Scorpio Prohibitum Luxuria

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by Montgomery on Sunday, June 23, 2013 and has 31 replies.
Scorpio Prohibitum Luxuria

I have noticed that many Scorpios (certainly not all), both on DXP and in the real world, want to be with people that, for some reason, are not quite able to be with them.
Not in the traditional sense, anyway.

It could be a person who is already married, a different sexual orientation, possibly on the other side of the world-- too old for you/too young for you-- doesn't matter.
You will pursue them, even in the face of (almost!) certain heartbreak.

And it confounds me.

I would like to believe that it's a case of "the heart wants what the heart wants"-- but I'm not so sure I believe it is that simple.
Nor do I believe that it is only the lure of the "forbidden".

There is no offense intended, of course-- more often than not, the other half of the equation is an L -E -O.

Anyone care to shed some light on this mystery?

Thanks smile

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If not evolved we allow the fixed nature of our ego, blind all our ration, logic and thoughts, hindering ourselves from sanity, whilst our emotions take us over for a spin that is more often than not, hardly worthwhile. So fixed is our determination at times, we get lost, stubbornness in fact. It hardly helps when one is ruled by Pluto and Mars, pain/death/rebirth/lose are merely parts of who we are, our make up, hence why we do seemingly stupid and foolish things, at least it may seem so on the surface to most but more often than not it leaves us to re-build ourselves after a state of heavy catharsis. Through all of it, we do come out changed, a change that we were dragged through but entirely necessary because we carry layers of waste around us, a diamond unpolished. All these trials and tribulations only help us on our journey there.
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Posted by ellessque
I don't think I've seen a single thread about a scorpio going after someone who is already married.
That is very disrespectful....and respect is something scorpios put at the top of almost every list.


Oh Elle, we are hardly the self-righteous kind.
There are quite a few disrespectful Stingers in which I have known, they would shock even the Mermaids in what they are willing to do and go beyond.
Though on a general whole, respect is one of the key aspect within our species, though our brand of respect may not be a one size fit for all.
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Posted by ellessque
(I am the self-righteous kind, btw Big Grin)


Takes my Pincers out, launches an attack, to straighten out your Half-Stag/Half-Man and Balancer/Doormat bits, whilst batting away your Rammy Moon.
There, now you shall regain your Stinger badge Big Grin
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Posted by ellessque
okay. *facepalm*
I just looked her up on mugshotsonline.com (LOL)....and I probably shouldn't have done that. Tongue
She's there. Under a charge for "fleeing". smh. Granted, it was over 10 years ago...but that picture of her trumped the one that was etched in my brain. LOL
Sometimes I should just leave things alone as they are. Big Grin


Sometimes our investigative skills and curiosity should better be laid to rest Elle Tongue
Are you saying she looks even better, even in a mug shot?!
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Posted by TheLadyScorpio
If not evolved we allow the fixed nature of our ego, blind all our ration, logic and thoughts, hindering ourselves from sanity, whilst our emotions take us over for a spin that is more often than not, hardly worthwhile. So fixed is our determination at times, we get lost, stubbornness in fact. It hardly helps when one is ruled by Pluto and Mars, pain/death/rebirth/lose are merely parts of who we are, our make up, hence why we do seemingly stupid and foolish things, at least it may seem so on the surface to most but more often than not it leaves us to re-build ourselves after a state of heavy catharsis. Through all of it, we do come out changed, a change that we were dragged through but entirely necessary because we carry layers of waste around us, a diamond unpolished. All these trials and tribulations only help us on our journey there.


Can't but admire how you have narrowed it down, LadyScorpio. Most effectively, I found, the heightend word choice. Suits me.
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Posted by FUM
Posted by TheLadyScorpio
If not evolved we allow the fixed nature of our ego, blind all our ration, logic and thoughts, hindering ourselves from sanity, whilst our emotions take us over for a spin that is more often than not, hardly worthwhile. So fixed is our determination at times, we get lost, stubbornness in fact. It hardly helps when one is ruled by Pluto and Mars, pain/death/rebirth/lose are merely parts of who we are, our make up, hence why we do seemingly stupid and foolish things, at least it may seem so on the surface to most but more often than not it leaves us to re-build ourselves after a state of heavy catharsis. Through all of it, we do come out changed, a change that we were dragged through but entirely necessary because we carry layers of waste around us, a diamond unpolished. All these trials and tribulations only help us on our journey there.


Can't but admire how you have narrowed it down, LadyScorpio. Most effectively, I found, the heightend word choice. Suits me.

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My pleasure FUM, glad to hear another Stinger relating to it, so it shows others, it does not exist as merely my own fragment of understanding. Your posts are missed around these parts, do kindly visit more often.
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Montgomery,
I will talk from my own experience. I never run after a guy. He chooses me and I put him into a category: friend - attraction - serious - no future for all of the above.
I pretty much know from the start and I prefer to keep my choice of friends in small doses.
EMPATHY is my weakness. If the man shows me utter LOVE (without expecting anything in return) and has the ability to continue this for a prolonged period of time -- BECAUSE I WILL TEST HIM for his sustainability, then I will do foolish things and might get hurt badly in the end, if he changes his mind (or is suddenly unsure).
EMPATHY blinds me. I forget following my standards that actually keep me away from my time and efforts to be wasted. I have more important things to figure about life than fall for some emotional drama.
Choosing someone who is unavailable, be it marital status, emotional blockage or someone who can't even make a friend to me, is completely out of question.
1- If the person choses me...
2- and he was able to start up in my "Friends" category.
3- sustained because he believes he loves me or there is something that keeps us going
4- I believe I can now evaluate my feelings for him
5- YES, there is the possibility I can give free reign
6- (this is the tricky part): he has found a way to trigger my sympathy/empathy in one form or another
7- NOW I'm confusing loving him or if I just want to hold his hand so he can continue his journey to life
8- Let's say he is married, loves me and I'm friend to him. I still don't want drama, but I'm OK with his love, if that is required for him to function.
9- I figure I love him back, I will NOT take a step towards destroying his life.
10- he may succeed giving me a fully blown heartbreak if he changes his mind or suddenly turns unsure for it was his EGO and not his true feelings (whatever reason)... NOW my tower of trust collapses.
How many would be able to jump through all these hoops?
So I will oppose your theory on a Scorpio wanting to be with someone who is unavailable.

You certainly gave me something to evaluate and think about. Thank you for starting up this thread smile


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Excellent post Fum, and entirely true.
Empathy is the singular 'weakness' so to speak that would draw our selves to do utter ridiculous things and take upon unnecessary choices. Oh, how it has ruined one in the past, to be aware enough to separate our empathy from our true depths of feelings is a true lesson within itself.
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Posted by FUM
Montgomery,
I will talk from my own experience. I never run after a guy. He chooses me and I put him into a category: friend - attraction - serious - no future for all of the above.
I pretty much know from the start and I prefer to keep my choice of friends in small doses.
EMPATHY is my weakness. If the man shows me utter LOVE (without expecting anything in return) and has the ability to continue this for a prolonged period of time -- BECAUSE I WILL TEST HIM for his sustainability, then I will do foolish things and might get hurt badly in the end, if he changes his mind (or is suddenly unsure).
EMPATHY blinds me. I forget following my standards that actually keep me away from my time and efforts to be wasted. I have more important things to figure about life than fall for some emotional drama.
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So I will oppose your theory on a Scorpio wanting to be with someone who is unavailable.

You certainly gave me something to evaluate and think about. Thank you for starting up this thread smile


First things first--
Clarification: I wouldn't put you in this category to begin with-- he was quite available when you met, iirc, and I haven't seen that you've been "in pursuit" in any way.
Quite the contrary, from what you have said.
I'm sorry if it appeared otherwise, but I don't see that this question could really apply to you. smile
Tbh, it is based on an ongoing "drama" in my own world that has resurrected itself, and as I said in the OP-- it confounds me.
I thought it had been put to rest; it hasn't.

Which is frustrating for this Leo-- again, apologies.

-M.
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Posted by TheLadyScorpio
If not evolved we allow the fixed nature of our ego, blind all our ration, logic and thoughts, hindering ourselves from sanity, whilst our emotions take us over for a spin that is more often than not, hardly worthwhile. So fixed is our determination at times, we get lost, stubbornness in fact. It hardly helps when one is ruled by Pluto and Mars, pain/death/rebirth/lose are merely parts of who we are, our make up, hence why we do seemingly stupid and foolish things, at least it may seem so on the surface to most but more often than not it leaves us to re-build ourselves after a state of heavy catharsis. Through all of it, we do come out changed, a change that we were dragged through but entirely necessary because we carry layers of waste around us, a diamond unpolished. All these trials and tribulations only help us on our journey there.



Thank you for taking the question seriously.
The "fixed determination" is something to behold, indeed.
But this makes more sense to me than the synopses we find online regarding "intensity"-- which seems an overly-simplified explanation and terribly trite, considering the nature of the Sign.

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio
Excellent post Fum, and entirely true.
Empathy is the singular 'weakness' so to speak that would draw our selves to do utter ridiculous things and take upon unnecessary choices. Oh, how it has ruined one in the past, to be aware enough to separate our empathy from our true depths of feelings is a true lesson within itself.


Thank you, love. smile
What I remember from being age 13 and my decision was, "If I start feeling empathy for a friend, I better detach myself".
It may sound harsh to some, but I don't know what it is. It has proven me all too often not to take that route again. I'll go through thick and thin with you, fight for you even behind your back, but if somehow using my feelings to get close to me, and only to satisfy oneself's self-righteous needs, usually doesn't end well. I'd say, while I sink, I will hold onto your collar and you will experience my pain.
This is worse case scenario of course. Winking

Dear Lord... thankfully doesn't happen often. Maybe once every decade or more.
Otherwise my worse punishment would be just detaching myself.
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Montgomery smile
no no no... I never took your comment upon me. I didn't see your OP as finger pointed at me. Your post gave me a chance to analyze myself. At the same time, I hoped to clarify that we do not choose drama. It so happens, as it takes us long until we 'let you in', we also don't let go of you so easily. Unless... we never had you in first place.
So all is very good, sweety.
I haven't been on DXP often. My apologies for missing any relevant posts about you and your Scorpio man relation.
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Posted by seraph
All you really need is an Air Venus.
*hugs his Venus in Gem*
*opens a beer*


I'm usually not proud of my Venus in Libra... talking of Venus in Air.
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/> @ellessque
I'm a little confused by this statement:
Posted by ellessque
I don't think I've seen a single thread about a scorpio going after someone who is already married.
That is very disrespectful....and respect is something scorpios put at the top of almost every list.


How so?
Posted by ellessque
I'm just saying it's not as commmon as, perhaps, a gemini or sag....no offense to them....just seems more in that character make up.
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Like this? ^ lol

I don't think so. smile
I made it clear that my question was in reference to my experience, both on DXP and in the real world.
My wording implied only hypotheticals-- and while I am delighted that you have no knowledge of infidelity on the part of Scorpios, I have witnessed otherwise.
But that isn't the point of the thread; it's irrelevant.
As I have already stated in the OP, there was no offense intended.
I'm baffled that you chose to personalize it.
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Posted by Montgomery
Scorpio Prohibitum Luxuria

I have noticed that many Scorpios (certainly not all), both on DXP and in the real world, want to be with people that, for some reason, are not quite able to be with them.
Not in the traditional sense, anyway.

It could be a person who is already married, a different sexual orientation, possibly on the other side of the world-- too old for you/too young for you-- doesn't matter.
You will pursue them, even in the face of (almost!) certain heartbreak.

And it confounds me.

I would like to believe that it's a case of "the heart wants what the heart wants"-- but I'm not so sure I believe it is that simple.
Nor do I believe that it is only the lure of the "forbidden".

There is no offense intended, of course-- more often than not, the other half of the equation is an L -E -O.

Anyone care to shed some light on this mystery?

Thanks smile




Argh! In light of this am such a totally predictable scorpio... especially where those L-E-O's are concerned.
I would also like to unravel and learn from this peculiarity of ours.
Think the fixed aspect and the rebirth are extremely valid points... (I won't give you up, and if your love for me has died in this instance it will surely rebound in a purer sense next?!)Scorp's might be intense and somewhat fatalistic, but at least you know we care (sometimes too much!).
I'm still learning all this astro stuff Winking but there was another interesting thread about the Mars and Venus aspect... I'm a Libra venus so just want/ need love in any shape. I have discovered I am also more tolerant towards non-traditional relationships because of this influence too! Add in a Sagittarius Mars and (I think) it brings a very militant refusal to conceive of failure.
However I am going to hope that my Aquarian ascendant will help me to consider all aspects of the other person and not just behave in my usual predictable way! As above I've had a non conventional relationship with a pretty broken Leo, and am just now trying to distance myself so that I don't get anymore involved and/or possibly hurt and also to give him the space that he really needs.
Learning, growing, evolving (hopefully!) smile
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Posted by FUM
Posted by seraph
All you really need is an Air Venus.
*hugs his Venus in Gem*
*opens a beer*


I'm usually not proud of my Venus in Libra... talking of Venus in Air.
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FUM- food for thought, it actually sounds quite a lucky/ lovely aspect (pardon the pun)! Haven't watched the Alyssa Sharpe one yet though...
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uff..
I went through millions emotions within 10 minutes. That's hard to take.
First video. AMAZING! This guy truly knows.
Second video... perhaps you need to start from time zero, but it became more intense to me at time 3 minutes.
Anyone wondering even the simple fact of love.. has to watch this. Anyone wondering.. wth.. why should I love? .. love bove crap.... put on your raincoat and get ready for the rain.
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I think this monster moon is wearing down my ability to stand straight.
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Didn't know Jennifer Lopez sang... If you had my love
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So Leo of her..
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elle.. you know how close I'm to you.
You may not, but let me affirm.
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kinda sharing pains with my cousin.
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LOL

strawberry it is...
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Posted by ellessque
I wasn't personalizing it. I was just recounting my experience.
I wasn't even offended.


Maybe I wasn't clear.
I'm really not concerned with whether or not you were offended; I am.
You're rude, and you have derailed my thread.
Savvy?

Posted by ellessque
my personal opinion...
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I understand that you said it was disrespectful for me to even suggest that there was ever a Scorpio who engaged in some sort of infidelity--
-- based on your DXP Experience.

Further, I don't care about your personal opinion on infidelity, inside or outside Scorpio circles--
-- for the 2nd time, that isn't what this thread is about.

You've derailed, once already-- and now I've got this useless sidebar with you, distracting it further.
If you have anything intelligent to add, in keeping with the OP, please-- feel free to share.
Otherwise, I'd rather not waste my time catering to inconsiderate, hothouse flowers, like yourself, who want to turn my topics into their own, personal social forum.

Maybe you would like to tie your "... scorpio female story....(LOL)" into this thread?
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Posted by Montgomery

Anyone care to shed some light on this mystery?

Thanks smile




The only mystery you may need to figure out is what it is you are doing to attract or even be bothered by people as you described. To put all Scorps into your definition tells me you have no clue about Scorps.
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~correction~To put all Scorps - "many Scorps"
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Posted by LetltB
Posted by Montgomery

Anyone care to shed some light on this mystery?

Thanks smile




The only mystery you may need to figure out is what it is you are doing to attract or even be bothered by people as you described. To put all Scorps into your definition tells me you have no clue about Scorps.
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What "definition"?
I wasn't aware that I had defined Scorpios in this thread-- or anywhere, for that matter "LetitBe".
Could you include that quote of mine in your response?
Thanks!

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Posted by ellessque
I understand that you said it was disrespectful for me to even suggest that there was ever a Scorpio who engaged in some sort of infidelity--
that is not what I said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
but at this point, it doesn't matter, because you've already made your conclusions about me.


Nonsense.
Even if we give you the benefit of the doubt, you still honed in one thing: infidelity-- which wasn't the point of thread.
Unless you want me to believe that you somehow did not understand the point, I'll be happy to grant that you just didn't know any better.
If you did understand the point, then the fact remains that you pretended to get the vapors at the very mention of such things--
Posted by ellessque
*typical leo*


--and therefore, took the liberty of turning the thread into the "Ellessque Show".

Posted by ellessque
have a good day!
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Oh, I did-- I'm a LEO. Winking
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Posted by LilliLou
Posted by Montgomery
Scorpio Prohibitum Luxuria

I have noticed that many Scorpios (certainly not all), both on DXP and in the real world, want to be with people that, for some reason, are not quite able to be with them.
Not in the traditional sense, anyway.

It could be a person who is already married, a different sexual orientation, possibly on the other side of the world-- too old for you/too young for you-- doesn't matter.
You will pursue them, even in the face of (almost!) certain heartbreak.

And it confounds me.

I would like to believe that it's a case of "the heart wants what the heart wants"-- but I'm not so sure I believe it is that simple.
Nor do I believe that it is only the lure of the "forbidden".

There is no offense intended, of course-- more often than not, the other half of the equation is an L -E -O.

Anyone care to shed some light on this mystery?

Thanks smile




Argh! In light of this am such a totally predictable scorpio... especially where those L-E-O's are concerned.
I would also like to unravel and learn from this peculiarity of ours.
Think the fixed aspect and the rebirth are extremely valid points... (I won't give you up, and if your love for me has died in this instance it will surely rebound in a purer sense next?!) Scorp's might be intense and somewhat fatalistic, but at least you know we care (sometimes too much!).
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(I'm sorry I missed this, LilliLou)
I really like that quality, though^-- as I'm sure all Leos do.
We can be just as guilty of that behavior, but (speaking only for myself) not all signs have that effect.
Then again, I have a Pisces moon, so I hitchhike on whatever the other person is feeling, most of the time.
So double the impact? Idk *shrugs*
Thanks smile

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I dont take interest in married men or someone elses boyfriend for that matter. but have loved deeply...sometimes til the point i felt sick literally. After realizing that i was beating myself up badly with mental torturw, i spent time alone to heal than became the pheonix that i was born to be.
fool me once...call me cra-cra
fool me twice...call me a retard. lol
there is no third strike out because that when all hell breaks loose...its either your azz or my sanity and im not losing my mind for nobody Winking
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