The wage gap is wider than you think...
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A new report by the Institute for Women’s Policy Research found that, for women who stay in the workforce, the pay gap is closer to the commonly cited statistic that women make a little less than 80% of what men do (women who worked all years between 2001 and 2015 made 33% less than men who did the same according to the report).
But that gap becomes a chasm when researchers look at women and men who have made some earnings over a 15-year period: Between 2001 and 2015, women earned 49% of what their male colleagues received during the same timespan. That ratio includes all workers who were out of the workforce for part of the 15 years; during the time they were not working, their earnings were set at $ 0 for the calculations.
But that gap becomes a chasm when researchers look at women and men who have made some earnings over a 15-year period: Between 2001 and 2015, women earned 49% of what their male colleagues received during the same timespan. That ratio includes all workers who were out of the workforce for part of the 15 years; during the time they were not working, their earnings were set at $ 0 for the calculations.
“Much ink has been spilled debating whether the commonly cited measure of the wage gap — that women earn 80 cents for every dollar earned by a man — is an exaggeration due to occupational differences or so-called ‘women’s choices,’ but our analysis finds that we have actually been underestimating the extent of pay inequality in the labor market,” IWPR President and report co-author Heidi Hartmann said in a statement.
The findings have dramatic implications in context: Women are the co-breadwinners for half of America’s families, and yet they can be excluded them from lucrative middle-skill industries and penalized for taking time off of work.
Both women and men who took one year off from the workforce saw an average annual earnings loss of 39% compared to their gender counterparts who worked full-time throughout the 15-year period. But perhaps because they still bear the brunt of childcare, “only 28% of women … worked persistently full-time, year-round between 2001 and 2015,” the report found. That’s compared to 59% of men.
Though the data may seem discouraging (and it should be — at current rates of growth, women won’t have equal pay until 2059), even 49 cents on the dollar is an improvement on past figures, and women’s average salaries are on the rise. Between 1968 and 1982, women made annual average earnings of $ 14,379, compared to men’s annual average earnings of $ 51,575. Between 2001 and 2015, women’s annual average earnings almost doubled to $ 28,683, while men’s dipped slightly to $ 50,442.
“The good news is that, over the course of the nearly 50 years covered in the study, women have seen considerable progress in the labor force by entering the workforce at higher rates and staying in the labor force for longer periods of time, which have led to higher earnings and a narrower wage gap,” said report co-author Stephen J. Rose.
Not only are more women entering and staying in the workforce, but they’re also more educated: There are millions more women attending college than men. And with prominent figures shining a light on the pay gap that affects almost all industries, perhaps it won’t take the full projected four decades for women to win equal pay for equal work.
The findings have dramatic implications in context: Women are the co-breadwinners for half of America’s families, and yet they can be excluded them from lucrative middle-skill industries and penalized for taking time off of work.
Both women and men who took one year off from the workforce saw an average annual earnings loss of 39% compared to their gender counterparts who worked full-time throughout the 15-year period. But perhaps because they still bear the brunt of childcare, “only 28% of women … worked persistently full-time, year-round between 2001 and 2015,” the report found. That’s compared to 59% of men.
Though the data may seem discouraging (and it should be — at current rates of growth, women won’t have equal pay until 2059), even 49 cents on the dollar is an improvement on past figures, and women’s average salaries are on the rise. Between 1968 and 1982, women made annual average earnings of $ 14,379, compared to men’s annual average earnings of $ 51,575. Between 2001 and 2015, women’s annual average earnings almost doubled to $ 28,683, while men’s dipped slightly to $ 50,442.
“The good news is that, over the course of the nearly 50 years covered in the study, women have seen considerable progress in the labor force by entering the workforce at higher rates and staying in the labor force for longer periods of time, which have led to higher earnings and a narrower wage gap,” said report co-author Stephen J. Rose.
Not only are more women entering and staying in the workforce, but they’re also more educated: There are millions more women attending college than men. And with prominent figures shining a light on the pay gap that affects almost all industries, perhaps it won’t take the full projected four decades for women to win equal pay for equal work.
Posted by MissKrabsNot gender war.
gender war for the friday night. i'm in.
the stats are for states? what do the rest of us have to hope for, sigh...
Facts.
Also its friday am here. Fuck I wish it was friday night.
Posted by MissKrabsYeah these stats don't really apply to me now. Some months I make more $ $ than the business owner.
lol west coast then?
i've been on the phone with my boss until now. about work ofc. he always whines how can't i work more since he has a kid too, and that wasn't such an issue. it's irrelevant that his wife makes his appointments to dentist, hairdresser, cleans, cooks and shit, probably wipes his ass too, and all he has to do is work. and i'm a single mother with the sole custody. really why can't i. kinda relevant to those stats idk. but he can't affect my salary or my position. so i'm good.
But in a previous job I found out that I was being paid much lower than men in the same position only I was at the company for longer than them.
Not cool.
Posted by GetbackinlineOh WOW
Negotiate pay better
Thanks
So smart
Never thought of this
Cause I'm a female and lack that extra appendage between my legs which makes me dumb.
Posted by LadyNeptuneIt may be factual but you know how a topic like this draws certain...people. But a good debate would be nice. Though I personally don't feel up for it right now.Posted by MissKrabsNot gender war.
gender war for the friday night. i'm in.
the stats are for states? what do the rest of us have to hope for, sigh...
Facts.click to expand
I do want to look into that reporting. There is definitely disparaties between gender wages but I wonder about those percentages and other variables.
The myth of the wage gap is wider than you think
Posted by FireStarterLol a good debate being a bunch of women patting themselves on the back? And 'certain people' being those calling said "certain variables" into question.
It may be factual but you know how a topic like this draws certain...people. But a good debate would be nice. Though I personally don't feel up for it right now.
If you're really interested in a debate do your homework. You don't even have to engage in a discussion
Posted by enfant_terribleThis isn't a debate.Posted by FireStarterLol a good debate being a bunch of women patting themselves on the back? And 'certain people' being those calling said "certain variables" into question.
It may be factual but you know how a topic like this draws certain...people. But a good debate would be nice. Though I personally don't feel up for it right now.
If you're really interested in a debate do your homework. You don't even have to engage in a discussionclick to expand
This is the powder room. Kindly see yourself out
Posted by enfant_terribleThanks for being the example to my statement. Bleh I'm too sleepy for this😴Posted by FireStarterLol a good debate being a bunch of women patting themselves on the back? And 'certain people' being those calling said "certain variables" into question.
It may be factual but you know how a topic like this draws certain...people. But a good debate would be nice. Though I personally don't feel up for it right now.
If you're really interested in a debate do your homework. You don't even have to engage in a discussionclick to expand
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by enfant_terribleThis isn't a debate.Posted by FireStarterLol a good debate being a bunch of women patting themselves on the back? And 'certain people' being those calling said "certain variables" into question.
It may be factual but you know how a topic like this draws certain...people. But a good debate would be nice. Though I personally don't feel up for it right now.
If you're really interested in a debate do your homework. You don't even have to engage in a discussion
This is the powder room. Kindly see yourself outclick to expand
No
Powder room is just another patriarchal structure to keep women in their place. We don't believe in Powder rooms !
https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/pay-gap-myth-ignores-womens-intentional-job-choices
"For starters, the data cited in the gender pay gap looks only at the median earnings of full-time wage and salaried workers. It doesn’t differentiate really important factors, such as education, occupation, experience, and hours, which account for nearly all of the differential in earnings between men and women.
If a woman has the exact same job title as a man, but works 30 hours a week instead of 40, and sets her own hours and telecommutes, her paycheck likely won’t match that of the man’s—nor should it.
One of the job qualities that women—particularly mothers—value most is flexibility. Flexibility is a difficult job feature to measure, [...]
Workers who seek these job characteristics often do so despite lower pay. But those intentional choices don’t show up in the statistics.
Anecdotal evidence and the choices women and men make suggest that women value job choices more than men and that their preference for greater flexibility accounts for some—if not all—of the remaining pay gap between men and women."
And that's barely scratching the surface of all the factors and variables involved & not taken into account in these "statistics".
"For starters, the data cited in the gender pay gap looks only at the median earnings of full-time wage and salaried workers. It doesn’t differentiate really important factors, such as education, occupation, experience, and hours, which account for nearly all of the differential in earnings between men and women.
If a woman has the exact same job title as a man, but works 30 hours a week instead of 40, and sets her own hours and telecommutes, her paycheck likely won’t match that of the man’s—nor should it.
One of the job qualities that women—particularly mothers—value most is flexibility. Flexibility is a difficult job feature to measure, [...]
Workers who seek these job characteristics often do so despite lower pay. But those intentional choices don’t show up in the statistics.
Anecdotal evidence and the choices women and men make suggest that women value job choices more than men and that their preference for greater flexibility accounts for some—if not all—of the remaining pay gap between men and women."
And that's barely scratching the surface of all the factors and variables involved & not taken into account in these "statistics".
Posted by BoringThe closest you’ll get is Iceland or FinlandPosted by MissKrabsThere is not a single country in the world in which gender equality is achieved.Posted by BoringPosted by MissKrabsGender war? What do you mean?
gender war for the friday night. i'm in.
the stats are for states? what do the rest of us have to hope for, sigh...
it was a joke for the States. probably a bad one. i have the same salary as my male bosses.click to expand
Posted by Getbackinlinere-read what I wrote ya dumb peenPosted by LadyNeptuneIt’s dumb to have penis? Seem smart if make more money than the woman doing same work. This why I say negotiation of pay is needed.Posted by GetbackinlineOh WOW
Negotiate pay better
Thanks
So smart
Never thought of this
Cause I'm a female and lack that extra appendage between my legs which makes me dumb.
click to expand
Posted by BoringI say Iceland because I’d read not too long ago that it was at the top of a list when they’d analysed statistical data to gauge the countries with the smallest gender inequality gap. I don’t know what data was taken in to account exactly but it definitely seemed to have been crowned as such.Posted by CoochiecoochiecooAll Nordic states have strong traditions in fighting gender inequality. In Swedish Parliament they don't even refer to "women" anymore but instead use "the opposite gender", as gender is a social construct.Posted by BoringThe closest you’ll get is Iceland or FinlandPosted by MissKrabsThere is not a single country in the world in which gender equality is achieved.Posted by BoringPosted by MissKrabsGender war? What do you mean?
gender war for the friday night. i'm in.
the stats are for states? what do the rest of us have to hope for, sigh...
it was a joke for the States. probably a bad one. i have the same salary as my male bosses.
Iceland is really not the best example out of the 5 Nordic states tho.click to expand
Why do you say it’s not the best example? Maybe there’s some facet where they fall short that’s not been taken in to account or has been trumped by another aspect?
Posted by Arielle83This study is based on US, not OZ
I make the exact same in my work and it’s male dominant.
The few women that work here get coddled or their way when they complain.
I don’t respect that.
I can do every job the guys can.
Even when strength is a factor.
Posted by enfant_terribleYou didn’t read through the study did you.
https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/pay-gap-myth-ignores-womens-intentional-job-choices
"For starters, the data cited in the gender pay gap looks only at the median earnings of full-time wage and salaried workers. It doesn’t differentiate really important factors, such as education, occupation, experience, and hours, which account for nearly all of the differential in earnings between men and women.
If a woman has the exact same job title as a man, but works 30 hours a week instead of 40, and sets her own hours and telecommutes, her paycheck likely won’t match that of the man’s—nor should it.
One of the job qualities that women—particularly mothers—value most is flexibility. Flexibility is a difficult job feature to measure, [...]
Workers who seek these job characteristics often do so despite lower pay. But those intentional choices don’t show up in the statistics.
Anecdotal evidence and the choices women and men make suggest that women value job choices more than men and that their preference for greater flexibility accounts for some—if not all—of the remaining pay gap between men and women."
And that's barely scratching the surface of all the factors and variables involved & not taken into account in these "statistics".
It takes into account all those variables and more.
Posted by MissKrabsPosted by CoochiecoochiecooPosted by BoringThe closest you’ll get is Iceland or Finland
There is not a single country in the world in which gender equality is achieved.
iceland it is.click to expand
Have they taken the variable of agreeableness into the correlation @LadyNeptune
Here's an idea, pick up welding.
It's 2018 not 1958. Why are you stuck in traditionally underpaid professions when you could be living the dream onboard an oil rig. It's not as flexible as coming and going as you please, but hey....
It's 2018 not 1958. Why are you stuck in traditionally underpaid professions when you could be living the dream onboard an oil rig. It's not as flexible as coming and going as you please, but hey....
Posted by BoringPosted by MissKrabsThere is not a single country in the world in which gender equality is achieved.Posted by BoringPosted by MissKrabsGender war? What do you mean?
gender war for the friday night. i'm in.
the stats are for states? what do the rest of us have to hope for, sigh...
it was a joke for the States. probably a bad one. i have the same salary as my male bosses.click to expand
I bet my country has gender equality achieved 😂 everyone here not working for the government gets pay the same shitty minimum wage, and considering the huge emigration rates, no surprise I have seen women in every position of power, from ministry of defense to vice president.
I just don't get the US part of gender inequality, what happens when a women ask for a rise?
Posted by Arielle83I work in a female dominated field and I make shit lol. I certainly don't make more than them , nor did I when I first started. Every paycheck is calculated down to every penny depending on where you are in your professional life, regardless of gender.
I make the exact same in my work and it’s male dominant.
The few women that work here get coddled or their way when they complain.
I don’t respect that.
I can do every job the guys can.
Even when strength is a factor.
Posted by LadyNeptuneIt cannot possibly take into account "all those" things because at some point, it would have to be narrowed down to pure guessing.Posted by enfant_terribleYou didn’t read through the study did you.
https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/pay-gap-myth-ignores-womens-intentional-job-choices
"For starters, the data cited in the gender pay gap looks only at the median earnings of full-time wage and salaried workers. It doesn’t differentiate really important factors, such as education, occupation, experience, and hours, which account for nearly all of the differential in earnings between men and women.
If a woman has the exact same job title as a man, but works 30 hours a week instead of 40, and sets her own hours and telecommutes, her paycheck likely won’t match that of the man’s—nor should it.
One of the job qualities that women—particularly mothers—value most is flexibility. Flexibility is a difficult job feature to measure, [...]
Workers who seek these job characteristics often do so despite lower pay. But those intentional choices don’t show up in the statistics.
Anecdotal evidence and the choices women and men make suggest that women value job choices more than men and that their preference for greater flexibility accounts for some—if not all—of the remaining pay gap between men and women."
And that's barely scratching the surface of all the factors and variables involved & not taken into account in these "statistics".
It takes into account all those statistics and more.click to expand
Posted by enfant_terribleStudy is based in US not Iceland.Posted by MissKrabsPosted by CoochiecoochiecooPosted by BoringThe closest you’ll get is Iceland or Finland
There is not a single country in the world in which gender equality is achieved.
iceland it is.
Have they taken the variable of agreeableness into the correlation @LadyNeptuneclick to expand
Still haven’t looked at it, huh.
Typical.
Posted by LadyNeptuneHoney I believe it says whatever you tell me it says. What am I suppose to do with it when there's as much reliable, contradicting information out there ?
Study is based in US not Iceland.
Still haven’t looked at it, huh.
Typical.
Posted by maidenThank you maiden & Jordan Peterson lol
He has also noticed men tend to be more reckless in general which involves more risk taking. This occasionally means higher losses but also means significantly higher gains (=more money made for the company) than women in the same position.
I know an Aries gal at my work who got a significant raise compared to others, and undeservably so if you ask around (but they're women so they'd rather be envious and gossip than grab the bull by his balls).. She didn't get it bc she's advanced places the rest of us haven't , there's isn't hell of a lot to advance to.. but she got it bc she's aggressive af. Could sell ice to eskimos
Posted by Arielle83Equivalent to what they call Mental health worker or Health care practitioner in the US i think? Don't know what the common name is in other places.Posted by enfant_terribleWhat kind of job?Posted by Arielle83I work in a female dominated field and I make shit lol. I certainly don't make more than them , nor did I when I first started. Every paycheck is calculated down to every penny depending on where you are in your professional life, regardless of gender.
I make the exact same in my work and it’s male dominant.
The few women that work here get coddled or their way when they complain.
I don’t respect that.
I can do every job the guys can.
Even when strength is a factor.click to expand
Not a RN though.
Posted by LadyNeptuneHe likes to skim readPosted by enfant_terribleYou didn’t read through the study did you.
https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/pay-gap-myth-ignores-womens-intentional-job-choices
"For starters, the data cited in the gender pay gap looks only at the median earnings of full-time wage and salaried workers. It doesn’t differentiate really important factors, such as education, occupation, experience, and hours, which account for nearly all of the differential in earnings between men and women.
If a woman has the exact same job title as a man, but works 30 hours a week instead of 40, and sets her own hours and telecommutes, her paycheck likely won’t match that of the man’s—nor should it.
One of the job qualities that women—particularly mothers—value most is flexibility. Flexibility is a difficult job feature to measure, [...]
Workers who seek these job characteristics often do so despite lower pay. But those intentional choices don’t show up in the statistics.
Anecdotal evidence and the choices women and men make suggest that women value job choices more than men and that their preference for greater flexibility accounts for some—if not all—of the remaining pay gap between men and women."
And that's barely scratching the surface of all the factors and variables involved & not taken into account in these "statistics".
It takes into account all those variables and more.click to expand
With his eyes closed
Posted by CoochiecoochiecooDoesn't really matter when you don't believe in unicorns, does it?
He likes to skim read
With his eyes closed
Posted by maidenNote how around the 1:20 mark she says "So you're saying don't even try?"I am watching the first video you had posted now.. I guess that is the reason for this thread here. That guy is pretty interesting..I'm halfway through it..already sent it to two people (including the friend
He then says "No I'm saying something much more specific than that"
But that never made it. Instead they cut to close-up of him being unusually unspecific for a man who carefully picks his words, they basically got him just repeating what he already said.
So what did they cut out? Journalism at it finest.
Posted by enfant_terribleDon’t come here talking shit on the study if you haven’t read the study, duh.Posted by LadyNeptuneHoney I believe it says whatever you tell me it says. What am I suppose to do with it when there's as much reliable, contradicting information out there ?
Study is based in US not Iceland.
Still haven’t looked at it, huh.
Typical.click to expand
Take your patronizing ‘honey’ with you when you exit.
Women who try to negotiate are often negatively viewed as ‘pushy’ and ‘demanding’.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Posted by Black-MambaWhere are you getting those numbers?
Ya'll telling me that WOMEN are so weak that they can't tell their boss they need a salary increase and get some pay as other men
maybe we don't deserve equality
when has anything ever been handed
ya'll do realize that 58% of men negotiate compared to 4% women
4%
that's wack
Posted by Black-MambaStatistically women and men make the same amount on entry level positions. However men move into higher level roles at significantly faster rates then women and are paid significantly more as well. That’s the true wage gap.Posted by LadyNeptuneBeing firm is not being aggressive.
Women who try to negotiate are often negatively viewed as ‘pushy’ and ‘demanding’.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
statistically those who negotiate a better salary generally always get itclick to expand
Lack of negotiation skills doesn’t account for that gap.
Posted by maidenSo you don’t negotiate at all. How would you know then...?Posted by LadyNeptuneDisagree.
Women who try to negotiate are often negatively viewed as ‘pushy’ and ‘demanding’.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
If you're pushing or demanding you're not negotiating. So if you're coming across that way, you're not negotiating well.
That's the opposite extreme of my problem. My problem is I don't perceive that I've got any leverage even if I do.
I even have a hard time charging tattoo customers for work when they're super excited about it and all I have to do is give them a number. It's terrible.click to expand
Read the link on the top of the first page. Read the study.
That’s what I’m referring too.
Posted by Black-MambaWhere did they get their study from?Posted by LadyNeptuneI went to a talk on negotiations and the data presented was dastardlyPosted by Black-MambaWhere are you getting those numbers?
Ya'll telling me that WOMEN are so weak that they can't tell their boss they need a salary increase and get some pay as other men
maybe we don't deserve equality
when has anything ever been handed
ya'll do realize that 58% of men negotiate compared to 4% women
4%
that's wackclick to expand
How many people and length?
Posted by Black-MambaIf you don’t know the origins of the data how can you call it fact.Posted by LadyNeptunewomen rarely negotiate though this is fact.Posted by GetbackinlineOh WOW
Negotiate pay better
Thanks
So smart
Never thought of this
Cause I'm a female and lack that extra appendage between my legs which makes me dumb.click to expand
Did you pay for this seminar?
It bothers me a lot. I read about it and tried to discuss it with men. Not one of them, even the most sensible ones, managed to at least try to understand how wrong that is and that it actually happens. I gave up. Men protect themselves, subconciously and consciously, it's been like that forever. I hate injustice, Im still stunned and cannot believe some of the answers I got as to why it is so, why men have bigger wages.
Now that I think of it, the reason I gave up is because Im still in shock from some of the answers.
Now that I think of it, the reason I gave up is because Im still in shock from some of the answers.
Posted by maidenLol yes plz do and post your assessment for those of us who don't read unicorn.
Now do I want to continue to read 29 more pages of this....? Should I?
Posted by Black-MambaIf being understanding and helpful, and not to think that someone will use it in a bad way, then women did allow it, yes.Posted by FeelingGeminiThis is true, but women allow it. So...yet again whats up with the victimhood
It bothers me a lot. I read about it and tried to discuss it with men. Not one of them, even the most sensible ones, managed to at least try to understand how wrong that is and that it actually happens. I gave up. Men protect themselves, subconciously and consciously, it's been like that forever. I hate injustice, Im still stunned and cannot believe some of the answers I got as to why it is so, why men have bigger wages.
Now that I think of it, the reason I gave up is because Im still in shock from some of the answers.
we have women here who are saying "negotiating" is bad cause it makes women look aggressive
im sorry but that's what is keeping us behind...
there's laws against bias.click to expand
Honestly, to me, in this moment, it's a lost war. Damn if you react, damn if you don't. You will be accused of being feminist, or to be a victim. But you will be accused, not understood.
The world is not built on a healthy basis regarding gender rights, so things like this will happen till there's life on Earth.
It goes deep into psychology of why men stick together, and women stick for their men, against other women. There are many things under, and I just don't think anything will change. Some minor adjustements (to keep everyone happy), yes, but nothing fundamental.
Posted by LadyNeptuneAnd men are more successful because they don't care or reflect as much about how they are viewed.
Women who try to negotiate are often negatively viewed as ‘pushy’ and ‘demanding’.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Posted by FeelingGeminiYour problem is that you expect a certain type or group of people to stop in their tracks to accomodate you and your lack of drive or aggression, to give you their spot... instead of you putting yourself out there in the competition and fighting as hard as anyone else. Life is not charity.
Honestly, to me, in this moment, it's a lost war. Damn if you react, damn if you don't. You will be accused of being feminist, or to be a victim. But you will be accused, not understood.
The world is not built on a healthy basis regarding gender rights, so things like this will happen till there's life on Earth.
It goes deep into psychology of why men stick together, and women stick for their men, against other women. There are many things under, and I just don't think anything will change. Some minor adjustements (to keep everyone happy), yes, but nothing fundamental.
“Men and women won’t sort themselves into the same categories if you leave them alone to do it of their own accord. We’ve already seen that in Scandinavia. It’s 20 to one female nurses to male… and approximately the same male engineers to female engineers,”
“That’s a consequence of the free choice of men and women in the societies that have gone farther than any other societies to make gender equality the purpose of the law. Those are in ineradicable differences. You can eradicate them with tremendous social pressure and tyranny. But if you leave men and women to make their own choices you will not get equal outcome.”
- The Jordan Peterson Channel 4 interview.
“That’s a consequence of the free choice of men and women in the societies that have gone farther than any other societies to make gender equality the purpose of the law. Those are in ineradicable differences. You can eradicate them with tremendous social pressure and tyranny. But if you leave men and women to make their own choices you will not get equal outcome.”
- The Jordan Peterson Channel 4 interview.
And as someone pointed out, add to the fact that female-dominated professions include childcare, teaching nursing - all paid overwhelming by TAXPAYERS, while male-oriented jobs such as IT, finance, etc. are paid for by CUSTOMERS.
Now what's that tell you?
Now what's that tell you?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/11/28/18116388/gender-pay-gap-real-equal
So I've not read the entire report by IWPR but here is vox's report highlighting one of the major issues in the pay gap.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/money/5225986/equal-pay-day-2018-gender-wage-gap Time's reporting
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1728870002 USA Today
https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/wage-gap-gender-data-top-us-cities-2018-4
Now most of these articles are basing reporting on the original report in this topic. But that is not their only sourcing.
Unlike some I'm not going to make a statement on the specifics of the IWPR report without reading it in its entirety. But there is inequality between the genders(in some cases race as well) when it comes to wages. To not acknowledge this is absurd. And if it wasn't clear the above pertains to the US only.
So I've not read the entire report by IWPR but here is vox's report highlighting one of the major issues in the pay gap.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/money/5225986/equal-pay-day-2018-gender-wage-gap Time's reporting
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1728870002 USA Today
https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/wage-gap-gender-data-top-us-cities-2018-4
Now most of these articles are basing reporting on the original report in this topic. But that is not their only sourcing.
Unlike some I'm not going to make a statement on the specifics of the IWPR report without reading it in its entirety. But there is inequality between the genders(in some cases race as well) when it comes to wages. To not acknowledge this is absurd. And if it wasn't clear the above pertains to the US only.
Posted by Black-MambaLol it's not obvious to everyone who responded in this topic.Posted by FireStarterobviously there is, but percentages is where the question comes into play
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/11/28/18116388/gender-pay-gap-real-equal
So I've not read the entire report by IWPR but here is vox's report highlighting one of the major issues in the pay gap.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/money/5225986/equal-pay-day-2018-gender-wage-gap Time's reporting
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1728870002 USA Today
https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/wage-gap-gender-data-top-us-cities-2018-4
Now most of these articles are basing reporting on the original report in this topic. But that is not their only sourcing.
Unlike some I'm not going to make a statement on the specifics of the IWPR report without reading it in its entirety. But there is inequality between the genders(in some cases race as well) when it comes to wages. To not acknowledge this is absurd. And if it wasn't clear the above pertains to the US only.click to expand
But regardless of percentage it still shouldn't happen if every other factor besides gender or race is the same between men and women.
We need to change the way we work in general. It's funny, how are we one of the richest countries in the world but have such a higher rate of unemployment? How can we be one of the most if not the most overworked country in the world(in terms of time working and time off, schedule) yet have so many people struggling to just survive...
It's ridiculous and we can't even manage equal pay.
Posted by Black-MambaActually Boring is correct here. Gender and gender roles are defined by culture and society. In some tribal cultures there were and still are, individuals who were/are seen as both genders or neither.Posted by Boringyeah different tribes in far flung parts of the world constructed the same gender roles and qualitiesPosted by Black-MambaSex is a biological attribution. Gender and the roles and qualities attached to each gender are entirely socially constructed.Posted by BoringThats dumbPosted by CoochiecoochiecooAll Nordic states have strong traditions in fighting gender inequality. In Swedish Parliament they don't even refer to "women" anymore but instead use "the opposite gender", as gender is a social construct.Posted by BoringThe closest you’ll get is Iceland or FinlandPosted by MissKrabsThere is not a single country in the world in which gender equality is achieved.Posted by BoringPosted by MissKrabsGender war? What do you mean?
gender war for the friday night. i'm in.
the stats are for states? what do the rest of us have to hope for, sigh...
it was a joke for the States. probably a bad one. i have the same salary as my male bosses.
Iceland is really not the best example out of the 5 Nordic states tho.
Gender is a biological construct
yeah sure
i swear Westernersclick to expand
Posted by Black-MambaMore than 2, Google it. Many Native tribes have such individuals in the culture. Gender is how we identify ourselves. Gender roles and stereotypes are how a society may define what gender means. Example in the past gender roles for women were centered around taking care of a family. Education and a job were for men. Our society has changed that role. It has nothing to do with sex.Posted by FireStarterin what area of the world! 2 tribes?Posted by Black-MambaActually Boring is correct here. Gender and gender roles are defined by culture and society. In some tribal cultures there were and still are, individuals who were/are seen as both genders or neither.Posted by Boringyeah different tribes in far flung parts of the world constructed the same gender roles and qualitiesPosted by Black-MambaSex is a biological attribution. Gender and the roles and qualities attached to each gender are entirely socially constructed.Posted by BoringThats dumbPosted by CoochiecoochiecooAll Nordic states have strong traditions in fighting gender inequality. In Swedish Parliament they don't even refer to "women" anymore but instead use "the opposite gender", as gender is a social construct.Posted by BoringThe closest you’ll get is Iceland or FinlandPosted by MissKrabsThere is not a single country in the world in which gender equality is achieved.Posted by BoringPosted by MissKrabsGender war? What do you mean?
gender war for the friday night. i'm in.
the stats are for states? what do the rest of us have to hope for, sigh...
it was a joke for the States. probably a bad one. i have the same salary as my male bosses.
Iceland is really not the best example out of the 5 Nordic states tho.
Gender is a biological construct
yeah sure
i swear Westerners
the majority of humanity chose gender roles, for a reason, mostly a biological reasonclick to expand
Now this does not mean that gender isn't real nor that their aren't difference between genders, or that it isn't something that is influenced by personality. But that gender doesn't mean: he had a penis so he has to do this and vice versa.
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