Do men have a friend zone for women??

This topic was created in the The Man Cave forum by virgoking on Tuesday, February 4, 2020 and has 57 replies.
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I don't, I don't even know a man that does. I have women that are friends but they can still get the dick. I might not go after it but if it came up I'm not saying no.. Is that the man version of the friends zone.
Stupidity is such a terrible thing to see.
Didn't they make a movie about this?

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Posted by ArilovesAqu

What you’re describing is literally the friend zone. A man who wants to sleep with a woman and the woman has no intention of being anything other than a friend.


You....are in the friend zone.

no in my case if she ask I'm not going to get all mad and freak out that's why I ask. Because in the reverse women freak out if you make a move and you are in the friends zone.
No.

Women use the friend zone to categorize the men they won't fuck.

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.
Posted by LadyNeptune


Men have zero issues fucking their friends.
You can't actually believe that...
Posted by Sassysailorscout I assume every guy is a guy. And a guy friend who is not gay (Even then sometimes) and single wants or will sleep with me given the opportunity . This is facts. I don't pretend and play games about biology.


I'm a little tired today. Help me out....


So you basically think every straight single man (and some that are gay) desires to sleep with you?
Posted by SlipperySlope

So you'll fuck your friend but what if she fat/ugly?


Will you just not be friends with a fat/ugly?


This...... I got some great friends that are women whom I have never pursued and some have asked me why. I keep them close because I like there insight and every guy who has success with women know that women attract more women. Just because a guy is on dxpnet doesn't mean he is desperate for attention from the opposite sex. I'm to picky for anything avg. so the friend zone cards are more frequent than not tbh.
i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


Posted by LadyNeptune

No.

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


you can't even count then to not fuck each others LMAO


take two average straight guys, leave then for a year in a deserted island.... see what happens then 🤣


and they gonna have a "friend zone" yeah right.
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Posted by Sassysailorscout I assume every guy is a guy. And a guy friend who is not gay (Even then sometimes) and single wants or will sleep with me given the opportunity . This is facts. I don't pretend and play games about biology.


I'm a little tired today. Help me out....


So you basically think every straight single man (and some that are gay) desires to sleep with you?


Yes .
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That's very interesting. Do all straight (and some gay) single men desire to sleep with you specifically? Or do you think this applies to all women?


And whatever your answer to that is, what do you actually base this belief on?




Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.
and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....
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Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....
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you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.


All my friends in high school were all girls whom I never had no intention to fuck. And all the Scorpios I hang and chill with are all females. Nothing consensual. So what's the big deal?
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Posted by LadyNeptune

No.

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


you can't even count then to not fuck each others LMAO


take two average straight guys, leave then for a year in a deserted island.... see what happens then 🤣


and they gonna have a "friend zone" yeah right.
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So, like, prison? Lol

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Posted by LadyNeptune

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


You can't actually believe that...
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Yes, I do believe that.

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Posted by jeane
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Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....


you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.


" it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them. "


fair point.
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when i was having early troubles with my taurus tiz, i wanted to know how to get him to open up to me. what do you do? i googled. i came across this page


https://www.howtowinamansheart.com/blog/how-to-encourage-a-man-to-open-up-to-you/


its very long and took me several visits for the information to superficially penetrate but it really helped me. a lot of it spoke about the very deep feelings men hold.


all very good and well but if men don't share it and women won't listen then both sexes lose out.
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Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....


you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.
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There are men who are looking for a quick fuck and who are only as faithful or as sexually inhibited "as their options" as the saying goes (all separate and potentially unrelated issues IMO). And then there are men who don't fit these categories as you just said. Not trying to be a smartass at all here, but its hard to see how its any man (or woman's) responsibility to make sure that any particular group they belong to isn't being mis-characterized by others. I'm not out here representing men. I'm just living my life. If someone is so ignorant to still be running with stereotypes like "all men (or women) are the same", I just chime in at that point to tell them that they're wrong on whatever the particular issue is.


Isn't it just obvious that men enjoy companionship though? Don't we grow up in families with mothers, sisters, and a whole host of social relationships with women, many that we care about deeply, that have no sexual context whatsoever? What do women who believe that their male friends would jump at the chance to fuq them, think these men are hanging around them for? Are they just waiting patiently for a moment of weakness?
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by Metatron
Posted by LadyNeptune

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


You can't actually believe that...


Yes, I do believe that.
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What do you base that belief on? You think men are sexually attracted to all of their friends? Or you think men even routinely fuck women they are not sexually attracted to?


To clarify....


And I'm making a couple assumptions here, like for instance that you have a social life where you and your boyfriend go out with mutual friends of the opposite sex -- do you basically believe that you're dating a man who would fuck any one of them, were he given the green light by all parties involved?
Posted by Metatron
Posted by jeane
Posted by Metatron
Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....


you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.


There are men who are looking for a quick fuck and who are only as faithful or as sexually inhibited "as their options" as the saying goes (all separate and potentially unrelated issues IMO). And then there are men who don't fit these categories as you just said. Not trying to be a smartass at all here, but its hard to see how its any man (or woman's) responsibility to make sure men that any particular group they belong to isn't being mis-characterized by others. I'm not out here representing men. I'm just living my life. If someone is so ignorant to still be running with stereotypes like "all men (or women) are the same", I just chime in at that point to tell them that they're wrong on whatever the particular issue is.


Isn't it just obvious that men enjoy companionship though? Don't we grow up in families with mothers, sisters, and a whole host of social relationships with women, many that we care about deeply, that have no sexual context whatsoever? What do women who believe that their male friends would jump at the chance to fuq them, think these men are hanging around them for? Are they just waiting patiently for a moment of weakness?
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i agree #notallmen


more and more though we (ie women) are bombarded with stories of the "nice guy" or incels that seethe with hatred for women but in reality all they want is to have sex with the pretty woman at the gym.


so yeah from the other side looking in, you guys have a terrible marketing department. it isn't obvious that men enjoy companionship. male companionship definitely but female companionship? "go and make me a sandwich."


i do understand what you are saying about it being no one man's responsibility to set the record straight but it only takes one unstable woman to lead to "vet your hoes" and only one elliot rodger to have women feel that sex at any price is the norm. unfortunately, the individual becomes the group.
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Posted by jeane
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Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....


you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.


There are men who are looking for a quick fuck and who are only as faithful or as sexually inhibited "as their options" as the saying goes (all separate and potentially unrelated issues IMO). And then there are men who don't fit these categories as you just said. Not trying to be a smartass at all here, but its hard to see how its any man (or woman's) responsibility to make sure men that any particular group they belong to isn't being mis-characterized by others. I'm not out here representing men. I'm just living my life. If someone is so ignorant to still be running with stereotypes like "all men (or women) are the same", I just chime in at that point to tell them that they're wrong on whatever the particular issue is.


Isn't it just obvious that men enjoy companionship though? Don't we grow up in families with mothers, sisters, and a whole host of social relationships with women, many that we care about deeply, that have no sexual context whatsoever? What do women who believe that their male friends would jump at the chance to fuq them, think these men are hanging around them for? Are they just waiting patiently for a moment of weakness?


i agree #notallmen


more and more though we (ie women) are bombarded with stories of the "nice guy" or incels that seethe with hatred for women but in reality all they want is to have sex with the pretty woman at the gym.


so yeah from the other side looking in, you guys have a terrible marketing department. it isn't obvious that men enjoy companionship. male companionship definitely but female companionship? "go and make me a sandwich."
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I dunno. You can find anything on youtube, but I have never met an incel. I certainly didn't elect them. About that whole sandwich-making thing...lulz. I think we just inherit ideas about roles from whatever the previous generation modeled in our homes. I've definitely been in relationships where the woman expects me to do everything her father did - fix anything that breaks, "bring home the bacon" for the sandwiches, mow the yard, take out the trash, etc. I'm sure as gender equality increases, roles will continue to dissolve, reverse, etc. But none of that speaks against desiring companionship to me - just misguided expectations around what it entails. If quick sex is supposed to be the driver though, most (not all) of the men I know get much less sex in marriage than they did when single/dating, or even dating/courting that partner....
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Posted by Metatron
Posted by Sassysailorscout I assume every guy is a guy. And a guy friend who is not gay (Even then sometimes) and single wants or will sleep with me given the opportunity . This is facts. I don't pretend and play games about biology.


I'm a little tired today. Help me out....


So you basically think every straight single man (and some that are gay) desires to sleep with you?


Yes .


That's very interesting. Do all straight (and some gay) single men desire to sleep with you specifically? Or do you think this applies to all women?


And whatever your answer to that is, what do you actually base this belief on?


I'm a little tired today. Help me out ...


Can you just fill in whatever anwser makes you feel better. Thanks boo 😘
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I'm just going to assume you have prominent Leo placements....
Posted by LadyNeptune
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Posted by LadyNeptune

No.

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


you can't even count then to not fuck each others LMAO


take two average straight guys, leave then for a year in a deserted island.... see what happens then 🤣


and they gonna have a "friend zone" yeah right.


So, like, prison? Lol
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yeah, I was just wanting to save that for when someone here tried to refute me.


there's also military deployment, what about those navy jokes, there's one that say that 24 men go down in a submarine and 12 couples comes back to surface.


how come such, lets say "male ridden/masculine things" have the biggest homosexual connotations?

and why do guys draw penises everywhere? even on each others faces 🤦‍♀️


mysteries of our universe.
Posted by LadyNeptune

No.

Women use the friend zone to categorize the men they won't fuck.

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.

Not all men. If you know messing around will undermine the friendship, you don't do it. Risk vs. reward?

Yes that biological drive is a pain in the ass and more so when you find them attractive. Honestly it's a really difficult situation.


I have a question for you. Your male friends. Real friends btw. How many of the top 10 qualities in a partner do they have?
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Posted by LadyNeptune
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Posted by LadyNeptune

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


You can't actually believe that...


Yes, I do believe that.


What do you base that belief on? You think men are sexually attracted to all of their friends? Or you think men even routinely fuck women they are not sexually attracted to?


To clarify....


And I'm making a couple assumptions here, like for instance that you have a social life where you and your boyfriend go out with mutual friends of the opposite sex -- do you basically believe that you're dating a man who would fuck any one of them, were he given the green light by all parties involved?
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To clarify,

No, I said nothing about men being sexually attracted to ALL of their friends. I said men wouldn’t deny themselves sex on the basis of ‘we’re friends’ like women do when they friend zone.


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Posted by Metatron
Posted by jeane
Posted by Metatron
Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....


you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.


There are men who are looking for a quick fuck and who are only as faithful or as sexually inhibited "as their options" as the saying goes (all separate and potentially unrelated issues IMO). And then there are men who don't fit these categories as you just said. Not trying to be a smartass at all here, but its hard to see how its any man (or woman's) responsibility to make sure that any particular group they belong to isn't being mis-characterized by others. I'm not out here representing men. I'm just living my life. If someone is so ignorant to still be running with stereotypes like "all men (or women) are the same", I just chime in at that point to tell them that they're wrong on whatever the particular issue is.


Isn't it just obvious that men enjoy companionship though? Don't we grow up in families with mothers, sisters, and a whole host of social relationships with women, many that we care about deeply, that have no sexual context whatsoever? What do women who believe that their male friends would jump at the chance to fuq them, think these men are hanging around them for? Are they just waiting patiently for a moment of weakness?


Allow me to chime in, be and sound like a smartass:

It's a variation of a core problem that humans face in relation to themselves as well as others, which is that your identity can only exist as a filtered and made construct. Only through this made up image and it's narration you can relate to yourself. Without it you would have a very different sense of self, if any at all. In relationships to others this problem only becomes more prominent even although we all usually try to project an image that we understand as something we are to others as means to connect and feel understood. One of the biggest obstacles is that we don't always speak in the same abstract language and symbols. In other words you not only have to actively express yourself but have to do so in the language of the other person. That's already a doubled effort you have to put in.

Now put this already problematic thing into the potentially sexually charged male-female relationship that has been the source of conflict for thousands of years and you can only have a mess of misunderstandings. The increasing politicisation and moralisation of the recent years also probably didn't help with that.

With all of that in mind, to just live and do your thing would create a massive vacuum that the other person would need to fill with something to avoid a potential uncomfortableness or even other, stronger emotions. The usual solution is to project aspects of yourself into this void.


In general I can only recommend some self-experimentation to see what happens once one truly stops commuicating his/her/it's own self-image in various and just do things without ever framing them to others.


Almost all of this wouldn't really be a problem if us humans would be able to apporach each other openly, as individuals and without categories, but that's hard for most and eventually even problematic or harmful for most other contexts.

In the end both genders will have to put in some effort and create new, and hopefully, better categories.
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Short translation: "be real wit yoself," lol.
Posted by 7thHouse

I think men do have a friend zone for women. Their human beings after all and have preferences and standards.

Exactly. If someone has any standards at all (men or women), they won't try to fuck everything they can. I have tons of women friends and if anything it's the opposite.
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Posted by jeane

i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....


you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.


There are men who are looking for a quick fuck and who are only as faithful or as sexually inhibited "as their options" as the saying goes (all separate and potentially unrelated issues IMO). And then there are men who don't fit these categories as you just said. Not trying to be a smartass at all here, but its hard to see how its any man (or woman's) responsibility to make sure that any particular group they belong to isn't being mis-characterized by others. I'm not out here representing men. I'm just living my life. If someone is so ignorant to still be running with stereotypes like "all men (or women) are the same", I just chime in at that point to tell them that they're wrong on whatever the particular issue is.


Isn't it just obvious that men enjoy companionship though? Don't we grow up in families with mothers, sisters, and a whole host of social relationships with women, many that we care about deeply, that have no sexual context whatsoever? What do women who believe that their male friends would jump at the chance to fuq them, think these men are hanging around them for? Are they just waiting patiently for a moment of weakness?


Allow me to chime in, be and sound like a smartass:

It's a variation of a core problem that humans face in relation to themselves as well as others, which is that your identity can only exist as a filtered and made construct. Only through this made up image and it's narration you can relate to yourself. Without it you would have a very different sense of self, if any at all. In relationships to others this problem only becomes more prominent even although we all usually try to project an image that we understand as something we are to others as means to connect and feel understood. One of the biggest obstacles is that we don't always speak in the same abstract language and symbols. In other words you not only have to actively express yourself but have to do so in the language of the other person. That's already a doubled effort you have to put in.

Now put this already problematic thing into the potentially sexually charged male-female relationship that has been the source of conflict for thousands of years and you can only have a mess of misunderstandings. The increasing politicisation and moralisation of the recent years also probably didn't help with that.

With all of that in mind, to just live and do your thing would create a massive vacuum that the other person would need to fill with something to avoid a potential uncomfortableness or even other, stronger emotions. The usual solution is to project aspects of yourself into this void.


In general I can only recommend some self-experimentation to see what happens once one truly stops commuicating his/her/it's own self-image in various and just do things without ever framing them to others.


Almost all of this wouldn't really be a problem if us humans would be able to apporach each other openly, as individuals and without categories, but that's hard for most and eventually even problematic or harmful for most other contexts.

In the end both genders will have to put in some effort and create new, and hopefully, better categories.


Short translation: "be real wit yoself," lol.


No.

That's exactly what it can't be, because there is no "real".

There is only the fiction.
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My favorite nursery rhyme: "row, row, row your boat gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream."
Posted by Black-Mamba

how come all my guy friends stop being friends with me after they get a girlfriend/wife

it's the wife she say something they always do.
Yes, I think its common for lines to kinda blur

I’m good friends with the Leo

But we’d fuck in a heartbeat if I was single, there is attraction but no desire for a relationship on any romantic level. Being friends is emotionally satisfying and fulfilling.

yes they do I’ve been a couple times wouldn’t recommend
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Posted by LadyNeptune

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


You can't actually believe that...


Yes, I do believe that.


What do you base that belief on? You think men are sexually attracted to all of their friends? Or you think men even routinely fuck women they are not sexually attracted to?


To clarify....


And I'm making a couple assumptions here, like for instance that you have a social life where you and your boyfriend go out with mutual friends of the opposite sex -- do you basically believe that you're dating a man who would fuck any one of them, were he given the green light by all parties involved?


To clarify,

No, I said nothing about men being sexually attracted to ALL of their friends. I said men wouldn’t deny themselves sex on the basis of ‘we’re friends’ like women do when they friend zone.
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Thx for clarifying.


So you think men are incapable of choosing the value of the friendship over the instant gratification of sex? I can tell you I've definitely made that choice myself. One of the closest female friends I've had, also one of the most physically attractive women I've known....I sincerely respected her too much to think of her sexually. I would literally not even allow my thoughts to go there as I thought it would mess up the vibe. There did come a time where I felt she was signaling attraction. Tbh, in my own mind, I felt sure I could've slept with her, but I had no interest whatsoever, as I felt we'd be incompatible long-term and lose respect for one another. I didn't really like who/how she was with the guy she was dating for most of the time I'd known her, and I felt she wouldn't deal too well with my own possessiveness. So unless, I'm still misunderstanding you, that theory doesn't really get off the ground, and I'm confused as to why you would even hold to it....






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Posted by LadyNeptune

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


You can't actually believe that...


Yes, I do believe that.


What do you base that belief on? You think men are sexually attracted to all of their friends? Or you think men even routinely fuck women they are not sexually attracted to?


To clarify....


And I'm making a couple assumptions here, like for instance that you have a social life where you and your boyfriend go out with mutual friends of the opposite sex -- do you basically believe that you're dating a man who would fuck any one of them, were he given the green light by all parties involved?


To clarify,

No, I said nothing about men being sexually attracted to ALL of their friends. I said men wouldn’t deny themselves sex on the basis of ‘we’re friends’ like women do when they friend zone.


Thx for clarifying.


So you think men are incapable of choosing the value of the friendship over the instant gratification of sex? I can tell you I've definitely made that choice myself. One of the closest female friends I've had, also one of the most physically attractive women I've known....I sincerely respected her too much to think of her sexually. I would literally not even allow my thoughts to go there as I thought it would mess up the vibe. There did come a time where I felt she was signaling attraction. Tbh, in my own mind, I felt sure I could've slept with her, but I had no interest whatsoever, as I felt we'd be incompatible long-term and lose respect for one another. I didn't really like who/how she was with the guy she was dating for most of the time I'd known her, and I felt she wouldn't deal too well with my own possessiveness. So unless, I'm still misunderstanding you, that theory doesn't really get off the ground, and I'm confused as to why you would even hold to it....
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Just to add insult to the injury, let’s not forget the self-undoing perpetuated by boyfriends/partners worldwide filling their respective SO’s heads with the notion that they (girlfriends) could not possibly have strictly platonic male friends. 🤷🏻‍♀️


I’m sure explanation to the incentives and/or rationale behind such behavior/actions is completely redundant though.
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Posted by LadyNeptune

Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


You can't actually believe that...


Yes, I do believe that.


What do you base that belief on? You think men are sexually attracted to all of their friends? Or you think men even routinely fuck women they are not sexually attracted to?


To clarify....


And I'm making a couple assumptions here, like for instance that you have a social life where you and your boyfriend go out with mutual friends of the opposite sex -- do you basically believe that you're dating a man who would fuck any one of them, were he given the green light by all parties involved?


To clarify,

No, I said nothing about men being sexually attracted to ALL of their friends. I said men wouldn’t deny themselves sex on the basis of ‘we’re friends’ like women do when they friend zone.


Thx for clarifying.


So you think men are incapable of choosing the value of the friendship over the instant gratification of sex? I can tell you I've definitely made that choice myself. One of the closest female friends I've had, also one of the most physically attractive women I've known....I sincerely respected her too much to think of her sexually. I would literally not even allow my thoughts to go there as I thought it would mess up the vibe. There did come a time where I felt she was signaling attraction. Tbh, in my own mind, I felt sure I could've slept with her, but I had no interest whatsoever, as I felt we'd be incompatible long-term and lose respect for one another. I didn't really like who/how she was with the guy she was dating for most of the time I'd known her, and I felt she wouldn't deal too well with my own possessiveness. So unless, I'm still misunderstanding you, that theory doesn't really get off the ground, and I'm confused as to why you would even hold to it....


Just to add insult to the injury, let’s not forget the self-undoing perpetuated by boyfriends/partners worldwide filling their respective SO’s heads with the notion that they (girlfriends) could not possibly have strictly platonic male friends. 🤷🏻‍♀️


I’m sure explanation to the incentives and/or rationale behind such behavior/actions is completely redundant though.
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I admit that I've used the line myself ("you know he just wants to sleep with you"). But of course, I was just being extremely insecure and manipulative and I had no idea whatsoever. I've had jealous gf's do the same though. I (regrettably) ghosted the friend in my story above, because I wound up dating a rival of her's, who didn't trust her around me....


I think romantic relationships have been so filled with drama for me, most of my life, that if anything I tend to heavily idealize male-female friendship, and am sometimes in danger of valuing it or prioritizing it over a romance....
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Men have zero issues fucking their friends.


You can't actually believe that...


Yes, I do believe that.


What do you base that belief on? You think men are sexually attracted to all of their friends? Or you think men even routinely fuck women they are not sexually attracted to?


To clarify....


And I'm making a couple assumptions here, like for instance that you have a social life where you and your boyfriend go out with mutual friends of the opposite sex -- do you basically believe that you're dating a man who would fuck any one of them, were he given the green light by all parties involved?


To clarify,

No, I said nothing about men being sexually attracted to ALL of their friends. I said men wouldn’t deny themselves sex on the basis of ‘we’re friends’ like women do when they friend zone.


Thx for clarifying.


So you think men are incapable of choosing the value of the friendship over the instant gratification of sex? I can tell you I've definitely made that choice myself. One of the closest female friends I've had, also one of the most physically attractive women I've known....I sincerely respected her too much to think of her sexually. I would literally not even allow my thoughts to go there as I thought it would mess up the vibe. There did come a time where I felt she was signaling attraction. Tbh, in my own mind, I felt sure I could've slept with her, but I had no interest whatsoever, as I felt we'd be incompatible long-term and lose respect for one another. I didn't really like who/how she was with the guy she was dating for most of the time I'd known her, and I felt she wouldn't deal too well with my own possessiveness. So unless, I'm still misunderstanding you, that theory doesn't really get off the ground, and I'm confused as to why you would even hold to it....


Just to add insult to the injury, let’s not forget the self-undoing perpetuated by boyfriends/partners worldwide filling their respective SO’s heads with the notion that they (girlfriends) could not possibly have strictly platonic male friends. 🤷🏻‍♀️


I’m sure explanation to the incentives and/or rationale behind such behavior/actions is completely redundant though.


I admit that I've used the line myself ("you know he just wants to sleep with you"). But of course, I was just being extremely insecure and manipulative and I had no idea whatsoever. I've had jealous gf's do the same though. I (regrettably) ghosted the friend in my story above, because I wound up dating a rival of her's, who didn't trust her around me....
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I am willing to wager that insecurities are at the forefront of the number of reasons as to why that line might be used, and I’m afraid to say, it is (ab)used entirely too often, so much so, it’s as though it is willed into the reality.


I’ve refused to accept it as the truth for as long as I’ve known for myself and have regrettably gotten into heated debates with my partner(s) I was with at that time due to said refusal. I’d like to think though, that once we reach certain age and hopefully rid ourself of hung-ups and insecurities along the way, the idea of platonic friends of the opposite sex becomes not only acceptable but also welcome.



PS battery running low. My apologies for failing to be as cogent as I had wished
Posted by Argus I’d like to think though, once we reach certain age and hopefully rid ourself of hung-ups and insecurities long the way, the idea of platonic friends of the opposite sex becomes not only acceptable but also welcome.



for so many reasons I've come to believe that being embedded, as a couple, in a wider group of attractive male and female friends that we get together regularly with, is one of the most beneficial things I can do to preserve a romantic relationship...
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i think some of you aren't giving some men enough credit.


and/or are delusional, ignorant, sexist, arrogant, etc....


don't hold back now....


you know what? reading it saddens me because it makes me realise that women on the whole don't see certain aspects to male character. partly that's on women. it's also on men too because they don't talk to women about it or show them.


i have a lot of male friends and they aren't looking for a quick fuck. they are actually seeking (even longing) for a connection/companion and the closeness that comes from sex with someone they have feelings for. having sex with any available woman (colleague, acquaintance etc) just doesn't do it for them. even if she is very attractive.


There are men who are looking for a quick fuck and who are only as faithful or as sexually inhibited "as their options" as the saying goes (all separate and potentially unrelated issues IMO). And then there are men who don't fit these categories as you just said. Not trying to be a smartass at all here, but its hard to see how its any man (or woman's) responsibility to make sure that any particular group they belong to isn't being mis-characterized by others. I'm not out here representing men. I'm just living my life. If someone is so ignorant to still be running with stereotypes like "all men (or women) are the same", I just chime in at that point to tell them that they're wrong on whatever the particular issue is.


Isn't it just obvious that men enjoy companionship though? Don't we grow up in families with mothers, sisters, and a whole host of social relationships with women, many that we care about deeply, that have no sexual context whatsoever? What do women who believe that their male friends would jump at the chance to fuq them, think these men are hanging around them for? Are they just waiting patiently for a moment of weakness?


Allow me to chime in, be and sound like a smartass:

It's a variation of a core problem that humans face in relation to themselves as well as others, which is that your identity can only exist as a filtered and made construct. Only through this made up image and it's narration you can relate to yourself. Without it you would have a very different sense of self, if any at all. In relationships to others this problem only becomes more prominent even although we all usually try to project an image that we understand as something we are to others as means to connect and feel understood. One of the biggest obstacles is that we don't always speak in the same abstract language and symbols. In other words you not only have to actively express yourself but have to do so in the language of the other person. That's already a doubled effort you have to put in.

Now put this already problematic thing into the potentially sexually charged male-female relationship that has been the source of conflict for thousands of years and you can only have a mess of misunderstandings. The increasing politicisation and moralisation of the recent years also probably didn't help with that.

With all of that in mind, to just live and do your thing would create a massive vacuum that the other person would need to fill with something to avoid a potential uncomfortableness or even other, stronger emotions. The usual solution is to project aspects of yourself into this void.


In general I can only recommend some self-experimentation to see what happens once one truly stops commuicating his/her/it's own self-image in various and just do things without ever framing them to others.


Almost all of this wouldn't really be a problem if us humans would be able to apporach each other openly, as individuals and without categories, but that's hard for most and eventually even problematic or harmful for most other contexts.

In the end both genders will have to put in some effort and create new, and hopefully, better categories.
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I agree on all points😋


Categories>words>symbols they are all just points of reference we all agree to use for the sole purpose of communication. My favorite example of this is the word "meek" the traditional meaning is pretty different then how we use it now.


Anyway it's interesting how this all came along and snowballed out if control. Perhaps when we catagories things we limit and box the thing in by defining it rigidly. Things change and people are very diverse to Begin with, hense the rebellion?

I understand both sides. Things are getting out of hand now though. In the social justice and political correctness movement, The former suppressed are steady becoming the suppressors.


Anyway, honest and non-judgemental communication is extremely rare. I don't see it on TV at all. It's more of a exchange of ideas and points of view rather winning or losing. Unfortunately I only see that in podcasts and acedemic disgusions and debates. That needs to change.
Yeah...not, unless the chemistry is not there. Which make one question how did you become friends, in the first instance.


I think it's up to the woman to set firm boundaries.
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Yeah...not, unless the chemistry is not there. Which make one question how did you become friends, in the first instance.


I think it's up to the woman to set firm boundaries.
why is it the woman's responsibility to set a man's boundary?
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how come all my guy friends stop being friends with me after they get a girlfriend/wife


Scenario 1: the wife has problems with it

Scenario 2: the husband thinks the wife might have a problem with it and takes preemptive measures

Scenario 3: the merging, where most of the other social contancts are mostly abandoned


the answer is because men truly can't be friends with women


they really use the woman and if they can't get sex will dump her for the one that gives him sex


simple, men can't be friends with women they're just biding their time until they can get a regular sexual mate
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Not true in my case. All of this what you said is totally false to a tee.


I have Pisces female friends and we've been friends for years upon years without any desire for sex. We are friends and friends only.


I prefer female friends over males because females gives emotional support (not that I really need it) and are far more trustworthy than men. But the right ones being truly trustworthy are Pisces females.


The Scorpios I always be talking about.... We just kick it with each other. I have no urge to have any kind of sexual relationships with them whatsoever.


All of those females I befriend got some very beautiful ass faces. The only thing I sometimes wanna do is smother their cute little faces with my big plumpy lips. But no sex.


If I know you any better than I already know you just from how you come off on these message boards and the comment section, you'll more likely roll your eyes at this post.
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Yeah...not, unless the chemistry is not there. Which make one question how did you become friends, in the first instance.


I think it's up to the woman to set firm boundaries.


why is it the woman's responsibility to set a man's boundary?
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She can't "set a man's boundary". However, she can set a boundary between herself and that man. Her self-made boundary.


In my case, it meant responding with silence and stern face to all backhanded compliments and saying a firm NO when something questionable was on offer. They learned quickly that there was a boundary.


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Yeah...not, unless the chemistry is not there. Which make one question how did you become friends, in the first instance.


I think it's up to the woman to set firm boundaries.


why is it the woman's responsibility to set a man's boundary?


She can't "set a man's boundary". However, she can set a boundary between herself and that man. Her self-made boundary.


In my case, it meant responding with silence and stern face to all backhanded compliments and saying a firm NO when something questionable was on offer. They learned quickly that there was a boundary.
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or perhaps maybe men shouldn't overstep the mark with women in the first place if it is uninvited?
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Yeah...not, unless the chemistry is not there. Which make one question how did you become friends, in the first instance.


I think it's up to the woman to set firm boundaries.


why is it the woman's responsibility to set a man's boundary?


She can't "set a man's boundary". However, she can set a boundary between herself and that man. Her self-made boundary.


In my case, it meant responding with silence and stern face to all backhanded compliments and saying a firm NO when something questionable was on offer. They learned quickly that there was a boundary.


or perhaps maybe men shouldn't overstep the mark with women in the first place if it is uninvited?
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You made me think of a vampire, unable to enter the house until invited Big Grin Of course they shouldn't overstep boundaries!


I never actually experienced any sexual innuendos from male friends (unless an offer to massage me with vinegar as a cure for a common cold that I didn't actually have could be considered sexual, lol). What I experienced was male friends starting to behave like they had a crush on me...that was unnerving.
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how come all my guy friends stop being friends with me after they get a girlfriend/wife


Scenario 1: the wife has problems with it

Scenario 2: the husband thinks the wife might have a problem with it and takes preemptive measures

Scenario 3: the merging, where most of the other social contancts are mostly abandoned


the answer is because men truly can't be friends with women


they really use the woman and if they can't get sex will dump her for the one that gives him sex


simple, men can't be friends with women they're just biding their time until they can get a regular sexual mate


Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid taking responsibility for the failings of your relationships.
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It's not failing of her relationships cus she never been deep in it with all those outgoing fire she got. It's the failing of her friendship with men.
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how come all my guy friends stop being friends with me after they get a girlfriend/wife


Scenario 1: the wife has problems with it

Scenario 2: the husband thinks the wife might have a problem with it and takes preemptive measures

Scenario 3: the merging, where most of the other social contancts are mostly abandoned


the answer is because men truly can't be friends with women


they really use the woman and if they can't get sex will dump her for the one that gives him sex


simple, men can't be friends with women they're just biding their time until they can get a regular sexual mate


Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid taking responsibility for the failings of your relationships.


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It's not failing of her relationships cus she never been deep in it with all those outgoing fire she got. It's the failing of her friendship with men.


Friendships are relationships. They are just non-romantic.

I still should have been more clear on this tho.
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No you made it crystal clear. The two are the same with the exception that friendship is non romantic. I was just saying deep relationship with sex emotionally and physically involve.


The bottom line is I think a man can be just friends with women without asking for sex or wanting it. I disagree with a lot of people on this thread.
Another question can a man be friends with a really hot chick like a perfect 10.. I can't do it I tried they are just too fine for me. I can't stop thinking as about fucking them. It's painful to be around such women and trying to turn off your natural responses.
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Another question can a man be friends with a really hot chick like a perfect 10.. I can't do it I tried they are just too fine for me. I can't stop thinking as about fucking them. It's painful to be around such women and trying to turn off your natural responses.
Yeah it's possible. Look man, I'm just like you. I lust over beautiful women. I have lustful placements. That is why I can't help my lustful ways even tho I already got a woman I can just look at all day anytime. And I know you to be this way too you don't have to hide your true desire in sexy women with me. Feel comfy and come clean with me. We're both men.


I can still be friends with a perfect ten lady. Yes I may look at her as someone I may want to perform sex with especially if she has nice curves with a beautifully figured ass but once we become friends all that nasty lust will be thrown out the window.
some men are stupid as hell


like my scorpio sun/cap moon co-worker


telling me that some men pretend to be gay to get with women


what kind of cuckooland brain is that?


coz it's unfathomable for a gay guy to befriend women
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Another question can a man be friends with a really hot chick like a perfect 10.. I can't do it I tried they are just too fine for me. I can't stop thinking as about fucking them. It's painful to be around such women and trying to turn off your natural responses.


No matter how hot a woman is, another man is already sick of her shit. 💡
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that's true you right about that I had to learn that the hard way lol.
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