Vengeance is Overrated

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by ScorpSuperior on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 and has 79 replies.
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lol, true dat.

i dig your honesty and self-awareness, dimplez.
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agreed. i end up feeling no better about myself and in some cases... lower than i did before.
i get really angry and can momentarily become obsessed with evening out the score, but the non-psychotic creepypants is really a lover, not a fighter.
that said... i try to associate vindictiveness with psyyyycchooooo-ness and just go cool off somewhere smile
or take the route of diplomacy... confront the issue and try to squash it like a reasonable adult.
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Posted by QUlETstorm
Highly overrated. It's the equivalence of drinking poison and expecting someone else to die from it.


hrmm! well said!
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I only think it's overrated if you hope to get some level of satisfaction from it and don't. If you do, then you've accomplished your goal.
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Posted by QUlETstorm
Highly overrated. It's the equivalence of drinking poison and expecting someone else to die from it.



Indeed.
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Posted by Poisson
I don't actively seek out vengeance. If someone fucks me over, they're done. Not only will I burn that bridge, I will fucking nuke the shit out of it. I just sit back and watch them implode within themselves from afar... then they try to put the pieces of that bridge with Elmer's glue. naw.



lol I hear ya.
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Posted by CreepyPants
agreed. i end up feeling no better about myself and in some cases... lower than i did before.
i get really angry and can momentarily become obsessed with evening out the score, but the non-psychotic creepypants is really a lover, not a fighter.
that said... i try to associate vindictiveness with psyyyycchooooo-ness and just go cool off somewhere smile
or take the route of diplomacy... confront the issue and try to squash it like a reasonable adult.



I like the sound of that.
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Posted by xygeneration
Vengeance is best served cold. So you can say it's overrated until it slaps you in the face...or @ $ $ .
On the real though...
Vengeance can be a driving force for some people, it's a feeling... so i'm not sure if it's "overrated", to some maybe.. but to some people it's the only way that they can live.




What a sad way to live.
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Posted by PhoenixRising
I only think it's overrated if you hope to get some level of satisfaction from it and don't. If you do, then you've accomplished your goal.




^ Logic.
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"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves."

^ that is not mine, that is Confucius

Cheers to growing up.
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Posted by xygeneration
It is a sad way to live for you, but for others it is an enjoyment. I'm saying this, because if you take a look at other people it is the only way they know how and nothing else.



Sure. I felt the same way until I freed myself from bondage. We don't have to be bound to our impulses- we choose this path.
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Posted by xygeneration
And thing is it's hard to "unlearn" what someone has been so used to.



Solid point.
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Posted by xygeneration
And thing is it's hard to "unlearn" what someone has been so used to.


Hmm, I don't know if it so much hard to "unlearn" as it is a conscious decision to do better and continue on that path. I think people use "habit" (aka learned behaviour) as a cop out to justify an unwillingness to do better. Lazy maybe, because the familiar is more comfortable. who wants to be uncomfortable?
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Posted by ScorpSuperior
Posted by xygeneration
It is a sad way to live for you, but for others it is an enjoyment. I'm saying this, because if you take a look at other people it is the only way they know how and nothing else.



We don't have to be bound to our impulses- we choose this path.
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^^^This
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If you have been on the delivery end at one point in your life... what made you stop? How far did you go?
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Posted by xygeneration

A whore/slut didn't choose the life they wanted to live, but they've made that decision unconsciously (some who were sexually abused during their childhood).. The human mind is so powerful that it can be so destructive in the same way that it can be productive.


off topic.. but this your OPINION only
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Posted by xygeneration
Hmm. it's not a matter of justifying one's behavior.. if people even think about that to begin with. People say they make conscious decisions, but most of the time people make unconscious decisions.
It's not being lazy, it's simply hard to change. I wish that it was easy (speaking for other people). If you've been abused, neglected or whatever.. you'll understand this.
A whore/slut didn't choose the life they wanted to live, but they've made that decision unconsciously (some who were sexually abused during their childhood).. The human mind is so powerful that it can be so destructive in the same way that it can be productive.
Going back to the original topic, vengeance is taking the pain and turning it into something constructive to improve oneself. That's coming from personal experience.


I think we have different definitions of vengeance then. When I think of taking revenge, I think of using one's energy to destroy, not to create.
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Posted by PhoenixRising
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And thing is it's hard to "unlearn" what someone has been so used to.


Hmm, I don't know if it so much hard to "unlearn" as it is a conscious decision to do better and continue on that path. I think people use "habit" (aka learned behaviour) as a cop out to justify an unwillingness to do better. Lazy maybe, because the familiar is more comfortable. who wants to be uncomfortable?
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I am inclined to agree. On the other hand, I do believe I understand xyg's perspective.

I am thinking of some of the troubled youth I've encountered. They use violence as a means to address their problems because it is the only way they know. They don't know what it means to do "better" because they can only respond in ways they have been taught- in this case, aggression.
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Posted by xygeneration

A whore/slut didn't choose the life they wanted to live, but they've made that decision unconsciously (some who were sexually abused during their childhood).. The human mind is so powerful that it can be so destructive in the same way that it can be productive.


off topic.. but this your OPINION only


Umm.. yeah hi you didn't read the whole thread thanks and as I said my personal opinion. Read previous posts. Thanks.
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yes i did read the whole thread (but thanks for telling me what I've done and not done) and I don't see anywhere that you mentioned it was your "personal opinion."
I did notice that you referred to "other people" a few times in your posts. who are these "other people" you are talking about
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Posted by xygeneration
Hmm. it's not a matter of justifying one's behavior.. if people even think about that to begin with. People say they make conscious decisions, but most of the time people make unconscious decisions.
It's not being lazy, it's simply hard to change. I wish that it was easy (speaking for other people). If you've been abused, neglected or whatever.. you'll understand this.
A whore/slut didn't choose the life they wanted to live, but they've made that decision unconsciously (some who were sexually abused during their childhood).. The human mind is so powerful that it can be so destructive in the same way that it can be productive.
Going back to the original topic, vengeance is taking the pain and turning it into something constructive to improve oneself. That's coming from personal experience.


Please don't think my comment was directed towards you when I said "lazy". Sorry if it came off that way. I was speaking in very general terms. You're right, people do make unconscious decisions. However, experience of abuse etc.. or not, at some point one needs to take responsibility for their actions. I guess I come from the philosophy that you *are* or *aren't* doing something; there is no "trying" to be anything, which is what I meant. A person chooses to be vengeful or go about their business and live their life. If it something they know is an issue yet they throw up their hands and say "well, I can't just unlearn it" I think is taking the easy way out. It's like choosing to talk to people in a rude manner. You can easily say well that's just how I talk to people, but at some point you need to recognize that excuse isn't gonna cut it. Why? Because even rude people make conscious decisions to pull that bullsh*t with some, an not with others.
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Posted by shellshocker
If you have been on the delivery end at one point in your life... what made you stop?



Reflecting on my values. Once I reminded myself of what matters most to me, it seemed that spitefulness just didn't fit into my agenda any longer. Also, developing the ability to let go. That took some time to cultivate. I think once I looked back over my life and realized how much time I'd spent ruminating, plotting, and hoping for the demise of others...it dawned on me that those very actions were self-destructive and I was losing a make-believe battle (with foes who had long forgotten my name, lol). That was energy wasted and hours that I couldn't get back- time that could've been spent doing so many other useful things!

And then there's the feeling of just being free. Free to love so much more. And to give more to yourself and others. Free to let go.


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Posted by xygeneration
Um.. do I have to say "in my personal opinion".. sorry shell I forgot to write that.. but the OP said to discuss.. and in my personal opinion I am allowed to discuss my take whether from personal experience or observing other people.
Also, you can look it up or directly ask a WH0RE/SLUT why he/she is that way. It's still MY personal opinion based on the information I collected.


ok... i was just repeating the words you yourself wrote. next time i'll remember not to take them too seriously..
it's just that i happen to know quite a few sex trade workers... more than most people would be comfortable admitting to. And you would be surprised the type of backgrounds they have. good education, two parent households, calm upbringings. The problem was it was very boring and cookie cutter and they wanted out. something different. some like sex, like money and life style .
now if you are talking about $ 20 ladies on the street corner and crack whores... ya, they may have a different story.
I also think childhood abuse does not = sex worker. Do you realize how much sexual abuse is found in church communities?
just my observations..
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Posted by ScorpSuperior
Posted by shellshocker
If you have been on the delivery end at one point in your life... what made you stop?



Reflecting on my values. Once I reminded myself of what matters most to me, it seemed that spitefulness just didn't fit into my agenda any longer. Also, developing the ability to let go. That took some time to cultivate. I think once I looked back over my life and realized how much time I'd spent ruminating, plotting, and hoping for the demise of others...it dawned on me that those very actions were self-destructive and I was losing a make-believe battle (with foes who had long forgotten my name, lol). That was energy wasted and hours that I couldn't get back- time that could've been spent doing so many other useful things!

And then there's the feeling of just being free. Free to love so much more. And to give more to yourself and others. Free to let go.


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thanks for answering! seems self-realization was needed and the desire to make different choices.
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If you have been on the delivery end at one point in your life... what made you stop?



Reflecting on my values. Once I reminded myself of what matters most to me, it seemed that spitefulness just didn't fit into my agenda any longer. Also, developing the ability to let go. That took some time to cultivate. I think once I looked back over my life and realized how much time I'd spent ruminating, plotting, and hoping for the demise of others...it dawned on me that those very actions were self-destructive and I was losing a make-believe battle (with foes who had long forgotten my name, lol). That was energy wasted and hours that I couldn't get back- time that could've been spent doing so many other useful things!

And then there's the feeling of just being free. Free to love so much more. And to give more to yourself and others. Free to let go.




thanks for answering! seems self-realization was needed and the desire to make different choices.
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Yes. And I must say, it feels goood. Big Grin
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@PheonixRising ^^^^^ yes! some people DO take it that far. That is the type of vengeance I was asking about as well. And if the slight is *perceived* and more a blow to the ego than an actual spiteful act.. it is sad to see that type of behavior.
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Posted by xygeneration
And thing is it's hard to "unlearn" what someone has been so used to.


Hmm, I don't know if it so much hard to "unlearn" as it is a conscious decision to do better and continue on that path. I think people use "habit" (aka learned behaviour) as a cop out to justify an unwillingness to do better. Lazy maybe, because the familiar is more comfortable. who wants to be uncomfortable?



I am inclined to agree. On the other hand, I do believe I understand xyg's perspective.

I am thinking of some of the troubled youth I've encountered. They use violence as a means to address their problems because it is the only way they know. They don't know what it means to do "better" because they can only respond in ways they have been taught- in this case, aggression.
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Agreed, and I see xyg"s point as well. I guess in answering the OP initially I was thinking of rational adults choosing to take the lunatic route to serve some sadistic pleasure:
He dumped me?! I'm gonna slash his tires, post all those nude photo's we took on FB, tell our friends all about his kinky quirks, stalk his new GF for a few months and when he thinks I've gone away, slash his tires again....that type of vengeance. Exaggeration? No doubt. But, I'm sure there are some people that take it *that* far rather than just move the f*ck on.
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PR, I was right there with ya before you hid. Tongue

Agreed.
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Posted by xdimplez
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If you have been on the delivery end at one point in your life... what made you stop? How far did you go?


what made me stop?
- i looked at the big picture and realized that whatever message i was trying to get across, wasn't worth loosing the love of my life. but it was too late at that point
how far did you go?
- i served half the dish that he originally served me. my intent wasnt to hurt him, but to make him understand how it felt.
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i appreciate your honesty smile thanks
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No not at all and I know what you're saying. I agree with you, but realistically people are slaves to their given condition. I wish people that I know can actually make conscious decisions, as in free themselves from their imprisoned mind.
Also, i'm not sure if it's an "easy way out". I have known people who ended up getting in trouble with the law and that sure is not an easy way out. You have to keep guiding these people in hopes that they will change for their own good.


When I said "easy way out" I mean using excuses to not make an effort to change and just saying it's because I was born this way, this is all I know, etc. True, we can only "do" what we "know", but as a person ever growing and changing, why aren't you (not you personally )learning new things? Developing new way of seeing the world? Why aren't you applying the many, many lessons life offers you to your own life? It's in our very nature (and means of survival) to take in, process, assimilate and accommodate new information everyday to just exist in this world. But I'm taking this waaaaay off topic. Sorry SS!
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Posted by ScorpSuperior
PR, I was right there with ya before you hid. Tongue

Agreed.


It was to edit...they really need to work on that so you don't have to hide sh*t. I re-posted with the corrections.
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No, no, you're not off-topic at all, PR! I like where this is going. smile I think it's wonderful that we can share POVs. I firmly believe that as we learn more about others, we in turn learn more about ourselves.
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Posted by shellshocker
@PheonixRising ^^^^^ yes! some people DO take it that far. That is the type of vengeance I was asking about as well. And if the slight is *perceived* and more a blow to the ego than an actual spiteful act.. it is sad to see that type of behavior.


I think in some cases it is about perceived slight and ego. I mean a break up in many cases is inevitable because every single person you meet is not meant to be your be all, end all of relationships. Sadly, some people don't get that, so they feel slighted when the relationship/encounter has run its course but they happen to be the dumpee. When you date, even for a long period of time, it is may only be meant for that purpose only: to date. Also to possibly help you learn a little more about yourself, life, how to "be" with others, help you figure out what you want or don't want from a partner. But some take every encounter/relationship as "the one" and only, Amen.
Now, take into consideration, ^^^this does not include situations where people have ended things badly (e.g. hurtful douche bags). I think in this case it isn't about ego, but about feeling disrespected/hurt and rightly so because of how the person handled the break up.
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Posted by xygeneration
Playing devil's advocate
A change or effort for someone may be different though. For some people vengeance is the only motivation. How can we say that the way we live is the right way?



I agree completely with this question because I think people should live their lives as they see fit--just do it over there if it looks like it will infringe on my well being. However, I think what you're asking is a tiny bit different from what I was saying. Here's why:
When I spoke of being vengeful and deciding to change, it was not to say one *should* or *shouldn't* change how they deal with things. It was simply trying to address your statement that we "learn" certain behaviours and rather than take responsibility to do something different (if that is what *you* are saying you want to do), throwing up your hands up and saying--"Well I can't change because this is all I know". It's not that you can't, but you WON'T do something different. Big difference.
Now in your statement/question above, I'm thinking that is more about judging others and saying that people believe in vengeance are "wrong" in some way, and people that don't are "right". Who am I to say that one approach to life is wrong or right? What I would say, or ask rather, is "how the hell is *that* working out for you?". As some people have pointed out, they recognize that it doesn't work out so well, and they began to act differently.
Also "vengeance" looks very different to different people. There is the type that requires activity and energy on your part (which seems to be the bigger focus of this thread) and the type that does not require anything effort at all but to live your life.
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I have found that revenge is best served
AGED FOR YEARS AND CHILLED TO PERFECTION
... and is best delivered either by doing nothing at all
when someone needs more than anything for someone to do "something"
...or
when the victim finally picks a fight with
someone who does not practice as much restraint as I do,
all the while knowing that someday they will do just that
and someone else will do my dirty work.
Ah, yes ... The Scorpio Revenge.
For those on whom I must take a more active revenge
the key is to wait 30 years so they have no idea
who could have possibly done such a thing to them.
Gosh, even if I explained "why" - they'd never remember.
...but "I" remember.
( Which reminds me, there was this kid in grade 3 who ... )
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Posted by PhoenixRising
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@PheonixRising ^^^^^ yes! some people DO take it that far. That is the type of vengeance I was asking about as well. And if the slight is *perceived* and more a blow to the ego than an actual spiteful act.. it is sad to see that type of behavior.


Now, take into consideration, ^^^this does not include situations where people have ended things badly (e.g. hurtful douche bags). I think in this case it isn't about ego, but about feeling disrespected/hurt and rightly so because of how the person handled the break up.
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you have touched a nerve with me. arrgh..
i think i'm on the receiving end of some karmic justice Sad I have been a hurtful douche bag in the past and ended relationships badly out of ignorance. Actually.. out of lack of ego if you can figure that one out.
unrelated relationships to my current situation.. but I have enough Pluto in me to understand the meaning
treetrunk me!
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Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, skin for skin.
Vengeance:
Something to think about before you offend.

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Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, skin for skin.
Vengeance:
Something to think about before you offend.




are you saying it's a good thing?
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No, I am saying that is something to think about BEFORE... You offend ("you" being anyone)

HEY MAMA! LOOK AT ME!!!
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Posted by everevolvingepithet
So does everyone usually state likes and dislikes across the board?



Of course not, hence "do unto others as you would have others do unto you." That is "treat others the way you want to be
treated."
The eye for an eye figure of speech originates in the laws found in the Bible.
For example, if you caused someone else to lose an eye, your eye would be plucked out to pay the penalty for the offense.
They didn't play games, back then, like they do, today.
Now, what happened was the people failed to understand the point of the "eye for eye" laws - it wasn't about retribution
and revenge, nor was it about "justice", the likes of which is full of pathetic impotent political definitions, today.
It was really about teaching people to get along and treat each other right.
IF you knew the penalty was loss of your eye for the loss of one's eye, for which you are responsible for, you
would think twice about offending that person or anyone else simply because you didn't want that to happen to you.
See the logic of that kind of early law?
Spare the rod, you spoil the child. - IF the child does not learn the lessons they need to learn as they grow up,
they will become spoiled rotten adults - and we ain't talking silver spoons. - we're talkin' bad people.
And those bad people multiply like bunnies and they corrupt the nation and the nation falls.
Simple as that.





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Posted by BullGem
aaaah, the power of foresight. Not everyone wants to think about the outcome of their actions, especially if the outcome is negative. They'll simply ignore that little voice that whispers 'don't do it. it won't end well'. Why? Because they just want to do whatever to do and either don't care or don't want to care.



In the US, crime is what it is, in part, because the laws are very lax and the penalties mild - but laws alone don't prevent crime - the children have to be taught to obey the laws, when they are not, and they think they can get away
with whatever they want, sooner or later, someone gets hurt.
It is absolutely amazing how stupid people here in the US can be. Think about this: In the US, we are told by our government and in media that we have the best government in the world. We have all these things, blah blah blah.
We are "civilized". But in reality, it's a bunch of nonsense being fed to the fatted calf.
"Civilized" Ha! I laugh whenever I hear them say that.
(Being part Native American and part European is like a ugly war, with a sense of humor, within - you know what both sides are thinkin')
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Posted by Let*It*Be
"we are told by our government and in media....."

^^^and those who are sheep.. listen, follow and believe Sad




Yes, this is true. At some point each of us wake up to the gag and discover the lies.
For some, it occurs very quickly, and for others gradually and for the last of them, never.
My journey to open eyes began in the 1980s. I always thought there was something wrong, but
couldn't put my finger on it. As time passed, it became clearer and clearer - by the time
Bush 2 was inaugurated, my eyes were wide open and I had yet much to see, but I saw plenty.
In a way, you could call it a death of the old person. Imagine being completely alienated
by your own country as if you were completely alienated by your own family.
So it was, and so it is.



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Not really knowing the specifics with the Colorado shooter, I think he was pushed to that extreme.
For him, in his mind, he was pushing back against whatever was pushing him and his act was his way
of pushing back. I think that is the way it is for most who have resorted to that extreme.
James Holmes may have a condition called Dysphoric Mania which is related to Bipolar Disorder.
"In the context of mental disorder, a mixed state, also known as dysphoric mania, agitated depression, or a mixed episode, is a condition during which symptoms of mania and depression occur simultaneously, such as agitation, anxiety, fatigue, guilt, impulsiveness, irritability, morbid or suicidal ideation, panic, paranoia, pressured speech and rage. Typical examples include tearfulness during a manic episode or racing thoughts during a depressive episode. One may also feel incredibly frustrated or be prone to fits of rage in this state, since one may feel like a failure and at the same time have a flight of ideas. Mixed states are often the most problematic period of mood disorders, during which susceptibility to substance abuse, panic disorder, commission of violence, suicide attempts, and other complications increase greatly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysphoric_mania
IF my theory is true, the root causes for his actions may be traceable-

Events leading to the shooting
Holmes' defense attorneys claimed in a motion he was a "psychiatric patient" of the medical director of Anschutz's Student Mental Health Services prior to the Aurora shooting; however, the prosecution disagrees with that claim.[41][42] Four days after the release of the defense attorney's motion, the judge required this information to be blacked out.[43] CBS News later reported that Holmes met with at least three mental health professionals at the University of Colorado prior to the massacre.[44]
Some of Holmes' acquaintances suspected prior to the shooting that Holmes suffered from mental illness and could be dangerous. Two weeks before the shooting, he sent a text message asking a graduate student if they had heard of the disorder dysphoric mania, and warning the student to stay away from him "because I am bad news."[45]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes
I want to know why the judge "blacked out" the info that later ties Holmes with UC mental health professionals.
Anti-depressants and other mind altering drugs can really screw things up - perhaps UC or Anschutz
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*** perhaps UC or Anschutz are liable - corruption in the court??? Someone being protected?
It's the little things like that raise a red flag - I'd want to know why the info was "blacked out"
Why do I want to know? because no matter how much a nation can loathe James Holmes, James Holmes still
has a right to a fair trial - IF pertinent information that supports Holmes, is withheld, then Holmes
will represent another statistic in the crooked system. - When that happens it only confirms the
corruption I already know exists. - kind of an ugly reminder, if you will.
Mind you, I am NOT upholding Holmes' crime, but monitoring the system. IF the representatives of government
fail to constitutionally execute laws with strict adherence to the regulations and guidelines - then.....
the US Constitution is toilet paper used properly and flushed down the toilet.
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Not really knowing the specifics with the Colorado shooter, I think he was pushed to that extreme.
For him, in his mind, he was pushing back against whatever was pushing him and his act was his way
of pushing back. I think that is the way it is for most who have resorted to that extreme.
James Holmes may have a condition called Dysphoric Mania which is related to Bipolar Disorder.



Menace to society, but society is a menace for most individuals.... It's sad, but when people become outcasts that's what happens or when they can't stand the system that's manipulative. Some people can't easily adapt to their environment and it's a question of their own survival. My partner told me before, every one is a little crazy but do express that craziness in your own private room... bc if you do it in public someone will snap your neck.
The justice system seeks vengeance. I always wondered how they measure the kind of punishment and the length of it. It's like, oh hey this is how you're going to pay for that wrong you did and you will suffer... but in the same way you did to the victim or worse than the victim?
Just a question.
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That's right. Justice = Vengeance - The problem is NOT addressing the root causes for the problems that lead to the
crimes which, in turn, demands justice. - IE like preventive medicine - In this society of "anything goes"
"free do as we damned well feel like doin'" - it shouldn't be any wonder why this nation is one sick puppy.
When they say "he was a loner" I think.... what did you and everyone else in his life do to make him feel accepted????
See where I am going with that???

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Another thing I've learned is that we ought be careful about flippantly labeling these people without considering
that we too have the potential to lose our own minds. - I knew someone who was in law enforcement - normal as all
get out, but one day he committed suicide when he blew his brains out with his .38 snubnose. I cleaned the gun for
him, tried to stop him. - "Normal" versus "Nut" - you never know who's next.
Which is why I say we all ought to be careful.
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Posted by Ellybean
I wrote an ethics paper on revenge this semester actually. I think I wrote enough about it for the rest of my life. Heh.
In general I don't believe the feelings of taking vengeance are wrong but that action of doing so is detrimental to personal development. I still don't believe in inaction. Karma or God or destiny is not guided by inaction, and as subservient to any of it we all should be purposeful in our actions. Instead of standing back and waiting and hoping for justice to happen one should take action within themselves to investigate their vengeance impulse in its origins and come to discover a new depth of their humanity in whatever way is meant to.
Though I do think there are such things as honorable acts of vengeance. I don't believe they can ever be committed without destroying and tearing down the individuals spirit, the revenge might be judged honorable in dire circumstances but you will never come out clean from it. It's the personal sacrifice you make.



elly, would you ever tempt a man to kill another man to prove his love for you so you could "honor" him?
IF not you what would you think of someone that did that?
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Posted by xygeneration

That's right. Justice = Vengeance - The problem is NOT addressing the root causes for the problems that lead to the
crimes which, in turn, demands justice. - IE like preventive medicine - In this society of "anything goes"
"free do as we damned well feel like doin'" - it shouldn't be any wonder why this nation is one sick puppy.
When they say "he was a loner" I think.... what did you and everyone else in his life do to make him feel accepted????
See where I am going with that???




Exactly, but the system is DESIGNED that way. It keeps some people at the bottom of the barrel. Who cares for addressing the root causes? It's not that we don't have time for it or we don't have any solutions. It's systematic and what makes up society are a bunch of sheep.
Look at feminism, the men up probably thought "well alright, let them make their money and do shyt they want and THINK there's equality"... in turn this hurts the family.. parents have no time to spend time with their children let alone have both parents in their lives. So you end up having kids running around with guns, because nobody can understand them. If they talk it sounds ridiculous to the other person. I read on the newspaper that the Colorado shooter would pay a whore not to have sex, but for someone to talk to. Imagine that? He wanted a therapist/friend who will listen to him for a reasonable price. I don't believe that people have to be medicated, to fix* mental problems. Sometimes the drug itself make the condition much worse or it doesn't mix well with other drugs. I know someone who took antidepressants before and just the fact that he was prescribed it (he didn't want it, it wasn't going to solve his problems), he actually became more distant and so engulfed in his own world.

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^^^ I will answer xygeneration's reply later - I need to lie down for a bit.
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At the end, scorpios do revenge. They can't help it. The younger less life experience, the greater the revenge.
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