting for one to come around or is there already one that you have your eye on ? Progressing ?
@IntriguedScorp
With my latest update above... see how confusing you Scorpions can be ? And you know what... I STILL don't know if YOU were FLIRTING or NOT !!!
@87scorpio
I agree with you... this is probably rock bottom for her. "When she says no to your offers of support/help, I would say "tough, I am doing it whether you like it or not" I'm sure she would appreciate it." This seems to be what her sister does... I will keep this in mind.
Holding out for a Taurus are you ? As in waiting for one to come around or is there already one that you have your eye on ? Progressing ?
Posted by 87scorpio
David, I can tell you it would have take her A LOT to write that, let alone send it by accident. Now that she has kind of put her cards on the table, things should be a little easier for you both from now on. And that fact she said "normally fall for" she has FALLEN for you!
Progressing very slowly with the taurus...lol, I don't know whether I am coming or going!
Interesting... I didn't quite see it like THAT !
So where's your 'Progressing Slowly with Taurus' story ?!! I have to read that !!!
Seriously, I'd have to dumb it way down to contribute anymore to this thread.
I don't need to know what this lady is thinking because her actions speak volumes and paint the scene for what's to come. She's really good at tapping into emotional elements... whether it be to protect herself, gain his trust, figure herself out. She's saying one thing and meaning another. She's not being honest with him. It's really not that unique... ALL water sings can do it with perfection, intentional or not. They just all do it differently.
Anyway, fixed relationship merging is way too predictable for me. Usually ends in a stalemate but I'm sure both parties gain from the experience and that is something, right. Life experience.
David, you've always seemed like a nice guy. Enjoy!
I don't need to know what this lady is thinking because her actions speak volumes and paint the scene for what's to come. She's really good at tapping into emotional elements... whether it be to protect herself, gain his trust, figure herself out. She's saying one thing and meaning another. She's not being honest with him. It's really not that unique... ALL water sings can do it with perfection, intentional or not. They just all do it differently.
Anyway, fixed relationship merging is way too predictable for me. Usually ends in a stalemate but I'm sure both parties gain from the experience and that is something, right. Life experience.
David, you've always seemed like a nice guy. Enjoy!
Posted by 87scorpio
David, I can tell you it would have take her A LOT to write that, let alone send it by accident.
"send it by accident"? OMG people, really!!???
David, I need your help. Can you please read the latest post I just posted (hot Scorpio men)? Pa-lease with sugar on top? I don't think I can advise you on this woman you speak of because I'm a Virgo and I could get it all wrong. :*\
Posted by VirgwithScorpSun
David, I need your help. Can you please read the latest post I just posted (hot Scorpio men)? Pa-lease with sugar on top? I don't think I can advise you on this woman you speak of because I'm a Virgo and I could get it all wrong. :*\
Done !
Hi David, I just read this thread all the way through. What an unexpected turn of events from when you first posted. A lot of good advice has already been given re your scorp's behavior. I have a few thoughts that can hopefully add more insight.
One of the posters repeatedly doubts your scorp girl's motives. I know you don't believe him so I don't need to convince you of anything, but just to shed some light, in general, regarding our emotions, scorps don't so much lie as keep quiet about them. If we don't care about someone, we won't take the energy to make up lies - it's too much work for a scorp, who already has so much going on (we always do). We would never toy with someone's emotions, because we know how much it can hurt.
Two things to know about your scorp are (1) she is afraid and (2) she is slow to trust. She was holding back initially because she was afraid, afraid to fall for you because she knows the depth of love that she is capable of...and she didn't want to allow herself to go there (even though she probably was already there) for fear that once you learned the truth you about her (whatever she thinks is a negative quality), you would see her differently/no longer be interested/leave. Therefore, she sent those texts about how she's not right for you. After your grand gesture, she began to trust...the strength of your emotions...and began to open up more. But, as you've experienced, the process is slow. It will remain like that until she can fully trust you, which will happen eventually, as you continue to remain by her side when she opens up. As long as you are making progress, it's a good sign.
So if you hit a road block and feel like she's no longer interested/ breaking up with you, she's not. That's her way of making sure you are still there with her, emotionally, that you still want to be with her after some of her crazies have come out. Do you notice how she always says, "I'm not the girl for you" or "I am nothing special", all self-deprecating remarks, but she never says anything negative about you? Because it's not about you but her own insecurities, and a scorp girl who has been hurt has a lot.
Finally, I just want to say that it's not easy to love a scorp girl who has been hurt. It's a lot of work, as I'm sure you're learning. Don't forget to take care of yourself and your emotions too. You're only human.
I hope things work out for you.
One of the posters repeatedly doubts your scorp girl's motives. I know you don't believe him so I don't need to convince you of anything, but just to shed some light, in general, regarding our emotions, scorps don't so much lie as keep quiet about them. If we don't care about someone, we won't take the energy to make up lies - it's too much work for a scorp, who already has so much going on (we always do). We would never toy with someone's emotions, because we know how much it can hurt.
Two things to know about your scorp are (1) she is afraid and (2) she is slow to trust. She was holding back initially because she was afraid, afraid to fall for you because she knows the depth of love that she is capable of...and she didn't want to allow herself to go there (even though she probably was already there) for fear that once you learned the truth you about her (whatever she thinks is a negative quality), you would see her differently/no longer be interested/leave. Therefore, she sent those texts about how she's not right for you. After your grand gesture, she began to trust...the strength of your emotions...and began to open up more. But, as you've experienced, the process is slow. It will remain like that until she can fully trust you, which will happen eventually, as you continue to remain by her side when she opens up. As long as you are making progress, it's a good sign.
So if you hit a road block and feel like she's no longer interested/ breaking up with you, she's not. That's her way of making sure you are still there with her, emotionally, that you still want to be with her after some of her crazies have come out. Do you notice how she always says, "I'm not the girl for you" or "I am nothing special", all self-deprecating remarks, but she never says anything negative about you? Because it's not about you but her own insecurities, and a scorp girl who has been hurt has a lot.
Finally, I just want to say that it's not easy to love a scorp girl who has been hurt. It's a lot of work, as I'm sure you're learning. Don't forget to take care of yourself and your emotions too. You're only human.
I hope things work out for you.
Next 'Adorable Handful' as IntriguedScorp put it.
So... I sent her an sms yesterday at around 2:00p, asking her what time she usually gets home from the hospital after visiting her father.
She answered: 7-7:30p, why ?
Me: Just wondering !
A few hours later she wrote: Sure ?
I answered: You ask too many questions !!!
I guess her Scorpio intuition had kicked in by that point because then she said:
Don't come to my house without telling me, okay ? I might not be there.
Me: Do you like to ruin surprises ?
Her: No I just want to avoid any complicated situations. I don't know how my father will be and sometimes after I leave the hospital, I get really upset, and just want to go home and go to bed.
So I had to confess:
I plan to be at your house around 7:30p. So just go home after you are finished at the hospital... you will still have to eat before you go to sleep. I hope it will be okay.
Then she wrote: No, I don't want you to come.
I didn't answer... I had it all planned out... I went anyway !
Her car was in her driveway... I rang the bell... there was no answer.
I sent her an sms that said: I got your message ! I'm here... do you want me to go ?
Her: I'm still at the hospital, I'm leaving now with my sister. I told you not to come ! Why did you come ?
Me: I don't remember giving you a choice ! Would you like me to leave now or do you want to eat something first ?
Then it occurred to me that I haven't met her sister... I was not actually sure if she knew about me or not.
So I added: Do you want me to hide so that your sister won't see me ?
Her: I'm not really happy you came but I'm not going to let you go now. Wait for me and if you can hide, it would be better.
*Profanity Spoiler Alert*
Me talking out loud: "She agreed that I should fucking hide ? Are you fucking joking ? Fuck this... I'm leaving ! Fucking hide... fuck this !"
As I headed back to the metro station... with my bag full of things to cook at her place... thinking that she was supposed to like surprises. I thought I saw her as a passenger in one of the cars that passed by in opposing direction. I thought to myself, that if I made it all the way back to the subway stop without a follow up response on her part, that I would just have to be done with it... then her car stopped in front my path... she actually seemed happy to see me.
So... I sent her an sms yesterday at around 2:00p, asking her what time she usually gets home from the hospital after visiting her father.
She answered: 7-7:30p, why ?
Me: Just wondering !
A few hours later she wrote: Sure ?
I answered: You ask too many questions !!!
I guess her Scorpio intuition had kicked in by that point because then she said:
Don't come to my house without telling me, okay ? I might not be there.
Me: Do you like to ruin surprises ?
Her: No I just want to avoid any complicated situations. I don't know how my father will be and sometimes after I leave the hospital, I get really upset, and just want to go home and go to bed.
So I had to confess:
I plan to be at your house around 7:30p. So just go home after you are finished at the hospital... you will still have to eat before you go to sleep. I hope it will be okay.
Then she wrote: No, I don't want you to come.
I didn't answer... I had it all planned out... I went anyway !
Her car was in her driveway... I rang the bell... there was no answer.
I sent her an sms that said: I got your message ! I'm here... do you want me to go ?
Her: I'm still at the hospital, I'm leaving now with my sister. I told you not to come ! Why did you come ?
Me: I don't remember giving you a choice ! Would you like me to leave now or do you want to eat something first ?
Then it occurred to me that I haven't met her sister... I was not actually sure if she knew about me or not.
So I added: Do you want me to hide so that your sister won't see me ?
Her: I'm not really happy you came but I'm not going to let you go now. Wait for me and if you can hide, it would be better.
*Profanity Spoiler Alert*
Me talking out loud: "She agreed that I should fucking hide ? Are you fucking joking ? Fuck this... I'm leaving ! Fucking hide... fuck this !"
As I headed back to the metro station... with my bag full of things to cook at her place... thinking that she was supposed to like surprises. I thought I saw her as a passenger in one of the cars that passed by in opposing direction. I thought to myself, that if I made it all the way back to the subway stop without a follow up response on her part, that I would just have to be done with it... then her car stopped in front my path... she actually seemed happy to see me.
As I cooked dinner... I asked her if she was still angry... "a little" she said... "you're very stubborn" (funny... no one as EVER said THAT to ME before !) "And YOU are NOT ?" I asked. She just smiled knowing full well what I was talking about. "Don't worry... you will forgive be before tomorrow... and tomorrow you will thank me for defying you."
Several times throughout the evening, I asked her what she would have been doing at that moment, had I not come over... she would smile each time... explaining something that didn't sound so fun. This morning, as we parted company... she thanked me for coming.
She leaves for the South of France for a week very early Sunday morning. It is likely that I won't see her before then. It is family vacation time here... she is over-due I think. Perhaps when she returns, the depression that she has found herself drowning in will have lifted a bit. On verra !
"And YOU are NOT ?" I asked. She just smiled knowing full well what I was talking about. "Don't worry... you will forgive be before tomorrow... and tomorrow you will thank me for defying you." Several times throughout the evening, I asked her what she would have been doing at that moment, had I not come over... she would smile each time... explaining something that didn't sound so fun. This morning, as we parted company... she thanked me for coming.
She leaves for the South of France for a week very early Sunday morning. It is likely that I won't see her before then. It is family vacation time here... she is over-due I think. Perhaps when she returns, the depression that she has found herself drowning in will have lifted a bit. On verra !
Posted by IntriguedScorp
This thread should be stickied and re-Titled "How Scorpion Women Date 101" haha.
My god we can be a handful. Adorable but a handful. lol
+1
@carbon_scorp
Well said... thanks for the extra insight... I guess you managed to post just before I did just now, so you will see that you are spot on with what you just said !
Well said... thanks for the extra insight... I guess you managed to post just before I did just now, so you will see that you are spot on with what you just said !
Posted by David13
Her: I'm not really happy you came but I'm not going to let you go now. Wait for me and if you can hide, it would be better.
*Profanity Spoiler Alert*
Me talking out loud: "She agreed that I should fucking hide ? Are you fucking joking ? Fuck this... I'm leaving ! Fucking hide... fuck this !"
As I headed back to the metro station... with my bag full of things to cook at her place... thinking that she was supposed to like surprises. I thought I saw her as a passenger in one of the cars that passed by in opposing direction. I thought to myself, that if I made it all the way back to the subway stop without a follow up response on her part, that I would just have to be done with it... then her car stopped in front my path... she actually seemed happy to see me.
Of course she was not happy initially - she had plans and wasn't prepared to see you. (I don't think this is a scorp thing, but a woman thing). But that was her initial reaction. When she realized the truth of the matter, that you were there to see her (and that she wanted to see you too), she was of course happy to see you. Basically, you stepped up to the plate and didn't give her a choice. It may be what all scorp girls secretly want from someone they love. Well done!
Also, don't be offended that she asked for you to hide. She not only has standards about herself and the impression she makes, but the impression that you make. She wants you to look good to her sister. I'm sure she just wanted to introduce you in a better setting.
Posted by David13
@carbon_scorp
Well said... thanks for the extra insight... I guess you managed to post just before I did just now, so you will see that you are spot on with what you just said !
Glad to help! I guess I know a thing or two about scorps
Posted by 87scorpioPosted by carbon_scorp
Of course she was not happy initially - she had plans and wasn't prepared to see you. (I don't think this is a scorp thing, but a woman thing). But that was her initial reaction. When she realized the truth of the matter, that you were there to see her (and that she wanted to see you too), she was of course happy to see you. Basically, you stepped up to the plate and didn't give her a choice. It may be what all scorp girls secretly want from someone they love. Well done!
Also, don't be offended that she asked for you to hide. She not only has standards about herself and the impression she makes, but the impression that you make. She wants you to look good to her sister. I'm sure she just wanted to introduce you in a better setting.
I have to say, that the only reason I am never happy with someone just "showing up" is completely down to my OCD and not being "in control" of the situation. I would have wanted it to be my idea, been able to clean up the place and make myself look nice. I don't think she was mad that you just turned up, I'm sure she loved the gesture. She probably thought "oh shit I haven't straightened out the cushions on the sofa or made the bed!"
The stubbornness is something you will have to deal with...extremely bad scorpio trait, but bulls are just as bad-they just don't know it!
Seems like you have progress Davidclick to expand
Her place always looks nice... she's extremely neat. She is French, so she won't even be seen picking up bread without looking her best. The control thing yes... THIS is exists... I can only study what she demands to control.
Hey... who are YOU calling stubborn ?!!
Progress... I don't know... for the moment it would seem so... but I am learning quickly that a moment can be momentary.
Just got an sms !
*Singing voice*
She's coming over... she's coming over... (tune from the 'nanner nanner nanner' song.) Perhaps I should tell her that I am a little angry when she gets here ?
*Singing voice*
She's coming over... she's coming over... (tune from the 'nanner nanner nanner' song.) Perhaps I should tell her that I am a little angry when she gets here ?
Lol, you two are so cute. I'm happy for you that things are going well. Have fun!!
This is what im talking about. A little push/fight. You were determined to go and you did not caring so much what she thought. That will win her over. This is a good read!
So... she came over on the 18th... and of course spent the night... so I guess that would make it the morning of the 19th (just to show you that I can do simple math)... the last time I saw her. On Saturday the 20th, I am sure she spent the day getting ready for her trip... and on the 21st she left at 5:00a. She sent a message or two everyday... just to tell me about the weather and the things she had been doing... even to tell me when they were on their way back.
While she was on her way back... I felt her out a bit... telling her that I couldn't wait to see her et cetera, which she reciprocated. When I knew she was about 2 hours away (simple math again), I asked her if she wanted to hear my plan. She said 'yes' and so I told her that I could come to her house if she wanted... but only if SHE wanted. She said that it wasn't 'reasonable' because she didn't know what time she would get home, she just wanted to go to bed, and that she had had a stomach ache since they left (about a 10-hour drive, but she wasn't the one driving)... and proposed MAYBE I could come over the next day (Sunday).
Now... I didn't see THAT happening. Actually I understood her position very well... MOST people, are not in the mood to do much of anything after a trip... and the next day is ALWAYS sluggish as far as getting motivated, doing laundry, unpacking everything... plus... I knew she would most likely want to visit her father. I didn't hear anything from her until 10:00p when I finally wrote "How are you ? Still tired ?" A couple messages later she said 'good night' with the little 'kissy' emoticon.
I didn't receive anything from her today... I sent some 'kissy' emoticons to her at about 3:30p... not a big deal... it didn't require a response. Then at 9:30p... I gave her a call (she goes to bed between 11 and 11:30p. She didn't fucking answer ! I left a short VM... that somehow I knew she wouldn't answer (a little joking but serious tone... as we have discussed this before)... and that I had just called to see how she was doing. She didn't call back... she didn't send an sms... so that makes NOTHING from her all day (I'm getting pretty good at this math stuff).
While she was on her way back... I felt her out a bit... telling her that I couldn't wait to see her et cetera, which she reciprocated. When I knew she was about 2 hours away (simple math again), I asked her if she wanted to hear my plan. She said 'yes' and so I told her that I could come to her house if she wanted... but only if SHE wanted. She said that it wasn't 'reasonable' because she didn't know what time she would get home, she just wanted to go to bed, and that she had had a stomach ache since they left (about a 10-hour drive, but she wasn't the one driving)... and proposed MAYBE I could come over the next day (Sunday).
Now... I didn't see THAT happening. Actually I understood her position very well... MOST people, are not in the mood to do much of anything after a trip... and the next day is ALWAYS sluggish as far as getting motivated, doing laundry, unpacking everything... plus... I knew she would most likely want to visit her father. I didn't hear anything from her until 10:00p when I finally wrote "How are you ? Still tired ?" A couple messages later she said 'good night' with the little 'kissy' emoticon.
I didn't receive anything from her today... I sent some 'kissy' emoticons to her at about 3:30p... not a big deal... it didn't require a response. Then at 9:30p... I gave her a call (she goes to bed between 11 and 11:30p. She didn't fucking answer ! I left a short VM... that somehow I knew she wouldn't answer (a little joking but serious tone... as we have discussed this before)... and that I had just called to see how she was doing. She didn't call back... she didn't send an sms... so that makes NOTHING from her all day (I'm getting pretty good at this math stuff).
This Wednesday is Labor Day here... NO ONE works. In one of our sms conversations yesterday... we both established that. I have told her that I just wanted to see her... but now she seems to be stiffening up again... quite a contrast to some of the messages she sent me while on vacation... 'wishing she was in my arms' for one. My instinct is telling me that she will make, or has already made plans for Wednesday that won't include me.
I am starting to get annoyed... we don't have a lot of time that we can share together... and the opportunities I present are always shot down. Perhaps I will deem tomorrow 'Jour J' (D-Day)... I am not going to acknowledge her first tomorrow. I don't know... maybe I am jumping the gun here... maybe her phone broke... maybe she fell sleep... maybe the cows didn't come home. Maybe I am just expecting too much. I would just like for her to demonstrate some impatience to see me... even if it were just a little bit.
I am starting to get annoyed... we don't have a lot of time that we can share together... and the opportunities I present are always shot down. Perhaps I will deem tomorrow 'Jour J' (D-Day)... I am not going to acknowledge her first tomorrow. I don't know... maybe I am jumping the gun here... maybe her phone broke... maybe she fell sleep... maybe the cows didn't come home. Maybe I am just expecting too much. I would just like for her to demonstrate some impatience to see me... even if it were just a little bit.
David, just a question as I'm somewhat on the other side of this equation with a taurus make... If she did have her life together and could stand on her own feet, look right at you and tell you that she wanted you full on - after a slow steady evolution if your relationship (not this cat and mouse act that you've had) would you feel do strongly about her or do you need the 'chase' as a taurus make? I'm curious.
Posted by scorpchick76
David, just a question as I'm somewhat on the other side of this equation with a taurus make... If she did have her life together and could stand on her own feet, look right at you and tell you that she wanted you full on - after a slow steady evolution if your relationship (not this cat and mouse act that you've had) would you feel do strongly about her or do you need the 'chase' as a taurus make? I'm curious.
Yes... I've been keeping up with your thread.
I haven't been so involved with it because TaurusLovesScorpio seems to be taking care of you very well.
To be honest with you... I don't really thrive on 'the chase' so much. I gave up chasing years ago... I mean, I will chase to a point to show my interest... but I can tire if the other doesn't come around... pack up my tent and go home. At this point... it becomes entirely up to her.
The two of you are living together... but this weakens your position... you are the mouse. You seem to be a real catch... but my impression is that he has forgotten this... as he was not ready for you when you came. As for him talking to other women... you probably don't have too much to worry about... as I think it is YOU that really has him. You just need to shake him up a bit now... stop being so understanding... realize what parts are not working for you.
So to answer your question... if SHE looked me in the eye and and told me that she wanted it all ? She shouldn't have to tell me... I don't think I would respond well to her telling me this... but if it were her actions that told me... then yes... she would have my all.
If it is you that is thinking of telling your Taurus this... your actions have already spoken. But... he is slowly trying to make his decision to go for whatever reason... but he has much doubt as he hasn't done it yet. Tell him how you feel... and then force him to go. Prepare yourself to let him go. Make it abrupt and sudden... because I don't think your living situation is going to bring him back to you... he has to lose you completely before he can love you as you deserve to be loved... he just needs a little joust with a cattle-prod to remember how it is he really feels. Don't be afraid.
Posted by IntriguedScorp
David, just give her time to retreat and come back refreshed. No biggie.
On the other hand, you know as a Bull there will come a time when you need a few days off and you would want the person you are with to understand. Its called TRUST.
Flow with it, my friend.
I'm flowing... but I don't know... seems she only stays 'refreshed' for a couple of days out of each month ! I am sure I will hear from her... hope I don't forget I was seeing her before then !
Thanks David... those are some really kind words and ones that I'm coming to terms with on my own already. I'm actually starting to feel some relief that he's finding a place to move into... funny how I was so resistant to this all before. Yes, us scorps can be fickle.
But this isn't about me, it's your thread... give her enough space but also keep letting her know you're there. Ultimately what has been said before is the absolute truth - scorps push people away when what they truly want is to be fought for... that being said (I'm not sure of her age or relationship experience here) in my younger years I never knew when to stop with the pushing and would often push too hard/ so much that I would in fact lose the other person and therefore perpetuate my own self beliefs (people always leave). Stay steady and strong. Trust me, if you get her to come around you'll have nothing but utter devotion to you and the relationship and that is a beautiful thing. Keep making it safe for her without becoming a pushover (not implying you are in anyway).
Good Luck!
But this isn't about me, it's your thread... give her enough space but also keep letting her know you're there. Ultimately what has been said before is the absolute truth - scorps push people away when what they truly want is to be fought for... that being said (I'm not sure of her age or relationship experience here) in my younger years I never knew when to stop with the pushing and would often push too hard/ so much that I would in fact lose the other person and therefore perpetuate my own self beliefs (people always leave). Stay steady and strong. Trust me, if you get her to come around you'll have nothing but utter devotion to you and the relationship and that is a beautiful thing. Keep making it safe for her without becoming a pushover (not implying you are in anyway).
Good Luck!
Posted by 87scorpioPosted by David13
This Wednesday is Labor Day here... NO ONE works. In one of our sms conversations yesterday... we both established that. I have told her that I just wanted to see her... but now she seems to be stiffening up again... quite a contrast to some of the messages she sent me while on vacation... 'wishing she was in my arms' for one. My instinct is telling me that she will make, or has already made plans for Wednesday that won't include me.
I am starting to get annoyed... we don't have a lot of time that we can share together... and the opportunities I present are always shot down. Perhaps I will deem tomorrow 'Jour J' (D-Day)... I am not going to acknowledge her first tomorrow. I don't know... maybe I am jumping the gun here... maybe her phone broke... maybe she fell sleep... maybe the cows didn't come home. Maybe I am just expecting too much. I would just like for her to demonstrate some impatience to see me... even if it were just a little bit.
It sounds as though she is possibly hesitating a little as there seems to have been quite a U-turn in the communication with you both. Slow and steady to start with, and now more direct. I know that if that was me I may feel that the change of pace was perhaps a little un-nerving. I would try being a little nonchalant with her. I think us scorps like the chase as much as the bulls do, and if things seem like they are going a little too smoothly then it can freak us out (with me at least anyway-I think I crave the drama!) Perhaps just ask her again "could you let me know about wednesday because some other plans are coming up". I know that I become less attracted to someone in the early stages if they are "too available"click to expand
But wouldn't THAT make me look too available... asking about Wednesday ?
It is 7:25p here... not a word from her today or yesterday. I have sent a few sms' during this time and a phone call... makes ME out to be the 'needy' one, no ? Not really sure what I should do now. She at least thought of me while on vacation... perhaps all I can do is rely on that. I will say though... this is getting old !!!
David I think that you are doing all the right things. A man should ask in advance for a date so asking over the weekend about Wednesday was fine...I don??t think that made you look to available it showed that you are a gentleman. The one thing that I am noticing throughout this post is that Scorp girls are a lot like Taurus girls in the way that we can be direct but we do push some because we want to know that a man will fight for us and come after us...I guess we want our prince. I could be wrong here so please if I am some of the Scorpio girls chime in...I think that if she doesn??t do anything with you tomorrow it is your turn to pull away. I say this because my sister is a scorpio and she really liked this guy but she kept pushing him away. It took him completely pulling away from her to get her to go after him and let her wall down and express her feeling for him. Unfortunately by the time all of this happened he was done and she was crushed. I think that this is why Taurus can be good for Scorps...you guys push us away we chase then we finally get to the point where we think you want me come get me so we pull away then you chase we let you catch us after putting up a little fight and since we are loving and loyal to the ones we care about we forgive??_we also let you know that should not happen again!
and since we are loving and loyal to the ones we care about we forgive??_we also let you know that should not happen again!Posted by 87scorpio
I think it's more about pointing out that you have other things that you could be doing. I see where you are coming from though. It's very rude of her to ignore you. I wouldn't be surprised if she contacts you last minute (even in the morning) about tomorrow to see if you have held out for her.
So.. YOU 87scorpio... YOU were RIGHT ! She contacted me about noon today... asking if I would like to come to her house. It was nice and sunny... she had planned a barbecue for 3... her, me, and her daughter. I wasn't able to spend the night, because I have to be on an early train for work tomorrow... but it was still a pleasant day.
Posted by 87scorpioPosted by David13Posted by 87scorpio
I think it's more about pointing out that you have other things that you could be doing. I see where you are coming from though. It's very rude of her to ignore you. I wouldn't be surprised if she contacts you last minute (even in the morning) about tomorrow to see if you have held out for her.
So.. YOU 87scorpio... YOU were RIGHT ! She contacted me about noon today... asking if I would like to come to her house. It was nice and sunny... she had planned a barbecue for 3... her, me, and her daughter. I wasn't able to spend the night, because I have to be on an early train for work tomorrow... but it was still a pleasant day.
Ahhh see!
Personally, I think that situation speaks volumes. I assume this is the first time you have met her daughter? I'm sure she wouldn't have introduced you both if she wasn't planning on something more. Looks as though she is almost ready to start opening up. I would expect "that talk" some time soon!click to expand
Actually... I met her daughter a month or so ago... this was the second time. Uh oh... 'that talk' ? What is it ? I'm not ready !!!
This is good news and it made me happy.
Posted by 87scorpio
In "the talk" I mean that I would take a guess that she is going to start opening up to you more and give you some indication as to what she actually wants. She clearly feels comfortable with you to introduce you to her daughter. I only introduce my daughter to males who are 100% platonic friends, no dates unless I plan on getting serious (although this may not be the case for everyone).
I don't agree that scorpios don't like to talk. I for one LOVE to talk IF I feel comfortable with someone and I trust them to know a little bit more about my inner self without sending them running to the hills! We can really open up to the right person. Chart placements will have some input on this though I'm guessing. Do you know details of her chart David?
Hmmmm... what would you like to know exactly... houses ? degrees ? Aspects ?
EVERYTHING MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH|
I`ve been following this story... I`m sorry I haven`t been giving my thoughts, but I would have been boring you with redundancy since the other Scorpios have been saying everything I would... BETTER.
Thought he said she had a Cancer Moon...
I have a Pisces Moon and a Cancer Rising
I have a Pisces Moon and a Cancer Rising
I would guess at Scorpio Mercury... I have this placement and communicate with my Taurus relatively the same as she does. Well, I use to anyway :p
Damn it ! I was just here to read this.... I didn`t want to involve myself in case I said something that steered (haha) him in the wrong direction... Then shit would fail, and I would feel like it was my fault lol
Okay then 87scorpio and Eris... have at it !
Sun - Scorpio - 29 deg 14' (1st house)
Moon - Cancer - 25 deg 57' (9th house)
ASC - Scorpio - 16 deg 53'
Mercury - Scorpio - 10 deg 36' (12th house)
Venus - Libra - 13 deg 09' (11th house)
Mars - Capricorn - 22 deg 38' (2nd house)
Jupiter - Virgo - 4 deg 25' (10th house)
Saturn(R) - Aries - 5 deg 54' (5th house)
Neptune - Scorpio - 24 deg 16' (1st house)
Uranus - Virgo - 28 deg 22' (10th house)
Pluto - Virgo 22 deg 32' (10th house)
Chiron(R) - Pisces 25 deg 23' (4th house)
So... as I was doing this... I thought it might just be easier to show you... you can find the image here:
http://www.dxpnet.com/images/ywkj5nndbcfbcnp.jpg
Enjoy !
Sun - Scorpio - 29 deg 14' (1st house)
Moon - Cancer - 25 deg 57' (9th house)
ASC - Scorpio - 16 deg 53'
Mercury - Scorpio - 10 deg 36' (12th house)
Venus - Libra - 13 deg 09' (11th house)
Mars - Capricorn - 22 deg 38' (2nd house)
Jupiter - Virgo - 4 deg 25' (10th house)
Saturn(R) - Aries - 5 deg 54' (5th house)
Neptune - Scorpio - 24 deg 16' (1st house)
Uranus - Virgo - 28 deg 22' (10th house)
Pluto - Virgo 22 deg 32' (10th house)
Chiron(R) - Pisces 25 deg 23' (4th house)
So... as I was doing this... I thought it might just be easier to show you... you can find the image here:
http://www.dxpnet.com/images/ywkj5nndbcfbcnp.jpg
Enjoy !
Thank you for your hasty posting. What was that mach 3 in Taurus time(question mark)
Posted by Eris
Thank you for your hasty posting. What was that mach 3 in Taurus time(question mark)
That was 'Taurus Sun, Aries Moon, Leo Asc, Aries Venus, Sagittarius Mars' Time... I think.
Oh lawdy, you Aries Mooners are everywhere...
Posted by 87scorpio
It will take for her to trust that you won't hurt her for her to open up. I would say that you have been doing the right things so far, just don't pull away. Keep showing her that you care and I am sure she will start to open up more and more and I think you could both really have something here
So... appears you were right again ! Saturday evening she had her daughter with her... I suggested that we go to a restaurant... that I knew of one that I hadn't been to in a while. She came with her daughter and we went, but... the restaurant had changed owners... it was no longer a restaurant in the evenings. We checked another one that I knew, but it was also closed ! How embarrassing ! I knew of another one in the downtown, so we went there. Good food and company. I decided to pay... she tried to refuse (she didn't think I should pay for her daughter)... I paid anyway !
She asked me if I wanted to go home... I frowned. She asked if I wanted to come to her place... I smiled... then she smiled. We stayed in bed until 11:00a... then she decided we would have a barbaque since the weather was nice on Sunday. She was actually opening up a bit about her past relationships... I didn't really have to pry. I didn't want to go home... but I had things I needed to do for work the next day... I don't think she wanted me to leave either.
By the way... thanks for the astro stuff !
Very insightful !So...
I spent the night at her house on Thursday... neither of us worked on Friday... we talked about meeting on Saturday... but I didn't perceive there to me a lot of indication that she really wanted to. Turns out, she got involved in one of her house projects on Saturday. Later Saturday night, she asked me if I was disappointed that we didn't see each other... I told her 'no'... that I realized we wouldn't when she made it known that she had started sanding and painting her stairs. We had some laughs through sms-ing... everything seemed fine. I got it... I understood... no big deal.
On Sunday I asked her if she had finished... took her awhile to answer, so I knew she hadn't. At about 9:00p Sunday night, she asked me if I would like to come to her house on Monday evening... I told her 'yes' but that I wouldn't be finished with work until 7-7:30p. She understood saying "yes, but it's a special day tomorrow."
This morning she wrote an sms to me at 8:00a that said: Happy Birthday ! Today is YOUR day !
We were supposed to meet at 7-7:30p tonight... I received an sms at 6:15p that said: David, I don't think we can see each other tonight... I started crying in the car on the way home and I haven't stopped... maybe it is my nerves. Don't ask me why, it is about nothing and everything at the same time. I wanted to see you because today is your birthday, but I can't tonight.
About an hour later, I wrote only: I'm sorry... hope you feel better soon.
Haven't heard anything else from her tonight... but FUCK... her timing sucks ! Thing is, I made no other plans... my plans were made when she made them last night for 'MY special day'... think I have placed too many 'eggs' in this 'basket'. I don't know what was troubling her tonight... all I am really seeing... is how reliable she can be... at being unreliable.
I spent the night at her house on Thursday... neither of us worked on Friday... we talked about meeting on Saturday... but I didn't perceive there to me a lot of indication that she really wanted to. Turns out, she got involved in one of her house projects on Saturday. Later Saturday night, she asked me if I was disappointed that we didn't see each other... I told her 'no'... that I realized we wouldn't when she made it known that she had started sanding and painting her stairs. We had some laughs through sms-ing... everything seemed fine. I got it... I understood... no big deal.
On Sunday I asked her if she had finished... took her awhile to answer, so I knew she hadn't. At about 9:00p Sunday night, she asked me if I would like to come to her house on Monday evening... I told her 'yes' but that I wouldn't be finished with work until 7-7:30p. She understood saying "yes, but it's a special day tomorrow."
This morning she wrote an sms to me at 8:00a that said: Happy Birthday ! Today is YOUR day !
We were supposed to meet at 7-7:30p tonight... I received an sms at 6:15p that said: David, I don't think we can see each other tonight... I started crying in the car on the way home and I haven't stopped... maybe it is my nerves. Don't ask me why, it is about nothing and everything at the same time. I wanted to see you because today is your birthday, but I can't tonight.
About an hour later, I wrote only: I'm sorry... hope you feel better soon.
Haven't heard anything else from her tonight... but FUCK... her timing sucks ! Thing is, I made no other plans... my plans were made when she made them last night for 'MY special day'... think I have placed too many 'eggs' in this 'basket'. I don't know what was troubling her tonight... all I am really seeing... is how reliable she can be... at being unreliable.
That really does suck... and on your birthday.
She is running the show. She can have an emotional breakdown anytime she likes... and there is nothing you can do about it. She calls you when she wants, responds when she wants, and cancels plans ON YOUR BIRTHDAY without any notice.
If she was a guy... the answer would be clear and there wouldn't be all this maybe she's this and maybe she's that. Be a man and put her in her place or she will continue to passive aggressively mind fuck you.
peace man and go out and enjoy your birthday. She's got you at home with your mind fixed on her and how she screwed you over. check.
but hey.. she did warn you, didn't she?
you'll keep trying to hold out waiting for her to open up, but it won't happen. The only time she'll realize her messed up behaviour is when you're gone. Cut her off and see how fast she starts to chase
She is running the show. She can have an emotional breakdown anytime she likes... and there is nothing you can do about it. She calls you when she wants, responds when she wants, and cancels plans ON YOUR BIRTHDAY without any notice.
If she was a guy... the answer would be clear and there wouldn't be all this maybe she's this and maybe she's that. Be a man and put her in her place or she will continue to passive aggressively mind fuck you.
peace man and go out and enjoy your birthday. She's got you at home with your mind fixed on her and how she screwed you over. check.
but hey.. she did warn you, didn't she?
you'll keep trying to hold out waiting for her to open up, but it won't happen. The only time she'll realize her messed up behaviour is when you're gone. Cut her off and see how fast she starts to chase
Posted by 87scorpioPosted by shellshocker
you'll keep trying to hold out waiting for her to open up, but it won't happen. The only time she'll realize her messed up behaviour is when you're gone. Cut her off and see how fast she starts to chase
This is the worst advice ever with a scorpio woman. If you do this in the early stages like this you will be unlikely to hear from her again. We don't chase!
I would tell her though that you are displeased with her behaviour. Its not on, just ask her plain and simple-why cancel plans on my birthday-it was hurtful. Simple.click to expand
Whoa, whoa, whoa 87scorp... Gotta disagree with you here... Maybe more so for I evolved scorp types but the second someone who has been consistent suddenly isn't I perk up my ears and stick my head out looking for where they went... It's safe to do so since they aren't there looking right at us. Idk, in my younger years I was quite good at the cat and mouse game with me being the mouse. It's not healthy nor stable but it was my way of limiting someone actually seeing me in my entirety (due largely to my innate feelings if not being good enough somehow)... Not that it helps David in anyway... Seems you have a timid scorp, not sure how you play that one because it mostly results in a ton of inconsistency... Hmmm, let me think on it.
*unevolved!
Posted by 87scorpio
Aww David that sucks. Happy birthday all the same.
This does sound strange. I can't think what this could be about other than its just her hormones acting up and she didn't feel in the right frame of mind to see you, but on your birthday...!? Doesn't really make sense.
I have been reading more into cancer moons as my bull has this placement, and it seems on an emotional level these are very complicated people. Hard shell to break to get into that soft interior, supposedly they open up through trust and like to test the commitment of others...so I don't know if this weekend and today had something to do with that?
With this next point, I clearly have far too much time on my hands and could be totally irrelevant to you, but may be interesting to look in to. With cancer ruling the moon, I looked into the phases of the moon to see if they had any significance to my bulls emotions/the way he interacts with me. And strangely I did find a pattern! When the moon was a waning/waxing crescent, this was always when he initiated contact and when we shared some of our best moments. A full moon or within a few days of it have been our fall outs and arguments (no exceptions) and we never talk within a few days of a quarter moon.
http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/moon.html
Maybe it isn't the cancer moon though and she just decided to go all scorp crazy on you.
Thank you 87scorpio !
I COULD look more into it... but I won't... I've got to draw the line somewhere in this crazyness. I was all for being supportive and understanding... it is just who I am... but if this was just some kind of test... very well... I accept that I flunked it ! No word from her as of yet... she is going to have to come to me.
Posted by shellshocker
That really does suck... and on your birthday.
She is running the show. She can have an emotional breakdown anytime she likes... and there is nothing you can do about it. She calls you when she wants, responds when she wants, and cancels plans ON YOUR BIRTHDAY without any notice.
If she was a guy... the answer would be clear and there wouldn't be all this maybe she's this and maybe she's that. Be a man and put her in her place or she will continue to passive aggressively mind fuck you.
peace man and go out and enjoy your birthday. She's got you at home with your mind fixed on her and how she screwed you over. check.
but hey.. she did warn you, didn't she?
you'll keep trying to hold out waiting for her to open up, but it won't happen. The only time she'll realize her messed up behaviour is when you're gone. Cut her off and see how fast she starts to chase
You are right about everything you said here shellshocker... but don't worrry... I've got this one.
She knows she fucked up... I don't have to say another word... and frankly, I don't feel like expending any more time or energy on this. I KNOW I did MY part... she knows what she has to do... and it won't be easy for her... she owes me nothing less than to confront me with those deeper feelings that make her sabotage her position even at the expense of another... OR NOT. I don't think that the shadow of my indifference is really where she wants to be.
Posted by 87scorpioPosted by shellshocker
you'll keep trying to hold out waiting for her to open up, but it won't happen. The only time she'll realize her messed up behaviour is when you're gone. Cut her off and see how fast she starts to chase
This is the worst advice ever with a scorpio woman. If you do this in the early stages like this you will be unlikely to hear from her again. We don't chase!
I would tell her though that you are displeased with her behaviour. Its not on, just ask her plain and simple-why cancel plans on my birthday-it was hurtful. Simple.click to expand
EVERYONE chases when they know they were wrong... even a Scorpio my darling.
Her denying me was due to an emotional response to SOMETHING... I have let it go many times before... but in THIS case... THIS was just different. I will hear from her... might take her some time... but she WILL reach for me. I don't have to tell her that I was disappointed... she knew that the moment she sent me the message. So... I will let her play and replay it out in her own heart and mind... I did nothing wrong... this is her mess... not mine. I was willing to help her through it all... but I refuse to pay for it.
Posted by Impulsv
David I say this because you deserve better. You don't need to be the rescuer. She knows she's treetrunk u know as well. Doesn't excuse it as she is not treating you as deserved( on ur birthday). I believe you've told me of another Scorpio who actually gave it her all n didn't play mind games but that didn't interest you, for whatever reason and that is ok. So you know its not a scorpio trait its woman who plays games and sorry to say she is no good
A scorp will chase but not cuz they did wrong or right because they have decided on you.
I hope despite all this your birthday was good.
Hmmmm... I don't remember talking about another Scorpio... this one is my first in the romantic sense.
Her actions yesterday seem to have changed my empathy into apathy... difficult to give a fuck when I seem to be viewed by her as just her option... the same holds true even on days deemed by most to be important... which is just not so interesting for me.
Posted by ellessque
dude, you are playing with an airy venus on a scorpio. either get used to it or call it a day.
where is your venus??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My venus is in Aries
Posted by ellessque
I want to be Frank today, I don't wanna be Elle
I have a question. Is it possible she could still be hung up on someone else?
Quite possibe.. probable even ! I think I covered it somewhere in this thread.
She had a boyfriend for a year and a half that ended in November. She mentioned how cold he was when he dropped off the stuff that was at his place in February... She has mentioned her drive-bys revealing that there have been other cars in front of his house... she mentioned last week having to get some concert tickets back from him and how indifferent he was toward her. Yes... she is still hurting over this one... but I know it takes time... I always let her talk about these things when they came up... and she would always apologize for telling me... in which I always told her not to apologize for having feelings.
Let me be honest... I am often the rebound guy... I think it is my job... as I seem to be pretty good at it. But if this is all I am to HER... then it is finished now... the rebound guy is temporary... a stepping stone... a bridge... the in-between... so to fight for her is a useless battle.
There are always the promises in the beginning... the woman is always convinced that she is ready to move on... and they seem always to fall in love with me quickly... but this is the red flag that has always been hoisted too late... and by that time I am addicted to whom I THOUGHT they were.
If I have any power in this at all... it is only to go very far away now... I think now, that she has not been ready for anything all along... but to get out of her how she really feels is quite an impossible feat... only clue from time to time. I will miss her.
@ellessque
I have already done the 'last hoorah'... maybe 3 weeks ago when I hadn't seen her for almost a month ! it was very much the same thing that happened... except that it WASN'T MY birthday. She had the two choices then... I thought I got somewhere... and now here we are again. I'm getting pretty tired. At this moment... I could walk away without a single word... who knows... maybe I can graduate and become her relationship that had no closure... at least she would remember my fucking birthday.
@IntriguedScorp
If or when I see her... I suppose that she could possibly get a dose of the infamous Taurus rage... as it has lain dormant for about 3 years now... think THAT would just make matters worse. Silence is less brutal and still conveys the message that it didn't sit well with me.
@87scorpio
Why would I want to be in a position to be compared ? Why do I want to be resigning myself to competing with a ghost ? Hmmm... would it be that my birthday would always remind her of some other fuck ? No thanks ! I don't really care what struck her sentiments yesterday... it is not really the point. If my place burned down... I might be late... I might not stay... but I would have still made it a point to be there for HER birthday... at least I would have made some kind of an appearance. She simply wrote off the whole day !!! Just a message that as you have basically pointed out... could be interpreted as: that it was only because she might have been thinking about someone else.
I have already done the 'last hoorah'... maybe 3 weeks ago when I hadn't seen her for almost a month ! it was very much the same thing that happened... except that it WASN'T MY birthday. She had the two choices then... I thought I got somewhere... and now here we are again. I'm getting pretty tired. At this moment... I could walk away without a single word... who knows... maybe I can graduate and become her relationship that had no closure... at least she would remember my fucking birthday.
@IntriguedScorp
If or when I see her... I suppose that she could possibly get a dose of the infamous Taurus rage... as it has lain dormant for about 3 years now... think THAT would just make matters worse. Silence is less brutal and still conveys the message that it didn't sit well with me.
@87scorpio
Why would I want to be in a position to be compared ? Why do I want to be resigning myself to competing with a ghost ? Hmmm... would it be that my birthday would always remind her of some other fuck ? No thanks ! I don't really care what struck her sentiments yesterday... it is not really the point. If my place burned down... I might be late... I might not stay... but I would have still made it a point to be there for HER birthday... at least I would have made some kind of an appearance. She simply wrote off the whole day !!! Just a message that as you have basically pointed out... could be interpreted as: that it was only because she might have been thinking about someone else.
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