Will the freeze out ever thaw?

I read all these posts and it has opened my eyes. There is so much here!! A lot of it has made me see things through Scorpio eyes, which, for some reason is different until you understand it, then I was like, why didn't I see that before? I do now. Thanks to you guys!!

I am unfortunately in the middle of a freeze out due to me not knowing what was going on. One of the things I have learned here is to simply take him at his word. If he says it, that's how it is.

I've made a lot of mistakes with this one. My doing. I'm pretty open and friendly with everyone, not realizing that men see that a little differently. I see no harm, he sees competition. What I failed to make clear was that he was the only one who had my heart.

I get frustrated when he pulls back so I pull back and keep busy, just like you all advised. At least I'm doing that part right. When he asked where I had been, I told him I wasn't seeing any interest from him...but I never said...because I need you everyday. He quietly says...I'll always be interested.

But then he's gone again.

I don't know what to do. I know my eyes are open now and that will help. I just don't know where I am with him. He's gone again. It might be something as innocent as he is just busy but I read that as "too busy for you".

See, that's another thing that drives me flippin wild. A lot of what is normal for these guys is so clearly sending the I'm not into you signal. How do we stop it? Can you stop it??

Can you lead me to where I need to be?

LOL Oh, I'm so thinking you are right....there is no understanding them at all. Of course, I ain't easy to live with either.

My FIL is a Scorpio and he is absolutely the most wonderful man I've ever known. He has the most incredible love story with the same woman for the last 70 years. Can you imagine? She's a Gemini, by the way 🙂 He still melts in her presence, touches her as if she were gold and is moved to tears by her Alzheimer's. Soulmates? You bet.

My relationship with him is the best. He spoils me rotten. Actually I think I amuse him a great deal because I am so a fan of his and so he tolerates me better than the rest. Maybe that's a clue!! Be their biggest fan!! He earned it.

My BFF husband is one too. Also one hell of a guy. Hard worker, faithful and loyal, great dad, very patient. He has an easy laugh and is very laid back but his determination is second to none.

I look at these men with approval. I see these same qualities in the Scorpio that is driving me insane. It's just this time, I want the man I admire.

I know there is some negative stuff here and I will stand in the "they frustrate the hell out of me" line but I will also tell you that when they are good, they are very, very good.

Taurus is my next faorite. Also very good men, who are patient but also require a lot of patience. LOL

Ok. I get ya SimplyMe. Ain't no danger of me bending too much. I've got both Scorpio and Taurus in my chart. I understand what you are warning me of. Understanding has to be on both sides. And what you are warning is so true with what I know of them. They do not like weakness. Bending too much is failing test #101. I get it. Thanks!! I've got that PH'D in bitch that I earned.

I'm just trying to figure out if he's real, if this is worth it or if he's a player and I've just lost my mind.

Being patient is not my strong suit. I have so much other stuff going on. I have a great life and want him to be part of it...I just don't wanna walk too soon.

FA...he is incredible!! He is beyond strong. His children respect him so much that even though some of them are in their 60's now, they do not question him at all. Perhaps they were taught that early on. He is a very kind man but you don't cross him. That's clear.

Then there is me.

I love him, worship him, and he knows this. I can go to him after he has deliverd an ultimatum and simply say...you know, that isn't working for me. He will try hard not to smile and look stern but I see that twinkle in his eyes and I think because I am respectful always he lets me get by with it.

Can you stand a Scorpio story?

I went outside one day to find him on a ladder. He was taking down a bird's nest on the patio. Because of this nest, there was shit everywhere, literally. There were eggs in the nest. I wanted to watch the baby birds grow and fly away. He didn't. Here comes the battle of the wills.

His house. His porch. He wanted it gone.

I watched him. I knew what he was doing. He was pretty upset too. Tired of the mess. As he climbed back down the ladder with the nest, I sighed. He looked at me. I said once more that I had hoped to see the baby birds grow up and fly away. He grumbled again about the mess. So I looked in his eyes and said...isn't that like a bird abortion?

His eyes opened wide and I saw fire! I let the question hang in the air. His nostrils flared open. I waited. He looked down at the nest and the three little eggs. When he looked back and me, and I was holding my breath, his eyes were brimmed with tears. He said not one word but simply turned and climbed back up the ladder and put the nest back in it's place. I got him a glass of lemonade, smiled and said nothing. He asked, are you happy? I smiled again. Yes. We sat on the glider and moved on.

I got to see the baby birds. His porch remained a mess. All summer long the nest stayed. In the fall he took it down. End of story? Yep. End of love? No way. I love him fierce.

Thanks Ferdy. That's one huge thing I've learned here. Take them at their word. Not like some of the others who spout BS and don't mean a word of it. Of course, the Scorpio doesn't guarantee the honesty, that's still a man to man thing, but I will try to remember they may be men of few words and the words they say should be heard and remembered.

I'm wondering now if I should just come clean and say dude, you're all that and a bag of chips. Should I keep that secret, wait for him to say it first?

Very wise words Flip Flop..."But all I can say is, its a long trial and error learning process for both" Thank you.

FA...I can honestly say that the Scorpio's I know are good ones. They have a very strong sense of family, even if it's little bird families. I've seen that same FIL cut someone to the quick if need be. Luckily, he seems to be amused by me so I haven't felt his wrath yet. I think you're right, the reason is respect. I've also seen how deep that loyalty goes. It's awesome!!

This is my first time with one romantically. That whole push pull thing puzzles me. After being here for a week or so, I think I see it now like the ocean. Very deep and moving tides of emotion. The ocean fascinates me too and like Scorpio men, can be very soothing to a weary soul.

"Why are there not enough hours in the day for me to do everything that I want to do and need to do, and to see who I want to see and need to see?"

Bad time management?

"Well I have 1001 things to do right now since doomsday is approaching. But I have only done half of what I was suppose to do. Sad that one only realises half way accross one's life, what is truly important to one."

You're 40?!

Oh and Aqua, I hope this furry goodness would help stave off the breakdown:

"My life expectancy is 55"

How come?

"Average life expectancy of my community,"

Um, don't you have access to much better health care than them?

"ulllch. i left at 8 pm. worked through lunch, both me and them(if you know what i mean) and had to fix that which was a logistical nightmare. i just get engrossed in things and lose track of time. then i look up again and it's eight pm. i had four messages on my phone, and they all sounded irritated. i'm afraid to call back. i'm going to sleep it all away and worry about it all tomorrow...will buy myself one of those big, black, dorky digital wrist watches with the flashing alarm on it. i'm going to beep every hour on the hour and will start a trend for sure. i don't know what else to do. i have no internal clock. well, i do when i'm aware of it. i can't be aware of it and productive at the same time."

Uh, I like puppies.

"But more city dewellers such as yours truly, will die younger. As was the case with MY grandparents. "

Did they also live in America, though?

Well, women have a higher Life expectancy than men(is it because they steal our life-force? possibly), and there would be quite a lot of advancements in medicine by the time you're 55, so I think you're being a bit pessimistic.

"Oh, doomsday. It took me a minute.
I know what you're talking about, but I don't have any idea of what you can expect.
It will be good. I do know that. I don't how I know, but I do.

Yama, that puppy was just the shot of cute that i needed. i may survive another day.

Sleep, work, buy watch.
Sleep, work, set watch, live life by watch.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Kitties and puppies.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Make babies. Grow babies. Boobs sag to knees.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Sleep, work, live life by watch.
Die."

I'm thinking the world would be a much better place if we substitute alcoholism with puppy-videos.

Also, I'm sure kids would totally enliven your days. Just wait until you return home to find your kid broke a window with his head or burned his mattress(the first one was only partially my fault).

"If you have a sucky diet, you will suffer."

So...how about not having a sucky diet?

I mean we're talking about:
Eating unhealthy yummy food VS. Not worrying that life passes you by when you're bloody twenty-five.

"See, that's another thing that drives me flippin wild. A lot of what is normal for these guys is so clearly sending the I'm not into you signal. How do we stop it? Can you stop it?"

My BF used to do a lot of pulling away, but this is what I have been doing and I don't have the problem anymore.

I have found that the secret is to let them know they are number one completely at all times, but keep your space and your seperate life at the same time. Don't contact him first, but when he does contact you contact him back right away if you can and give him your full attention when you are talking to him . Don't make him wait for a return call or text because this makes him insecure and it makes him pull away. Always be very glad to hear from him and tell him you miss him when he calls (If you are at that point in the relationship make sure he wants to hear that from you). Get up and leave his house early every once in a while or kick him out of your house to go do something that you enjoy doing with friends but act like it's just killing you to have to leave him.

I went out to dinner with my friends on Saturday night and didn't invite him. I told him that it was a very expensive dinner and I didn't want him to feel obligated to go and that I wasn't even going to ask him. He was so flattered that I let him off the hook and he asked me to come over afterwards. I said yes and I told him I would be there about 9:30 or 10:00. I didn't get there until 11:00, but I kept sending him a text message to let him know what was going on and that I was having fun and that I would be there soon to attack him. When I got there I kissed and hugged all over him and told him that I wished he had been there that it was so much fun and that everyone had asked about him and had wished I would have brought him. He LOVED IT and said he wanted to go next time! He completely spoiled me to death all day on Sunday and was begging me not to leave today.

Ever since I started to act this way, he is back to contacting me a few times a day just like he did in the beginning. They just don't like to feel the pressure that they are your only source of happiness so I think we need to make them feel very secure, but also let them know that we would be fine without them so they better treat you right or you will walk.

I have found that treating him this way makes him feel very secure, but he does not feel smothered and he has no reason to pull away. Try it. It really works for me.

Thank you GS!! I had given up getting any help 🙂 I sure haven't been doing what you suggested!!

When we first met, it was him that came on like he was fighting fire, all brazen and bold. Then after the initial spat, he backed off and has never been the same. I never looked at it as waiting to see where he stands until you mentioned it. Makes perfect sense!!

I do keep busy because although I do so want him, I also want a life. I check my email and notice when he's online but I won't initiate IM's. He has a right to privacy and space too!! I think I've done a real good job of letting him know my life doesn't revolve around him and maybe that wasn't such a good idea.

I will listen to you. Thank you for taking the time to share those ideas with me. I appreciate it so much. He really is cool 🙂

Hi Ferdy!! *waving*

Shit no, LOL Ain't nothing changed except me!! I needed to change. I was looking at things all wrong. Woman thing, I guess. Bossy ass Libra thing too!! LOL I haven't been following this thread either since those two took it over and used it instead of IM'ing each other.

What is going on with you!! Sounds like someone has a bruised ego!! So he told you that was a one way relationship?? WTH?? LOL Is that his way of letting you know he doesn't think you're doing your part?? MEN!!

You hang in there!! He's fishing.

Me? Well, I'm still in the middle of a freeze out. He IM'd me when I was in the middle of something major last week so my answers were short and direct. LOL I think he took it as me blowing him off. Figures!! So he's gone again....but not before he got snippy with me. Wish I would have had Ferdy's last post then!!

You know, if it wasn't for him being so...well, so him...and the support I found here, I probably would have told him to kiss my ass a long time ago. I hate these stupid games but now at least I know it's just to make sure they know where they stand and I understand that. That's cool.

I want you to remember this guy picked you. It wasn't by accident. He did it on purpose. So did you. There is something there that both of you want. It's worth it when you get to that place where you look in his eyes and see forever.

Or a ball bat!! LOL Just kidding. It's worth it.

My 2 cents......I'm a Taurus involved with a male scorp, Be being the bull that I am, I don't find it easy to show my emotions & feelings, you'll find me with a blank look on my face most times, this makes me hard to read which is intriguing for him but at the same time scary. He is VERY sensitive & he takes my aloofness as lack of caring. I have to make extra effort to assure him that I do care because it's hard for me to show it. So like GS said.... I try really hard to text him back right away & answer his calls, if I can't get to the phone then I call back asap, to not do so would cause him to think in his sensitive mind, that I don't want to talk to him or that I'm doing something wrong....these scorp guys have very active imaginations!

Being with them means constantly reassuring them that you do in fact like them, love them, want them, miss them. At the same time... you have to be able to fill the time that your not together but continue to let them know you'd rather be with them LOL it's a tricky juggling act. I think GS was spot on!

Mine has given me the silent treatment/freeze out whatever you want to call it a couple of times, none of which lasted more than 24 hrs. When he does this, always by the way, because I've done something that hurt his feelings without realizing & unintentional... I let him sulk, think, whatever it is he needs to do for a few hours & then I'll send him a text saying something like..."I miss you" He always gets back to me within a few hours with a " we can talk later.....IF you want" See the "IF"? They are sooo worried that you don't have the same feelings for them, that they have for you.....It's a protection thing for them.

What are you gonna do though? Can't live with them & you CAN'T live without them! He drives me insane sometimes with his sensitivity & over protection But I love him more than anything 🙂

"Libra - from what they tell me on here, the more you resist them, the more they
return so you blowing him off probably turned him on!"

No, No, In my expereince and since I am a Scorpio too, this does not work with a scorp. We hate rejection and you can't scold us. If we do something wrong you have to just we did wrong we will make up for it without you saying a word. If we don't realize what we did to offend you and you have to confront him on something you have to be very careful how you tell him that something upsets you that he did. You can't be accusatory. You have to tell him how something made you feel. Then you have to ask the question can you see why it made me feel this way? (Get agreement from him) Then say, I'm sure you didn't mean to make me feel this way, but I am feeling this way and I'm upset. This will get you a hug instead of a fight. Only talk to them about serious issues in person too, not on IM or on the phone or by text. The Scorpio male will have problems figuring out his emotions and what he wants to say for a while because he will be stunned that you are even upset with him. Accusing him and trying to make him feel guilty will only get his defenses up and backfire on you as you have already seen.

"If we do something wrong you have to just we did wrong we will make up for it without you saying a word."

I messed this sentence up. What I meant to say is

If we do something wrong you have to just pull away and make us think that you might be leaving us. If we KNOW what it is we did wrong this action will get us to make up for what we did without you having to say a word.

"If they pick the right girl to begin with and that girl is speaking from
her heart when she says she's crazy about him, he shouldn't doubt that and
play mind f $ ck games to keep making your prove over & over just how much you
love them. That's childish."

It may be childish but it's what you have to do if you want to be with a Scorpio. Telling him once that you are crazy about him won't work. He needs to know that you are not changing your mind. You are the one who said it right "these scorp guys have very active imaginations!"

Is it really that hard to say it on a regular basis if it keeps him secure and keeps the relationship strong? Of course like I said though you have to do it in a non-clingy, non-needy sort of way which is the tricky part. In the long run you are the one who gets exactly what you want, because if the scorpio is secure you will have the most loyal and loving mate in the world.

gslove are you serious—————?

Yes I am serious, but I think that Ferdy and I are talking about 2 different things and two different levels of maturity in a scorpio guy. I'm not saying that you should reward bad behavior like what her man is doing, but if a guy is giving it his all and treating you right and you want things to move along in the relationship and you don't like it when he pulls away then I think you need to make sure that he is secure in how you feel about him. I'm not talking about telling him that you love him before he tells you or anything like that. He still needs to lead, but I'm just talking about not playing those games of playing hard to get and acting like you are not glad to hear from them or not returning his calls because you don't want to seem too available. Guys know when we play those games just like we know when they are playing those games.

I'm also not going to be one
of those chicks that is saying "I love you" all day long to reassure him.

I'm not even talking about that. I agree that is sickening. I just mean don't do anything to make him feel insecure. If he tells you that he loves you then tell him back. If he calls answer the call or call him back pretty quickly. If you are out with your friends let him know you are thinking about him by sending a little text to say wish you were here. Even if you don't wish he was there. Just little things like that to make him feel like you are not going anywhere, but that you still have your own life. Think about it. Isn't that the way you want to be treated??

"gslove that is stuff you do at the beginning of a relationship...you cant keep doing that year on year. It's not your responsibility to make the man feel secure. He's an adult."

Well yeah!! But it takes a long time for a scorp to trust someone to that degree and until that time you have to do everything you can to build the trust. A scorp needs to know without a doubt that they can trust you completely before you can relax on that, but yes once we trust then we REALLY trust and it would take a lot to break the trust. If we really trust someone we would have a hard time believing that our SO did anything bad even if we were told blatantly. What?? you say you slept with my man— You lieing whore!! LOL!!!

I agree with everything GS has said! Thank God someone else is in the same boat! LOL I'm in the beginning stages of my relationship, I can't answer for GS but yeah, in the beginning of a relationship when your learning each other & building trust if these are the things that make him feel secure then I have no problem doing that because it's reciprocated. Honestly, I can completely understand why he needs these things done.

"It's not your responsibility to make the man feel secure"
It's not? No it's not your responsibility to make the man feel secure as a person, as a man, but isn't it your responsibility to make your man feel secure in your relationship? I know for myself I need for my partner to make me feel secure, to know that I'm being a good partner to him, to know that he's happy & that we are building something significant with each other. If I never got any feed back AKA reassurance, well then I don't think I'd feel like the relationship was solid OR another word for that..... secure.

I've read that this is typical of scorps in the beginning until you gain their trust & then once they're secure they ease up, That makes sense to me, so if this is what he needs then that is what I'll give, that's what a relationship is about anyway. IMO

"Doesn't mean you don't love the guy but to constantly have to reassure him? nope."

LOL!! You act like it's such hard work. I like the response I get and that's why I do it. It doesn't feel like it's a chore. My BF is loving and honest about his feelings now because he is not afraid of my response and he doesn't feel the need to "one up me" by going out with his friends and staying out longer than I stayed out with my friends because he got insecure about me going out. He doesn't give me the cold shoulder because I didn't call him back for a few hours after he has left me a really sweet message. I'm just treating him the way I want to be treated. If I called him and left him a really sweet message, which would be very hard for me to do by the way, and he just ignored it and didn't call me back and tell me how sweet the message was that would be the last time I ever did that. If he went out with his friends on a night that normally he and I are together and didn't even bother to act like he was dissapointed that he wasn't with me or let me know that he missed me even though he had fun you better bet I would be pulling away because I would feel a bit rejected. Since I'm a scorpio I know what kind of behavior would keep me from feeling insecure so I just do what I would have wanted him to do if the situation was reversed.

It takes a lot less effort in the long run than to have to deal with the "Freeze Out" that everyone talks about on here. I had the "freeze out" happen twice since this relationship started. Once just slightly and once in a big way and both times it was because he was doubting that I wanted to date him still or because he still felt the need to impress me and felt like I might reject him. If all I have to do is keep him feeling secure to get him acting like I want him to act then I'm happy.

After I went out with my friends on Saturday night instead of going out with him like I normally do and made him feel secure about it I got totally spoiled the next day. He cooked for me not once but twice, he was complementing me like crazy all day, he couldn't stop touching me and massaging me. I have no doubt that if I would have handled that situation differently that I would have been dealing with "Freeze Out" instead of having that great day.

Right on CanTaur!!! I'm glad you understand what I'm trying to say here. It has nothing to do with me being a wimp or my man being a wimp. It's just relationship and trust building stuff that we should always do in a relationship. I even think that you still need to be doing this stuff 20 years later too. What is wrong with showing a little respect for your relationship and making an effort to make someone feel secure and that they are the most important thing in your life. That doesn't mean you you have to make that person your whole life and if you treat them respectfully this way they will not expect you to drop your life for them because they feel secure.

"A scorp male in love with you will NEVER feel secure in the relationship, no matter how long you've been with him. 20 years on, I can go out with my girlfriends and I'm getting 5 texts throughout the evening asking when I'm coming home.

At the break of dawn...hon."

Haha!! Elena, I love you!! you crack me up!!

I respectfully have to disagree. I think you CAN get a scorp to feel secure and gain his trust but it won't be by going out with your girlfriends and staying out til dawn. LOL!!
You just have to be one step ahead of his insecurity that's all. Text him before he texts you and just let him know you are thinking about him. If you aren't coming home until late text him and say "I thought I would be leaving by now, but it's taking forever to get our bill" or "another friend just showed up so I'm going to stay for another hour but make sure you are naked in bed so I can attack you when I get home." Then when you come home and snuggle up next to him tell him that you had fun, but there is nowhere else you would rather be but right here next to him. He will love all of that so much that he will probably start encouraging you to go out with your friends more.

"Most men don't need to be texted or called to let them know their
gf's whereabouts everytime they leave the house. That's a very clingy thing to do, I think. I mean, yeah, it's common courtesy to let him know (if he asks) where you are going, but I don't think two independent people need to tell the other person all their
whereabouts and I can guarantee that Scorp man isn't going to tell where HE is hiding
out! That's for sure!! "Secretive" is their middle name. Also most Scorp people I know crave their independence and would be thrilled if their GF/Wife/Husband have friends and hobbies beyond just them. I don't want anyone around me 24/7 that's a fact.

If it's working for you, then good for you"

Ferdy, I give up!! You are just not getting it. How can you not get that this is how I keep my Scorpio independence?? I'm in no way giving up anything or spending 24/7 with a man or telling him my whereabouts. My BF has no idea what I am doing or even who I am doing it with most of the time. In fact, he doesn't even ask because he doesn't need to. He trusts me so he doesn't give me a hard time or the 3rd degree. This is how I keep my freedom!!!

"BF has no idea what I am doing or even who I am doing it with most of the time."

Reminds me that with scorps itz a "dont ask - dont tell" policy which works best.

"I don't think two independent people need to tell the other person all their
whereabouts and I can guarantee that Scorp man isn't going to tell where HE is hiding
out! That's for sure!! "Secretive" is their middle name. Also most Scorp people I know crave their independence and would be thrilled if their GF/Wife/Husband have friends and hobbies beyond just them. I don't want anyone around me 24/7 that's a fact."

HELP! I'm a prisoner of a Scorp! LOL 🙂 Geez is that the way you think it is? It's really not like that, for me anyway, I go places all the time & don't call him 1st to tell him where I'm going, with whom & when I'll be back However....if he texts me while I'm out & asks what I'm doing I'll be more than happy to tell him. He has no problem with me living my own life he just doesn't want to be frozen out of it. 🙂 He does the same with me WITHOUT me asking I might add, he texts & or calls me throughout the day to check in with me & let me know how his day is going & what he's up to. This doesn't bother me at all, do I need him to do it? No I've never asked him to do this but I again, I don't mind hearing his voice through out the day either.

"Reminds me that with scorps itz a "dont ask - dont tell" policy which works best."

Yep!! That is my policy. I don't tell my BF a ton of stuff. He just thinks that I do. I don't lie to him. If he asks then I tell him, but honestly he really doesn't ask that much because he is not worried about what I'm doing. I will however get myself in big trouble like Elena says if he finds out that I'm keeping anything from him so I try to be very careful about my secretiveness. When I'm not with him and I go out with friend for dinner or something I might not even tell him about it when he calls. I just will talk about the rest of my day and skip right over that part. He will just assume that I worked late and I just let him assume that. Not because I'm afraid to tell him. I just don't want to give him a reason to start thinking about what I'm doing when we aren't together.

"through the little texts when you're out, you best believe he'll expect it for the duration of your relationship"

If that's what I need to do to keep my freedom and keep him from asking a bunch of questions and giving me the 3rd degree and keep him secure and trusting than I am perfectly fine with that.

OK I kinda screwed this last post up LOL when he texts or calls it's usually simple like ...."just wanted to say Hi before class starts" or "I'm driving to_____ & traffic sucks" The texts aren't "who are you with, what are you doing etc." type texts LOL at the end of the day he'll call & say how was your day, what did you...... but isn't this how normal relationships go? Don't you take a interest in what your partners doing & how their day went? I do 🙂

"He does the same with me WITHOUT me asking I might add, he texts & or calls me throughout the day to check in with me & let me know how his day is going & what he's up to."

My BF does the same exact thing and I love it. I know that he is a Scorpio too and that he is a bit secretive and he doesn't tell me everything he is doing all of the time, but I don't really care and I also don't ask him, because I trust him and I know he isn't doing anything. If however he didn't keep in contact I would definitely get my Scorpio suspicious nature going and I would probably start asking him questions. I think we both secretly have this understanding with each other and it just works for us. We have never even had to discuss it we just both know that that's what each other needs to feel secure.

"I'm not with him and I go out with friend for dinner or something I might not even tell him about it when he calls"

I have been through this - and I always knew that I was being given an altered version of everything. But one has to live with certain things.

Again Ferdy, you are talking about something completely different than what Cantaur and I are talking about. We are not talking about letting someone control us trying to control another person. We are talking about bulding a normal adult relationship through mutual respect.

"I have been through this - and I always knew that I was being given an altered version of everything. But one has to live with certain things."

I'm pretty sure he knows that I am giving him an altered version too. I guess it's my subtle way of telling him that he doesn't need to know my every move and that I don't feel the need to report everything to him and that I like having my secrets and I think he completely understands that because he is the same exact way.

LOL @ Elena....That's right, let us not forget about texting! 🙂
Hey, I know texting wasn't available a few years ago but it is now so I'll use it 🙂

& GS is right, it's not about control, it's about respect & understanding & It's about building trust with someone. I have no bad feelings & it doesn't piss me off in least if he should happen to ask what my plans are for the day or if he should happen to send a TEXT LOL to ask what I'm up to.

"Hey, I know texting wasn't available a few years ago but it is now so I'll use it"

Plus it's a lot easier to be vague and secretive when you are texting. LOL!!

Wow!! There are so many good pieces of advice here!! Thanks to all of you!! I have so much to learn. Just like men and women talk differently, they act differently too and each piece of advice here is another piece of the puzzle. I hear the warnings. I see it as learning a different language. It helps communication, which is always the key to success in any relationship.

GS, I think you and I have a real similar pattern going here. I read with great interest the things you took the time to mention and it all makes sense. I never knew!! Little things you mentioned like the texting....lol I see now that some of the things I thought didn't matter really could be seen by him as non interest from me, so it isn't really a freeze out just him not realizing he is wanted.

I gotta go back now and read it all again!! Thank you all so much. If I could rewind it all, how much differently I would have handled it. Can't do that though!! I bet he will eventually thaw and come back. I hope so anyway. It might be nice to have a man who can not only go toe to toe with me but also know that the first body part in a relationship of value is the heart. Scorpio's know this without being told.

"If a scorpio wants you, non interest is not gonna stop him from pursuing you. I dont think freezing you out has anything to do with him thinking you're not interested"

Why do you think they pull away then Elena? I'm just interested in hearing a different opinion 🙂

Also, could you please look at my B/Fs chart.... I had you do this before & you told me to run away LOL but I had the wrong birth year haha So watcha think now?

Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Scorpio 4.52 Ascendant Taurus 2.43
Moon Leo 17.55 II Gemini 4.11
Mercury Libra 17.20 III Gemini 27.08
Venus Virgo 18.38 IV Cancer 18.22
Mars Cancer 2.09 V Leo 12.32
Jupiter Aries 17.39 R VI Virgo 15.36
Saturn Leo 2.42 VII Scorpio 2.43
Uranus Scorpio 2.57 VIII Sagittarius 4.11
Neptune Sagittarius 10.13 IX Sagittarius 27.08
Pluto Libra 10.08 Midheaven Capricorn 18.22
Lilith Pisces 29.36 XI Aquarius 12.32
Asc node Scorpio 21.51 XII Pisces 15.36




Aspects
The following table shows the planetary aspects in your natal chart. Short interpretations are found below.



Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Trine Mars 2.43 53
Sun Square Saturn 2.10 -63
Sun Conjunction Uranus 1.55 420
Sun Opposition Ascendant 2.09 -152
Moon Sextile Mercury 0.35 290
Moon Trine Jupiter 0.16 135
Moon Trine Neptune 7.42 4
Mercury Opposition Jupiter 0.19 -251
Mercury Conjunction Pluto 7.12 101
Mercury Square Midheaven 1.02 -66
Venus Trine Midheaven 0.16 34
Mars Trine Uranus 0.48 41
Mars Sextile Ascendant 0.34 51
Jupiter Trine Neptune 7.26 5
Jupiter Opposition Pluto 7.31 -20
Jupiter Square Midheaven 0.43 -44
Saturn Square Uranus 0.15 -47
Saturn Trine Neptune 7.31 3
Saturn Square Ascendant 0.01 -28
Uranus Opposition Ascendant 0.14 -58
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0.05 59
1196 -729 467

LOL sooo the Leo made him do it huh? hahaha BTW he took them down & apologized after I told him that was a no-no 🙂
So here's mine......
Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Taurus 19.08 Ascendant Sagittarius 26.54
Moon Gemini 22.19 II Aquarius 2.04
Mercury Aries 22.55 III Pisces 10.12
Venus Gemini 15.35 IV Aries 14.36
Mars Leo 12.07 V Taurus 12.21
Jupiter Cancer 4.44 VI Gemini 5.27
Saturn Leo 23.50 VII Gemini 26.54
Uranus Scorpio 14.10 R VIII Leo 2.04
Neptune Sagittarius 17.42 R IX Virgo 10.12
Pluto Libra 14.27 R Midheaven Libra 14.36
Lilith Cancer 12.33 XI Scorpio 12.21
Asc node Libra 5.14 XII Sagittarius 5.27




Aspects
The following table shows the planetary aspects in your natal chart. Short interpretations are found below.



Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Square Saturn 4.43 -21
Sun Opposition Uranus 4.57 -117
Moon Sextile Mercury 0.36 289
Moon Conjunction Venus 6.44 210
Moon Sextile Saturn 1.32 112
Moon Opposition Neptune 4.37 -107
Moon Trine Pluto 7.52 2
Moon Opposition Ascendant 4.35 -88
Moon Trine Midheaven 7.43 3
Mercury Trine Saturn 0.56 74
Mercury Trine Neptune 5.13 35
Mercury Opposition Pluto 8.28 -11
Mercury Trine Ascendant 3.59 40
Mercury Opposition Midheaven 8.19 -12
Venus Sextile Mars 3.28 35
Venus Opposition Neptune 2.06 -138
Venus Trine Pluto 1.08 69
Venus Trine Midheaven 0.59 61
Mars Square Uranus 2.03 -59
Mars Trine Neptune 5.34 24
Mars Sextile Pluto 2.20 59
Mars Sextile Midheaven 2.29 46
Jupiter Opposition Ascendant 7.49 -17
Saturn Trine Neptune 6.09 10
Saturn Trine Ascendant 3.04 17
Neptune Sextile Pluto 3.14 11
Neptune Conjunction Ascendant 9.13 6
Neptune Sextile Midheaven 3.05 9
Pluto Conjunction Midheaven 0.09 39
1151 -570 581

Tell me we're a match made in heaven! LOL or better yet...the truth will do just fine 🙂

Thank you soo much Elena, sorry for being a BuggaBoo LOL I didn't change it up to suit me better, I'm a dingbat & I was off on his birth year making him 1 year younger then he actually is 🙂 Well this chart looks MUCH better than the last, Now I can wipe the sweat from my brow & relax a lil bit, the last chart painted him as a huge womanizer & with the naked pics ......LMAO well I thought that was proof enough, turns out I guess that Leo moon of his just needed some extra attention huh? hahaha Thanks again Elena!

Elena, you said....

"If a scorpio wants you, non interest is not gonna stop him from pursuing you. I dont think freezing you out has anything to do with him thinking you're not interested...but feel free to text him if you so wish."

I'm gonna assume you know what you are talking about since apparently I do not. There's my answer. Non interest.

He can kiss my ass. Hell hath no fury like a Libra tornado. There will be no text. There will be no email. There will be nothing. Just as he wants.

I really don't think I could deal with a male scorp! The women are some of my best friends but the things I hear about the men....we would have WWIII

LC, How long has it been since the two of you have had any contact?

FA, Who has too much gemeni? 🙂

CT, it's been 2 weeks. I sent him an email simply saying I miss you, which I know he read a couple days ago and still nothing. I sent it to open up the door and was all prepared to do as GS kindly suggested but his lack of response again just screams I'm not into you or more head games.

It will be a cold day in hell now before I take him seriously again or mess with another Scorpio.

You know, it's just wrong to come on so strong and then pretend to be genuine, sincere and kind when time proves they are nothing but players who enjoy the game. I got played.

Wow LC yeah I can see why you'd be frustrated! I wish I had better advice to offer but I'm with my 1st scorp & he's gotten mad at me & given the silent treatment but that's never lasted for longer then a a day or so. After a couple weeks I'd probably be ready to call it quits too. GS & Elena I'm sure could offer better advice as GS IS a Scorp with a Scorp & Elena is married to one so I'm curious to see what they make of this. He said he'd always need you, yet hasn't spoken to you in weeks & hasn't responded to your e-mail.......How shitty! 😢