Troubles in Scorpland!!

Hey and greetings; I'm enterin' the dark realm with u scorps, and I'd like to get a little help in dealing with ya....See me, and my pop, have had a usually rocky relationship, and he wants me to talk more with him; says I'm...."to withdrawn" whatev, but then I TRY and talk to him about things, but I hesitate becuase of our history together, (been abusive mentally) and becuase of that, I find it hard to trust him....trust NEVER comes easy for me, and I 'test' him and his loyalties....he says 'stop playing head games'... and I get pissed off at him, drum up some of the cruelest things I can say, and we argue, and hate each other, then he apologizes!?!?! I'm confused....I love the guy, I just don't understand him....how do you trust someone whom you DON'T TRUST— Any Scorp guys here to deliberate? I guess it dosen't help any that I'm so explosive anyway...maybe it's me hehehe....

maybe that's why you are so rebellious against scorpios. you need to channel your energy towards your problems, now you deneied this when i said this to you a couple of weeks ago , now you are saying the same thing i said to you before. but the point is, remember my words. Virgos are nice push overs that are rebellious. You guys feel defeated at times and , you people over compensate for that. Now i KNOW AND understand how you feel but on the real , i can really help you if you are willing to be nice , respectful and do not try and transfer your defeated energy. honestly i don;t deserve drama. but i really feel that you need more than a scorpios perspective , you need a psychological opinion. honestly. it's beyond signs. remember genetics and environemtnal inflences and experiences plays a big part in how a person behaves. I have a mental health background,a bachelors, so if you need some help . lets go private , serioulsy, because real is real and sometimes you got to step outside of your sign box. I have a dad born in sep, virgo , who has done many hurtful things , so I understand how to step outside the sign box... plus maybe we can learn from one another, you want my help , just say the word, and we can go private.

I don't appreciate the disloyalty, and the lies; I can't stand it....say what you mean, and mean what you say!; I mean he acusses me of playing head games, but then gets all hot, and heavy on me, and appologizes, only in the end to keep me at a distance!?; I say 'why bother?' and he says 'becuase we are father and son'...I say, 'why is that at all relevant; the emotional wavelength between us is distorted, and to hi in amplitude...' he says 'still we are father and son' I say 'so based on geneaology, you want to keep this relationship; no real meaning, or warmth for you? Why...where is the glue that binds us together; the bond, and TRUST?" Then when I decide to go into it with him, and get to his level, he says 'I'm tired' and dosen't want to continue to make some progress!! I say that this isn't worth it, I'll just have to keep him at a distance; I can't make any sense of this on the emotional, or mental scale...anyone answers please?

Why do you think we are pushovers? Someone who TRULY thought that wouldn't have to voice it...btw why, is 'control' such an issue for you? Why do you need to control anyone?...perhaps we're just what ya need? respectable allies/foes ya know—...lol!! Fly, not rebellious, just free-spirited open-thinkers, and provocative; who test the waters of life; I'm not afraid of the dark, and would like to learn about you as well...perhaps we can learn to see more in one another than just 'textbook sign crap' I also remember voicing that to you as well; more importantly, I wanted to know what the 'scorpio perspective' of this situation was; if a person never opens themselves up, and say it's the 'other' party to watch out for, than how can they say they're doing their part, if they're too busy worrying themselves crazy about the others? I think people should just live their lives respectfully, with out hurting others, that's all; if you think I'm a pushover fine; on you, but you won't get to know too much of me if you wish to dominate me...I've got more bite than bark anyday....anyone who tries to 'put someone in their place' is seriously lacking in the confidence department; that's why Virgos SEEM like pushovers....we aren't intrested in making you look bad, becuase we already know we look good; in turn want to help YOU even more...

Virgos (well me) are a little more free-thinking, and self-reliant, to worry about the need to dominate; we want to lead, and innovate, not just dictate, because you cannot opress the very thing that a virgo is about and that 'thing', well that's the spirit, the soul, or their love of freedom. I personally don't like alot of drama from the other party either fly; which is why if I want them around, I will help them work it out; no one deserves to just be callously thrown away or simply called 'innefficient'... but on ther otherhand, a little excitement never did anybody any harm either....but we got enough drama just between the two of us now, don't we? lol!!

*winks at fly in hopes to get past the sting*

I have to tell you one thing straight out..Scorpio fathers don't generally get along with their sons..I don't know why but I have seen this time and time again..they are better with their daughters..

Talk to him man to man..

I have, he dosen't 'like it' says I'm 'too argumentive' it's sorta like he wants to break my spirit in or somethin' I ALWAYS get that feeling from him, but he can't; he's even said that he 'admires' my spirit, and willfulness, and creativity....but I am so dauntless, he thinks I'm arrogant...no, I wanna talk to the man, but he's got a reason for everything not to....he says he wants to 'lay it on the line' but holds back.....I don't get it...He does however get on with my libran brother, becuase he is more easy-going, and less questioning of authority; I CHALLENGE my father....just to see if he REALLY CARES....I think that much he knows if he's a scorp...I feel we can't connect if he dosen't get over this need to control everything; no element to scorp, just to the fact that he's a FIXED sign.....

I'm usually always open to talk, (although cautious) but he just seems down-right, well threatened; I DON'T KNOW WHY?!?!? I tell him that the hero worship days are gone, and that I'm a big boy now, and am ready to talk deep; I never was a kid who believed in heros or superman, I was to level-headed, and self-reliant, (maybe arrogant hehehe...) to really devulge into it; superman was cool, he just wasn't MY hero....I don't know, this male Scorp thing seems so arrduous....

It sounds to me like you mentally drain him. Perhaps too emotional for him to deal with. The two of you need to agree to listen to each other as well as bash each other. If both of you really want to get along, then you will. If you don't, you won't. Try to listen to him, don't interrupt him. Let his words sink in, ponder them. Realize that he is coming from another generation and he is your father. You will not understand that perspective until your shoes have walked that road. There's one thing I know for sure. You only have one father. It would be a shame to pass up an opportunity to get to know him. Try to forget about who is controlling who when you talk to him. Good luck.

I thought scorps were ALL passionate, and in possession of great stamina? Perhaps I test him in a way he can't follow....anyway, I know he is my father, and if he dosen't rise, and CLAIM that right, how can I RESPECT him as a father? I don't interupt him at all, just have burning questions that must be asked; I have lived with him for well, I'd say about 8 years if I count them all up, because he was in bad shape for a while, but I WANT him to see if he can handle this; I'm basically saying 'you're supposed to have the position/desire to lead, but you don't; why do you hesitate, if all you want is RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU?; it's like when it comes down to it, he CAN'T do it...pisses me off is all....

I thought also that it was scorps who had the most emotion? No, I REASON with him, and try to talk to him, yet he tunes it out because the logic just cuts right thru; he TELLS ME CONSTANTLY 'you're intellectual, use ur head' ok, I ponder on it, and use my head then, tell him something, but then he just says, 'I don't have an answer'....sheesh, seems like a half-assed response to me; why go at something with only half a heart; he talks about committing to the relationship, but in turn, isn't there to hold up his end of the weight....I'm just tired of being left high, and dry....my uncle is a scorp, and we get along great!! He can't get enough of my debating, and my strong, deep mind....don't get it...

basically for me, you have to somehow 'show me' that you are more capable of handling the stain than I, if you can't I can't respect you...to talk on it is one thing, but to act is quite another, and in that I can't see that follow-thru...I'm saying, show me you can do this...he's a scorp, he should have the power....why does he abstain from using it?...he was also abusive to my mother, and well, I haven't been quite right with him on that....I feel a male should NEVER hit a female; it's COWARDLY, and actually the opposite of power....as a male you should have the power to control the situation BEFORE it escalates any higher, and someone ends up in loss of the other. I didn't think scorps were cowardly, but that....that was wrong.

I said stain, I meant strain lol!!...My uncle is actually quite courageous, and really brave; I have no desire to emulate him, but wish that I come into possession of MY OWN COURAGE; I've always been pretty forth-right about what I feel, but feel (probably similar to you Scorps) that 'I never have enough'.....is that the way you feel? If so, I might be able to relate to him better, my dad I mean...If we had some form of a 'basis' then perhaps we could understand each other more....I guess there's always hope if you look for it....

I dont think this has alot to do with signs VigroExalted. Your really angry. And your really angry at your father. And you wont let him live anything down. You keep pushing and pushing and pushing. Just the fact that he wants to talk to you, keeps trying to talk to you, asks your opinion on things. I just want to know, is he better? Does he still abuse you mentally and still physically abuse your mother? Has he gotten help? Has he changed? I think you need to talk to someone. Stop beating up your father. I dont mean to be rude with that statement. I understand where you are coming from as I have somewhat similar problems with my father. But I am in my thirties. And I realize life, emotions, problems, family, what have you, is alot more complicated than what I thought it was when I was younger. And I have realized its also alot more simple. Just let it go. Forgive, give yourself a break and in the process let healing begin. Stop testing everyone. I cant imagine you are a joy to be around when you test everyone constantly and think you are always right. Anyway, you and I have talked in private, and we can again if you want. I hate to think of anyone in pain.

I also understand scorps to be pretty passionate, and sensitive; I GET IT!! REALLY I DO!! I have my moon smack dab in the middle of Cancer, and my Pluto in Scorpio...I know what it feels like, it's just, I have the desire to rise above my feelings, and my weakness to get stronger; to be stronger, and to protect my loved ones at all costs maters most to me...

Yeah, you're right; bottom line....it's gotta be the Scorp in Pluto...I need to see if you 'really mean it'....I don't want to hate him, but this fire in me....gawd, I KNOW it's gonna swallow me whole one day....all my planets of agression, and vengeance/emotion are lined up....pluto in scorp, mars in aries, and my moon in cancer...regardless, you are right....why do I see him the same way though? He's gotten better, and he can be nice, but he's gotten worse....it's like he revives only, to fall/die again...I don't get it....maybe it's a Scorp thing....but aw, man, he really gets me....I like that, but hate it to....

Please dont use astrology as a scapegoat for anger and not changing for the better. These planets are influences, not end all be all's of everyone's personality. I would have to hazard a guess it takes two to make things worse, and to make things better. I would say work on yourself first before "working" on your father. How can you expect your father to talk to you when you are so angry? Even if he did apologize, would you believe him? Would you accept it? Would you forgive him and welcome him in your life?
How do you trust a person again when you dont trust them now? Well, first, in a calm manner, let this person know how you feel. After that it is up to that person to build a new history with you, to build a new history wherein you can trust him. Here's the thing though, YOU HAVE TO LET HIM! And thats the hardest part. Thats the part wherein you have to work on yourself first and all through it and last.

HONESTLY ,LITTLE BOY, I WASN'T TRYING TO DISRESPECT YOU WHEN I SAID YOU GUYS WERE PUSH OVERS. ALL I MEANT WAS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, "EVERYONE SHOULD RESPECT ONE ANOTHER WITH NO INTENT TO CONTROL" TRUE AND YOU GUYS TEND TO FEEL DISRESPECTED ALOT, rather often. YOU guys are nice but wish to be bad asses like us scoprs. i have met many to prove this to be true. you guys feel neglected disrespected, and controlled , therefore you guys rebell, and all of a sudden become nice-nasty people. I do not wish to control you, boo. i have no need or desire to controll noone but myself. everyone has a GOD given right to be in control of their lives, i am a strong advocant of this. i hope i don't remind you of your dad becasue you seem to respond to me in ways that at times makes me feel as if you are displacing your anger on to me. I AM NOT YOUR FATHER. OKAY!!!! I am sympathetic to your situation becauae i have a dad who , lets say has similarites to what you go through with your dad. however the comments i have ever made has nothing to do with that... don't give up on your dad, pray for him. the bible says, pray without ceasing. suggest counseling, analyze your situation of why he acts that way. maybe go to counseling yourself. it seems llike your dad is mad at something, he's pissed , mabe he feels disrespected, he could be holding a grudge, i know many scorpios as parents and or partners, lash out on them ever, if you want, they will never forget it, and treat you differently because of it , until you apologize..
remember what i said virgoexalted, people always say what they say, but when it's all said and done , people seek our insight and logic, and intuition, they just don't give us scorps the props.
anyhow virgoexalted there is one thing i agree with, you are argumentative!! stop trying to prove yourself and believe in you. we all have parental issues, but you can't control the problem, pray for strength and clarification for why you have the problem.

now do you want to go private or not?

I don't think Scorp in pluto plays any significant part in any of this. Your a challenge to your father as he is to you. I am sure he loves you deep down, maybe your just a handful..LOL..If he's scorpio, he doesn't like to be questioned, you MUST OBEY..lol..Your young, you don't know anything according to him you need to be taught...and taught by him...

i agree with missmorals , signs has nothing to dot with this, you guys are challenging for each other, and virgoexalted , you are very argumentative.

flygrl - you crack me up

"virgoexalted , you are very argumentative." - from one to another..hahahah

I think you should both have sex and be done with it..

🙂

VE - Scorpios'a hate arrogant people. There is a real difference between being self assured and being arrogant. I lived with a virgo for about three years. He could p_ss me off more than any other person in my world could. No one else has ever angered me to the point of wanting to physically hurt them, but he could. You see, he had this bad habit of running his mouth when he should have been keeping it closed. He was so charming at times that I was drawn to him and then other times I wanted to throttle him. I'm sure your dad feels this way about you. Don't get too wrapped up in this sign stuff and forget all about human nature. Try your best to forgive your Dad of all of his past mistakes and encourage him to continue to do better and move forward. |You could actually be a wonderful influence on him, if you will let yourself be. If he get's frustrated with you, then you need to try a different approach with him. There is a reason for his frustration. Let him know when he is doing a good job at communicating by telling him so. You know you can be arrogant, you have said that. I promise a littel humility goes a long long way with scorps. Admit your short comings and tell him what you are willing to do to over come those. Tell him you are doing these things to help heal your relationship with him. Ask him if he will do the same. I know that I am a softy if I know that someone really wants to get close to me. Now I'm not telling you to be weak, you can still be your strong self reliant self. The bottom line is, all of the the different ways you have tried with your Dad so far, have not worked. Use a different strategy. Let down your guard a little bit and open your eyes, your mind, your heart and your arms to your Dad. Once again, good luck.

"it's beyond signs. remember genetics and environemtnal inflences and experiences plays a big part in how a person behaves. I have a mental health background,a bachelors, so if you need some help . lets go private , serioulsy, because real is real and sometimes you got to step outside of your sign box. I have a dad born in sep, virgo , who has done many hurtful things , so I understand how to step outside the sign box... plus maybe we can learn from one another, you want my help , just say the word, and we can go private."

wow chi, this is a side that i haven't seen of you. scorpios really can be something when you look beyond the veil (the hardest part is getting behind there, lol).

Ive read that scorpio fathers are really tough!

well fly; like I said; perhaps we are evenly matched opponents; when I grudge, I NEVER GO BACK; you become an enemy for life; and enemies must be destroyed if they stand in opposition; and I too am an advocate of living ones on life; yet THAT ALONE GOES TO AN EXTENT AS ALL THINGS GO FLY; NO HUMAN BEING GOD-GIVEN LIFE OR OTHER WISE HAS THE RIGHT OR POWER TO CONTROL, OR HARM ANOTHER IT IS BECAUSE OF MY SIGN VIRGO, THAT I KNOW THIS AND STAND OPPOSITIONALLY TO YOU SCORPS (big caps aren't angry just pointing out a key idea 😉); I do not displace my anger on anyone actually but the person I am currently angry at; perhaps you are reading too much into this and just 'going fishing'? Although you may be right to a degree which I can RESPECT....living at the sole cost of 'inflicting you so called 'indignant scorpion rage' is utter bull; I am not sorry for that fly; no human being deserves to be treated (even him) as a pin cushion or a door matt for someone to just inflict their anger on; I think anyone who thinks that should seriously go under an psychological eval. believe it or not I don't go around saying "I HATE YOU, BURN IN NEVER-ENDING TORMENT, YOU WASTE OF ESSENCE!!" I could, but I don't becuase I know I don't have the right to treat someone like that, NO ONE DOES SCORPIO, OR VIRGO ALIKE.

I do not get threatened when I cannot control something and back down; I stubbornly work at it until I achieve/master/gain what I am looking for

Scorp-in-Law, I hear you...the boot camp tactics won't or EVER HAVE worked on me; my dad was always amazed at my spirit, and fire in my eyes when ever he tried to 'break' me....NO ONE WILL EVER BREAK ME TO THAT LEVEL; that's just who I am, but he normally isn
t big on the punishment, but at this point, what good would that do anyway but push me farther from him, even with the possibility of knowing 'he does this because he loves me?'....I want people/him to stop making excuses, stop wasting time AND START PARTICIPATING IN LIFE; but that won't make me happy....even if (at least right now) we did reconcile, what would it mean? What could he give me, that I could not atain myself? From an observant/discerning view, I see that needing him is 'inefficient' and 'impractical' he yeilds no fruitation, and abundance...why, o why did my father have to be a scorp; I have a iron will, and he a need to control; we are disposed (genetically even) to being enemies...It's a fact I guess....

I am pretty self destructive, but NOT FOOLISH LOL!! Don't worry about me Scorp-in-law although the sentiment is HIGHLY VALUED😉 THANK YOU...I tend to make enemies very fast, but dispose of them just the same....whether he and I are bound by bloodlines or not; I feel they must be severed....I can't continue with some foe that dauntingly preys on my 'low guard'.....he is the true stinger....to sting below the belt, when I cared enough to take him back; lowly, cowardly, and dishonerable.....sad thing is I am a abashed, and almost hatefull of all things....I wanted to come to an end many times, and don't fear death....it is the final tomb for me, and I understand and respect it's infinity, and omnipresence....

I guess I'm 'world-weary'...lol

Scorp, I come from a world, where people are only out for themselves, be it emotionally or physically; I guess in a way, I am emotionally/mentally damaged; sometimes it's hard for me to understand/feel/reciprocate tender feelings, as I have not had the chance to express them with out them being underminded, or down-played, so the reserved nature, and the explosive will comes out more than the well adjusted person...my bro seems fine with all of this probably because he dosen't see the 'true' issue at hand; you seem to possess this 'alien' (to me anyway) ability to stand, or jump in to help anyone with earnest sincerity, and depth; that is courage....I think that is me at optimum efficiency....

I simply also don't believe that Virgo, could ever sum up my vital parts, big heart, my tenacity, courage, and valor, and my desire to love someone, and let go of the fear of it, and my scars.... I feel there is more to me than what is being stated but most people seem (I recall saying this before to a certain someone...😉) to go by the book, and are to ready to 'themselves' categorize things based on the physical appearance, or reality; reality is at times deceptive; the cloak, or veil behind what truly exists; that is why I am more comfortable here, or in my dreams; they are so necessary to solve the riddles laid right before us...

I would like to see him the way I USED to....When I could trust him without wondering, 'will he stabb me in the back this time, too?' life was fun...he never really tried to control me, and I don't think scorp men are the 'boot camp' types, I think that is Capricorn/Taurus....I think Scorps beilieve in their offspring so much so that they get a little arrogant about their kids, and their gifts....he was always, (if I remember) trying to push me, but I never had 'fun' when he pushed me....the game wasn't fun that way....I am more idealistic than anything I think, and really get carried away with the way I think things OUGHT to be....I don't want to dwell to heavily on the past; my life was a struggle, until I realized WHO I WAS AT LARGE, OR WHO I COULD BECOME; I aspire to conqueor my limitations, and grow in every sense of the word; if I can do that by listening to you guys with out you imposing you will, and throwing your weight at me, I will listen, but you can't pursuade me by force, or aggression; perhaps you scorps aren't all 'fire and ice'?....you guys are different, and a little hard to understand but who isn't?! That's what makes it all fun talking with you guys....I was never REALLY excepted by anyone, and was always something of a loner; I believed in what I believed in, and NO ONE COULD SWAY ME; I'm alot like my mother, she is very stubborn, and once she's made up, there's no undressing her...wait, that came out wrong, I didn't mean it like that!! lol!!

I have a problem with my life drive at times; sometimes I radiate fire, but others, It burns so weakly, I barely know what to do; but when those times come, something 'reanimates' or 'revives' me....this inner light; I feel hollow, and that is the one thing that hurts me more than anything; more than arguments, more than break ups, and spiteful actions; feeling no emotions; I don't like it, how I feel so 'detached' from everything....so UNALIVE....I want to live, so I argue, and hold on TENACIOUSLY to these viscious feelings towards him, so as to prove to myself that 'I feel, so I'm alive; I live, and this fire inside me is proof of my existence!! These strong feelings mean that I feel, and have ardency, and passion!! I am not a machine!!' without that fire Scorp-in-Law, I feel dead, and unhappy....If I ever needed anything besides him, that fire is most important to me....without it, I feel, hollow, disheartened, and dispondent....

Whenever I am 'supressed' or forced, I lash out even harded, and stronger; I suppose I should thank him for this...I don't want to though; I suppose I am childish, but these feelings, (even if they are hateful ones) are the difference between life, and death for me; take that for what it may allow...

lol...Yes S.I.L I, keep a journal; I hope that I haven't talked your ears into blood!! lol!!...I have these vivid, feelings of wanting to get close to another, to feel simotaneously what they feel; my whole life through I have dreamed of the moment when the world would stop for just a moment, and I'd feel again....I laugh on the outside, yet I break, and crack on the inside; I am masochistic I suppose, wallowing in my own hurt and misery at the only hope of knowing it will grant more hurt to 'live' on....what is this in me? I usually ignore deeper, primitive feelings, but since I am so inexperienced with them it is hard....I ponder, 'what is hate?....Is it this hot-blooded feeling I get when I see him? Is it the way that I feel when I'm shocked or outraged?...' I feel lost actually....I feel so free that, well no one is around me; like I am in my own universe, and I can't get back....so unconnected, and detached....could experience be the remedy? To experience trust, and discomfort long enough to grow? To suffer so much so, that it unlocks my very existence, and grants me a new found reason for existing, rather than just breathing?....Such discontent, and such anxiousness; they bubble inside me, with nowhere to go....I wonder, If I continue on like this hating him, what's going to become of me? What will be left of me? These feelings I dogmatically hold on to have been the only life I've known....It scares me to think that there is a parallel world out there to mine, and I've been living in an antethesis to my whole self....that this IS NOT the WHOLE ME...yet I breathe a sigh of relief in knowing there is more to me....so many thoughts that bubble inside me, and NO ONE TO SHARE WITH....I hope to meet my 'other' one day....untill then, I think I can live on.

I'd like to have, and know the power of wisdom, but not for selfish means; I want to know it so I can share it with the others whom need an 'awakening'....I want to lead them so they know to not be afraid, and feel lonliness no more...I wish I could stop the worlds, hate of itself, and at a time, I used to think I only lived to sacrifice myself....I can't even begin to define, or explain where this reasoning came from...perhaps a grandious image of my own greatness expressed through, inner confidence, and outer modesty?....I have no idea, perhaps I should get my head outta the clouds and back on earth!! lol!!....I am out of character for my sign, but I suppose I am just a more complicated person....I wonder, what would it be like to have a 'friend?' a true friend...and what would it be like to know that you two are 'linked'?....I suppose youth has left me seeking more, and more.....Yes, there is a fire in me....I just hope it dosen't burn me alive, and those I care/will grow to care about in a swathing fire...I wish I could just release myself from my secret sorrow...

VE - I wonder how enlightened your dad would be if he were able to read the things you have written? You are gifted with the ability to articulate your feelings and ideas with conviction and thouroughness. Would you be willing to share these entries with him? I think you should give it some serious thought.

HELL-NO Miss_Morals , I will fuck around and go to jail fucking with that minor. he he ehe ehe. and that was funny, " virgoexalted ,you are argumentative" From one to another" Bitch you are crazy.lol lol. now look mother fucking virgoexalted , hell to the naw , we are no where near each others match. pew ueww , I spit on that shit. U could never compete. U talk to damn much instead of getting to the point. You don't have to talk so damn much to get a fucking point across. let me stop, shit , now i sound like his abusive dad, duck , it's that tick again.lol he he .. You talk as much as a woman does, not attractive, in fact are you even cute, or a hotte , whatever? you sound like a geek, no offense, but the boy no girl wanted to date.!! I mean you say this and that about us grandiose scorpios, but what u fell to realize is, u are one person in the world, one percent, hell, half a percent. that means nothing , you can say what u damn please, baby! the truth lies in the pudding , baby! ha ha . you say this and that but, scorps are natural persuaders , not controllers, I don't think we care about shit like that. you just feel defeated by your dad. well hell my dad is a freakin virgo, I mean he has said some fucked up shit to me as a child, but I feel everyone is innocent until proven guilty.! had to be a scorpio to see the objective side, try that , ethical virgo, ha ha . it's funny how your sign feels that they are such logical , rational beings, when in fact they are big ass holes. putting and wanting to defeat and compete with others because of their internal insecurities. not my problem , punk! lol what you fell to realize is, your dads power, your dads infleunce on you and how it affects your thinking, and coommunication. stop repressing , and look within. You will not win , until you realize that the battle is , WITHIN. You are in your race alone!!!!!!!

how about this fly; you are a coward; you would attack someone in a moment of a lowered gaurd? cowardice; you still forget that yet claim to be 'mighty', and sheesh...you are threatened by what I say, you you claim that my father or you have power? lol!! fly get off your damned soapbox; I agree the proof is in the puddin' so more power in the FIST than the MOUTH; too hard for ya? Ok, ok, I'll make it short-n'-sweet for ya......you don't know me, and are still using your sign for entitlement; no, you are the weakest scorp I came across; hadn't been for you I MIGHT have thought that you guys we're pretty strong; but know this...no one lives MY life SCORPIO OR NOT; leave your bull to someone else who needs you NA meeting bullshit, with your pompous ass bullshit; I don't give a flying fuck about how you can't stand that I'm argumentive; IF YOU HAD ANY TYPE OF POWER BEYOND THAT OF RUNNIN' YOUR DAMNED MOUTH TO DOGMATISM, AND 'EXING' ME, I 'MIGHT' WANT TO CALL YOU A SCORP AND YOU SHOULD (seeing how your 'soooooo powerful') be able to put this Virgo in his place, but you can't can you?...lol silly scorpion, you still don't know what it means to have a stinger do you? lol truthfully I don't need your shit anymore than any other signs...step off, you got nuthin' ta say, and I'm hopin' bills to pay!! lol

Also fly, since you speak of your so-called, 'objective side' you should be able to stay level headed, and would have BEEN that way...look, face it, you're a freakin' Libra!! A REAL SCORP IS ANYTHING BUT OBJECTIVE BECAUSE THEY TAKE MATTERS PERSONALLY AND TEND TO THEM, EVEN IF THEY ARE CALM IN THEIR WAYS; cut it da fuck out...! lol Look, you don't have to go around lying to people about some ol' bullshit like your zodiac sign; look why don't you stop preaching, and start practicing eh? Mighty scorps know that and make it well on that, as do the other 11 signs.....na fly, you're DEFINITLY in a category of your own....no that's WRONG; A DAMNED STAR CLUSTER OF YOUR OWN!! Then got the nerve to call me argumentive? At least I've got the balls to attack when someone has their guard errect (standing tall) rather than to hit 'em when their down, do yourself a favor and DEVELOP SOME ETHICS FAST FLY!! LOL.

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Like the Scorpion's sting take notes fly, you MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING (I know, terrible ain't it?! lol); it's outright, and precise; not sneaking, and low....damn, girl, have you ever watched the discovery channel? Because although I'm young, I don't recall anybody getting anywhere being at a (possibly) 4th grade reading level...so call me nerdy, but I don't get off on needing to have others like me; (and check dis, THEY STILL WANNA BE LIKE ME!!) or put on shows for them to cover up my inferiority complex, and my fear of being alone; unlike fly here; scorps TRUE SCORPS respect/admire intellect, and articualation; (oh, yeah, bill gates, A BIG TIME NERD BABY!! HE HEAD OF A COMPUTER SOFTWARE INDUSTRY LOL!!) you, and my dad are just weak as hell, and when the kittchen gets hot, well let's just say you guys know where the BACK DOOR is betta than anyone of us!! lol Look, when you get your mind game up, and your mind evolved past high-school politics, than I WILL ALLOW YOU TO COMPETE; till then fly, fly on girl.

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fly do you know what the best thing about being a virgo is? well, you couldn't ding, ding, ding,!! you aren't a virgo!! Well I'll say this; IT BANKS OUT ON THE SCORPIO HATERZ!! LOL!! You seem to be stuck on me.....I know that's just the scorpio's way of sayin' "I like ya" lol...I don't have to be a Scorp like you (thank gawd above) to know that you are insecure, and weak minded...please if you're a scorp, and can do something more than running your mouth like a ducks ass, that please, SHOW ME....

fly I just spent a page in a half about knowing/indicating that what I felt was internal; knowing that it runs deep in me; didn't you poke through me and scorp-in-laws entries? Anyway you aren't saying anything new, and it's getting old fast; I might be long-winded, but I have depth to my intellect, and too much power/feeling that I've come to fear one thing in life; myself.... hell I know I got control/influence enough over you to KNOW what you'll do after reading/thumbin' through these posts; you'll go all hormonal, and bloody valor, and curse me out on a stupid tip; fly it only shows (like you said to me) how dumb, and weak it makes you appear....in those instances, whose the persuasive scorp; you, or I? 😉 and argumentive?! lol now that's some stinky shit!! lol 😉 do yourself a favor; stop generalizing scorpion behavior through yourself, like your a damned mayrtr, and speak from practical (realistic) knowledge/emotions instead of defending your pride, and weak ego; at least I had balls enough to come OUTRIGHT and speak what I felt, and hell, I'll take sensual's advice, and share these feelings with him....you both lack power because you guys seem to lack one of the strongest components of the human being; intellect, and reasoning; you talk like a kid, and seem unable to give councel to other human beings.....or maybe your sting's turnin' into a damned stink!! lol watch it fly, you're loosing ur edge!!!

not to mention true courage; to take that FIRST step and go out on the limb/line for something...at least my pop's like that, and well we are online....anything you can/could say could be a lie; it's all a matter of side, and perception fly...I'll do me, and you do you, so maybe I'll make like the virgo, and fly, lol...I bet you wish you could chill wit a virgo, but well I guess I'm too damned high for you...

I could do this all day fly 'playing' with you, and making you a patty, but I got 'better' things to do....Ya know, you'd make a good friend, but still are short-sighted, and too dern sensitive for my tastes; I don't think this is the real you, but when you wanna show it to me, do so; I don't get how you can turn a mirror on everyone, but when your turn's up, you get amnesia/cold feet?....Hermmm, seems like weakness/flaw to me....I never e'xed you because I never get tired of listening to you; you have a valuable opinion like everybody else, and the freedom to express it; fly I read EVERYTING YOU WRITE TO ME; I don't skip over, I listen to it because you may have the wisdom in an area I lack; but could ya be a little more adult about it?

geez, guess I'm the motor mouth!! lol sorry fly....😉

anyway; I said to him a couple days ago, 'why stay in a relationship that bears no fruit?' why entertain emotional ignorance, and indifference? Why? Is it comfortable, or just familiar? either way it dosen't make sense to me.....