Scorpio children & their temper

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by Livibowyah on Tuesday, May 7, 2013 and has 44 replies.
How do you cope with a Scorpio child's strong will & manipulative behavior?
Im a scorpio and i never had a temper as a child. I was always quiet and sweet. What are the childrens moon sign? Thats more to do with their emotions.
His moon sign is in Capricorn. He's 4 and very mature for his age, sarcastic, observant and not easily impressed (everyone describes him as a grown man). As his mother (Leo sun cancer moon) I'm the ONLY person he listens too or shows respect for (he's not disrespectful, but it's obvious when you do not have his respect). His temper is kind of frightening at times and its hard to get him to come down from it. I've read that when disciplining Scorpio children it is best to give strict discipline accompanied with a love afterwards.
I dated a Capricorn and he was just as sarcastic as me! Lol They can be real jerks. Discipline him based on his moon sign. I have an aquarius moon. It didnt take much to discipline me. An adult could just look at me in that way and I would know better. I also kept in line in school because I was afraid of getting into trouble or looking stupid I front of my classmates.
Discipline is usually not a big issue, I try to be very authoritative but not terrifying. 90% of the time my discipline techniques work. His emotional flare ups are very frequent though. He's easily offended and very sensitive. Not sure if its related to his sun moon sign combo?
Posted by Scorpiorabbit
My mom would hit me with a sack of oranges.
Wait...maybe....that's what's wrong with me?


LOLZ! Not oranges though!
Posted by Scorpio72
I dated a Capricorn and he was just as sarcastic as me! Lol They can be real jerks. Discipline him based on his moon sign. I have an aquarius moon. It didnt take much to discipline me. An adult could just look at me in that way and I would know better. I also kept in line in school because I was afraid of getting into trouble or looking stupid I front of my classmates.


we can be real jerks????????????????








































Posted by ellessque
what does the rest of his chart look like?


Sun in Scorpio
Ascendant in Sagittarius
Moon in Capricorn
Mercury in Libra
Venus in Sagittarius
Mars in Scorpio
Jupiter in Capricorn
Saturn in Virgo
Uranus in Pisces
Neptune in Aquarius
Pluto in Sagittarius
scorched, your avi makes me feel towards vegetables what 'Slaughterhouse' made me feel towards farm animals.
Posted by Livibowyah
His moon sign is in Capricorn. He's 4 and very mature for his age, sarcastic, observant and not easily impressed (everyone describes him as a grown man). As his mother (Leo sun cancer moon) I'm the ONLY person he listens too or shows respect for (he's not disrespectful, but it's obvious when you do not have his respect). His temper is kind of frightening at times and its hard to get him to come down from it. I've read that when disciplining Scorpio children it is best to give strict discipline accompanied with a love afterwards.


He's 4!! This is a learned behavior ur putting too much psychological emphasis on him! His brain isn't even developed enough to be manipulative or to have a real temper. If ur son is acting up it's because of the way ur raising him! I'm a Scorpio with a Cappy moon too & if I ever acted that way I'd get my ass handed to me no matter what my sign is!
Posted by SatoriFierce
Posted by ScorpioChica
Posted by Livibowyah
His moon sign is in Capricorn. He's 4 and very mature for his age, sarcastic, observant and not easily impressed (everyone describes him as a grown man). As his mother (Leo sun cancer moon) I'm the ONLY person he listens too or shows respect for (he's not disrespectful, but it's obvious when you do not have his respect). His temper is kind of frightening at times and its hard to get him to come down from it. I've read that when disciplining Scorpio children it is best to give strict discipline accompanied with a love afterwards.


He's 4!! This is a learned behavior ur putting too much psychological emphasis on him! His brain isn't even developed enough to be manipulative or to have a real temper. If ur son is acting up it's because of the way ur raising him! I'm a Scorpio with a Cappy moon too & if I ever acted that way I'd get my ass handed to me no matter what my sign is!


Bullshit.
You've must not have ever met a naturally strong-willed child before. I raised my Aries little brother and he nearly killed me. They are born ready to challenge you and every adult in their lives at every turn.
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U obviously confirmed what I stated, ur lil brother lost his mom unfortunately at a very early age & this did affect him no matter if u wanna acknowledge this or not. Children bond with their mothers from the womb & there after, it's not the same cause u stepped in to be a surrogate mom. I'm sure there was a lot of other influencing factors which made ur lil brother intolerable. What u fail to see is all this disruption in his very young years influenced his character or personality. I'm sorry for the loss of your mom, understand that children aren't born bad or evil something has to be triggered for the brain to respond to outside stimulus in which ever way fits. The human brain isn't fully developed until the early 20's therefore a young child couldn't possibly know right from wrong unless we "train" or guide them from a very early age.
As per nature vs nurture...
Tell him to remove himself from the general area. He can rejoin the human race when he has better control of himself.
You're the parent, you have the control. Flip that round you have a little monster on your hands.

xoxo Mean and Heartless Mom
Posted by venusianbull
Tell him to remove himself from the general area. He can rejoin the human race when he has better control of himself.
You're the parent, you have the control. Flip that round you have a little monster on your hands.

xoxo Mean and Heartless Mom


Exactly!
Posted by SatoriFierce
My mother always took credit for my sister and I being such well-behaved kids until she witnessed my little brother. She was there are saw me being consistently firm with him and how much good it did. She didn't have to put in a fraction as much work into disciplining us. She only had to mention us being grounded and we would start to cry.
My brother, on the other hand, you could take every toy away from him, ground him from playing or birthday parties, put him in the corner etc. it didn't matter, nothing worked. He was determined to have things his way, and saw no reason why he shouldn't.
He is 17 now. I sent him to live with our Dad coming on 2 years ago after he repeatedly disobeyed his curfew and got us evicted from our place due to property damage and getting arrested for stealing a golf cart and riding it down the freeway. lmao. I know that's serious and I was furious at the time, but it's so stupid I can't help but laugh at it.
I hate to say it, but he is doing better now than he ever did before. It is mainly because our dad let's him do what he wants to do, he gives him the freedom he always wanted and he has proven that he can handle it. He hasn't gotten into any trouble since he moved out and is attending school, and got himself into Kung Fu classes that he really loves.
I know he is older now and so of course can handle more freedom, but I regret not trusting him with more earlier on. He always wanted the opportunity to prove how mature and responsible he was, and I didn't allow as much as I should have, so he acted out.
I'm not saying the O.P.'s Scorp child has behavior issues like this. Infact, she said that he only acts out to other adults but respects her.
I am only saying that you can't dismiss the O.P.'s experience and tell her that it is all her fault. Different approaches are needed for different kids, and they don't come with a handbook. So save the judgment, will ya?



Listen, there's ALWAYS a reason for EVERTHING, he's not showing respect or being "manipulative" isn't a damn gift or curse he was born with! U can try & debate this with me all night but I will win because I KNOW what I'm talking about & obviously u DON'T..I already dissected ur situation so stop ur bs comments about me applying my knowledge & life experiences on situations that are easy to diagnose. Teach ur kid how to respect all adul
Posted by SatoriFierce
It isn't easy being a kid. I hated it and I couldn't wait to grow up. I obeyed my mom early on, but I did challenge her quite a bit as I got older and did a lot of what I wanted behind her back.
I actually had problems with authority too, often arguing with other adults and teachers. I didn't want to fall in line, and I really respect my brother's independent spirit as well.
We need to teach our little independent souls how to live in the world, where to put that energy and not try to stifle it. It's a gift, really. Just to tell them to knock it off is going to make them angry and act out eventually.


Do u think ur the only child who rebelled?? Every kid does in their own way, how the parent responds dictates the severity of the episode. With puberty & teen pressures from friends & the media, who doesn't think their childhood was hard at times? If a parent disciplines with words along with actions this will help with decisions the child may make. My daughter went through her "phase" of acting out but I was stronger mentally & 10 steps ahead of her to combat her illogical thinking & reasonings. Now she comes to me before anyone else, no matter the topic. I started this from the time she left the womb & this is why I can speak on this with confidence. My daughter never disrespected anyone in her life & NOT because she we scared of me physically!
Posted by SatoriFierce
SC, this isn't about winning. This is supposed to be about helping the O.P. but all you've done is harshly blame and judge her.
Moving on...


Harshly blame & judge her?? Lmao u are too sensitive, grow up honey! Everything I say is true & I have the "balls" to say it...I don't sugar coat shit, ppl shouldn't ask complete strangers for advice then get overly emotional like u, when ppl don't kiss their ass & blame an innocent child as the sole problem! Take responsibility for ur child's actions & stop blaming astrology for their "flaws"
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Posted by Livibowyah
Discipline is usually not a big issue, I try to be very authoritative but not terrifying. 90% of the time my discipline techniques work. His emotional flare ups are very frequent though. He's easily offended and very sensitive. Not sure if its related to his sun moon sign combo?


I was kinda like this as a kid; super sensitive and took everything personally... I just mostly held it inside and let it hurt me until I really dealt with it in my late teens/early 20s. It's actually probably better that he is more outward with his emotions, especially for a Cap Moon.
I'm afraid that this is sort of just the way it will be for him, for a while anyway. He is still so young. I think he can be taught to not take himself so seriously. He is smart and mature you say, so he will probably understand earlier than most will.

He can be taught not to take himself so seriously?? Wtf is wrong with u? This child isn't even in kindergarten yet! He only cares about toys & cartoons/probably video games
I would just make him feel that he isn't alone and that you know what he is going through and you have his back. That understanding is more than most kids ever get and I'm sure it will really comfort him. Tell him his feelings of frustration are okay but help him learn healthy methods to deal with his feelings.
And just talk to him about his feelings like you would a little adult. He will appreciate the respect that he knows he deserves smile and he will learn to talk through things when he is upset instead of emotional over-reacting.
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This is ur resolution?? Talk to a 4 year old like a little adult?? A child with a immature undr developed brain?? Lmao don't have kids anytime soon please!!
I'm done bullying for the night, pls don't respond anymore to me Satorifierce it's redundant communicating with u lol
Posted by xygeneration
Actually satoris idea might work. Good communication is part of a child's good development.
It's either that or punishment. Disciplining=punishment


U don't talk to them like a lil adult, they wouldn't understand ur logic, ur the parent aka the adult aka the boss, that's it! There's no reasoning with a baby of 4 yrs on this planet vs an adult!
What's next? Tell the 4 year old that ur making her upset, mad or sad with ur behavior? Is a 4 yr old equipped with the maturity to understand these conversations to change or stop? Does anyone even remember when they were 4? God help us..
Posted by Kalean
As a scorp/cap moon, Communication was something i was really crap at and still am really. It'd probably be good to get your child involved in practical things so he can manifest his temper/sarcy energy into something more productive smile.
Posted by xygeneration
Every child is different and that's my opinion. I wouldn't underestimate children. They are the most intelligent little people next to scientiss/scholars.
Whst is the appropriate age to assist a child in his/her development, teach'em young.
The parent has to develop good communication skills with child and that comes with practice. The parent has to find the right tactics, the most effective communication.




Exactly but the parent has to be firm & not speak too mature, too many parents talk to their children like they're grown. Then don't understand where they went wrong in raising them, younger years should be focused on teaching right from wrong with strict firmness, just because that's the way it is early on, the as the child gets older & begins to socialize more with others like in school then the parent can address the reasoning aspect with lil emphasis, nothing too deep cause again the child won't understand yet, this method can be adjusted to age appropriateness. As the child gets older & understands cause & effect better then the parents can delve deeper with the discipline as per the child's understanding with right & wrongs. The balance is important!
Children in the present are exposed to way too much crap from an early age & this tends to disrupt parts of the brains development & can cause behavioral problems later in adolescence or maybe sooner, there's no way to decipher the brain, to this day the brain is still a mystery in it's abilities
Perhaps you could spend more time exclusively with him, and be patient. Any child with emotional problems needs thoughtful nurturing. If he really is wise beyond his years and sensitive, you will grow on him gradually, and respect will follow. Once you settle into this rhythm, you could talk to him about his behaviour - tactfully. It will take time, but he'll change.
Posted by ScorpioChica

He's 4!!...ur putting too much psychological emphasis on him! His brain isn't even developed enough to be manipulative or to have a real temper.


I don't know if that is entirely true.
Posted by ScorpioChica

If ur son is acting up it's because of the way ur raising him!...if I ever acted that way I'd get my ass handed to me no matter what my sign is!
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Agreed.
Posted by ScorpioChica
U obviously confirmed what I stated, ur lil brother lost his mom unfortunately at a very early age & this did affect him no matter if u wanna acknowledge this or not. Children bond with their mothers from the womb & there after, it's not the same cause u stepped in to be a surrogate mom. I'm sure there was a lot of other influencing factors which made ur lil brother intolerable. What u fail to see is all this disruption in his very young years influenced his character or personality. I'm sorry for the loss of your mom, understand that children aren't born bad or evil something has to be triggered for the brain to respond to outside stimulus in which ever way fits. The human brain isn't fully developed until the early 20's therefore a young child couldn't possibly know right from wrong unless we "train" or guide them from a very early age.


A lot of what you are saying is correct. However we develop our internal working models as early as 18 months (based on our attachement to a caregiver-- it doesn't have to be the biological mother)and this shapes how we see ourselves, others and how we relate to them. We always take an "active" role in shaping our relationships with other people--even infants. "Push and pull" (e.g. temperament, style , demeanor). Now add astrology into the mix. If you now have a guardian or adult figure that does not know how to relate to a child in a way that fits/supports/gently shifts this model you then have a problem on your hands. As people continue to interact with the child and he/she pushes in a certain way and adults react it reinforces or challenges his/her working model.
Posted by xygeneration
Every child is different and that's my opinion. I wouldn't underestimate children. They are the most intelligent little people next to scientiss/scholars.
Whst is the appropriate age to assist a child in his/her development, teach'em young.
The parent has to develop good communication skills with child and that comes with practice. The parent has to find the right tactics, the most effective communication.




True, good communication is necessary, but you still have to know your audience. A child does not have the capacity to understand the logic of an adult; the brain structure is not developed yet for reasoning. Sure there are children that develop faster than others, but they still have to go through a stage of development. You can respond and communicate with a 4 year old sure, but not like you would an adult.
Posted by ScorpioChica
Children in the present are exposed to way too much crap from an early age & this tends to disrupt parts of the brains development & can cause behavioral problems later in adolescence or maybe sooner, there's no way to decipher the brain, to this day the brain is still a mystery in it's abilities


+1
Posted by xygeneration
Well that is part of good communication, finding out how to get your message across whether your audience is adult or child.



Agreed. I wasn't suggesting that you meant a person should talk to a child as an adult. Your post was just a good starting point for mine.
I need a cup of tea.....
Yup!
Kids test, kids push and they are always seeking boundaries. Give them what they need.
You do not dazzle them with questions or try to rationalize their feelings, a lot of the times there isn't one. We as parents are the gate keepers to pure impulse.
Give them tools, not manipulation launching pads.




Posted by Scorpiorabbit
My opinion?
I'm the adult, you're the child, you do what I ask you to. Period. Pretty simple.
There's far too much coddling these days.
I have a 16 year old with all sorts of behavioral problems that my wife and I adopted. It works with him


Too true!
Posted by Scorpiorabbit
My opinion?
I'm the adult, you're the child, you do what I ask you to. Period. Pretty simple.
There's far too much coddling these days.
I have a 16 year old with all sorts of behavioral problems that my wife and I adopted. It works with him



Hey everyone... check this out - "I am the adult, you're the child, you do what I "ASK" you to"
looks left, looks right....
Rabbit, go easy on you're kid... you might kill him.
To hell with my punctuation!
Big Grin
Posted by xygeneration
Has your kids ever complained to you that something isn't fair? That the other sibling gets this or that, but not him/her?
Life isnt fair bc some people are advantaged, some have a disability and cant do certain things. Life isnt fair bc we cant do all the things another one can do.
Being different isn't a bad thing and its impossible to be fair if people are different.



IMHO, those who are disabled or deformed should be treated with respect by those who are not.
Able bodied should care for the disabled body.
That's not reality. Only what I think should be.
The hell with kids, how about we ignore them until they're old enough to pay some bills lmao
Posted by SatoriFierce
To the OP: What would be really good in the future is maybe some kind of leadership school or class where the Scorp could have some kind of responsibility he could be proud of. You could also give him small jobs now that would give him a sense of independence and pride. That way he wouldn't feel resentful of the freedom and power adults have or the need to challenge other adults so much.


I think that would definitely benefit him. I'm looking into different activities to get him involved in to redirect his energy. I appreciate you not being judgmental and understanding my point of view. I know I've done all I can do as a parent but everyone has their own unique personality.
Everything, stated I do. I keep him engaged with nature, we read books, do chores together, everything is absolutely perfect...until more people come into the equation. He holds the up most respect for me that is not the problem at all. I'm no Ergh, I suppose I should have elaborated that this is more dealing with his intense emotions, and believe me, I'm a cancer moon I know all about these. Like for example, his Aquarius(pisces moon) aunt and him have an almost love hate relationship, he adores her, but does not respect her basically because she has made life super easy for him (gives into his every request) just recently she has tried to put her foot down & he's not having it. His father is the same way (cancer sun Aries moon). I think he's confused on how to conduct himself. I'm not in desperate need, and am in no way at my wits end. Was just curious as to how other have dealt with willful little scorpions and seeking some different methods (:
When my son was 3 or 4, he was also very willful, threw fits, etc. But he's not a Scorpio, he's a Libra, though he also a Capricorn moon. All small children do that. They all have their moments. When he was little and threw a fit, I just used to ignore him. I literally used to let him throw tantrums wherever he was in the house and I would walk away, put on headphones and let him scream and carry on. Over time he realized that he wasn't getting any attention from it and he stopped doing it.
At age 9, he is very happy-go-lucky, and hardly ever angry.
These Cap moon boys are very stubborn and willful, however, and they are perfectionists. I see it in my (Scorp sun) Cap moon boyfriend too, he and my son are birds of a feather, lol. They will freak out when they can't do something the way they want it done, they want it perfect, and if they cannot do it perfectly they will throw an enormous fit.
When that happens, I remove my son from the situation. I tell him it is not healthy for him to get so upset over whatever it is (usually a video game) and I make him do something else. If he carries on, he needs to throw his fit in his room. I tell him it is okay for him to have a fit, we all do sometimes, but I don't have to listen to or watch it. Usually while in his room, he draws pictures, he comes out when he is ready and all is okay. This also works when he is upset about something. My son is so well trained by this method that he usually will automatically go to his room when upset, he slams the door, he comes out with a picture when he is ready.
My friends son is a Scorpio who has behaviour problems. He was living with his Pisces mom and doing horrible in school...and I mean horrible, but from how my friend explains it...it sounded like the moms fault. She would basically reward him when he was out of control, and he knew he could do whatever and get whatever.
Well he's in my friends hands now. He lives with him and he's already improved a great deal in school. He doesnt get anything unless its earned and my friend make sure to talk to his teachers daily on his progress.
You have to be extremely firm with some kids.
Posted by capgirl69
When my son was 3 or 4, he was also very willful, threw fits, etc. But he's not a Scorpio, he's a Libra, though he also a Capricorn moon. All small children do that. They all have their moments. When he was little and threw a fit, I just used to ignore him. I literally used to let him throw tantrums wherever he was in the house and I would walk away, put on headphones and let him scream and carry on. Over time he realized that he wasn't getting any attention from it and he stopped doing it.
At age 9, he is very happy-go-lucky, and hardly ever angry.
These Cap moon boys are very stubborn and willful, however, and they are perfectionists. I see it in my (Scorp sun) Cap moon boyfriend too, he and my son are birds of a feather, lol. They will freak out when they can't do something the way they want it done, they want it perfect, and if they cannot do it perfectly they will throw an enormous fit.
When that happens, I remove my son from the situation. I tell him it is not healthy for him to get so upset over whatever it is (usually a video game) and I make him do something else. If he carries on, he needs to throw his fit in his room. I tell him it is okay for him to have a fit, we all do sometimes, but I don't have to listen to or watch it. Usually while in his room, he draws pictures, he comes out when he is ready and all is okay. This also works when he is upset about something. My son is so well trained by this method that he usually will automatically go to his room when upset, he slams the door, he comes out with a picture when he is ready.


This is my son exactly! Basically a super perfectionist and very controlling! I've been trying a mixture of methods and so far the doing chores in exchange for something (money, park, etc) has been the most successful. Also, sitting down and calmly explaining why he can't always get his way has worked as well.
Posted by Livibowyah
Posted by capgirl69
When my son was 3 or 4, he was also very willful, threw fits, etc. But he's not a Scorpio, he's a Libra, though he also a Capricorn moon. All small children do that. They all have their moments. When he was little and threw a fit, I just used to ignore him. I literally used to let him throw tantrums wherever he was in the house and I would walk away, put on headphones and let him scream and carry on. Over time he realized that he wasn't getting any attention from it and he stopped doing it.
At age 9, he is very happy-go-lucky, and hardly ever angry.
These Cap moon boys are very stubborn and willful, however, and they are perfectionists. I see it in my (Scorp sun) Cap moon boyfriend too, he and my son are birds of a feather, lol. They will freak out when they can't do something the way they want it done, they want it perfect, and if they cannot do it perfectly they will throw an enormous fit.
When that happens, I remove my son from the situation. I tell him it is not healthy for him to get so upset over whatever it is (usually a video game) and I make him do something else. If he carries on, he needs to throw his fit in his room. I tell him it is okay for him to have a fit, we all do sometimes, but I don't have to listen to or watch it. Usually while in his room, he draws pictures, he comes out when he is ready and all is okay. This also works when he is upset about something. My son is so well trained by this method that he usually will automatically go to his room when upset, he slams the door, he comes out with a picture when he is ready.


This is my son exactly! Basically a super perfectionist and very controlling! I've been trying a mixture of methods and so far the doing chores in exchange for something (money, park, etc) has been the most successful. Also, sitting down and calmly explaining why he can't always get his way has worked as well.
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Money? as in "Here kid, go pay the toll and play on the turnpike for a few hours."
When my mom offers advice to parents of little Scorps, she tells them, "You have to look them in the eye whenever you speak to them. Look right back at them when they try to stare you down. Make your [Scorpio kid] look you in the eyes so they know you're not intimidated and that you mean business."

Personally, I follow that advice in general- with adults and kids especially. I get on their level and look them in the eyes, unless I know eye contact with adults goes against their cultural norms.

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