When I say "indifferent", I'm saying I never pressured him for marriage. If he wants to we can, I'm all for it but if he doesn't want to that is fine also.
Translator Please?
Posted by DoThatSaggie
... don't I define the way I want to be loved or not?
You apparently choose "not" since from what you've described, you lay back acting indifferent, waiting for him to decide.
But, the below is what really stands out ....
Posted by DoThatSaggie
He doesn't want intimacy with me because of the emotions, he rather be with others with no emotion he says. But frankly it's not about being with someone else.
click to expand
You don't seem to mind that he doesn't want to be intimate with you, in fact, you've made an excuse as to why it is acceptable to you, and you even say that it's not about him being with someone else.
The problem with your relationship is in the fact that you don't care, and that is paramount to a Scorpio. If you don't give a shit about his intimacy ... then you're yesterdays news.
Posted by P-AngelPosted by DoThatSaggie
... don't I define the way I want to be loved or not?
You apparently choose "not" since from what you've described, you lay back acting indifferent, waiting for him to decide.
But, the below is what really stands out ....
Posted by DoThatSaggie
He doesn't want intimacy with me because of the emotions, he rather be with others with no emotion he says. But frankly it's not about being with someone else.
You don't seem to mind that he doesn't want to be intimate with you, in fact, you've made an excuse as to why it is acceptable to you, and you even say that it's not about him being with someone else.
The problem with your relationship is in the fact that you don't care, and that is paramount to a Scorpio. If you don't give a shit about his intimacy ... then you're yesterdays news.click to expand
I didn't say this. This is what he told me himself. I do in fact mind but if we are not together what am I supposed to do, it's his decision. I'm questioning the reason being.
"He proclaims his love and states he knows he can't replace me or no one can fill my spot."
"He says maybe in the future we will get back together."
"He questioned if I really loved him"
"He doesn't want intimacy with me because of the emotions, he rather be with others with no emotion he says"
"He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone. A lot of things are going on in his life"
Translation: I don't love you anymore but I'm too much of a coward to tell you straight out so I'll try to make it as easy as possible for you, in fact I might even ask you to stay friends with me.
He said he loves me enough to let me go be happy with someone who will love me the way I deserve to be loved
The oldest one in the book!
he was the person to initiate the interest to marry me, I'm indifferent on it
And this is possibly one of the reason he fell out of love in the first place
"He says maybe in the future we will get back together."
"He questioned if I really loved him"
"He doesn't want intimacy with me because of the emotions, he rather be with others with no emotion he says"
"He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone. A lot of things are going on in his life"
Translation: I don't love you anymore but I'm too much of a coward to tell you straight out so I'll try to make it as easy as possible for you, in fact I might even ask you to stay friends with me.
He said he loves me enough to let me go be happy with someone who will love me the way I deserve to be loved
The oldest one in the book!
he was the person to initiate the interest to marry me, I'm indifferent on it
And this is possibly one of the reason he fell out of love in the first place
"Scorp man breaks off over 4 year relationship stating he don't want a girlfriend right now. He seems to want time to think and figure what's going on in his head.
Ok. He proclaims his love and states he knows he can't replace me or no one can fill my spot. My question is why break up then? He says maybe in the future we will get back together. Somehow it seems he has gotten scared and questioning did he choose me and is he supposed to really be single his whole life. Im the most consistent he says. I'm like, there were others, obviously you chose me, no one makes you do anything you don't want. Is he supposed to even have kids or marry. Yes, it's all very strange considering he was the person to initiate the interest to marry me, I'm indifferent on it. He always wanted kids with me. So basically, he has changed his views although nothing has changed. He is a confusing person. He questioned if I really loved him. I nearly wanted to choke him out! Are you crazy, why else would I be here for so long. He doesn't want intimacy with me because of the emotions, he rather be with others with no emotion he says. But frankly it's not about being with someone else. He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone. A lot of things are going on in his life. I suppose he trying to prove to himself that he can do things with out me because I help him in everything.
He said he loves me enough to let me go be happy with someone who will love me the way I deserve to be loved. He don't know how long it will take him to figure this out. I'm very confused, don't I define the way I want to be loved or not? I never felt he didn't love me, that is something I'm 100 on. So I randomly go see him and I can see the love in his actions as well as his eyes. He tries to be mean but he really can't keep it up with me. He knows I'm not buying it. I see right through it. So he is trying to get over me he says. This is very confusing. I'm like why, if you know I can't be replaced? He says that's the only way he can figure out what's going on in his mind.
Anyhow, any scorp males understand what is he afraid of? What is the crisis all about truly? Is he out his mind? What to do here? I can't wait forever but I don't want to move on too fast."
Ahem......
I AM a Scorpio Man.
Your story is very familiar.
Ok. He proclaims his love and states he knows he can't replace me or no one can fill my spot. My question is why break up then? He says maybe in the future we will get back together. Somehow it seems he has gotten scared and questioning did he choose me and is he supposed to really be single his whole life. Im the most consistent he says. I'm like, there were others, obviously you chose me, no one makes you do anything you don't want. Is he supposed to even have kids or marry. Yes, it's all very strange considering he was the person to initiate the interest to marry me, I'm indifferent on it. He always wanted kids with me. So basically, he has changed his views although nothing has changed. He is a confusing person. He questioned if I really loved him. I nearly wanted to choke him out! Are you crazy, why else would I be here for so long. He doesn't want intimacy with me because of the emotions, he rather be with others with no emotion he says. But frankly it's not about being with someone else. He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone. A lot of things are going on in his life. I suppose he trying to prove to himself that he can do things with out me because I help him in everything.
He said he loves me enough to let me go be happy with someone who will love me the way I deserve to be loved. He don't know how long it will take him to figure this out. I'm very confused, don't I define the way I want to be loved or not? I never felt he didn't love me, that is something I'm 100 on. So I randomly go see him and I can see the love in his actions as well as his eyes. He tries to be mean but he really can't keep it up with me. He knows I'm not buying it. I see right through it. So he is trying to get over me he says. This is very confusing. I'm like why, if you know I can't be replaced? He says that's the only way he can figure out what's going on in his mind.
Anyhow, any scorp males understand what is he afraid of? What is the crisis all about truly? Is he out his mind? What to do here? I can't wait forever but I don't want to move on too fast."
Ahem......
I AM a Scorpio Man.
Your story is very familiar.
Posted by Jynja
Wait. The relationship is done and over with, right? So all the talk is going nowhere?
Not exactly. He still is in contact with me.
To make sure this doesn't get sidetracked. I am questioning any idea on the behavior?. I don't want to move on just too fast and he is just having a "moment"
I guess you don't want a Scorpio MAN's translation, after all.
Women really know what's like to be a man, you know.
So you can ask them, if you want but... If... you change your mind, you can ask me.
Women really know what's like to be a man, you know.
So you can ask them, if you want but... If... you change your mind, you can ask me.
Posted by DoThatSaggiePosted by Jynja
Wait. The relationship is done and over with, right? So all the talk is going nowhere?
Not exactly. He still is in contact with me.click to expand
But, eventhough you know all those things have taken place .... you will still await his decision on whether you are worth him.
There seems to be no awareness on your part that your worth is dependent upon you.
No matter what he does to you, or says to you ... you will remain emotionally attached to him .. I guess because that's what females do .. they attach feelings, even when they are bad and/or unrealistic ones, and have absolutly no clue.
I mean seriously .. you even asked the question about .... doesn't what you want matter? ... when the actuality of this concept clearly flies right over head.
Once women catch feelings for a guy, they really are that stupid.
Posted by MrFirebird
I guess you don't want a Scorpio MAN's translation, after all.
Women really know what's like to be a man, you know.
So you can ask them, if you want but... If... you change your mind, you can ask me.
Sure, I've been waiting for your actual input.
Posted by DoThatSaggiePosted by MrFirebird
I guess you don't want a Scorpio MAN's translation, after all.
Women really know what's like to be a man, you know.
So you can ask them, if you want but... If... you change your mind, you can ask me.
Sure, I've been waiting for your actual input.click to expand
Very well, I will begin by saying.... I need a little time.....
Posted by MrFirebirdPosted by DoThatSaggiePosted by MrFirebird
I guess you don't want a Scorpio MAN's translation, after all.
Women really know what's like to be a man, you know.
So you can ask them, if you want but... If... you change your mind, you can ask me.
Sure, I've been waiting for your actual input.
Very well, I will begin by saying.... I need a little time.....
Ok. Also note the previous post of cheating was him playing mind games. He didn't ever cheat, just very mad at me and made it up.
"Ok. Also note the previous post of cheating was him playing mind games. He didn't ever cheat, just very mad at me and made it up."
Ok a clarification request at this time:
In your original post, you said:
"He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone."
Please elaborate and clarify that sentence, for me.
I will try to find that post about cheating/mind games in the meantime.
Posted by MrFirebird
"Ok. Also note the previous post of cheating was him playing mind games. He didn't ever cheat, just very mad at me and made it up."
Ok a clarification request at this time:
In your original post, you said:
"He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone."
Please elaborate and clarify that sentence, for me.
I will try to find that post about cheating/mind games in the meantime.
It's "He keeps mentioning not being obligated to anyone."
That seems to be a common term used for not wanting a relationship. It seems he has gotten into this thing about being selfish for himself, as if having a relationship hold too much work an obligation etc for him. We have been together for many years, he caused the complications in the relationship with making me upset. I learned later in the End were all games to make me mad an leave, why wouldnt he just leave before, well your guess is good as mine. he also expressed he felt I didn't care for him or whatever. I could choke him. He is trying to figure out why did he do that as well as why did he allow it to carry on so long.
Posted by DoThatSaggiePosted by MrFirebird
"Ok. Also note the previous post of cheating was him playing mind games. He didn't ever cheat, just very mad at me and made it up."
Ok a clarification request at this time:
In your original post, you said:
"He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone."
Please elaborate and clarify that sentence, for me.
I will try to find that post about cheating/mind games in the meantime.
It's "He keeps mentioning not being obligated to anyone."
That seems to be a common term used for not wanting a relationship. It seems he has gotten into this thing about being selfish for himself, as if having a relationship hold too much work an obligation etc for him. We have been together for many years, he caused the complications in the relationship with making me upset. I learned later in the End were all games to make me mad an leave, why wouldnt he just leave before, well your guess is good as mine. he also expressed he felt I didn't care for him or whatever. I could choke him. He is trying to figure out why did he do that as well as why did he allow it to carry on so long.click to expand
Specific Clarification Requested
what is Kee?
a drug—
Posted by MrFirebirdPosted by DoThatSaggiePosted by MrFirebird
"Ok. Also note the previous post of cheating was him playing mind games. He didn't ever cheat, just very mad at me and made it up."
Ok a clarification request at this time:
In your original post, you said:
"He does Kee mentioning not being obligated to anyone."
Please elaborate and clarify that sentence, for me.
I will try to find that post about cheating/mind games in the meantime.
It's "He keeps mentioning not being obligated to anyone."
That seems to be a common term used for not wanting a relationship. It seems he has gotten into this thing about being selfish for himself, as if having a relationship hold too much work an obligation etc for him. We have been together for many years, he caused the complications in the relationship with making me upset. I learned later in the End were all games to make me mad an leave, why wouldnt he just leave before, well your guess is good as mine. he also expressed he felt I didn't care for him or whatever. I could choke him. He is trying to figure out why did he do that as well as why did he allow it to carry on so long.
Specific Clarification Requested
what is Kee?
a drug—
click to expand
It's a typo. The word should be "keeps"
right over her head mr firebird, lol.
Ok thank you for the clarification.
At this time, I am considering/thinking/suspecting the following:
1) He loves you and cares about you and doesn't want to hurt you
2) He is trying to get you to leave him so he can deal with whatever it is he is facing.
"Find someone else who is better for you"
I'd put $ 500 down that says that he's
a)a closet queen/bi
b) a philanderer (friends with benefits)
c) someone who has a mission in life.
d) got religion and is trying to change his ways according to his faith.
e) simply downright scared of the responsibilities of a family.
f) he's joined the Intelligence Community
g) testing your commitment to the relationship
h) fill in the blank
He wants out of the relationship, but he wants you to be emotionally adjusted to break it
up, hence the head games, because he sincerely doesn't want to hurt you but he is ravaged
by his demons. You can try to save him or you can turn your back on him and go your own
separate ways.
You might use that list and ask him, IN PERSON, not over the phone or text, so you can see
how he reacts. The reaction in his expression that stands out the most is likely to be the one.
He may or may not confess.
Just be prepared to be hurt. But know the pain will subside at some point and whatever happens,
will happen, thereafter.
All I can say I am sorry to hear of your heartaches.
😢
At this time, I am considering/thinking/suspecting the following:
1) He loves you and cares about you and doesn't want to hurt you
2) He is trying to get you to leave him so he can deal with whatever it is he is facing.
"Find someone else who is better for you"
I'd put $ 500 down that says that he's
a)a closet queen/bi
b) a philanderer (friends with benefits)
c) someone who has a mission in life.
d) got religion and is trying to change his ways according to his faith.
e) simply downright scared of the responsibilities of a family.
f) he's joined the Intelligence Community
g) testing your commitment to the relationship
h) fill in the blank
He wants out of the relationship, but he wants you to be emotionally adjusted to break it
up, hence the head games, because he sincerely doesn't want to hurt you but he is ravaged
by his demons. You can try to save him or you can turn your back on him and go your own
separate ways.
You might use that list and ask him, IN PERSON, not over the phone or text, so you can see
how he reacts. The reaction in his expression that stands out the most is likely to be the one.
He may or may not confess.
Just be prepared to be hurt. But know the pain will subside at some point and whatever happens,
will happen, thereafter.
All I can say I am sorry to hear of your heartaches.
😢
Posted by MrFirebird
Ok thank you for the clarification.
At this time, I am considering/thinking/suspecting the following:
1) He loves you and cares about you and doesn't want to hurt you
2) He is trying to get you to leave him so he can deal with whatever it is he is facing.
"Find someone else who is better for you"
I'd put $ 500 down that says that he's
a)a closet queen/bi
b) a philanderer (friends with benefits)
c) someone who has a mission in life.
d) got religion and is trying to change his ways according to his faith.
e) simply downright scared of the responsibilities of a family.
f) he's joined the Intelligence Community
g) testing your commitment to the relationship
h) fill in the blank
He wants out of the relationship, but he wants you to be emotionally adjusted to break it
up, hence the head games, because he sincerely doesn't want to hurt you but he is ravaged
by his demons. You can try to save him or you can turn your back on him and go your own
separate ways.
You might use that list and ask him, IN PERSON, not over the phone or text, so you can see
how he reacts. The reaction in his expression that stands out the most is likely to be the one.
He may or may not confess.
Just be prepared to be hurt. But know the pain will subside at some point and whatever happens,
will happen, thereafter.
All I can say I am sorry to hear of your heartaches.
😢
Thank you for this FireBird.
Posted by DoThatSaggiePosted by MrFirebird
Ok thank you for the clarification.
At this time, I am considering/thinking/suspecting the following:
1) He loves you and cares about you and doesn't want to hurt you
2) He is trying to get you to leave him so he can deal with whatever it is he is facing.
"Find someone else who is better for you"
I'd put $ 500 down that says that he's
a)a closet queen/bi
b) a philanderer (friends with benefits)
c) someone who has a mission in life.
d) got religion and is trying to change his ways according to his faith.
e) simply downright scared of the responsibilities of a family.
f) he's joined the Intelligence Community
g) testing your commitment to the relationship
h) fill in the blank
He wants out of the relationship, but he wants you to be emotionally adjusted to break it
up, hence the head games, because he sincerely doesn't want to hurt you but he is ravaged
by his demons. You can try to save him or you can turn your back on him and go your own
separate ways.
You might use that list and ask him, IN PERSON, not over the phone or text, so you can see
how he reacts. The reaction in his expression that stands out the most is likely to be the one.
He may or may not confess.
Just be prepared to be hurt. But know the pain will subside at some point and whatever happens,
will happen, thereafter.
All I can say I am sorry to hear of your heartaches.
😢
Thank you for this FireBird.click to expand
You're welcomed.
Please just remember that not all Scorpios are the same.
And... try not to be indifferent. Try to join in the passion.
Do that and you're experiences can be even more positive.
Best wishes.
Posted by ellessque
this thread needs a translator for the translator.
ffs, i can't follow anything.
Im sorry Ellesque,
I try hard to be down to earth but as I've said it before, I just don't seem
to belong in this world.
IF I had someone that understood me, maybe... the message could get through.
Believe me, I have this problem wherever I go.
Sigh...
😢
Posted by R1g0rM0rT1s
right over her head mr firebird, lol.
Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by R1g0rM0rT1s
right over her head mr firebird, lol.
What...., is right over her head—
Posted by DoThatSaggie
... he caused the complications in the relationship with making me upset.
... why did he allow it to carry on so long.
click to expand
The fact that she is the director of her life. People will treat her the way she allows them to.
In everything she has said, she has taken zero responsibility. Look at the qutoes above (and there are many to choose from, and they all are the same) .....
1. because she got upset, eventhough she didn't participate in deciding her fate .. is his fault.
2. again, she leaves all fate of the relationship and terms of the relationship up to him .. and then complains of what he is allowing to happen, eventhough she doesn't participate in directionals.
Seriously, what a douchebag .. I can't image anyone wanting to deal with a whiny, emotionally irresponsible weasel like that
Posted by DoThatSaggie
When I say "indifferent", I'm saying I never pressured him for marriage. If he wants to we can, I'm all for it but if he doesn't want to that is fine also.
Here is a peculiar clue.
indifferent
Marriage is not something to be "Indifferent" about.
That "indifference" suggests you don't care either way when HE may care a LOT.
He may be hurt by the indifference in such a way he started the head games.
Example:
In his heart
"I love you, I want to marry you I want us to build a happy home and live the rest of our lives together."
Your Indifference Sent:
"I don't care, if you want to ok, if not ok, No big deal to me."
Indifference Signal Received:
You don't really care— It's BIG Deal to me!
Interpretation
"You don't really care"
Interpretation refined
"You don't care about me"
He may have been hurt by your indifference toward the subject of marriage which meant a lot more to him.
Let the headgames begin!
a) he has already come to terms that you don't care about him
b) he is actually trying to verify his suspicions that you really don't care (refined interpretation)
IMHO, you have a communications breakdown.
You need to reestablish that communication you had at the beginning and
clarify yourself.
DO YOU REALLY LOVE HIM—? Yes or no?
DO YOU WANT TO BE WITH HIM ALL YOUR DAYS— Yes or no?
He is willing to that way with you but your sending him mixed signals.
That's your Sagittarian flaw and it needs to come out like a rotten tooth.
He NEEDS REASSURANCE, not MIXED SIGNALS of Indifference.
Food for thought.
Posted by P-AngelPosted by R1g0rM0rT1s
right over her head mr firebird, lol.
Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by R1g0rM0rT1s
right over her head mr firebird, lol.
What...., is right over her head—
Posted by DoThatSaggie
... he caused the complications in the relationship with making me upset.
... why did he allow it to carry on so long.
The fact that she is the director of her life. People will treat her the way she allows them to.
In everything she has said, she has taken zero responsibility. Look at the qutoes above (and there are many to choose from, and they all are the same) .....
1. because she got upset, eventhough she didn't participate in deciding her fate .. is his fault.
2. again, she leaves all fate of the relationship and terms of the relationship up to him .. and then complains of what he is allowing to happen, eventhough she doesn't participate in directionals.
Seriously, what a douchebag .. I can't image anyone wanting to deal with a whiny, emotionally irresponsible weasel like thatclick to expand
^^^^^^^^
Hey hey, now, the names aren't necessary.
Yes, It appears as though my last reply may be closer to the truth but somewhat mixed with this reply.
It's all his fault I sent him mixed signals
Help, I don't understand why he is messing with my head?
I'm "indifferent" but what's wrong with that—
Sagittarians have their faults too.
They can be 100% wrong and everybody knows it but them.
Add stubborness to the equasion and what happens—?
Fulfilling an endless string of bad decision beads
from now until doomsday.
Their fellow sags are likely to get upset that I said that
it's a built-in babboonery that just breaks your heart and makes
you laugh until you cry.
I was right about the familiarity..... PAIN!
Hey hey, now, the names aren't necessary.
Yes, It appears as though my last reply may be closer to the truth but somewhat mixed with this reply.
It's all his fault I sent him mixed signals
Help, I don't understand why he is messing with my head?
I'm "indifferent" but what's wrong with that—
Sagittarians have their faults too.
They can be 100% wrong and everybody knows it but them.
Add stubborness to the equasion and what happens—?
Fulfilling an endless string of bad decision beads
from now until doomsday.
Their fellow sags are likely to get upset that I said that
it's a built-in babboonery that just breaks your heart and makes
you laugh until you cry.
I was right about the familiarity..... PAIN!
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