I lied and now I’ve gotten dumped by my bull.

This topic was created in the Taurus forum by xtra1990 on Saturday, October 14, 2017 and has 74 replies.
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Apologies for the length.

Where to start...

According to my ex he's never loved anyone as much as me and wants to get married blah blah blah.

So fairly on my ex would ask me questions and I guess I was a little too honest? According to him a set the precedent and he thought I did to hurt his feelings. Examples; he asked what kind of porn I liked and answered and I took he took it personally because that wasn't what he was physically. Also asked if I like tall guys (he's a little on the shorter side) and I said yea so he also took that personally. Just to name a few examples...

Now, this is where I screwed up. I was out with my then-boyfriend and my girlfriends. My best friend who is in a relationship started dancing with another guy and he got mad at me. He assumed that's what I do when we're not together and he was fairly angry with me for almost two days. A few weeks later it's father's day and I'm with my family. He sent me a bitmoji (animated emoji) saying that he missed me. I completely forgot to respond since I'm with my family. He calls me and asked if I got his emoji and I lied and said yes, and I sent one back :/. He confronts me a week later in person and said that he knows I'm lying. I admit that I lied and said sorry. I explained that I just wanted to keep the peace because I don't know what he's going to get upset about.

Fast forward about 2 months ago.

I was out with my girlfriends (who I rarely ever see anymore) one night. My best friend is good friends with the club owner. My ex was near the club with his friends so I told them to swing by. He comes in and I give his friend a hug and him a kiss on the cheek and then he and his friends decide to check out the second floor. Meanwhile, while they're upstairs the club owner buys my friend a shot but she can't finish it so she hands me the shot. I ask what it is and he says tequila and repeatedly says "take the shot, just take it". I do, then he the owner leaves. I turn around and my ex was there but he goes back upstairs. My friend tells me he looked a little weird so I figured he was upset over the shot. I didn't want him to think the guy bought me the shot so I went upstairs talked to him for a bit and explained who the guy was. We leave and I thought everything was fine but he isn't walking with me and say that he and friends are going somewhere else. I text him that it would be weird not cuddling with him that night (I was staying in the city with my friend that night instead of driving all the way back). He replies with a curt message and said that we need to talk.

He calls and asked me if I know why he's mad, I say no, to which he says, "you really don't know". He said he watched for 20 SECONDS and that the guy had his hands all over me to which I said I didn't feel hands on me. He then starts yelling and cursing saying I'm full of **** and I'm a liar. I really didn't feel the guys hand at all. I had been drinking and you know in a club where it's loud people lean in and can subtly place their hand on you to speak to you in your ear. He just kept saying he was trying to hit on me and I can't be trusted. He said me saying it would be weird not cuddle with him and telling him who the guy was made me seem guilty. He then said he's had a gut feeling that I'm a liar and I'm manipulative. since the very beginning and it won't go away.

Even more background: According to him he's never loved anyone as much as me and has thought about marriage and kids with me which is a first for him. He was cheated on by his last two girlfriends. The last one was an alcoholic but he kept giving her chances. His father also just passed away in December. With us he always seems to find issues with me. Ex., we were out with my girlfriends and he got mad at ME because my friend was dancing with another guy. He said his ex would dance with other men in front of his face despite him telling her he didn't like it. I said but I didn't do anything and he said I should've known to begin with and think these things through and I'm not "mindful", what the heck? I'm apparently an attention seeker too. My girlfriend's and I have a mutual guy friend who had/has a crush on me. He is very nice and I've rejected him multiple times. We don't hang out and we speak every 4/5 months. I sent him a text for his birthday just saying happy birthday, nothing more, nothing less, and according to him I don't respect boundaries and I did that because "I like attention".

A week goes by and he calls my best friend to talk things out with her because he still loves me but couldn't do it if was going to stand firm that I didn't feel the guys hand. Told her he talked to his mom about what's been going on to try to fix things. He contacts me another week later saying that he misses me and still wants to be with me.He said when he loves someone he just becomes obsessive and starts to "lose his identity" in the process because he becomes so consumed in the relationship. He said he wanted to talk less at night (we're long distance) so he could dedicate more time to doing things he likes. I said that I didn't want to rush back into things and that he needed therapy before we would move forward. I think he hasn't dealt with his father's death (he went work the next day, didn't cry etc., then had a mini break down one day a few months ago) and he still has baggage from his previous relationships. He compartmentalizes a lot and I know that's not healthy. During one of our arguments, he got so worked up and upset he lost a patch of hair overnight, which is common for him when he gets really upset which is just another sign he needs to get therapy.

Stupidly, we get back together not and he agreed to therapy (he hadn't started going yet). All is fine then out of the blue he starts to explain why he's the way that he is. Saying he's been stuck in past and been an a-hole to me, that he's never been this rude to his girlfriend's before blah blah blah. He then brings up how I set the precedent for him being a jerk because of a joke that I made 6 months prior. I said I didn't say it like that and he then he says how he doesn't trust me because I'm changing my wording from an argument from 6 months ago.

He then calls everything off because he'd be too naive to think I lied about the one thing. He said that I lie during arguments. When he brings up issues this happens way too often where we get into you said this, no I didn't, yes you did, etc. That he can give me the benefit of the doubt some of the time but this happens way too often. I told him how I like to start arguments out of the blue weeks and sometimes months later so unless I have a perfect memory it's unfair to think that I would have what I said exactly correct. He as though I say something completely opposite of what I said previously and of course when you recount an argument or what someone said you're going to deviate just a little, again, unless you have a perfect memory.

He said I've never had a gut feeling like this with another woman before and how lying is worse than cheating to me. Told me he was more accepting of his last ex who cheated on him a few times because she at least told him the truth eventually. I said he needed counseling because he's 'damaged' and irrational. His previous two girlfriends cheated on him. I said it doesn't make sense that his 'gut' didn't go off with the cheating ex but somehow I'm the bad guy. He said that to him lying is worse than cheating, which is so illogical to me. He said if I would just admit to lying to something else then we could move forward. I refused to do that since I only lied about the bitmoji. He said he's mentally moved on and isn't interested in this anymore. I said okay and leave.

10 min later he sends me a text saying he's sorry and how the back and forth is getting to him. I don't respond. Another 30 min. later he sends me another diatribe about how I broke up with him really screwed him up blah blah blah. Then another hr. later another text which I ignore. The next day he sends me another lengthy message. Why continue to send me messages if you have mentally moved on from the relationship? With the last message, he was reiterating how he was more forgiving of his ex, despite her cheating multiple times she eventually told the truth but I'm not doing that so I've, 'lost all credibility'. I eventually respond and say that I love him and needs to get help, to which he replied, "I wish it was just about you lying one time".

I know he needs help, but I just can't help but think I contributed. Maybe I was too insensitive when I joked? I'm starting to think that I just as much at fault as he is...
Ew. He has too much baggage. Red flags everywhere. You didn’t do anything wrong. He has mental issues.
He sounds incredibly insecure to be in a relationship. I don't think you did anything wrong honestly. He needs to work on himself because from what it looks like, he's super controlling.

Your situation at the club, was similar to mines with my ex who was a Cancer. We were together for 4 years, but he got super jealous, insecure and controlling that we ended things.


He has issues and he is so sensitive that you started to tiptoe around him. Be happy to be out. Next time screen better. A relationship is so much better when the partner is relaxed and not easily offended belief me.
Frankly, just reading all of that was very tiring to me. The most concerning thing is that you’re actually living this!

You know when something really isn’t a good idea? Well that’s you two being together. It’s hard work. You don’t match. There’s far too many issues. What’s the point? Why do you want all this bullshit drama?

How old are you both? Early 20’s?
Posted by AgentP911
Frankly, just reading all of that was very tiring to me. The most concerning thing is that you’re actually living this!

You know when something really isn’t a good idea? Well that’s you two being together. It’s hard work. You don’t match. There’s far too many issues. What’s the point? Why do you want all this bullshit drama?

How old are you both? Early 20’s?
Hmm I don’t think it has anything to do with being a good match or not. Dude needs to see a professional immediately. He won’t be a “good match” for anyone until he gets help.

Dynamics have nothing to do with this OP. He has the issue. He’s going to find an issue with any and everyone.
Posted by FknNerd
One more thing, if he does see a psychologist, the psychologist is just going to suggest that he leaves you. The psychologist is going to look at him and say, "I've been happily married for 10 years and I've never had to deal with the issues that you're dealing with this woman. When the person is right for you, you dont feel how you're feeling" I promise you. I've had many psychs growing up.
He does need help. He is manipulative and is an emotional abuser.

OP don’t listen to any of this. None of this is your fault.
Ughhh too much drama 😩
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One more thing, if he does see a psychologist, the psychologist is just going to suggest that he leaves you. The psychologist is going to look at him and say, "I've been happily married for 10 years and I've never had to deal with the issues that you're dealing with this woman. When the person is right for you, you dont feel how you're feeling" I promise you. I've had many psychs growing up.
He does need help. He is manipulative and is an emotional abuser.

OP don’t listen to any of this. None of this is your fault.
Yeah waste $ 90+ on a therapy session then come back here and tell me I'm right.
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You know, there’s a reason why you’re the only person on this thread not saying he needs help...

We can’t all be wrong.

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One more thing, if he does see a psychologist, the psychologist is just going to suggest that he leaves you. The psychologist is going to look at him and say, "I've been happily married for 10 years and I've never had to deal with the issues that you're dealing with this woman. When the person is right for you, you dont feel how you're feeling" I promise you. I've had many psychs growing up.
He does need help. He is manipulative and is an emotional abuser.

OP don’t listen to any of this. None of this is your fault.
Yeah waste $ 90+ on a therapy session then come back here and tell me I'm right.
You know, there’s a reason why you’re the only person on this thread not saying he needs help...

We can’t all be wrong.

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I was thinking the same thing as you @missmissy

Posted by edgelord
Posted by FknNerd
I mean during ww2 most germans were nazis so they must have been right in their thinking. Missmissy logic.
Imo neither of them is good for each other. The relationship itself is toxic. She triggers the shit out of his insecurities and instead of trying to work with him she’s just like “lulz”
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People who are like this aren’t “triggered”. This is just how they are. Like everyone keeps saying this has nothing to do with OP. He is going to have this issue with any and everyone. How did she trigger him by her FRIEND dancing with someone else?

Insecurities and instability do not start and end with one person.

OP has he tried be petty and or manipulative in any other way? I bet all my money he has...

Get out now. As a few have said, this is abusive.
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I mean during ww2 most germans were nazis so they must have been right in their thinking. Missmissy logic.
Imo neither of them is good for each other. The relationship itself is toxic. She triggers the shit out of his insecurities and instead of trying to work with him she’s just like “lulz”
Yeah I cant stand people like this and then she continues to chase him down. Wouldnt be surprised if she stills stalks him outside of his place of work a year from now. Okay I might be projecting lol.
It’s funny to me because she spends he entire massive wall of text tearing him down talking about how crazy he is yet she’s still here wanting him back. So why demonize the man you love? Makes me wonder what else she’s leaving out that she’s done to create these episodes. But really she’s not ms innocent either.

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My god. This how victim blaming starts.

You do know victims of physical, verbal, emotional abuse still love and want to be with their partners?

Educate yourself before you speak. You clearly know nothing on this issue.

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I mean during ww2 most germans were nazis so they must have been right in their thinking. Missmissy logic.
Imo neither of them is good for each other. The relationship itself is toxic. She triggers the shit out of his insecurities and instead of trying to work with him she’s just like “lulz”
People who are like this aren’t “triggered”. This is just how they are. Like everyone keeps saying this has nothing to do with OP. He is going to have this issue with any and everyone. How did she trigger him by her FRIEND dancing with someone else?

Insecurities and instability do not start and end with one person.

OP has he tried be petty and or manipulative in any other way? I bet all my money he has...

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God, he is so petty sometimes. When he starts arguments over something small it'll eventually grow into something large and he'll start criticizing me. He constantly had something negative to say to me. For example, he would always say how I'm the best he's ever had, how great the sex is, blah blah blah, but when he would get upset he would say how bad it was or just anything negative. He called my best friend to talk about things and he got mad and then said to her how I'm the laziest person ever. The fuck?

Then another time he told her that I lie to my friends to because when I'm with him I'll say something like, "okay well I need to call you back I'm going to go to the store", but I wouldn't go until a little later. Or if I call them back the next day I'd say I fell asleep. I really did fall asleep. I don't need a play by play of what my friends are doing when they're with their SO and vice versa. I don't see that as lying at all. I did go to the store and fell alseep.
whats the op sign?
Well I just got another message.

He said going to therapy would just be a disservice to me because he wouldn't really take it seriously because he was only going to go for me. He has felt he has needed to assume blame in order to move forward because I'm so 'unrelenting'. He's 'never had issues disagreeing with someone on the sequence of events or what was said, let alone have the same issue numerous times'. Also, that he can only hear "I never said that" before he questions my honesty. He not paranoid and my favorite part,

'Even if I didn't think you were lying your actions look dishonest so I interpreted them as such'.

Sigh. I don't even know why his messages still surprise me...
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whats the op sign?
Leo.

Posted by xtra1990
Posted by MoonshineLeo
whats the op sign?
Leo.

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Posted by LDM90
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Posted by FknNerd
I mean during ww2 most germans were nazis so they must have been right in their thinking. Missmissy logic.
Imo neither of them is good for each other. The relationship itself is toxic. She triggers the shit out of his insecurities and instead of trying to work with him she’s just like “lulz”
People who are like this aren’t “triggered”. This is just how they are. Like everyone keeps saying this has nothing to do with OP. He is going to have this issue with any and everyone. How did she trigger him by her FRIEND dancing with someone else?

Insecurities and instability do not start and end with one person.

OP has he tried be petty and or manipulative in any other way? I bet all my money he has...

God, he is so petty sometimes. When he starts arguments over something small it'll eventually grow into something large and he'll start criticizing me. He constantly had something negative to say to me. For example, he would always say how I'm the best he's ever had, how great the sex is, blah blah blah, but when he would get upset he would say how bad it was or just anything negative. He called my best friend to talk about things and he got mad and then said to her how I'm the laziest person ever. The fuck?

Then another time he told her that I lie to my friends to because when I'm with him I'll say something like, "okay well I need to call you back I'm going to go to the store", but I wouldn't go until a little later. Or if I call them back the next day I'd say I fell asleep. I really did fall asleep. I don't need a play by play of what my friends are doing when they're with their SO and vice versa. I don't see that as lying at all. I did go to the store and fell alseep.
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He's emotionally abusive.

He talks about you to your friends behind your back, telling them you lied to them?? Where is his loyalty to you?!

If anything he's the liar. He told you that your sex is the best he's had but then when he's upset or mad at you he says it's bad. Which is it??
Posted by xtra1990
Well I just got another message.

He said going to therapy would just be a disservice to me because he wouldn't really take it seriously because he was only going to go for me. He has felt he has needed to assume blame in order to move forward because I'm so 'unrelenting'. He's 'never had issues disagreeing with someone on the sequence of events or what was said, let alone have the same issue numerous times'. Also, that he can only hear "I never said that" before he questions my honesty. He not paranoid and my favorite part,

'Even if I didn't think you were lying your actions look dishonest so I interpreted them as such'.

Sigh. I don't even know why his messages still surprise me...
He’s gaslighting you OP. Rather he realizes it or not, that’s what he’s doing.

Posted by LDM90
Posted by xtra1990
Well I just got another message.

He said going to therapy would just be a disservice to me because he wouldn't really take it seriously because he was only going to go for me. He has felt he has needed to assume blame in order to move forward because I'm so 'unrelenting'. He's 'never had issues disagreeing with someone on the sequence of events or what was said, let alone have the same issue numerous times'. Also, that he can only hear "I never said that" before he questions my honesty. He not paranoid and my favorite part,

'Even if I didn't think you were lying your actions look dishonest so I interpreted them as such'.

Sigh. I don't even know why his messages still surprise me...
He’s gaslighting you OP. Rather he realizes it or not, that’s what he’s doing.

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I just looked up gaslighting and now I'm confused. If I was the one who kept saying I didn't say that (he said I told him I used to lie to my ex. I KNOW I never said that because I never did that and who the heck would tell their new SO that anyways?) and according to him he's been feeling like I'm making him out to be crazy-wouldn't that be me gaslighting him? Maybe I'm not grasping what gaslighting is...
Here's what I see...

His father recently passed away (or perhaps just ill at this point). He sends you a message on Father's Day, and you neglect to respond. Then proceed to lie about it.

Then...

" He said he's mentally moved on and isn't interested in this anymore. I said okay and leave."

"...he sends me another diatribe about how I broke up with him really screwed him up blah blah blah.

"God, he is so petty sometimes."

No doubt, he has some serious issues, but your words and actions seem very dismissive and irritated to me. It sounds like you're tired of walking on eggshells dealing with his insecurities, and instead of seeking ways to assuage them or work through them with him, you've emotionally checked out, perhaps hidden to your own awareness.

I think you made a poor judgment call by lying to him for something so trivial. Nothing sours a relationship more than dishonesty, especially for bulls. Once you're caught in a lie, you'll automatically lose any credibility you've ever had. It's a bit extreme, but that's just their way. From now on, he'll be swimming in (more) doubt and mistrust when it comes to you.

Given his history, mental instability, and all the events that have transpired, I don't think this is a relationship that can be salvaged.
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Here's what I see...

His father recently passed away (or perhaps just ill at this point). He sends you a message on Father's Day, and you neglect to respond. Then proceed to lie about it.

Then...

" He said he's mentally moved on and isn't interested in this anymore. I said okay and leave."

"...he sends me another diatribe about how I broke up with him really screwed him up blah blah blah.

"God, he is so petty sometimes."

No doubt, he has some serious issues, but your words and actions seem very dismissive and irritated to me. It sounds like you're tired of walking on eggshells dealing with his insecurities, and instead of seeking ways to assuage them or work through them with him, you've emotionally checked out, perhaps hidden to your own awareness.

I think you made a poor judgment call by lying to him for something so trivial. Nothing sours a relationship more than dishonesty, especially for bulls. Once you're caught in a lie, you'll automatically lose any credibility you've ever had. It's a bit extreme, but that's just their way. From now on, he'll be swimming in (more) doubt and mistrust when it comes to you.


Given his history, mental instability, and all the events that have transpired, I don't think this is a relationship that can be salvaged.
I clearly have tried ways to assuage him. Even then it’s still not good enough and he constantly reminded me of that so of course I’ve emotionally checked out. I said to go talk to his ex for closure, sent articles/suggested better ways for us to communicate, said we would go to therapy together, said we’d use Talkspace which is remote therapy so it wouldn’t interfere with time during the week. So of course I checked out-I think a lot of people would have.

Yes, I lied but I was doomed from the start. I even asked him that the last time he saw me and he agreed. He was insecure about the relationship way before I lied. I believe he would’ve been like this with or without the lie and even if he was dating someone else.

Posted by xtra1990

I clearly have tried ways to assuage him. Even then it’s still not good enough and he constantly reminded me of that so of course I’ve emotionally checked out. I said to go talk to his ex for closure, sent articles/suggested better ways for us to communicate, said we would go to therapy together, said we’d use Talkspace which is remote therapy so it wouldn’t interfere with time during the week. So of course I checked out-I think a lot of people would have.

Yes, I lied but I was doomed from the start. I even asked him that the last time he saw me and he agreed. He was insecure about the relationship way before I lied. I believe he would’ve been like this with or without the lie and even if he was dating someone else.



So was this thread created for venting purposes only?

Because it sounds like you've already made up your mind and decided that he's a lost cause, whereas you've no fault in the matter.

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I mean during ww2 most germans were nazis so they must have been right in their thinking. Missmissy logic.
Imo neither of them is good for each other. The relationship itself is toxic. She triggers the shit out of his insecurities and instead of trying to work with him she’s just like “lulz”
People who are like this aren’t “triggered”. This is just how they are. Like everyone keeps saying this has nothing to do with OP. He is going to have this issue with any and everyone. How did she trigger him by her FRIEND dancing with someone else?

Insecurities and instability do not start and end with one person.

OP has he tried be petty and or manipulative in any other way? I bet all my money he has...

God, he is so petty sometimes. When he starts arguments over something small it'll eventually grow into something large and he'll start criticizing me. He constantly had something negative to say to me. For example, he would always say how I'm the best he's ever had, how great the sex is, blah blah blah, but when he would get upset he would say how bad it was or just anything negative. He called my best friend to talk about things and he got mad and then said to her how I'm the laziest person ever. The fuck?

Then another time he told her that I lie to my friends to because when I'm with him I'll say something like, "okay well I need to call you back I'm going to go to the store", but I wouldn't go until a little later. Or if I call them back the next day I'd say I fell asleep. I really did fall asleep. I don't need a play by play of what my friends are doing when they're with their SO and vice versa. I don't see that as lying at all. I did go to the store and fell alseep.
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He sounds like a sick fuck. He doesn’t want you to have friends. This could have escalated into physical abuse. Keep ignoring him, and block him on everything.
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Posted by xtra1990

I clearly have tried ways to assuage him. Even then it’s still not good enough and he constantly reminded me of that so of course I’ve emotionally checked out. I said to go talk to his ex for closure, sent articles/suggested better ways for us to communicate, said we would go to therapy together, said we’d use Talkspace which is remote therapy so it wouldn’t interfere with time during the week. So of course I checked out-I think a lot of people would have.

Yes, I lied but I was doomed from the start. I even asked him that the last time he saw me and he agreed. He was insecure about the relationship way before I lied. I believe he would’ve been like this with or without the lie and even if he was dating someone else.



So was this thread created for venting purposes only?

Because it sounds like you've already made up your mind and decided that he's a lost cause, whereas you've no fault in the matter.

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You must not have read my post in it's entirety...

At the end I said,

"I know he needs help, but I just can't help but think I contributed. Maybe I was too insensitive when I joked? I'm starting to think that I just as much at fault as he is..."

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Btw OP, now I'm thinking of it.

How long have you been with him?

When did you break up with him?

When did he start showing the signs of his issue with you?

Did he starts accusing you before or after you lied to him of not checking out that emoji?
1. year

2. I initially did it in May, we got back together, then he broke up with me in August after the bar incident, got back together, and he officially closed the door recently.

3. From the very beginning. We had sex with each other after a few weeks. I wasn't looking for anything but I felt like I rushed having sex with him. The next time I saw him I said I wasn't going to have sex that night or anytime soon because I got ahead of myself with sex and needed time to figure out what I wanted. A few days later he tells me doesn't want to do this because I'm a Leo and leos like nice things and that wasn't him. Mind you a few weeks prior he said he never looked into astrology. He then reached out me a few days later saying he thought I was trying to manipulate him. I asked him to manipulate him for what exactly? He said for free dates.

Of course there were the handful of hiccups where he internalized things. When the bitmoji thing came up he said he'd thought I was manipulative from the very beginning and couldn't be trusted. He said prior to that he thought I was lying to him when I said I was talking to my gay best friend one night and about one of my other guy friends that I sent a happy birthday text to. Then he mentioned how he had slept with his best friend's girlfriend's sister and she is a leo who lied to him so he just assumed all leos are liars.


Posted by Gob_Shite
Is there an abridged version?

If like you have not enough time to read walls of text! You have to be happy. Someone entertaining your old ugly ass!

Say thank you and tell them to die! Ass!
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I mean during ww2 most germans were nazis so they must have been right in their thinking. Missmissy logic.
Imo neither of them is good for each other. The relationship itself is toxic. She triggers the shit out of his insecurities and instead of trying to work with him she’s just like “lulz”
People who are like this aren’t “triggered”. This is just how they are. Like everyone keeps saying this has nothing to do with OP. He is going to have this issue with any and everyone. How did she trigger him by her FRIEND dancing with someone else?

Insecurities and instability do not start and end with one person.

OP has he tried be petty and or manipulative in any other way? I bet all my money he has...

God, he is so petty sometimes. When he starts arguments over something small it'll eventually grow into something large and he'll start criticizing me. He constantly had something negative to say to me. For example, he would always say how I'm the best he's ever had, how great the sex is, blah blah blah, but when he would get upset he would say how bad it was or just anything negative. He called my best friend to talk about things and he got mad and then said to her how I'm the laziest person ever. The fuck?

Then another time he told her that I lie to my friends to because when I'm with him I'll say something like, "okay well I need to call you back I'm going to go to the store", but I wouldn't go until a little later. Or if I call them back the next day I'd say I fell asleep. I really did fall asleep. I don't need a play by play of what my friends are doing when they're with their SO and vice versa. I don't see that as lying at all. I did go to the store and fell alseep.
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And you want this person because?

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Posted by AgentP911
Frankly, just reading all of that was very tiring to me. The most concerning thing is that you’re actually living this!

You know when something really isn’t a good idea? Well that’s you two being together. It’s hard work. You don’t match. There’s far too many issues. What’s the point? Why do you want all this bullshit drama?

How old are you both? Early 20’s?
Hmm I don’t think it has anything to do with being a good match or not. Dude needs to see a professional immediately. He won’t be a “good match” for anyone until he gets help.

Dynamics have nothing to do with this OP. He has the issue. He’s going to find an issue with any and everyone.
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It has everything to do with not being a match. They’re not suited to each other. They don’t gel together. They have different outlooks and approaches to things.

Sure, the fella seems to have had a lot on his plate that he needs to deal with but the OP is cold and flippant with the fella. We only have her version. It is unclear why she wants him, what advice she actually wants, and what outcome she envisages.

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Posted by AgentP911
Frankly, just reading all of that was very tiring to me. The most concerning thing is that you’re actually living this!

You know when something really isn’t a good idea? Well that’s you two being together. It’s hard work. You don’t match. There’s far too many issues. What’s the point? Why do you want all this bullshit drama?

How old are you both? Early 20’s?
I don't think it has to do with the age. NOR even about how "good" the matches are.

No matter of ages, The victim doesn't even aware of how abusive/toxicated relationship is. It's really draining that you feel lost and unable to escape while letting others step over it. Either it's fear/sex is good/guilt/something else that has reason to stay without aware.

It's sad & trauma psychological thing.
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It has everything to do with not being a match. They’re not suited to each other. They don’t gel together. They have different outlooks and approaches to things.

They also sound immature. She’s reduced this relationship down to a fucking emoji. They argued about a fucking emoji text. Really? 🙄 she’s not aware because she doesn’t have the experience and maturity to be aware or she just likes the attention.

Sure, the fella seems to have had a lot on his plate that he needs to deal with but the OP is cold and flippant with the fella. We only have her version. It is unclear why she wants him, what advice she actually wants, and what outcome she envisages.
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Posted by Nevermore
Posted by AgentP911
Frankly, just reading all of that was very tiring to me. The most concerning thing is that you’re actually living this!

You know when something really isn’t a good idea? Well that’s you two being together. It’s hard work. You don’t match. There’s far too many issues. What’s the point? Why do you want all this bullshit drama?

How old are you both? Early 20’s?
I don't think it has to do with the age. NOR even about how "good" the matches are.

No matter of ages, The victim doesn't even aware of how abusive/toxicated relationship is. It's really draining that you feel lost and unable to escape while letting others step over it. Either it's fear/sex is good/guilt/something else that has reason to stay without aware.

It's sad & trauma psychological thing.


It has everything to do with not being a match. They’re not suited to each other. They don’t gel together. They have different outlooks and approaches to things.

They also sound immature. She’s reduced this relationship down to a fucking emoji. They argued about a fucking emoji text. Really? 🙄 she’s not aware because she doesn’t have the experience and maturity to be aware or she just likes the attention.

Sure, the fella seems to have had a lot on his plate that he needs to deal with but the OP is cold and flippant with the fella. We only have her version. It is unclear why she wants him, what advice she actually wants, and what outcome she envisages.
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No it doesn’t have to do with being a good match or age. And wrong, HE argued over a bitmoji. Not her.

It doesn’t matter why she wants him that’s not what she came here for. She clearly asked what her part of the demise of the relationship. Quite frankly I would be cold and flippant with him too (though I don’t think she has). Almost everyone said not to engage him. When someone has acted the way he has you don’t feed the best-you ignore it.

He’s damaged goods. He isn’t worth the trouble he comes with. Go do something better with your time before you catch what he has. It’s contagious.
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And you joined dxp

Nowhere to go but up from here
😂😂😂😂
too much

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Posted by xtra1990
Apologies for the length.

Where to start...

According to my ex he's never loved anyone as much as me and wants to get married blah blah blah.

So fairly on my ex would ask me questions and I guess I was a little too honest? According to him a set the precedent and he thought I did to hurt his feelings. Examples; he asked what kind of porn I liked and answered and I took he took it personally because that wasn't what he was physically. Also asked if I like tall guys (he's a little on the shorter side) and I said yea so he also took that personally. Just to name a few examples...

Now, this is where I screwed up. I was out with my then-boyfriend and my girlfriends. My best friend who is in a relationship started dancing with another guy and he got mad at me. He assumed that's what I do when we're not together and he was fairly angry with me for almost two days. A few weeks later it's father's day and I'm with my family. He sent me a bitmoji (animated emoji) saying that he missed me. I completely forgot to respond since I'm with my family. He calls me and asked if I got his emoji and I lied and said yes, and I sent one back :/. He confronts me a week later in person and said that he knows I'm lying. I admit that I lied and said sorry. I explained that I just wanted to keep the peace because I don't know what he's going to get upset about.

Fast forward about 2 months ago.

As much as how this whole post(though i didnt read entirely) is skewed towards your favour/positioning yourself in a positive light you should not just use the term boyfriend/girlfriend loosely. That only happens when both you and him get to that "level" of trust, comittment which is stable. How can there be a relationship when he doesnt trust and you tend to lie(which you admitted) and all that shit happening between both of you lol, you know "like attract like"-if hes shitty and you're attracted to it you definitely have a shitty personality as well.

You guys are clearly dating and not in a relationship, still in that partying/sex/alcohol having fun phase which is perfectly alright because you are in your 20s!(judging from yourscreen name xtra1990 lol). From what i read i can tell you like drama which is a definite no-no to taurus guys who prefer stability for relationships. This taurus guy seems to entertain your drama though so i guess both of you can thrive in this cocktail of bullshit, love, passion, drama and whatnot till both compromise or it ends lol, well this is the adventure and fun of life right? Well honestly i feel you should just let nature take its course so continue doing what makes you happy for you first and if he fits your plan by him doing the same thing then thats great.

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Sigh you can’t make a comment if you haven’t read the entire post. You end up missing vital information.

He likes drama, not OP. She didn’t paint herself in a positive light. Her own title of the post is about how she lied. She ended the post trying to be introspective about her part in the relationship.

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Posted by xtra1990
Apologies for the length.

Where to start...

According to my ex he's never loved anyone as much as me and wants to get married blah blah blah.

So fairly on my ex would ask me questions and I guess I was a little too honest? According to him a set the precedent and he thought I did to hurt his feelings. Examples; he asked what kind of porn I liked and answered and I took he took it personally because that wasn't what he was physically. Also asked if I like tall guys (he's a little on the shorter side) and I said yea so he also took that personally. Just to name a few examples...

Now, this is where I screwed up. I was out with my then-boyfriend and my girlfriends. My best friend who is in a relationship started dancing with another guy and he got mad at me. He assumed that's what I do when we're not together and he was fairly angry with me for almost two days. A few weeks later it's father's day and I'm with my family. He sent me a bitmoji (animated emoji) saying that he missed me. I completely forgot to respond since I'm with my family. He calls me and asked if I got his emoji and I lied and said yes, and I sent one back :/. He confronts me a week later in person and said that he knows I'm lying. I admit that I lied and said sorry. I explained that I just wanted to keep the peace because I don't know what he's going to get upset about.

Fast forward about 2 months ago.

As much as how this whole post(though i didnt read entirely) is skewed towards your favour/positioning yourself in a positive light you should not just use the term boyfriend/girlfriend loosely. That only happens when both you and him get to that "level" of trust, comittment which is stable. How can there be a relationship when he doesnt trust and you tend to lie(which you admitted) and all that shit happening between both of you lol, you know "like attract like"-if hes shitty and you're attracted to it you definitely have a shitty personality as well.

You guys are clearly dating and not in a relationship, still in that partying/sex/alcohol having fun phase which is perfectly alright because you are in your 20s!(judging from yourscreen name xtra1990 lol). From what i read i can tell you like drama which is a definite no-no to taurus guys who prefer stability for relationships. This taurus guy seems to entertain your drama though so i guess both of you can thrive in this cocktail of bullshit, love, passion, drama and whatnot till both compromise or it ends lol, well this is the adventure and fun of life right? Well honestly i feel you should just let nature take its course so continue doing what makes you happy for you first and if he fits your plan by him doing the same thing then thats great.

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Yaaaas! Thank you.

Three sides to every story. Yours, his, the truth.

Maybe he is damaged. Maybe you’re damaging him further. Maybe he’s damaging you. Bottom line? This isn’t working for either of you!!!! Do everyone involved a favor and block him on all avenues of communication. Get yourself some therapy for you and only you for he betterment of just you.

You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
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You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


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Posted by piscesmoon2
You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


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That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

OP be careful and prepared. I know you haven’t replied to his last message, but he is not done.

He will contact you again. It may be very sweet or very nasty (who knows with him). Whatever he says don’t react to it.
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Posted by xtra1990
Posted by piscesmoon2
You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

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If you know the owner of a club well enough that he felt comfortable enough to touch you, whether you felt it or believed it to be random club goers bumping you or not, you are a party girl. You have multiple stories of partying in your original post that sparked a response from your Bull. You are on an astrology board. We are telling you that from the astrological trait perspective, Bulls don’t like party girls or girls that look like party girls. They are homebodies and get jealous easily. When he saw your little friend dancing with some random, knowing full well she had a bf, he assumed you do that too, because in his mind, birds of a feather, flock together. In the mind of a Taurus, you lie once about something stupid like an emoji, and he can’t trust you on the big stuff. So he thinks you are cheating on him and being a liar face about it.

I’m no Taurus expert, but I have learned some stuff from the Bulls on this board that has been a thousand percent on the money! Listen to them. They are all probably correct. He may have issues. You definitely have a problem that you wanna be with him in the face of the things you have told us about. I maintain that the rest of the story and the truth are still elusive in the conversation.

You both are incompatible on an astrological and sociophilosphical level.

Delete him from your life and move forward.

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Posted by piscesmoon2
Posted by xtra1990
Posted by piscesmoon2
You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

Who hurt you?
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Birth canal...
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Posted by piscesmoon2
Posted by xtra1990
Posted by piscesmoon2
You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

If you know the owner of a club well enough that he felt comfortable enough to touch you, whether you felt it or believed it to be random club goers bumping you or not, you are a party girl. You have multiple stories of partying in your original post that sparked a response from your Bull. You are on an astrology board. We are telling you that from the astrological trait perspective, Bulls don’t like party girls or girls that look like party girls. They are homebodies and get jealous easily. When he saw your little friend dancing with some random, knowing full well she had a bf, he assumed you do that too, because in his mind, birds of a feather, flock together. In the mind of a Taurus, you lie once about something stupid like an emoji, and he can’t trust you on the big stuff. So he thinks you are cheating on him and being a liar face about it.

I’m no Taurus expert, but I have learned some stuff from the Bulls on this board that has been a thousand percent on the money! Listen to them. They are all probably correct. He may have issues. You definitely have a problem that you wanna be with him in the face of the things you have told us about. I maintain that the rest of the story and the truth are still elusive in the conversation.

You both are incompatible on an astrological and sociophilosphical level.

Delete him from your life and move forward.

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You clearly didn’t read. In the beginning I said,

“I was out with my girlfriends (who I rarely ever see anymore) one night. My best friend is good friends with the club owner.”

That’s her friend. I don’t even see her that often, so no, no I’m not a party girl.
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Posted by piscesmoon2
Posted by xtra1990
Posted by piscesmoon2
You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

If you know the owner of a club well enough that he felt comfortable enough to touch you, whether you felt it or believed it to be random club goers bumping you or not, you are a party girl. You have multiple stories of partying in your original post that sparked a response from your Bull. You are on an astrology board. We are telling you that from the astrological trait perspective, Bulls don’t like party girls or girls that look like party girls. They are homebodies and get jealous easily. When he saw your little friend dancing with some random, knowing full well she had a bf, he assumed you do that too, because in his mind, birds of a feather, flock together. In the mind of a Taurus, you lie once about something stupid like an emoji, and he can’t trust you on the big stuff. So he thinks you are cheating on him and being a liar face about it.

I’m no Taurus expert, but I have learned some stuff from the Bulls on this board that has been a thousand percent on the money! Listen to them. They are all probably correct. He may have issues. You definitely have a problem that you wanna be with him in the face of the things you have told us about. I maintain that the rest of the story and the truth are still elusive in the conversation.

You both are incompatible on an astrological and sociophilosphical level.

Delete him from your life and move forward.

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So OP mentioned partying twice. One time he was out with her, the other time her friend knew the owner and the boyfriend was out as well (and she invited him to be with her).

Why are you making her out to be a party girl? He was out too, so why not say he’s a party boy? Don’t blame her and say she sparked something. She didn’t do anything.
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Posted by piscesmoon2
Posted by xtra1990
Posted by piscesmoon2
You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

If you know the owner of a club well enough that he felt comfortable enough to touch you, whether you felt it or believed it to be random club goers bumping you or not, you are a party girl. You have multiple stories of partying in your original post that sparked a response from your Bull. You are on an astrology board. We are telling you that from the astrological trait perspective, Bulls don’t like party girls or girls that look like party girls. They are homebodies and get jealous easily. When he saw your little friend dancing with some random, knowing full well she had a bf, he assumed you do that too, because in his mind, birds of a feather, flock together. In the mind of a Taurus, you lie once about something stupid like an emoji, and he can’t trust you on the big stuff. So he thinks you are cheating on him and being a liar face about it.

I’m no Taurus expert, but I have learned some stuff from the Bulls on this board that has been a thousand percent on the money! Listen to them. They are all probably correct. He may have issues. You definitely have a problem that you wanna be with him in the face of the things you have told us about. I maintain that the rest of the story and the truth are still elusive in the conversation.

You both are incompatible on an astrological and sociophilosphical level.

Delete him from your life and move forward.

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Hmm I don’t think he’d be compatible with anyone right now. Unless the woman feeds his insecurities 24/7, doesn’t speak up for herself, and never screws up no one will be compatible for this guy. People who are this insecure can never truly be happy. They’ll always find faults. Until he gets therapy he’ll continue to sabotage relationships.

OP if I were you, I'd be happy to have this guy out of my life. Relationships can be so much better than that with the right person. It's NEVER perfect, but it can be better.

Don't chase him, he doesn't seem worth it at all.


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Reading extremely long dxp OPs is like watching most modern Hollywood movies - the personal investment usually far outweighs the eventual payback (if any)...

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You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.

Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

If you know the owner of a club well enough that he felt comfortable enough to touch you, whether you felt it or believed it to be random club goers bumping you or not, you are a party girl. You have multiple stories of partying in your original post that sparked a response from your Bull. You are on an astrology board. We are telling you that from the astrological trait perspective, Bulls don’t like party girls or girls that look like party girls. They are homebodies and get jealous easily. When he saw your little friend dancing with some random, knowing full well she had a bf, he assumed you do that too, because in his mind, birds of a feather, flock together. In the mind of a Taurus, you lie once about something stupid like an emoji, and he can’t trust you on the big stuff. So he thinks you are cheating on him and being a liar face about it.

I’m no Taurus expert, but I have learned some stuff from the Bulls on this board that has been a thousand percent on the money! Listen to them. They are all probably correct. He may have issues. You definitely have a problem that you wanna be with him in the face of the things you have told us about. I maintain that the rest of the story and the truth are still elusive in the conversation.

You both are incompatible on an astrological and sociophilosphical level.

Delete him from your life and move forward.

You clearly didn’t read. In the beginning I said,

“I was out with my girlfriends (who I rarely ever see anymore) one night. My best friend is good friends with the club owner.”

That’s her friend. I don’t even see her that often, so no, no I’m not a party girl.
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Oh, I read what you wrote. You’re chummy enough with him that he felt it was ok to break a professional owner/patron barrier and force you to take the shot and possibly put his hands on you.

You may see them rarely, but what does that subjective term mean?

And that is the problem. It doesn’t matter what your reality may be. His perception is that you lied to him once so you’d lie again and that you like to go clubbing. This, his perception of you, based solely on what you have said, is that you are a liar and a party girl. Do you read? As clearly stated above, you are not a match for an overly sensitive Taurus. You are a Leo. Even a well adjusted Taurus would probably have trouble with you. You seem to enjoy a level of drama and argument, based on your posts and responses, that is incompatible. That is what I wrote above and that is what I will stand by.
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You are just not right for each other however you seem kinda like a party girl. These days it seems to be socially acceptable... in all honesty this is only one side is the story as well. You know where one side is all you hear... I am not going to say you are a bad person but there is not a hole lot in clubs to find other then girls that want attention, drugs, and trouble. As people get older they don't need this as much and well woman often start to realize most men will not stay nor respect any girl that seems to much like a party girl.

As far as porn it has really tainted sex forever... in all honesty people these days seem like they hardly work... live on credit and think they are all rock stars because of instagram and a guy my buy them a drink.

I am not about to say this guy sounds super healthy but be realistic about what you want... if you do ever want to settle down realize you may not be so good looking if you have a kid or social... I say this to many woman... often times they think just because they are good looking that they can get a guy when ever... these days guys are seeing how party girls seem to be... why would they want to settle down with that. I would rather be alone then have to deal with drunk girl drama and constant need for attention.


Understand that most of the woman that give advise here just take your side because you are a girl. Also that most people are also liberal. Again I am not saying you can't or should feel ashamed but be realistic of what you want for a future... do you want to be the 40 year old cougar in the club or would you like to actually have a family. Plan accordingly because neither are accidents.

Piscesmoon
I’m not a party girl...


That is what they all say... walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then most likely it is a duck.

You would like a party girl to me... excepting random shots from guys at clubs... even more so the owner... always a sign of a party girl. The owners just want and wait to pick up on party girls. Ever notice how so many clubs go out of business and so on... these are not really stable business most of the time.

I say this knowing many men that went into this industry just to get ass... door guys, bartenders, promoters, owners, and so on... In the end very few do well in life and few ever have successful relationships due to the environment they are in... beside how do you have a family if you don't ever get home till 4 am or in the am. There are a few people that due well but a lot of time they don't drink I found out and or own many business.

Piscesmoon

If you know the owner of a club well enough that he felt comfortable enough to touch you, whether you felt it or believed it to be random club goers bumping you or not, you are a party girl. You have multiple stories of partying in your original post that sparked a response from your Bull. You are on an astrology board. We are telling you that from the astrological trait perspective, Bulls don’t like party girls or girls that look like party girls. They are homebodies and get jealous easily. When he saw your little friend dancing with some random, knowing full well she had a bf, he assumed you do that too, because in his mind, birds of a feather, flock together. In the mind of a Taurus, you lie once about something stupid like an emoji, and he can’t trust you on the big stuff. So he thinks you are cheating on him and being a liar face about it.

I’m no Taurus expert, but I have learned some stuff from the Bulls on this board that has been a thousand percent on the money! Listen to them. They are all probably correct. He may have issues. You definitely have a problem that you wanna be with him in the face of the things you have told us about. I maintain that the rest of the story and the truth are still elusive in the conversation.

You both are incompatible on an astrological and sociophilosphical level.

Delete him from your life and move forward.

You clearly didn’t read. In the beginning I said,

“I was out with my girlfriends (who I rarely ever see anymore) one night. My best friend is good friends with the club owner.”

That’s her friend. I don’t even see her that often, so no, no I’m not a party girl.
Oh, I read what you wrote. You’re chummy enough with him that he felt it was ok to break a professional owner/patron barrier and force you to take the shot and possibly put his hands on you.

You may see them rarely, but what does that subjective term mean?

And that is the problem. It doesn’t matter what your reality may be. His perception is that you lied to him once so you’d lie again and that you like to go clubbing. This, his perception of you, based solely on what you have said, is that you are a liar and a party girl. Do you read? As clearly stated above, you are not a match for an overly sensitive Taurus. You are a Leo. Even a well adjusted Taurus would probably have trouble with you. You seem to enjoy a level of drama and argument, based on your posts and responses, that is incompatible. That is what I wrote above and that is what I will stand by.
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Well maybe you read it but comprehension and logical reasoning are not your strong suit. You can’t help what other people do. You can only control your actions. The owner made the choice to come over. OP couldn’t help that.

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