A Water Sign's Approach to Dealing with Bulls

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There are many threads created by Water signs on the Taurus forums. There is always a lot of miscommunication regarding Earth and Water signs.
First and Foremost, I DO love water signs. (Pisces, Cancers, Scorpios).
But with a Bull, you can't always expect us to express love the way you do.
Because we're not giving you constant affirmation, an overwhelming amount of attention, or an over-romanticized demonstration of love it doesn't mean that we're cold, aloof, insensitive, or uninterested.
We're Slow.
Level-Headed.
This means we gradually pick and select who we allow in our inner circle.
We do NOT allow our emotions to dictate our actions.
If we sense that your intentions are genuine, we will carefully assess a potential partner.
We will watch you closely, but somewhat keep you at bay to safeguard our hearts.
We're active listeners and keen observers.
You will be amazed to know how much information is retained once we develop interest in a suitable partner.
We don't have to be in your presence 24/7 to read you.
Trust me, we've learned enough.
When we do 'choose' you.
Please don't question our sincerity.
We find it offensive.
You were selected over a lot of other candidates. (Not trying to 'toot' our own horn, but the truth is the truth).
We're the marriage partners of the zodiac, there will be others interested in us besides you during the initial courtship.
So if you're a part of our integral circle. We love and trust you.
It speaks magnitudes and volumes about who you are.
If we can deem you loyal and trustworthy...why can't you do the same?
As for the attention issues.
We're workaholics, yes, because we're earth signs.
We're building a future with you.
But keep in mind, after work, we DO come home.
Ask yourself what incentives are being presented to us when we DO get home?
Are you affectionate? understanding? an active listener? drama free? exuding positive scents? (ex, scented candles, cologne, perfume)cooking? funny and entertaining?

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Oh I absolutely love this post! Well said...well said...
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If you want us to understand your emotions and need for reassurance, you will have to learn and understand us as well.
Our behavioral patterns, moods, passions, and moments of silence when we're just in 'thinking mode.' (yes,, we can be quite predictable).
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VERY well put! Describes my bull to a capital T.
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Im not a water sign, but too bad I didnt read this two days ago. I told my Taurus I dont think we are real friends, which I dont, and he seemed pretty offended. Imo, there's no way you can be a real friend when feelings are involved....its more along the lines fwb, and Im not comfortable with that.
I told him I want to be his friend more than anything...meaning we should stop blurring the lines, and he asked me what do I consider a real friend. I wrote several long texts and he claims he didnt recieve them *sigh* lol. Ah well..
I probably shouldnt have rocked the boat, cause I have a feeling my point on our friendship will be proved but Id rather be comfortable in "knowing" exactly whats going on.
Im an earth sign too so I understand the slowness, but I think as long as Taurus make their intentions and direction clear, thru communication, things "should" be okay with most.
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Posted by lnana04

Im an earth sign too so I understand the slowness, but I think as long as Taurus make their intentions and direction clear, thru communication, things "should" be okay with most.


Inana, there are unspoken words with Cappies. I don't know your Taurus man, but if I had to take an educated guess, I would assume he feels that he doesn't have to verbalize anything with you. I feel this way with Virgos too. Familiarity, comfort, a sense of peace, no drama, moments of silence and immediate understanding.
Have you presented any incentive to your Taurus man? The ones I listed.
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Posted by TaurusBull1977
There are many threads created by Water signs on the Taurus forums. There is always a lot of miscommunication regarding Earth and Water signs.
First and Foremost, I DO love water signs. (Pisces, Cancers, Scorpios).
But with a Bull, you can't always expect us to express love the way you do.
Because we're not giving you constant affirmation, an overwhelming amount of attention, or an over-romanticized demonstration of love it doesn't mean that we're cold, aloof, insensitive, or uninterested.
We're Slow.
Level-Headed.
This means we gradually pick and select who we allow in our inner circle.
We do NOT allow our emotions to dictate our actions.
If we sense that your intentions are genuine, we will carefully assess a potential partner.
We will watch you closely, but somewhat keep you at bay to safeguard our hearts.
We're active listeners and keen observers.
You will be amazed to know how much information is retained once we develop interest in a suitable partner.
We don't have to be in your presence 24/7 to read you.
Trust me, we've learned enough.
When we do 'choose' you.
Please don't question our sincerity.
We find it offensive.
You were selected over a lot of other candidates. (Not trying to 'toot' our own horn, but the truth is the truth).
We're the marriage partners of the zodiac, there will be others interested in us besides you during the initial courtship.
So if you're a part of our integral circle. We love and trust you.
It speaks magnitudes and volumes about who you are.
If we can deem you loyal and trustworthy...why can't you do the same?
As for the attention issues.
We're workaholics, yes, because we're earth signs.
We're building a future with you.
But keep in mind, after work, we DO come home.
Ask yourself what incentives are being presented to us when we DO get home?
Are you affectionate? understanding? an active listener? drama free? exuding positive scents? (ex, scented candles, cologne, perfume)cooking? funny and entertaining?




I cannot thank you enough for this. I really can't. . Timing in reading this could not be better. An ex that I'm still friends with is living with a Pisces but still has feelings for me...fellow Pisces. We've had conversations such as this and he's stated much of the above as to why he's not happy at home-drama, negative environment, etc. . And why he appreciate
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Posted by TaurusBull1977

Ask yourself what incentives are being presented to us when we DO get home?
Are you affectionate? understanding? an active listener? drama free? exuding positive scents? (ex, scented candles, cologne, perfume)cooking? funny and entertaining?




If someone possessed the qualities listed above you will have to pull me off with a crow bar for me to get off his Nuts! Tongue
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Posted by PetiteVeau
Yay, great post!
I'll chime in by saying that we do definitely take our time in assessing, and we pay close attention! Taurus looks for a very strong bond, something secure and built to last. This is why I wish people who enter relationships with Taurus would learn to relax, because we don't just halfheartedly date people, when we find someone we really hope that we will be keeping them for a very long time! (Right??) We like to plan for the future (makes us feel safe) so if a Taurus is spending time with you, trust that they're trying to plan for the both of you.


This is very true ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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well I guess then I must have some pretty decent qualities for the most part of the time for a Taurus, but good to know I??m on the right path then smile
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What was stated above is very much what he has told me. Told me not to question his love for me. That he has never known s love like mine and never will again. I know I am a part of his inner circle and his trusted friend. Has told me that our history is too strong and goes back too far to just let go. That he's never leaving my life. No matter what. We truly do care for one an other and I simply adore his heart.
I was just going to tell him next month that I need to back off bc he has seemed hot and cold and sometimes disappears. Huets a lot but now I understand a bit more. The only reason things change with us is bc of me..my insecurities not his. Also, too since he DOES always makes time for me when I am in town... I need to take actions for true in person vs at a distance.
Loyal friends are hard to come by and I'm happy I have mine..
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"This is why I wish people who enter relationships with Taurus would learn to relax, because we don't just halfheartedly date people, when we find someone we really hope that we will be keeping them for a very long time!"
I can never get the bolding right, but this is soo true. I have a habit of saying how long my bull and I have known each other when we're talking about our relationship. Well this last time he got frustrated and said; "STOP doing that! Stop counting the time! You're going to be in my life forever so stop counting the time!"
I could tell it really frustrated him. I never even looked at it like that, it was just an unconscious thing that I was doing. But for bulls they really do think in LONG TERM...period! It's actually kind of nice when you understand it...
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Us water signs communicate on a whole different level than earth signs. This is after all pretty much down to the way we communicate and show our affection/loyalty.
I can only speak for me here but I don't expect you to express your love to me verbally all the time. What you bulls need to understand is that your "slow" pace, is agonizing when you combine it with not speaking out loud about how you feel. You're all tangled up in your own world and move at your own pace, but you expect us to understand and "drift in open water", never quite knowing where we stand with you. Believe me, we want you to show us or tell us how much you like or value us, it gives us courage to keep going. If you're all cold and aloof, or as you might call it 'hot & cold'/not really looking but just observing, you cannot expect us to be on standby forever waiting for scraps of attention.
There's nothing more frustrating than liking someone but not knowing where you stand. I'm not saying defining the relationship, but make it very clear you like us. Most of the water signs coming here are just baffled by the ignorance. I see both sides, what some would call "bullheaded, absent, not interested" you call busy with you own life and things. There's a level of arrogance in there somewhere, this whole expecting others to understand your way of thinking and behavior, but you don't really bother with us.
Some will cause drama to see if there's a reaction then, others disappear cause it's clearly not going anywhere (sometimes the bull wakes up, notices you're gone and then either comes after you OR they say we weren't interested enough cause we already gave up). "Stringing people along for your own pleasure" comes to mind now. People have a choice to stay and wait or to leave yes, just don't put this misunderstanding all on water signs.
Your methods or acting and thinking are very foreign to us at first. We don't understand the whole hot & cold, never showing emotions, taking ages to make any progress at all.
All the taurus's I know really don't care unless they're actively dating you. They rely on that lazy charm to lure people in. If one gives up, there's always another. Probably part of the reason why you can't find partners easily. It's not just selecting carefully, it's the stubbornness smile
How do you know if you're "chosen"?
You're so walled up that we have to guess, and if we guess wrong (or act on it), you flip it back to us and blame us for "misunderstanding" thi
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Posted by Ormas
Us water signs communicate on a whole different level than earth signs. This is after all pretty much down to the way we communicate and show our affection/loyalty.
I can only speak for me here but I don't expect you to express your love to me verbally all the time. What you bulls need to understand is that your "slow" pace, is agonizing when you combine it with not speaking out loud about how you feel. You're all tangled up in your own world and move at your own pace, but you expect us to understand and "drift in open water", never quite knowing where we stand with you.
There's nothing more frustrating than liking someone but not knowing where you stand. I'm not saying defining the relationship, but make it very clear you like us. Most of the water signs coming here are just baffled by the ignorance. I see both sides, what some would call "bullheaded, absent, not interested" you call busy with you own life and things. There's a level of arrogance in there somewhere, this whole expecting others to understand your way of thinking and behavior, but you don't really bother with us.
Some will cause drama to see if there's a reaction then, others disappear cause it's clearly not going anywhere (sometimes the bull wakes up, notices you're gone and then either comes after you OR they say we weren't interested enough cause we already gave up). "Stringing people along for your own pleasure" comes to mind now. People have a choice to stay and wait or to leave yes, just don't put this misunderstanding all on water signs.
Your methods or acting and thinking are very foreign to us at first. We don't understand the whole hot & cold, never showing emotions, taking ages to make any progress at all.
All the taurus's I know really don't care unless they're actively dating you. They rely on that lazy charm to lure people in. If one gives up, there's always another. Probably part of the reason why you can't find partners easily. It's not just selecting carefully, it's the stubbornness smile
How do you know if you're "chosen"?
You're so walled up that we have to guess, and if we guess wrong (or act on it), you flip it back to us and blame us for "misunderstanding" thi


^^^^^^^^
I can agree. . THAT part bothers me most. ..the not knowing where I stand. I get morsels of.. I'm not going anywhere. . So I get that.. but it would be nice to get the square in the ey
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Posted by Ormas
Us water signs communicate on a whole different level than earth signs. This is after all pretty much down to the way we communicate and show our affection/loyalty.
I can only speak for me here but I don't expect you to express your love to me verbally all the time. What you bulls need to understand is that your "slow" pace, is agonizing when you combine it with not speaking out loud about how you feel. You're all tangled up in your own world and move at your own pace, but you expect us to understand and "drift in open water", never quite knowing where we stand with you. Believe me, we want you to show us or tell us how much you like or value us, it gives us courage to keep going. If you're all cold and aloof, or as you might call it 'hot & cold'/not really looking but just observing, you cannot expect us to be on standby forever waiting for scraps of attention.



Hello Ormas smile
Thanks for sharing. Any attraction that a Bull has for a Water sign is evident that we're interested. Bulls are physical signs. We're very affectionate...and our eyes give us away every time...simply just by the way we we look at you. We have a soothing, nurturing, protective disposition when you're around us. You can feel it! The most ironic thing, some fire and air signs understand this about us, and they're suppose to be the least intuitive. Water signs are supposed to be the most intuitive. We're actually blatantly obvious.
Another thing with fire and air signs, what they're not able to pick up on, they just come right out and as a DIRECT question. Water signs (some, not all), tend to take a more passive-aggressive approach. (ie, mind games, premature break-ups, avoidance, emotional manipulation).
If you as us a DIRECT question, you will get a DIRECT answer.
We don't mince words. Bulls will cut right through the chase.
Ask us an indirect question (subtle hints, mild accusations), and you're likely to get a vague or NO response at all.
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Posted by shortii
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Hello Shortii smile
The biggest misconception people have about Bulls is the lack of verbalization.
True we verbalize very little, initially when courting you because we're actually taking you ALL in.
It's a courtship. We're old fashioned. We're not in a rush.
We're actively listening to you & observing your interactions with us as well as other people.
So expect little dialogue....and possibly some time away from you (ie, work, family, assessment of you).
But if you s us a DIRECT question. You will get a DIRECT answer.
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Posted by neuroticvirgo

Well this last time he got frustrated and said; "STOP doing that! Stop counting the time! You're going to be in my life forever so stop counting the time!"


This is very true^^^^^^^^^^smile
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Love what Ormas said!! Very true.
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Posted by neuroticvirgo
But for bulls they really do think in LONG TERM...period! It's actually kind of nice when you understand it...


EXACTLY!
All Tauruses want to be understood.
Posted by Ormas

There's a level of arrogance in there somewhere, this whole expecting others to understand your way of thinking and behavior, but you don't really bother with us.
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Not necessarily. We DO try to understand you and get to know you. Thus, the reason for the slow moving process. It's just done quietly. Our love for you isn't an erupting volcano at a first chance meeting, any unconditional love we might have for you will also grow quietly.
Ormas-
Ask you Taurus how does he see you or what he knows about you.
I guarantee you he will remember every conversation, every detail, moods, behaviors, joys, sadness, and etc.
We're not called slow moving Bulls for a reason. smile
It shows that our actions are sincere.
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There was this gentleman who waited years later to address the subject of my disappearing act/hot and cold nature awhile back. He needed closure.
He asked a direct question.
I gave a direct response.
He was astonished about how straightforward my answer was.
He asked "Why didn't you tell me years ago."
My response...
"You never asked."
Yes, we're that practical, that honest that simplistic,....and that straightforward.
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Posted by TaurusBull1977

Hello Ormas smile
Thanks for sharing. Any attraction that a Bull has for a Water sign is evident that we're interested. Bulls are physical signs. We're very affectionate...and our eyes give us away every time...simply just by the way we we look at you. We have a soothing, nurturing, protective disposition when you're around us. You can feel it! The most ironic thing, some fire and air signs understand this about us, and they're suppose to be the least intuitive. Water signs are supposed to be the most intuitive. We're actually blatantly obvious.
Another thing with fire and air signs, what they're not able to pick up on, they just come right out and as a DIRECT question. Water signs (some, not all), tend to take a more passive-aggressive approach. (ie, mind games, premature break-ups, avoidance, emotional manipulation).
If you as us a DIRECT question, you will get a DIRECT answer.
We don't mince words. Bulls will cut right through the chase.
Ask us an indirect question (subtle hints, mild accusations), and you're likely to get a vague or NO response at all.


Hahaha all the Taurus's I know are not affectionate at all.. just my mom is. The Taurus's I dated for a while were scared to touch me, the one friend I kept from dating still is scared to touch me or look me in the eye for long. You have a calming effect perhaps, but open you guys are not at all Big Grin
Water signs don't do the direct attack approach no, we feel you out first as a protection mechanism, but since you guys wall up it's hard to read sometimes. If we were to be direct, you would like that more? I have picked bulls apart and kept the knowledge to myself, knowing that if I were to use it.. they'd get hurt and shut down again. I got a lot of fire in my chart fyi smile
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Posted by TaurusBull1977
Posted by neuroticvirgo
But for bulls they really do think in LONG TERM...period! It's actually kind of nice when you understand it...


EXACTLY!
All Tauruses want to be understood.
Posted by Ormas

There's a level of arrogance in there somewhere, this whole expecting others to understand your way of thinking and behavior, but you don't really bother with us.


Not necessarily. We DO try to understand you and get to know you. Thus, the reason for the slow moving process. It's just done quietly. Our love for you isn't an erupting volcano at a first chance meeting, any unconditional love we might have for you will also grow quietly.
Ormas-
Ask you Taurus how does he see you or what he knows about you.
I guarantee you he will remember every conversation, every detail, moods, behaviors, joys, sadness, and etc.
We're not called slow moving Bulls for a reason. smile
It shows that our actions are sincere.

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I did that a few times already, he doesn't remember any of the fun things we've done together.
Even asked him "do you ever remember the happy things?", he only vividly remembered the people that hurt him or the ones on his blacklist. So basically no matter what I do, he won't remember it unless it was bad. That's a nice situation no?
If you constantly have to remind someone of the good things you did, it lessens the value of the memory. You're basically nagging imo. If he cannot bother to remember anything, I won't bother making something new anymore. What's the point right?
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Hello Ormas...smile
By the way, I loooooove your responses....
(I just wanted to put it out there).
I agree with everything you said. Your approach to this subject was excellent.( I read it 4X)
If more Water signs approached the subject the way you did (sans the mind games, emotional manipulation, drama)...there would be more Taurus/Water Sign success stories.
It takes REAL balls to address the issue, and a great deal of emotional maturity.
We would adjust for people like you (despite how bullheaded we are).
We respect people who are real, honest, and direct.
...And you're right, dealing with a BULL is NO cakewalk Winking
We need to come out of our heads sometimes and open up communication lines.
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Aww thanks Taurusbull1977, I actually had to read what I wrote cause I did that late at night when my emotions run free without any restraint.
The thing is, I understand and value the taurus way of living/selecting people. It's a safeguard against many dishonest people out there and there are plenty. The bad ones that want a fling will give up very fast, some others that last a little bit longer with false intentions will fall off too (after you play with them or not as payback) and in the end only a very select few remain.
After all this time, we're nearing a year here, I can finally say I'm getting somewhere with my bull. For such a short time we've gotten a lot of history between us. Recently a few things happened that made me see things a little different.
1) he commented in a conversation "I'm finally starting to see how you work and what makes you tick'. I've been an open book from the start because I don't believe in lying. Anything he ever wanted to know I answered truthfully and my actions have always been clear and with purpose. He commented that I also always have a hidden agenda, this is also true. It's just build in "be prepared for anything" and not a whole lot I do is without thought. I never manipulated him but only build him up and supported him, made him grow in all directions so yeah.. that's my hidden agenda. Now I'm actually doing things and he knows exactly what I'm doing or I'm pointing it out to him afterwards why I did this or that. He clearly sees it's all coming from a good place.
2) After I got so pissed once at him, I told him that we're not alike at all. We have nothing in common so no wonder we didn't work out. Hello passive aggressive yes, I'm guilty of this sometimes. As I told him we were nothing alike, he asked me why I said that. Told him that in my opinion we differ so much. He gave me an entire list of things we were alike in as in "both pillar of society that keep things together, plenty of people come to us for help, love working out, shit we want we will get no matter what, we get things done, ...". So there I was with my big mouth. He gave an entire list as to why we were so alike and not different at all. All I could think was "so he DOES know" (I hate friendzone) Big Grin
3) He's opening up a lot about what he's doing and when with who. Like he shared his agenda with me and just a few hours ago he explained to me the entire reason why he was silent yesterday. Plus his entire schedule tomorrow.
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4) I'm invited to one of his close friends's birthday
5) I asked on twitter as a joke "who wants to be my +1 to a wedding" and he jumped at it "pick me pick me pick meeeeee". So when I asked him today if he wanted, he said yes. Just as friends smile
6) Christmas is his biggest event all year long and a few weeks ago he was talking about it somehow, casually he said "oh yeah and you're invited to come". He had a shitty Christmas last time and wants to do it good this time, so again.. I think I'm in that inner circle of his.
The thing is that I knew he was good for me after the second date, I'm a lot better at reading people than he is Big Grin and I knew I had something worthwhile in front of me. I just had to play the waiting game and try not to overdo it or scare him. In the end due to timing reasons we never got a chance and we're friends. I care a truckload for him and his well-being, I felt jealous when I found out he's in the process of meeting with someone new. It's not purely friendship jealousy for me I admit, it's a pang of "I wanted that with him", but I only allow myself to think like that for a few seconds. I wouldn't be an honest friend if I would only be it with an eye on "at some point he'll see". He's pushing me to have sexdates, experiment a little, .. but for some reason I feel guilty if I do that.
I have done it once after he said I should and it was fun, but my heart wasn't in it at all. Anyway I digress..
I could manipulate the crap out of him and the situation because I know a lot more than I let on, but for his mental sake I don't use any of it. Sure I could probably destroy him but I'm not the kind of person that does that.
I fluctuate between emotionally ancient and a jealousy/anger tantrum inside my mind sometimes. I don't have my shit together 24/7 but I try. All I ever wanted in a boyfriend was someone to love and mentally relax with. He does that for me by just being near, hence me falling for him and finding it hard to let go smile
He told a mutual friend exactly this "even if I wanted to, I couldn't try again after all that has happened". That thing haunts me to this day.
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Posted by TaurusBull1977
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Hello Shortii smile
The biggest misconception people have about Bulls is the lack of verbalization.
True we verbalize very little, initially when courting you because we're actually taking you ALL in.
It's a courtship. We're old fashioned. We're not in a rush.
We're actively listening to you & observing your interactions with us as well as other people.
So expect little dialogue....and possibly some time away from you (ie, work, family, assessment of you).
But if you s us a DIRECT question. You will get a DIRECT answer.
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He's an ex who is a friend now. .who I still love who says he loves me. But he lives and is in a ltr with another Pisces. History or not. . A after so many years. .not sure what more studying he can do. Not sure what else can change. All I know is that we will always be friends and close ones. If you have any insight. . Please let me know. .lol. I'm secure in my friendship with him. . It's the love part that has me shaky.
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Posted by Ormas
He's pushing me to have sexdates, experiment a little, .. but for some reason I feel guilty if I do that.
I have done it once after he said I should and it was fun, but my heart wasn't in it at all.


I smiled a little when I saw this. I don't know if you were familiar with the show Noah's Arc on the LOGO channel. In case you were not, I am going to give you a brief summary between the characters, Ricky and Genito.
Genito was the first guy that Ricky became less guarded with. Somewhat emotionally vulnerable. He did everything a boyfriend would do. But their relationship was never given a title. I think Ricky wanted to wait it out a bit. Genito wanted to move further with Ricky. Ricky tried seeing other men. But he just couldn't get into it, he kept thinking about Benito. He suggested that Benito do the same( see other people). The sex dates, even arranged one for Benito. When he realized that Benito made an emotional connection with this guy...he felt some kind of way, and told Benito he wanted out.
I know this sounds crazy.
Although your Bull is suggesting that you date other people, I don't think that he will ever be completely comfortable with it.
We will suggest a few things if we're under the impression that the other individual is exhausted with the waiting process..
But secretly, we're hoping to death that they would say no.
I have done this before. (Not the scenario described above, but something similar to it). Testing their loyalty and seeing if they're in for the long term.
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Posted by TaurusBull1977

If we sense that your intentions are genuine, we will carefully assess a potential partner.
We will watch you closely, but somewhat keep you at bay to safeguard our hearts.
We're active listeners and keen observers.
You will be amazed to know how much information is retained once we develop interest in a suitable partner.
We don't have to be in your presence 24/7 to read you.
Trust me, we've learned enough.



Posted by Ormas

As I told him we were nothing alike, he asked me why I said that. Told him that in my opinion we differ so much. He gave me an entire list of things we were alike in as in "both pillar of society that keep things together, plenty of people come to us for help, love working out, shit we want we will get no matter what, we get things done, ...". So there I was with my big mouth. He gave an entire list as to why we were so alike and not different at all.
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I told you so....Winking
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I hate you right now..
Yes he practically tried to arrange a sexdate for me with one of his ex's, I kindly refused.
See where we're at? I wanted him to come forward with his feelings or hesitations, not hide behind smokescreens and vague ideas of what I want. I've made it plenty clear that I wanted him and nothing else, but that scared him. Poor man has never had anyone want him for who he was, so he dug up every possible excuse under the sun.
He was very surprised that after hurting me deeply twice, I was still around. Aka him rejecting me twice and then once he opened up but timing and situation got fucked up, so he called it off (3rd wound)
I don't mind the wait, hell I've waited almost 3 years for someone once.. I'm a very loyal person, but I need something to go on too. Last time I spend the night at his parents place, I gave him a massage for his birthday cause he wanted one he said. He ended up without any pants on, I didn't abuse his trust, but was rewarded with an email the next day with him stating "he just wanted to be friends and make it extra clear, cause he didn't want me to get the wrong idea as he woke up naked".
If he doesn't fully want me to see other people, why throw it all back in my face over & over? You tell me smile
He won't be fully comfortable with me dating others, but how do you think I feel right now as new people pop up in his life. It's not exactly joyous to find out at some point in the future, someone else did manage to make it work where I failed. No that door is closed, for my own sanity. I won't open it again unless he knocks it down and if I haven't moved on by then.
You test loyalty by rejecting someone three times and seeing if they stick around after all that? Cruel much? Sad We're entering that "you just wait there endlessly for scraps of attention and a glimmer of dating me", it's not enough for me. Say I were to go "I don't want to date others, I still want you". I open myself up for a world of hurt again and him going "I thought I made it clear I don't want anything more than friendship from you", followed by him retreating again cause I'm clearly mentally challenged.
It comes down to me making myself vulnerable a fourth time, yet he never has done that.
Double standard no?
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Posted by Ormas

You test loyalty by rejecting someone three times and seeing if they stick around after all that? Cruel much? Sad We're entering that "you just wait there endlessly for scraps of attention and a glimmer of dating me", it's not enough for me. Say I were to go "I don't want to date others, I still want you". I open myself up for a world of hurt again and him going "I thought I made it clear I don't want anything more than friendship from you", followed by him retreating again cause I'm clearly mentally challenged.
It comes down to me making myself vulnerable a fourth time, yet he never has done that.
Double standard no?


Please don't hate me right now smile
It appears as rejection on the surface, but in reality, we're not ready to give you an answer right now.
It could be due to a myriad of reasons.
Trust issues.
Insecurity.
Financial problems.
Family-related problems.
Fear of emotional vulnerability.
When it happened to me a while back...my reasons were due to all of the above!
It doesn't have to be a double standard. Just keep it under the radar.
Remember, Bulls are possessive...Winking
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Posted by Ormas

You test loyalty by rejecting someone three times and seeing if they stick around after all that? Cruel much? Sad We're entering that "you just wait there endlessly for scraps of attention and a glimmer of dating me", it's not enough for me. Say I were to go "I don't want to date others, I still want you". I open myself up for a world of hurt again and him going "I thought I made it clear I don't want anything more than friendship from you", followed by him retreating again cause I'm clearly mentally challenged.
It comes down to me making myself vulnerable a fourth time, yet he never has done that.
Double standard no?


Please don't hate me right now smile
It appears as rejection on the surface, but in reality, we're not ready to give you an answer right now.
It could be due to a myriad of reasons.
Trust issues.
Insecurity.
Financial problems.
Family-related problems.
Fear of emotional vulnerability.
When it happened to me a while back...my reasons were due to all of the above!
It doesn't have to be a double standard. Just keep it under the radar.
Remember, Bulls are possessive...Winking
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^^^^^^^ OmG..all....too...familiar. . Almost ..too much. Ormas, I feel your pain love. I know exactly how you feel and what you are going through. This dance can be exhausting. Please TB1977
.keep the insight coming.
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Posted by lnana04
Im not a water sign, but too bad I didnt read this two days ago. I told my Taurus I dont think we are real friends, which I dont, and he seemed pretty offended. Imo, there's no way you can be a real friend when feelings are involved....its more along the lines fwb, and Im not comfortable with that.
I told him I want to be his friend more than anything...meaning we should stop blurring the lines, and he asked me what do I consider a real friend. I wrote several long texts and he claims he didnt recieve them *sigh* lol. Ah well..
I probably shouldnt have rocked the boat, cause I have a feeling my point on our friendship will be proved but Id rather be comfortable in "knowing" exactly whats going on.
Im an earth sign too so I understand the slowness, but I think as long as Taurus make their intentions and direction clear, thru communication, things "should" be okay with most.


Are you two sexually involved?
What do you want from him?
Because it sounds as if you only want friendship.
So instead of saying you don't think you are really friends, just say you don't want anything more than a platonic friendship. I think that is less confusing and more to the point.
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I personally don't think I have problems understanding Bulls.
Astrologers never mention how intuitive Bulls can be.
However, water signs want what we want, when we want them but Bulls have their own ideas. LOL
Communication and cooperation seems to be the challenge.
I find that in general earth signs tend to not be as demonstrative or attentive as water signs need them to be.
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I like this thread, but needs more input from water babies and earthlings. Winking
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@Scorchedearth true, that's why I backed off. It's just stupid to hang onto something that isn't there. He said what he had to say and that's it, just friends. Nothing I say or do will change that. If he wants me he know where to find me indeed.
I'm like that too, when I see something I want I don't play around. I didn't, put it all out there and it scared him. His charge at me that one time was mainly due to me finding someone else, he got jealous and wanted me all to himself. Why let a good thing walk away indeed..
@TaurusBull1977 if taurus's are possessive and this is just a rejection cause of various reasons, tell me why he's back to dating new people? He's hampered in dating but he can still date others? Big Grin Possessive how? He has financial troubles being graduated and unemployed (not finding a job) for months now, it's getting to him but it might all change soon. He's very insecure sometimes about himself but doesn't let on, I just see right through it.
@lunarmaiden I can wait a very long time but he's holding out on me with the typical taurus things I want. Physical attention 0! Just a hug when he or I leave.. All the ways they show they like you (without words) is what I want, but I'm not getting it smile
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Posted by LunarMaiden
I like this thread, but needs more input from water babies and earthlings. Winking


We are here LM. Please. . Ask away...
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@Scorchedearth....
You have a lot of fire placements in your chart.
A Moon, Mercury and Venus in Aries.
Your Mars is in Scorpio.
I wish I had your chart.
You're more impulsive, move a little more quickly and follow your heart.
You're an exception...smile
I wish I had that same fire lit to my ass to move a little more quickly.
My moon is in Gemini.
So not only am I slow moving, my emotions are shifty , restless..."the grass is always greener" concept...coupled with insecurities, possessiveness, and moving as slow as a turtle.
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@Scorchedearth & @TB1977 what's up with a Taurus with Venus in Aries? I keep hearing this mentioned, what are these guys like?
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Posted by neuroticvirgo
@Scorchedearth & @TB1977 what's up with a Taurus with Venus in Aries? I keep hearing this mentioned, what are these guys like?


venus in aries taureans make romantic decisions more quickly and don't play any games. we have a tendency to follow our hearts instead of logic-ing ourselves to death. we're more likely to follow our intuition than our logic. we commit much more quickly. sometimes we also lose interest more quickly than the other taureans if things aren't going our way. it's easier for us to move on from a dead end situation because we hold onto things in a less death grippy way.
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Interesting...not sure if I see this in my bull (his venus is in Aries) he did charge in the beginning when it was all fun and games, in typical Aries "I'm in love with you for 2 weeks" fashion. But when we were still around each other after that initial lustful period I noticed him slow his pace and begin acting like the normal slow Taurus I always hear about...sans the disappearing. I guess all the earth in his chart counters that fire. I'm glad as I'd fear him losing interest if he charged forward too soon in typical Aries fashion.
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"either you like someone enough to take a chance on them or you don't. it really doesn't get more complicated than that."
I've disagreed with this theory before on the Virgo forum. I think it's reasonable that not everyone is ready to move at the same pace the person they're dating wants to move. This does not mean that the person isn't interested, it just means they're not ready. I just think it's illogical to think that a person who's not ready when you are is "playing games" or "stringing you along." I've been there and it really did come down to not being ready...YET At the end of the day it's up to the other person to decide if they want to wait it out or move on to someone who wants what they want when they want it.
IMO it screams impatient and more into getting what you want than building a future with me if you can't just slow down and meet me at my pace. (If you want me as bad as you say you do) Instant gratification is not always a good thing. But I'm chok full o' earth (sun/venus Virgo; moon/asc Taurus) so maybe that's it. But I do assess, I do take my time and I won't start anything before I'm ready even if I am head over heels over a guy...mainly because if I'm going to do it I want it to work. I used to "follow my heart" but that only led to heartbreak. But that's just my experience... endsrant
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@scorchedearth......
http://horoscopes.lovetoknow.com/Attracting_the_Taurus_Male
http://www.psychiclynx.com/zodiac_taurus.html
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/taurus-characteristics.html
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_rulerships_taurus.shtml
All sites indicate that most Bulls are slow moving....
I'm not asserting that Ormas waits around.
He's a grown man, he can do what he pleases.
His main question was geared towards slow moving bulls
...and I simply addressed it.
But you're welcome to give your opinion.
We're all Tauruses here.
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Posted by neuroticvirgo

IMO it screams impatient and more into getting what you want than building a future with me if you can't just slow down and meet me at my pace. (If you want me as bad as you say you do) Instant gratification is not always a good thing. But I'm chok full o' earth (sun/venus Virgo; moon/asc Taurus) so maybe that's it. But I do assess, I do take my time and I won't start anything before I'm ready even if I am head over heels over a guy...mainly because if I'm going to do it I want it to work.I used to "follow my heart" but that only led to heartbreak. But that's just my experience... endsrant


I have that same mindset. smile
I'm slow moving....with good reasons!
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"I'm slow moving....with good reasons!"
EXACTLY! In fact for me; the more I like you, the slower I move.
Maybe that sounds crazy to some, but I really need to feel confident that we will work out before I risk the friendship and make it official.
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Posted by neuroticvirgo

I've disagreed with this theory before on the Virgo forum. I think it's reasonable that not everyone is ready to move at the same pace the person they're dating wants to move. This does not mean that the person isn't interested, it just means they're not ready. I just think it's illogical to think that a person who's not ready when you are is "playing games" or "stringing you along." I've been there and it really did come down to not being ready...YET At the end of the day it's up to the other person to decide if they want to wait it out or move on to someone who wants what they want when they want it.


Thank You ^^^^^^
This was the point I was trying to get across to Ormas.
The waiting game is a choice.
I just offered the possible "Waiting Explanations."
There was nothing in my statements that told him to stick around.
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@scorchedearth....
I told you politely that you were entitled to your opinions.
Feel free to disagree.
We're all Bulls here.
But please keep your condescending remarks to yourself.
You can articulate yourself, and still get your point across.
Shoving sites up my @ss...
Trust me, you don't want to cross that line with me...
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Posted by scorchedearth
i can cross whatever line i'd want. i'm not afraid of you or what you could say to me. this is the internet. what are you really going to do to me? NOT A GOD DAMN THING. so take your empty threats and kindly shove them up your ass too while you're at it.
you try to speak for all of us expect that some of us aren't going to agree with what you're saying. that's just life. no two people are exactly alike regardless of charts. i've dated two girls with exactly the same chart down to the moons and they're like night and day. so you can't say that we'll all behave a certain way because we were born in the same astrological month. it doesn't work that way.


Geez...why so serious? I mean I get your point here but TB1977 does have/offer some interesting insights that do speak to the major issues most women are experiencing with bulls. I would HOPE that the good people of DXP are smart enough to know that she is neither the bull spokesperson nor the end all be all of all things Taurean. It's TB's theory based upon her experiences just like your theories are based upon your experiences. If none of what she's saying applies to you and your fellow Taurus friends then you guys are probably the bulls all these women on this forum need...unfortunately you're not the bulls most women are getting.
At the end of the day regardless of sun sign people move at different speeds in matters of the heart. The other person can either wait it out or hit the bricks, it comes down you using your instincts and common sense to decide if the person is legitimately slow moving or a douche attempting to string you along.
HOWEVER I do agree that even slow moving individuals who are really interested but just not quite ready, will display their interest in a tangible way while moving slowly. (i.e. not disappearing for weeks over and over again, blowing off dates and not returning phone calls) I maybe slow but my interest is always clear. Don't fight guys it's just opinions here!
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Posted by scorchedearth
all sites also say we're not very imaginative and half of them say we're slow witted. i take what the internet says about taureans with a grain of salt. i'm not any less deep than the average water sign but according to the internet we're emotionally retarded compared to them. so you can take your generic descriptions and shove them up your ass. they're not reality.
the reality that i've seen with many taureans of both genders differs greatly from how the internet says we're supposed to act. it's not all sun signs. there's the entire chart to consider and the persons life experiences. i maintain the only taurus that goes that slowly is one that is a bit broken. people know what they want. the only people of any sign that move at a snails pace in my experience are ones that are damaged goods due to previous relationship problems. they're "scared" because of some shit someone else did to them. even look at why the virgo said she became cautious. it's not natural for most people to make their partners wait forever and a day.
i also think it's pretty ridiculous that you're trying to shove generic websites at me when i have decades of real life experience with taureans of both genders that contradict that slow moving bullshit stereotype. i find it disturbing that anyone would readily identify with the negative traits that their sign is supposed to possess just because some asshat wrote it down and told you that's how you're supposed to be. i've known taureans from the ages of 15-60 and all of them have behaved in the same way when they were with the "right" person.
i think it's irresponsible to tell women and men to sit around and wait for a taurus that may or may not be interested. if someone really likes you they don't ignore you for days a time because that would hurt them as much as it hurts you. if it was a person of any other sign people would be telling them that it was a red flag. we don't get a free pass just because we're taureans. abusive behavior is abusive regardless of sun sign.


This is why I love you ^_^
My bull is emotionally damaged like fucking crazy, he knows and I know but I'm trying to help him get over it. I take astrology with a grain of salt, if you'd only look at me as a Pisces.. I wouldn't match the stereotype a whole lot. I'm not a spineless/all over the place emotional emo whore crying in a corner. Sorry nope, I
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Sorry nope, I got enough guns to blast your face off Winking
I'm well aware me and my bull might never happen and it's a reality that approaches more every day. Doesn't mean I have to like it but it also doesn't mean the world ends. I've gotten over others too, it's his loss Tongue
Don't kid yourself on the other hand, last time he was sitting in front of me at a coffee shop, he was staring at my lips pretty much non stop. For 30 minutes long, yes I took note and it was funny. He was completely oblivious to my eyes seeing him do that, just kept staring at my lips as I chewed a bit on a straw and licked my lips. Uhu, he's not attracted to me at all.. I'm going to have fun once my sixpack sets in and summer hits. Already have ideas of undressing innocently with a filthy mind to mess with him hahaha. Oh sorry, non stop sugary sweet pisces role failed.
Payback baby haha
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